NY Mosque Versus Reverend Dan & the Rest of Logan’s Warning Infidel Team!

Hello infidel team! We have been paid another visit from Masjid Bellmore out of NY. When we last left off Reverend Dan had asked them 10 questions. (Listed below). As you will see, many were not clearly answered and others ignored. The IslamoCON was in full effect!

Reverend Dan on September 11, 2011 at 11:15 am : “Jaam’e Masjid Bellmore, NY you write – “For American Muslims, post 9/11 gave rise to Islamophobia, suspicion, interrogation, harassment, hate crime, and political and religious figures peddling anti-Islamic rhetoric; in many ways, the whole community felt excluded of American society.”

1. Do you deny Sharia?

2. Do you accept Israel’s right to exist?

3. Do you accept The Holy Trinity?

4. Do you deny the right of Muslims to own slaves and sex slaves?

5. Do you deny the right of Muslims to have child Brides?

6. Do you deny the right of Muslims to beat their wives?

7. Do you allow Muslim women the same freedoms as a man?

8. Do you denounce honor killings?

9. Do you agree its rape if a Muslim man takes his wife forcibly?

10. Do you agree to accept and defend the Constitution of The United States of America?

I eagerly await your answers.

From Jaam’e Masjid Bellmore:

In the name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful.

1. Anti-Sharia agenda infused with hate, ignorance and Islamophobia intent on dehumanizing an entire religious community

You dropping the talking points “hate”, “ignorance”, and “Islamophobia” does not refute a thing. Islamic Law calls for the dominance over non-Muslims, so there is no reason we should like it. Using your “logic”, Jews who spoke out against Nazism were suffering from “Naziophobia”. Your tactics may work with others, but they fail here.

The “Sharia threat” argument is based on an extreme type of scripturalism where one pulls out verses from a sacred text and argues that believers will behave according to that text. But this argument ignores how believers themselves understand and interpret that text over time.

As I said Islamic Law call for the dominance over non-Muslims, and The Reliance of the Traveller, A Classic Manual of Islamic Sacred Law clearly states this. This manual has the stamp of approval of Egypt’s Al-Azhar, the world’s highest Islamic learning school. It was writen by 14th-century scholar Shihabuddin Abu al-‘Abbas Ahmad ibn an-Naqib al-Misri, and its latest printing was in 1994. Also, from the following example we can see that Islamic Law has called for the dominance over Christians for almost 1400 years.

The Christians of Najran, Medina, refused conversion to Islam in 631 A.D. and offered Mohamad to maintain their faith, accept the dominance of Muslims and pay an annual tribute (the jizya), he accepted and the pact was sealed between them.

What was that you said about things changing? Now pay attention, we don’t want to live under Sharia. Is that clear enough for you?

The equivalent would be saying that Jews stone disobedient sons to death (Deut. 21:18-21) or that Christians slay all non-Christians (Luke 19:27). In a more secular context it is similar to arguing that the use of printed money in America is unconstitutional; ignoring the interpretative process of the Supreme Court. There is ZERO threat of Sharia Law undermining our Constitution

Christians and Jews are not on worldwide campaigns looking to impose a barbaric set of laws on all. Muslims are, whether non-Muslims like it or not.

You really need to pay more attention to this site. Do you actually think we will just blindly believe anything you say? Sharia has already been used in US Courts, Muslims enclaves are forming, and Muslims in America are calling for Sharia. Don’t come here with the lies. I will expose them over and over.

BTW, you have clearly not answered his question. It was a simple yes or no question. Do you condemn Sharia or not?

2. Christians and Jews lived peacefully with Muslims throughout centuries in the Middle East and other Asian and African countries. The second Caliph Umar did not pray in the church in Jerusalem so as not to give the Muslims an excuse to take it over. Christians entrusted the Muslims, and as such the key of the Church in Jerusalem is still in the hands of the Muslims.

Christians and Jews have suffered in Islamic countries for centuries.

Then there is this….

Muslim Hadith Book 019, Number 4366:
It has been narrated by ‘Umar b. al-Khattib that he heard the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) say: I will expel the Jews and Christians from the Arabian Peninsula and will not leave any but Muslim.

Why did you fail to mention that hadith?

Jews fled from Spain during the Inquisition, and they were welcomed by the Muslims. They settled in the heart of the Islamic Caliphate. They enjoyed positions of power and authority.

Here are a few other things you failed to mention:

However, so that they would be encouraged to convert to Islam, they were to be made “uncomfortable” in a variety of ways, known as the Covenant of Omar (“till they pay the tribute readily, offered on the back of their hands, in a state of humiliation” sura 9:29)). These included special additional taxes (jiziya poll tax and haradj produce tax), the wearing of distinctive yellow clothes and prohibition of riding horses or wearing swords, etc. They were to always hold a position inferior to the Moslem, could never be in a position of commanding a Moslem and were to be generally scorned.

Back to the Mosque:

Throughout the Muslim world, churches, synagogues and missionary schools were built within the Muslim neighborhoods. These places were protected by Muslims even during the contemporary crises in the Middle East.

Throughout the Muslim world, Churches and other houses of worship have been destroyed. Let’s go to Saudi Arabia together and apply to build a Church…..

Just like with question #1, you have ducked answering question #2 head on.

3. “Surely, disbelievers are those who said: “Allâh is the third of the three (in a Trinity).” But there is no Allah (none who has the right to be worshipped) but One Allah. And if they cease not from what they say, verily, a painful torment will befall on the disbelievers among them” (Quran Al-Maeda, 5:73)

I am quite sure Reverend Dan is not concerned with that quote. Unlike you our minds are not enslaved by Islam. We will believe and say what we want.

4-9: Islam allows woman, whether single or married, as an individual in her own right, with the right to own and dispose of her property and earnings without any guardianship over her (whether that be her father, husband, or anyone else). She has the right to buy and sell, give gifts and charity, and may spend her money as she pleases. A marriage dowry is given by the groom to the bride for her own personal use, and she keeps her own family name rather than taking her husband’s. Islam encourages the husband to treat his wife well, as the Prophet Muhammad (peace upon him) said: {The best among you are those who are best to their wives.}

Under Islam women have less rights than men. In court testimony is one example.

Regarding, beating of women, child brides, sex slaves, honor killings have nothing to do Islam. Many of such customs, traditions and rituals are unfortunately carried out even in these modern times are part of culture and tradition that existed since the pre-Islamic era and practiced by Muslim and non-Muslims. There are daily 100s of cases of women being abused, raped, trafficked, and beaten even in the most, so-called, civil and modern societies/countries including North America and Europe. These are Global issues NOT purely an Islamic problem.

More: http://womeninislam.ws/en/
http://www.islam-guide.com/ch3-13-1.htm
http://www.beconvinced.com/archive/en/article.php?articleid=0123&catid=10&subcatname=Woman%20In%20Islam

Islam does allow the beating of women.

{ ٱلرِّجَالُ قَوَّٰمُونَ عَلَى ٱلنِّسَآءِ بِمَا فَضَّلَ ٱللَّهُ بَعْضَهُمْ عَلَىٰ بَعْضٍ وَبِمَآ أَنْفَقُواْ مِنْ أَمْوَٰلِهِمْ فَٱلصَّٰلِحَٰتُ قَٰنِتَٰتٌ حَٰفِظَٰتٌ لِّلْغَيْبِ بِمَا حَفِظَ ٱللَّهُ وَٱلَّٰتِي تَخَافُونَ نُشُوزَهُنَّ فَعِظُوهُنَّ وَٱهْجُرُوهُنَّ فِي ٱلْمَضَاجِعِ وَٱضْرِبُوهُنَّ فَإِنْ أَطَعْنَكُمْ فَلاَ تَبْغُواْ عَلَيْهِنَّ سَبِيلاً إِنَّ ٱللَّهَ كَانَ عَلِيّاً كَبِيراً }

Men are in charge of, they have authority over, women, disciplining them and keeping them in check, because of that with which God has preferred the one over the other, that is, because God has given them the advantage over women, in knowledge, reason, authority and otherwise, and because of what they expend, on them [the women], of their property. Therefore righteous women, among them, are obedient, to their husbands, guarding in the unseen, that is, [guarding] their private parts and otherwise during their spouses’ absence, because of what God has guarded, for them, when He enjoined their male spouses to look after them well. And those you fear may be rebellious, disobedient to you, when such signs appear, admonish them, make them fear God, and share not beds with them, retire to other beds if they manifest such disobedience, and strike them, but not violently, if they refuse to desist [from their rebellion] after leaving them [in separate beds]. If they then obey you, in what is desired from them, do not seek a way against them, a reason to strike them unjustly. God is ever High, Great, so beware of Him, lest He punish you for treating them unjustly.

Islam does allow child brides. Don’t you remember? Your hero Mohammad took one.

Volume 5, Book 58, Number 236:
Narrated Hisham’s father:

Khadija died three years before the Prophet departed to Medina. He stayed there for two years or so and then he married ‘Aisha when she was a girl of six years of age, and he consumed that marriage when she was nine years old.

To make matters worse, the Koran states the actions of Mohammad are to be followed for all times.

Koran verse 033.021
YUSUFALI: Ye have indeed in the Messenger of Allah a beautiful pattern (of conduct) for any one whose hope is in Allah and the Final Day, and who engages much in the Praise of Allah.

What was that about no child brides?

Islam does allow sex slaves. Either you have never read the Koran, or you are just another lying Muslim. Because your argument is paper thin!

Koran verse 033.050
YUSUFALI: O Prophet! We have made lawful to thee thy wives to whom thou hast paid their dowers; and those whom thy right hand possesses out of the prisoners of war whom Allah has assigned to thee; and daughters of thy paternal uncles and aunts, and daughters of thy maternal uncles and aunts, who migrated (from Makka) with thee; and any believing woman who dedicates her soul to the Prophet if the Prophet wishes to wed her;- this only for thee, and not for the Believers (at large); We know what We have appointed for them as to their wives and the captives whom their right hands possess;- in order that there should be no difficulty for thee. And Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.

Under Islam a person can be killed for “spreading mischief in the land”. It is called fasad and “mischief” can be just about anything.

Yes, unfortunately sometimes those actions are practiced in the West, but at least they are NOT legal!

I see you have now ducked #9, under Islam a man can have sex with his wife whenever he wants to, even if she does not want to. That is martial rape. Guess you do not condemn it. Is that OK for your when your daughter (if you have one) gets married?

Koran 002.223
YUSUFALI: Your wives are as a tilth unto you; so approach your tilth when or how ye will; but do some good act for your souls beforehand; and fear Allah. And know that ye are to meet Him (in the Hereafter), and give (these) good tidings to those who believe.

10. The Holy Prophet, may peace and Allah’s blessings be upon him, stressed this point when he said: “One who obeys his authority, obeys me. One who disobeys his authority, disobeys me.”

It is necessary upon a Muslim to listen to and obey the ruler, as long as one is not ordered to carry out a sin. If he is commanded to commit a sin, then there is no adherence and obedience. (Sahih al-Bukhari, no. 2796 & Sunan Tirmizi).
Reverend Dan, Thank you for your questions.

That Hadith is about being in a Sharia ruled state. The most important question the Reverend asked you was if you condemn Sharia Law. You have talked and talked, but have not answered. Once again you have failed on Logan’s Warning!

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