Logan’s Warning Takedown of Ahmayoh’s bro ~ Debate Part l

Yesterday I woke up to some more Logan’s Warning fan mail. The email was an incredibly poor attempt to refute some of the points I make on Islam. Apparently Ahmayoh’s bro (AB)(UK) believes that the word “refute” means to misrepresent me and blatantly lie. That comes as no surprise though, as his hero Mohammad said it was OK for Muslims to lie.

Proof of the email:

AB: I have seen you on YT going around and attacking Islam so it is about time you get refuted,

1st argument:
You say that the Qur’an verse 5:32 advocates for the killing of non-Muslims and that they can be killed for disbelief according to Ibn Kathir. However, scholars like Ibn Qayyim (that’s right Ibn Qayyim, a scholar far greater than Ibn Kathir) himself have criticised Ibn Kathir’s interpretation of the verse and said that Ibn Kathir’s interpretation has no evidence from the Qur’an or Sunnah or Authentic Ahadith to support it and is therefore invalid and incorrect. 

Koran 5:32

Yusuf Ali: On that account: We ordained for the Children of Israel that if any one slew a person – unless it be for murder or for spreading mischief in the land – it would be as if he slew the whole people: and if any one saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of the whole people. Then although there came to them Our messengers with clear signs, yet, even after that, many of them continued to commit excesses in the land.

Apparently AB doesn’t know what the word “mischief” means either.

As you can see mischief can be defined as most anything. The concept is called fasad. Which is basically a license to kill, as proven here. No thanks. No non-Muslim should have to live under that threat.

Notice how AB makes a claim about Ibn Qayyim, but does not substantiate it.

Argument 1 fail.

AB: 2nd argument:
You mention Qur’an 9:23, 9:33 and 9:29 (not forgetting 9:5) in order to support your claim that Islam is war-like etc. However, for Qur’an 9:23, it refers to war and so it means that you shouldn’t side with the disbelievers as this verse was revealed when the disbelievers conspired and tried eliminating Islam. It does not mean that you should not be friends with them in everyday life. 

Koran 9:23

Arberry: O believers, take not your fathers and brothers to be your friends, if they prefer unbelief to belief; whosoever of you takes them for friends, those — they are the evildoers.

LW: Actually 9:23 says what I claimed it does. Don’t take your fathers or brothers as friends if they are non-Muslims.

Further proven in Koran 5:51. as per Tasfir (scholarly interpretation and explanation of the Koran.) al – Jalalayn.

Even further proven in Koran 9:23, as per Tafsir Ibn Kathir.

AB: For Qur’an 9:29, the verse reads as ”Fight those who do not believe in the Last Day or Allah and his Messenger and fight until they pay the Jizya willingly”. However, you have committed the logical fallacy of ”equivocation”. There are many interpretations including physically fighting or by having debates and doing Da’wah and calling people to Islam.

LW: The truth is that I didn’t commit any fallacy because you just admitted that Muslims can wage war upon non-Muslims in order to enforce Islamic rule. Which is what the verse is about. The Battle of Hunyan. Thanks for the backup.

AB: For Qur’an 9:5, the verse says that you can only fight the disbelievers once the sacred months have passed and to ambush and kill them wherever you find them. However, we need to look at this contextually. The Muslims were vilified, tortured, killed and backstabbed by the Non-Muslims in Arabia at the time. Due to this occurring during the sacred months, they were forbidden from getting revenge. The Muslims thought that they would never be able to get revenge until this verse was revealed saying that they could do so once the Sacred Months had passed.

LW: Actually I didn’t even mention verse 9:5. So don’t misrepresent me. As for the verse though…..how “reassuring”. Here is a clue….don’t try to take over and others will not push back.

AB: For Qur’an 9:33, it says that the Muslims should fight until Islam manifests itself above all other religions. Like Qur’an 9:33, there are multiple interpretations and you are again committing the fallacy of equivocation. It could be interpreted as physically fighting or by giving Da’wah. 

LW: Again, you admit that I right by saying that Muslims can wage upon non-Muslims in order to enforce Islamic rule. Try it, America awaits you.

Argument 2 fail.

AB: 3rd argument:
You say that Muhammad (peace be upon him) was a paedophile and child molester among other things. However, it was part of the social norms in Arabia at the time to marry a child as a child was viewed as an adult once they hit puberty. In order to keep in line with social norms, Muhammad (peace be upon him) married Aisha and the Qur’an was revealed when this practice was socially acceptable. World views are subjective and change as time passes. Something viewed as strange today may be fine for people in the past and vice versa. 

LW: My two main points are that Muslims believe that Mohammad was the perfect example for mankind to follow.

Koran 33:21

Yusuf Ali: Ye have indeed in the Messenger of Allah a beautiful pattern (of conduct) for any one whose hope is in Allah and the Final Day, and who engages much in the Praise of Allah.

LW: The second point being that Islam still allows child marriages. As proven in the following video.

AB: You might also call Muhammad (peace be upon him) a sex maniac. You are going to refer to a Hadith where it says that Muhammad (peace be upon him) saw his adopted son’s wife naked and fell in love with her. However, that narration comes from Al – Kalbi  who is a fabricator and liar when it comes to narrating Ahadith.  Al Kalbi himself has said not to take Ahadith from him as he knew they were all fabrications. You may also refer to the Hadith where it mentions 72 women being given for the men in Paradise. However, that Hadith is also weak and as a result cannot be trusted. 

LW: What I prove is that Mohammad was a pervert. No I am not going to refer to that hadith, so don’t lie as Mohammad instructed you to. I am referring to Koran 33:37.

Shakir: And when you said to him to whom Allah had shown favor and to whom you had shown a favor: Keep your wife to yourself and be careful of (your duty to) Allah; and you concealed in your soul what Allah would bring to light, and you feared men, and Allah had a greater right that you should fear Him. But when Zaid had accomplished his want of her, We gave her to you as a wife, so that there should be no difficulty for the believers in respect of the wives of their adopted sons, when they have accomplished their want of them; and Allah’s command shall be performed.

For those who do not know, the verse shows that Mohammad married who was his daughter-in-law. Normal people have a problem with that. Yes, he was a sick pervert. Ahmayoh’s bro hero though.

Notice how AB makes a claim about Al – Kalbi, but does not substantiate it. Does anyone else see a pattern here?

Argument 3 failure.

Stay tuned for Part ll, AKA, Ahmayoh Takes a Stand for Slavery.

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