Pope Francis Calls for Dialogue With Islam….

ca_200811_01_photo_BrokenCrossWell it certainly has not taken long for the newly elected Pope to bow down to Islam. Because unless he is going to tell Muslims their religion is a threat to Christians and Western Civilization, dialogue with Muslims will just lead to more appeasement of IslamConsidering he has been protective of Mohammad in the past, it will be the latter.

Pope urges dialogue with Islam, more help for the poor

VATICAN CITY (Reuters) – Pope Francis urged the West on Friday to intensify dialogue with Islam and appealed to the world to do more to combat poverty and protect the environment.

Speaking in Italian, the new pontiff said richer countries should fight what he called “the spiritual poverty of our times” by re-forging links with God.

SNIP

“In this work (peace building), the role of religion is fundamental. It is not possible to build bridges between people while forgetting God,” he said.

The only bridge that will be built if Islam is not fought, is the one that non-Muslims will use as Muslims drive them out of their homelands!

Did the Pope miss the following hadith?

Muslim Hadith Book 019, Number 4366: It has been narrated by ‘Umar b. al-Khattib that he heard the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) say: I will expel the Jews and Christians from the Arabian Peninsula and will not leave any but Muslim.

Back to the Pope:

“But the converse is also true: it is not possible to establish true links with God while ignoring other people. Hence it is important to intensify dialogue among the various religions, and I am thinking particularly of dialogue with Islam.”

Francis, the former Cardinal Jorge Mario Bergoglio of Argentina, said he was grateful that many Muslim religious and civilian leaders attended his inaugural Mass on Tuesday.

Which God would that be, the one of Christianity? Or the one of Islam who hates non-Muslims?

Koran verse 8:55 { إِنَّ شَرَّ ٱلدَّوَابِّ عِندَ ٱللَّهِ ٱلَّذِينَ كَفَرُواْ فَهُمْ لاَ يُؤْمِنُونَ }

The following was revealed regarding [Banū] Qurayza: Surely the worst of beasts in God’s sight are the ungrateful who will not believe,

DIALOGUE, NOT RIVALRY

Dialogue, he said, “should help to build bridges connecting all people, in such a way that everyone can see in the other not an enemy, not a rival, but a brother or sister.”

Does the Pope not have knowledge of Islam? That I find hard to believe, so does he think Islam will be reform? Is he in denial, or does he just not care about saving the Church from an Islamic onslaught? What is your opinion??

 

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nilk
nilk
9 years ago

I think the jury is still out on the new Pope, and he will surprise people.

He has already surprised me, several times, and I honestly can’t predict his behaviour at all. I do suspect he will have a lot stronger grasp on things, particularly when compared with JP2’s frailty towards the end, and Benedict’s stepping aside.

There is so much going on within the Catholic Church at the moment that it’s anybody’s guess what’s on Pope Francis’ mind.

Don’t get me wrong, as a Catholic I’d love for him to call a Crusade, but I don’t think he will just yet.

neshrim
neshrim
9 years ago
Reply to  admin

Not fully correct what you say, there is always reasons!

Herman
Herman
9 years ago
Reply to  admin

I don’t know how much history Christians need to learn about to figure out that islam is NOT peaceful and dialogue to muslims is just a sign of weakness to even fight harder for their god, who apparently is too weak to fight for him/her/itself!!

kope
kope
9 years ago

nilk

There is so much going on within the Catholic Church at the moment that it’s anybody’s guess what’s on Pope Francis’ mind. ………………

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Tommy Hunt
9 years ago
Reply to  kope

The man’s a fool to think that dialogue with Islam will bear fruit that won’t rot the ground it lands on. What it WILL do is advance Allah’s Cause and we all know what Allah’s Cause is now don’t we.

kope
kope
9 years ago
Reply to  admin

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Tommy Hunt
9 years ago
Reply to  kope

Hey Kope: go find a toilet to crawl into and die – we’ll flush.

Herman
Herman
9 years ago
Reply to  kope

The only reason why there is ‘so much going on’ is that every little thing in the Catholic Church gets blown out of proportion by our libtard, islam-appeasing press, who are consistent in their hatred towards anything Christian and appeasing beyond belief towards all muslim crimes!

diane
9 years ago

I BELIEVE THE POPE WILL ATTEMPTE A PEACEFULL RECONCILLIATION. THE RESULTS WILL DECIDE THE NEXT STEP

Tommy Hunt
9 years ago
Reply to  diane

There is no reconciliation with Islam. Islam is incompatible with Western culture and law.

Michael C
Michael C
9 years ago

One of the “richer countries”, Saudi Arabia, is fighting “the spiritual poverty of our times” and “re-forging links with God” by spending billions building hostile mosques in USA and Europe. Let the pontiff exhort the Saudis and Qataris to spend their charity on impoverished Bangladesh and Pakistan and other third world Islamic tips. They won’t, of course: Islam has a miserable record of constructive help to others, whose misfortune is treated as the “Will of Allah”.

The pontiff needs to be made aware that Islamic law declares there are no “other religions” with which to have dialogue, only “remnant cults now bearing the names of formerly valid religions like “Christianity” and “Judaism” ”, and which are not “acceptable to Allah” (Manual of Islamic Law w4.1(2)). The Islamic smooth talkers know this: their “interfaith dialogue” is either dawa, proselytising for Islam, or Time-Wasting Jihad, deliberately tying up management time to no effect.

Islam most certainly does NOT allow that “everyone can see in the other not an enemy”. The Koran, “true from eternity to eternity” (Sam Solomon, former professor of Sharia Law) declares “Strongest among men in enmity to the believers wilt thou find the Jews and Pagans” (5:82). “Allah is the enemy of the unbelievers” (2:98), who are therefore enemies of all muslims. Allah “does not love the unbelievers” (30:45), so therefore neither can muslims. Denying any verse in the Koran brings the death penalty (Manual o8.7(7)). It is watertight proof against dialogue.

The Pope is very probably unaware of this. He has more than likely been advised by imams diligently employing “Taqiyya”, Islam’s “Permissible Lying” (Manual r8.2). There is no peaceful reconciliation available: Koran 8:39 instructs war and killing until Islam is the ONLY governance. The Koran is not optional: it is part of Sharia Law. As Sayeed Qutb, co-founder of the Muslim Brotherhood, said, “Peace is when the whole world is muslim”.

erna
erna
9 years ago

Jamal, you should call yourself Princess and not Diane. She was a pagan-godess. You wouldn’d want that; would you, it would pollute you. As for the Pope. Perhaps it is too early to assess the true nature of his Papacy. However, one cannot be yoked unequally together. Such a one is unstable in all his ways.Could he be the new leader of Chrislam, or the last Pope Peter. Time will tell, and time we have not, to save our civilization. The Polticians, Media! Intelligenzia and even the Looney Left have to rise up from their stupor and save their country for their future generations.

Robin Shadowes
Robin Shadowes
9 years ago
Reply to  erna

Accordimg to Nostradamus scholarJohn Hogue, one of his real names are either Pietro or Piedro, I don’t remember which spelling which was correct. Anyhow, it is the latin form of Peter which was the point.

Michael C
Michael C
9 years ago

“There is no such thing as a Christian religion.”

Thus speaks Islamic Cleric Hisham el-Ashri, founder of Egypt’s Committee for the Promotion of Virtue and Prevention of Vice. http://www.JihadWatch.com 3 Mar 2013.

There is limited mileage in dialogue.

Michael C
Michael C
9 years ago

We in Western nations need urgently to arrest

“our rapidly accelerating descent into economic, educational, moral, cultural and social ruin” (Paul Weston: LibertyGB Mission Statement).

Our Dear Leaders are failing: in fact, some are even conniving at this descent. Dialogue will make no difference to Islam’s agenda, “destroying Western Civilisation from within”. Rather more old-fashioned contermeasures are needed, like unbending resistance.

caroleigh
caroleigh
9 years ago
Reply to  Michael C

Michael C
. I wish you could tell me, exactly what do you mean “More old fashioned countermeasures are needed, like unbending resistance. ” how do we do that? Through the Catholic Church? Or through the government? We have a closet Muslim as a president surrounded by Chicago lowlife. Muslim ideology crawling through every crack of our government and schools. Exactly how can we fight against it? It’s all very scary. Thank You Logan’s Warning and Thank You Michael C.

Michael C
Michael C
9 years ago
Reply to  caroleigh

What can we do?
Do not vacation in Islamic lands.
Never buy halal.
Leave a restaurant if you find it is halal, even if you have already started to order.
Be alert for mosque applications, and object to them.
Enlist as many individual objectors as you can: they count them.
Follow Pamela Geller’s advice in “Stop the Islamisation of America”.
Support Pamela Geller’s bus ads: see Atlas Shrugs.
Inform yourself: http://www.TheReligionofPeace.com is an encyclopedia.
Politely spread the word to pastors, friends.
Tell them about Taqiyya.
Tell them of Amil Imani’s Faith Freedom site.
Tell them of Amil Imani’s $100,000 reward.
Show them the reality: http://www.BareNakedIslam.com
Try to enlist support from local gun clubs. Home Defense will be needed.
Press for American Laws for American Courts in your State.
Lobby against amnesty for illegal immigrants.
Use a pigskin purse, especially when flying.
Bury pig parts in your yard.
Bury pig parts on at-risk sites.

The “unbending resistance” wish is really for States, and is something they are not doing, except for a few beginnings. Thailand has started to turn away illegal boat migrants. Greece is severely limiting the opening hours of the asylum office. We ordinary citizen ants are rather helpless: we can only lobby for restrictions, and demonstrate to UPHOLD THE LAW.

Those are some ideas. I hope they help.

caroleigh
caroleigh
9 years ago
Reply to  Michael C

great ideas…….

love Pamula and Robert..

Ive spent all day at ‘religon of peace’ WOW..all the info….thanks look forward to your comments…..

pa

Michael C
Michael C
9 years ago
Reply to  Michael C

CORRECTION: mistake of names

Ali Sina has the site http://www.FaithFreedom.org, and it is his £100,000 challenge (homepage top right).

Amil Imani is another fine freedom fighter “speaking out about the danger of radical Islam”. His site is http://www.amilimani.org

My apologies for the mistake.

Camille
9 years ago

Keep your friends close and your enemies closer.

Tommy Hunt
9 years ago
Reply to  Sheila Simmons

The new Pope is (at best) naive.

Francis
Francis
9 years ago

I’m sorry, but I don’t really get why any of you don’t like Islam. care to explain?

caroleigh
caroleigh
9 years ago
Reply to  Francis

huh???
cant you read??????????????????????????????
head scarf too tight????????????????

Michael C
Michael C
9 years ago

The United States has been subjected to Sharia demands before. In its earliest years its shipping was plundered for cargo and slaves and ransoms by the muslim Barbary corsairs of north Africa (Morocco, Algeria, Tunisia, and Libya today).

To “protect” American ships the government agreed to pay a tribute (Jizya) amounting eventually to some ten per cent of tax revenue. Finally a robust naval defence was made, blowing up pirate ships, invading the country, taking Tripoli, freeing captives and demanding compensation. The piracy ceased.

Those robust old-fashioned countermeasures of unbending resistance are the kind of dialogue PROVEN TO WORK.

Michael C
Michael C
9 years ago

Why is the Vatican a fortified city-within-a-city?

“A proto-typical Muslim naval razzia occurred in 846 when a fleet of Arab Jihadists arrived at the mouth of the Tiber, made their way to Rome, sacked the city, and carried away from the basilica of St. Peter all of the gold and silver it contained. The reason why the Vatican became a “city within the city” in Rome with fortifications was due to repeated attacks by Muslims (Saracens).”
Fjordman, Europeans as Victims of Islamic Colonialism,
http://www.sheikyermami.com 2009.07.27

Mary Wells
9 years ago

That the Pope would consider opening the door to Islam says one of two things: He, along with much of the Church of St. Peter, has not learned the way of righteousness in the Bible and leans so far towards justice it is suicide; or (2) He knows fully what he is doing and bowing to Islam. It is of utmost importance for everyone else who claims to serve the Living God, to remember to pray, pray, pray – just as fervently as Muslims pray – for the real enemy to be exposed and defeated. Otherwise, to sit in armchair criticism of the Pope is to hasten the day of destruction for us all.

Michael C
Michael C
9 years ago

“And that is the problem with all this spurious “dialogue.” Muslim Brotherhood theorist Sayyid Qutb explained: “The chasm between Islam and Jahiliyyah [the society of unbelievers] is great, and a bridge is not to be built across it so that the people on the two sides may mix with each other, but only so that the people of Jahiliyyah may come over to Islam.” That’s what “interfaith dialogue” is for Islamic supremacists: a vehicle for proselytizing.”
Robert Spencer, http://www.JihadWatch.com 26 Mar 2013

Steve
9 years ago

Great website. As far as the new Pope. If he wanted to make a strong staement, he would have. It’s about dialogue. Eventually the catholic Church will find the common areas that Christianity and islam have in common and form bounds.There is speculation that possibly the catholic Church will emerge w/ Islam to satrt a new form of religion. This is not good. As a “Catholic” I would urge all catholics and Christians for that matter, to speak to church leaders in order to get the word out. The normal citizen has no clue of what is taking place today. Islam is making great strides into our American way of life, not wanting to assimilate , but to change our culture.

emmi
emmi
9 years ago

Popes want to form strong links with Islam for only one reason – to destroy secularisation. Not my view, a British cardinal announced this as fact. The stupid, childlike trusting look on this idiot’s face sickened me.
Islam with its promotion of sexual filth and cruelty is preferable to secularisation with no history of yearning for violence or overstepping other people’s personal boundaries? But then the Catholic Church is known for its mysoginistic attitude while paying lip service to valuing women.
Both ideologies want to make women powerless as they are the protectors of children and both ideologies want to get their hands on children.

gfmucci
gfmucci
9 years ago

The Catholic Church is hopeless when it comes to their relations with Islam. Vatican II sealed their fate with a suicidal declaration as a central theme in their doctrine of salvation concerning Muslims. This is explained in detail here: http://www.muccings.blogspot.com/2013/03/catholic-decline-islamic-resurgence.html

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9 years ago

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baju muslim murah
8 years ago

Standard and western designs might be brought from lots of shops; or presently there’s so much readily available on the internet. Just spend some time planning your outfits and quickly you’ll be generating your own personal trends in muslim style.

emmi
emmi
8 years ago

Or you can buy a grandad nightshirt from a secondhand shop for the men for $5 and a roll of black bin bags for women for $4 from the supermarket. That is if you want to look as though you have escaped from a mental institution.

emmi
emmi
8 years ago

Pope Francis would make a good Muslim. He is clearly anti-democracy!
The brave, sensible Polish people have banned the extremely cruel halal slaughter in their land by law.
The usual Muslim whining has started as they have to go to the expense of importing halal meat.
The Pope has stepped in and stated that he will do what he can to stop this law. Religion always has taken priority over compassion.
This individual took the name Francis, having no knowledge of St Francis’s teachings. Shows what hypocrites religious leaders are.
How dare this religious ignoramus attempt to stifle the will of the people when his actions are against Bible teaching (Isiah) and in my opinion, has as much spirituality as something I’ve trodden in on a pavement.