Daniel Pipes has his back up Against the Wall ~ Admits Logan’s Warning is Correct!

Pipes new threeIn an effort to do what is right, for years I have went against the grain and proudly spoken out against those who are $elling America the feel good fantasy, “moderate” Muslims are going to save the day. One of the main culprits of this message is self-proclaimed “historian” and “specialist on Islamism”, Daniel Pipes.

Pipes Twitter profile

Just last week he penned an article entitled, “What you need to know about Islam vs. Islamism”. The article was posted on the FOX News website. While he did not specifically mention me by name, (it is probably safe to say that he does not care for me too much at this point, so why give me any publicity?) he did screw up by using one of the talking points I have been hitting him with since last year. Finally the pressure has gotten to him and he has responded.

Pipes:

Their killer question is, “Was Muhammad a Muslim or an Islamist?”

Yes, he was a Muslim. That is my point, and the reason I say he screwed up is because he ended up admitting I am correct. That Mohammad the war-monger was a Muslim.

Pipes:

Muhammad was a plain Muslim, not an Islamist, for the latter concept dates back only to the 1920s. And no, we are not cowardly but offer our true analysis.

So the definition of the word Muslim has changed over time? Says who Daniel?

Not only was Mohammad a Muslim, he was a self-proclaimed terrorist.

Fighting for the Cause of Allah (Jihaad)

Sahih Bukhari Volume 4, Book 52, Number 220:
Narrated Abu Huraira:

Allah’s Apostle said, “I have been sent with the shortest expressions bearing the widest meanings, and I have been made victorious with terror (cast in the hearts of the enemy), and while I was sleeping, the keys of the treasures of the world were brought to me and put in my hand.” Abu Huraira added: Allah’s Apostle has left the world and now you, people, are bringing out those treasures (i.e. the Prophet did not benefit by them).

Which makes Islam itself the problem. Thanks Daniel!

Unfortunately, from that admission, Pipes went back to being…….well, Pipes.

Back to DP:

Despite this urge, Islamists absorb Western influences, including the concept of ideology. Indeed, Islamism represents the transformation of Islamic faith into a political ideology.

As seen by that statement, Pipes shows just how ignorant he is on Islam itself. Because the Koran is what made Islam a political ideology. It contains its own set of laws. Such as the non-Muslim tax, otherwise known as jizya.

Koran verse 9:29

{ قَاتِلُواْ ٱلَّذِينَ لاَ يُؤْمِنُونَ بِٱللَّهِ وَلاَ بِٱلْيَوْمِ ٱلآخِرِ وَلاَ يُحَرِّمُونَ مَا حَرَّمَ ٱللَّهُ وَرَسُولُهُ وَلاَ يَدِينُونَ دِينَ ٱلْحَقِّ مِنَ ٱلَّذِينَ أُوتُواْ ٱلْكِتَابَ حَتَّىٰ يُعْطُواْ ٱلْجِزْيَةَ عَن يَدٍ وَهُمْ صَاغِرُونَ }

Fight those who do not believe in God, nor in the Last Day, for, otherwise, they would have believed in the Prophet (s), and who do not forbid what God and His Messenger have forbidden, such as wine, nor do they practise the religion of truth, the firm one, the one that abrogated other religions, namely, the religion of Islam — from among of those who (min, ‘from’, explains [the previous] alladhīna, ‘those who’) have been given the Scripture, namely, the Jews and the Christians, until they pay the jizya tribute, the annual tax imposed them, readily (‘an yadin is a circumstantial qualifier, meaning, ‘compliantly’, or ‘by their own hands’, not delegating it [to others to pay]), being subdued, [being made] submissive and compliant to the authority of Islam.

Another law being the punish for theft:

Koran verse 5:38

{ وَٱلسَّارِقُ وَٱلسَّارِقَةُ فَٱقْطَعُوۤاْ أَيْدِيَهُمَا جَزَآءً بِمَا كَسَبَا نَكَالاً مِّنَ ٱللَّهِ وَٱللَّهُ عَزِيزٌ حَكِيمٌ }

And the thieving male and the thieving female (the definite article in both [nouns] relates to the subject [sc. wa’lladhī saraqa wa’llatī saraqat, ‘And the male who thieves and the female who thieves’]; because this [clause] resembles a conditional statement [sc. ‘if he thieves, if she thieves’ etc.] the fā’ has been included in the predicate [fa’qta‘ū, ‘then cut off’]) cut off their hands, that is, the right hand of each of the two from the wristbone; it is explained in the Sunna that the amputation applies to [the stealing of] a quarter of a dinar and upwards, and if the person were to re-offend, the left foot should then be amputated from the ankle, and then [on subsequent re-offending] the left hand [is amputated], followed by the right foot, after which discretionary punishment is applied; as a requital (jazā’an is in the accusative because it is a verbal noun) for what they have earned, and an exemplary punishment, for both of them, from God; God is Mighty, His way will prevail, Wise, in His creation.

If Pipes actually did read a Koran, I say he is due for a refresher course!

Pipes:

Our killer question is “How do you propose to defeat Islamism?” Those who make all Islam their enemy not only succumb to a simplistic and essentialist illusion but they lack any mechanism to defeat it.

Actually that is not a killer question, it is a killer cop out. Pipes is the one using the term “Islamism”, so he needs to be a leader and tell us how it will happen. Obviously, Pipes is the one with no real long term answers. On the other hand, we here at Logan’s Warning/North American Infidels (NAI) are calling for America to become energy independent, and end all Muslim immigration.

This is very simple Daniel, Islam is the problem, it has been for 1400 years.  But wanna-be elitists like DP like to put everything into 500 shades of grey. It makes them feel smart.

Pipes:

We who focus on Islamism see World War II and the Cold War as models for subduing the third totalitarianism. We understand that radical Islam is the problem and moderate Islam is the solution.

The only problem with his statement is that he has been pushing that same failed message since at least 2004.

by Daniel Pipes
New York Sun
November 23, 2004

There is good news to report: The idea that “militant Islam is the problem, moderate Islam is the solution” is finding greater acceptance over time.

His message is one of complete failure though. As facts show us that Sharia is clearly seeping into America, and entire neighborhoods are changing to suit Islam. Obviously what he is $elling keeps the ideology of the enemy alive in our great country. So other than Pipes’ overblown ego and inability to admit failure, why should we continue with failed policies? Why should we gamble away our country on his detrimental message? What is his backup plan?  Does he even have one?

Pipes:

We work with anti-Islamist Muslims to vanquish a common scourge. We will triumph over this new variant of barbarism so that a modern form of Islam can emerge.

The barbarity of Islam has been going on since the days of Mohammad.

Muslim Hadith Book 019, Number 4366: It has been narrated by ‘Umar b. al-Khattib that he heard the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) say: I will expel the Jews and Christians from the Arabian Peninsula and will not leave any but Muslim.

So maybe Pipes would like to actually explain how Islam is going to reform. Because in approximately 13 years of speaking out on this issue, I have not seen even one Muslim condemn any of the actions of Mohammad. That includes America’s “moderate Muslim” poster boy Zuhdi Jasser.

Besides not wanting to continue failed policies, and having actual answers, the main difference between him and I is:

Daniel Pipes wants to save Islam in America, I want to save America from Islam!

Keep up the fight friends!

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25 comments for “Daniel Pipes has his back up Against the Wall ~ Admits Logan’s Warning is Correct!

  1. May 18, 2013 at 6:07 pm

    Great post. There are some moderate Muslims, but they are the few who have escaped the void at the centre of Islam; that void is personified in Mohammed.

    • admin
      May 18, 2013 at 6:17 pm

      Thanks mate!

      Not targeting Islam head-on has been a proven failure.

      Stay strong!

      Chris

  2. May 19, 2013 at 3:22 am

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    • caroleigh
      May 19, 2013 at 4:48 am

      H U H ????

      that you Zuhdi ??

  3. Michael C
    May 19, 2013 at 5:06 am

    The “Moderates-to-the-Rescue” claim of Daniel Pipes is, as Logan’s Warning points out, a fantasy. Look at its track record – zero. It is useless. In fact, it is worse than useless: it is a self-administered drug that provides a false sense of well-being while numbing perception of what is really going on. As a result it is dangerous, and NEEDS to be exposed.

    Oh America, Heed Logan’s Warning!

  4. May 19, 2013 at 5:25 am

    Pipes said: “Those who make all Islam their enemy not only succumb to a simplistic and essentialist illusion but they lack any mechanism to defeat it.” I would ask Pipes how his war on “Islamism” is coming along. He’s like the Don Quixote figure battling windmills and by misunderstanding the reality of the situation, he aides Islam in it’s attack on America. Pipes was referring to himself in that quote not we who are under no illusions regarding Islam. It’s stunning the lengths people will go to hold onto their fantasies. Good reporting Chris! How quickly we could defeat Islam if it weren’t for people like Daniel Pipes. (Tommy)

  5. Jerry G
    May 19, 2013 at 7:48 am

    Pipes is in effect an apologist for Islam and a Quisling, very much like those who supported the Nazis by legitimizing them during the war. Good for Hogan for exposing him.

  6. Michael C
    May 19, 2013 at 10:57 am

    Is Pipes “misunderstanding” the reality of the situation (we are told so many muslims “misunderstand” Islam), or is he misrepresenting it?

    • May 20, 2013 at 6:34 am

      So is he lying or not. I don’t think he’s lying. I think he actually believes Islam is one of the 3 great religions of the world. I think he believes in a good Islam.

    • admin
      May 22, 2013 at 12:51 pm

      Judging from the following comment, I would have to say Pipes respects Islam.

      “Islam is the fourteen-century-old faith of a billion-plus believers that includes everyone from quietist Sufis to violent jihadis. Muslims achieved remarkable military, economic, and cultural success between roughly 600 and 1200 c.e.”

      • Michael C
        May 22, 2013 at 2:59 pm

        Success in attacking, raiding, subjugating, extorting, humiliating and annihilating other peoples.

  7. May 19, 2013 at 7:06 pm

    Pipes needs to shut up.

  8. Martel Sobieskey
    May 20, 2013 at 1:28 pm

    Here are litmus tests to ferret out fake Islamic experts:

    1. Anyone who call Islam a relgion is incompetent. Islam is a

  9. Martel Sobieskey
    May 20, 2013 at 1:36 pm

    Here is a litmus test to ferret out fake Islamic experts:

    1. Islam is not a relgion. Islam is a COUNTERFEIT religion. Anyone who calls Islam a religion is incompetent and shallow minded in the extreme. These are the useful idiots aiding and abetting Islam’s conquest of America.

    2. The Koran. Hadith,and biography of Mohammed, as well as the past and present history of Islam prove Islam to be an ENEMY INVADER in the disguise of religion.

  10. caroleigh
    May 21, 2013 at 5:08 am

    Right ON Martel……….
    Its a evil ideology whose only goal is power to a few and subjugation to the rest. Take a look at Obama. The perfect Muslim. Everything he does has a goal and it is power. America has finally opened her eyes, now sees the evil, and it is being crushed. Impeachment of this man is coming. Take heed Muslims you will not win the United States.

  11. Ratonis
    May 21, 2013 at 8:15 am

    If “Islamism” is different from “Islam,” why then do they claim inspiration from the “rightly guided caliphs” of the original Muslim conquests? One could reasonably argue that medieval Islam was “moderate” in the sense that it was open to absorbing non-Islamic culture and learning from it. But this direction lost out in the 12th century, and there are centuries of writings of ISLAM that are antecedent to “ISLAMISM.” The differentiation is a forced construct. As for Zuhdi Jasser, noted in the original post, his version of Islam is nothing more than a private interpretation of his father and grandfather, and has no general authority in Islamic history or major writings.

  12. Robin Shadowes
    May 22, 2013 at 10:41 am

    Chris, check this out. I found it on Facebook. Obama’s secret plan to turn US into a pislamic nation by the end of his second term by bringing in up to 100 million arselifters into your country.

    http://m.motherjones.com/politics/2011/02/obamas-secret-muslim-plot

  13. Michael C
    May 25, 2013 at 2:59 am

    Daniel Pipes’s “Moderate Islam” follows the Koran, and Islamic law.
    This is how “moderate” those authorities are:

    Muslims “are the best of peoples ever raised up for mankind” (3:112)
    Non-muslims are unclean (9:28), the “vilest of beasts” (8:22).
    Non-muslims are “the most despicable” (98:6), “as apes and pigs” (5:60).
    The “excellent pattern” to non-muslims is “animosity and hatred forever” (60:4).
    Allah does not love the unbelievers (3:32) (so muslims cannot either).
    Allah is the enemy of the unbelievers (2:98) (so muslims must be, too).
    Muslims are merciful to each other but ruthless to unbelievers (48:29).
    Muslims, do not take Christians or Jews as friends or allies (5:51).
    When the Koran instructs an action the muslim has no choice about it (33:36).
    The “right path” denies Jesus’s divinity (19:35), crucifixion, and resurrection (4:157).
    Kill unbelievers wherever you find them, unless they convert to Islam (9:5).

    The Koran is “true from eternity to eternity” (Sam Solomon, professor of Sharia).
    The Koran is part of Islamic law.
    To deny any Koran verse brings the death penalty (Manual of Islamic Law o8.7(7)).

    Much of Islamic law violates criminal law – honour-killing, wife-beating, child-beating, genital mutilation, the “right to hit and kick….. and break musical instruments”, slave-taking, and so on.

    “It is unbelief (kufr) to hold that the remnant cults now bearing the names of formerly valid religions such as “Christianity” and “Judaism” …are acceptable to Allah.”
    Manual of Islamic Law w4.1(2)

    In case different “interpretations” are claimed (as a distraction), here is Walid Shoebat’s “Question for the West”:

    “What part of “kill” don’t they understand?”
    (What the West Needs to Know)

    The Koran can be consulted online at http://corpus.quran.com.
    The Manual of Islamic Law is available as a free download:
    http://www.shafiifiqh.com/maktabah/relianceoftraveller.pdf

  14. Charlie
    May 25, 2013 at 3:12 am

    He must be CRINGING after London this week.

    • admin
      May 25, 2013 at 8:19 pm

      He does not respond to me at all, and has declined to debate Mr. Bostom. Some “leader”.

    • admin
      May 29, 2013 at 9:50 pm

      He ducks a lot of questions, and criticism of him.

  15. emmi
    June 3, 2013 at 2:20 am

    Islam is a dangerous cult with the same political agenda as other cults, to take over the world and make a lot of money for those at the top.
    There is an element of brainwashing, the washing and praying five times a day, the flapping of the hands around the head during prayers and condemnation of those putting their hands at the wrong angle.
    The teaching in mosques to ‘kill, kill, kill the infidel’.
    Control over the faithful’s hair, even pubic hair. Orders on which hand to use for the toilet, which foot should enter the toilet first. Forbidding pictures of people and animals as only Allah can create.
    All this is designed to occupy the minds of the followers of Islam so that they become so anxious, they cannot think for themselves. Obedient robots being made to look ridiculous in the eyes of civilised people.
    Crazy imams issuing these orders. In Britain we used to lock up such people in asylums, now we are telling them that we want them in Parliament and even as Prime Minister. We are not allowed to offend them with our rational criticism and so the insanity flourishes.
    Islam a peaceful religion? What kind of god makes people’s pubic hair a priority. Forget the starving masses and the machete wielding lunatics, hair is the most important topic!

  16. June 3, 2013 at 6:02 pm

    All good entries and interesting responses, some better than others, but the fact remains that there is no action to the problem. It’s all smoke and no roast…… This major issue is not on the top list of any politician, in fact the DOJ warning speaks loud and clear! It’s all words, with no concrete solutions. It’s great to have informed citizens, but the fact remains that “these citizens” (all of us informed by these web-sites) are rendered powerless when faced with political corruption coupled with illiterate politicians who do not know the difference between a duck and a mallard!

  17. June 13, 2013 at 5:23 am

    We should be thankful that there are still some moderate muslims who can think wisely and act calmly. This world would be better if people know how to act.

  18. July 10, 2014 at 3:50 pm

    DP says: Islamism represents the transformation of Islamic faith into a political ideology.

    How backwards! If Islamism comes from Islam then Islam is the source of the political ideology. If Islamism does not come from Islam then DP needs to educate us all on where it comes from and its source texts. When I read up on what so called Islamists say and write, they are always going on about the Quran and Hadith and ‘The Reliance of the Traveller’ etc. — All basic foundational texts of Islam, the same texts that regular ole Muslims use. Oh, Mr Pipes, please let us know, how you know, that Islamism has nothing to do with Islam.

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