NY Mosque Versus Reverend Dan & the Rest of Logan’s Warning Infidel Team!

Hello infidel team! We have been paid another visit from Masjid Bellmore out of NY. When we last left off Reverend Dan had asked them 10 questions. (Listed below). As you will see, many were not clearly answered and others ignored. The IslamoCON was in full effect!

Reverend Dan on September 11, 2011 at 11:15 am : “Jaam’e Masjid Bellmore, NY you write – “For American Muslims, post 9/11 gave rise to Islamophobia, suspicion, interrogation, harassment, hate crime, and political and religious figures peddling anti-Islamic rhetoric; in many ways, the whole community felt excluded of American society.”

1. Do you deny Sharia?

2. Do you accept Israel’s right to exist?

3. Do you accept The Holy Trinity?

4. Do you deny the right of Muslims to own slaves and sex slaves?

5. Do you deny the right of Muslims to have child Brides?

6. Do you deny the right of Muslims to beat their wives?

7. Do you allow Muslim women the same freedoms as a man?

8. Do you denounce honor killings?

9. Do you agree its rape if a Muslim man takes his wife forcibly?

10. Do you agree to accept and defend the Constitution of The United States of America?

I eagerly await your answers.

From Jaam’e Masjid Bellmore:

In the name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful.

1. Anti-Sharia agenda infused with hate, ignorance and Islamophobia intent on dehumanizing an entire religious community

You dropping the talking points “hate”, “ignorance”, and “Islamophobia” does not refute a thing. Islamic Law calls for the dominance over non-Muslims, so there is no reason we should like it. Using your “logic”, Jews who spoke out against Nazism were suffering from “Naziophobia”. Your tactics may work with others, but they fail here.

The “Sharia threat” argument is based on an extreme type of scripturalism where one pulls out verses from a sacred text and argues that believers will behave according to that text. But this argument ignores how believers themselves understand and interpret that text over time.

As I said Islamic Law call for the dominance over non-Muslims, and The Reliance of the Traveller, A Classic Manual of Islamic Sacred Law clearly states this. This manual has the stamp of approval of Egypt’s Al-Azhar, the world’s highest Islamic learning school. It was writen by 14th-century scholar Shihabuddin Abu al-‘Abbas Ahmad ibn an-Naqib al-Misri, and its latest printing was in 1994. Also, from the following example we can see that Islamic Law has called for the dominance over Christians for almost 1400 years.

The Christians of Najran, Medina, refused conversion to Islam in 631 A.D. and offered Mohamad to maintain their faith, accept the dominance of Muslims and pay an annual tribute (the jizya), he accepted and the pact was sealed between them.

What was that you said about things changing? Now pay attention, we don’t want to live under Sharia. Is that clear enough for you?

The equivalent would be saying that Jews stone disobedient sons to death (Deut. 21:18-21) or that Christians slay all non-Christians (Luke 19:27). In a more secular context it is similar to arguing that the use of printed money in America is unconstitutional; ignoring the interpretative process of the Supreme Court. There is ZERO threat of Sharia Law undermining our Constitution

Christians and Jews are not on worldwide campaigns looking to impose a barbaric set of laws on all. Muslims are, whether non-Muslims like it or not.

You really need to pay more attention to this site. Do you actually think we will just blindly believe anything you say? Sharia has already been used in US Courts, Muslims enclaves are forming, and Muslims in America are calling for Sharia. Don’t come here with the lies. I will expose them over and over.

BTW, you have clearly not answered his question. It was a simple yes or no question. Do you condemn Sharia or not?

2. Christians and Jews lived peacefully with Muslims throughout centuries in the Middle East and other Asian and African countries. The second Caliph Umar did not pray in the church in Jerusalem so as not to give the Muslims an excuse to take it over. Christians entrusted the Muslims, and as such the key of the Church in Jerusalem is still in the hands of the Muslims.

Christians and Jews have suffered in Islamic countries for centuries.

Then there is this….

Muslim Hadith Book 019, Number 4366:
It has been narrated by ‘Umar b. al-Khattib that he heard the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) say: I will expel the Jews and Christians from the Arabian Peninsula and will not leave any but Muslim.

Why did you fail to mention that hadith?

Jews fled from Spain during the Inquisition, and they were welcomed by the Muslims. They settled in the heart of the Islamic Caliphate. They enjoyed positions of power and authority.

Here are a few other things you failed to mention:

However, so that they would be encouraged to convert to Islam, they were to be made “uncomfortable” in a variety of ways, known as the Covenant of Omar (“till they pay the tribute readily, offered on the back of their hands, in a state of humiliation” sura 9:29)). These included special additional taxes (jiziya poll tax and haradj produce tax), the wearing of distinctive yellow clothes and prohibition of riding horses or wearing swords, etc. They were to always hold a position inferior to the Moslem, could never be in a position of commanding a Moslem and were to be generally scorned.

Back to the Mosque:

Throughout the Muslim world, churches, synagogues and missionary schools were built within the Muslim neighborhoods. These places were protected by Muslims even during the contemporary crises in the Middle East.

Throughout the Muslim world, Churches and other houses of worship have been destroyed. Let’s go to Saudi Arabia together and apply to build a Church…..

Just like with question #1, you have ducked answering question #2 head on.

3. “Surely, disbelievers are those who said: “Allâh is the third of the three (in a Trinity).” But there is no Allah (none who has the right to be worshipped) but One Allah. And if they cease not from what they say, verily, a painful torment will befall on the disbelievers among them” (Quran Al-Maeda, 5:73)

I am quite sure Reverend Dan is not concerned with that quote. Unlike you our minds are not enslaved by Islam. We will believe and say what we want.

4-9: Islam allows woman, whether single or married, as an individual in her own right, with the right to own and dispose of her property and earnings without any guardianship over her (whether that be her father, husband, or anyone else). She has the right to buy and sell, give gifts and charity, and may spend her money as she pleases. A marriage dowry is given by the groom to the bride for her own personal use, and she keeps her own family name rather than taking her husband’s. Islam encourages the husband to treat his wife well, as the Prophet Muhammad (peace upon him) said: {The best among you are those who are best to their wives.}

Under Islam women have less rights than men. In court testimony is one example.

Regarding, beating of women, child brides, sex slaves, honor killings have nothing to do Islam. Many of such customs, traditions and rituals are unfortunately carried out even in these modern times are part of culture and tradition that existed since the pre-Islamic era and practiced by Muslim and non-Muslims. There are daily 100s of cases of women being abused, raped, trafficked, and beaten even in the most, so-called, civil and modern societies/countries including North America and Europe. These are Global issues NOT purely an Islamic problem.

More: http://womeninislam.ws/en/
http://www.islam-guide.com/ch3-13-1.htm
http://www.beconvinced.com/archive/en/article.php?articleid=0123&catid=10&subcatname=Woman%20In%20Islam

Islam does allow the beating of women.

{ ٱلرِّجَالُ قَوَّٰمُونَ عَلَى ٱلنِّسَآءِ بِمَا فَضَّلَ ٱللَّهُ بَعْضَهُمْ عَلَىٰ بَعْضٍ وَبِمَآ أَنْفَقُواْ مِنْ أَمْوَٰلِهِمْ فَٱلصَّٰلِحَٰتُ قَٰنِتَٰتٌ حَٰفِظَٰتٌ لِّلْغَيْبِ بِمَا حَفِظَ ٱللَّهُ وَٱلَّٰتِي تَخَافُونَ نُشُوزَهُنَّ فَعِظُوهُنَّ وَٱهْجُرُوهُنَّ فِي ٱلْمَضَاجِعِ وَٱضْرِبُوهُنَّ فَإِنْ أَطَعْنَكُمْ فَلاَ تَبْغُواْ عَلَيْهِنَّ سَبِيلاً إِنَّ ٱللَّهَ كَانَ عَلِيّاً كَبِيراً }

Men are in charge of, they have authority over, women, disciplining them and keeping them in check, because of that with which God has preferred the one over the other, that is, because God has given them the advantage over women, in knowledge, reason, authority and otherwise, and because of what they expend, on them [the women], of their property. Therefore righteous women, among them, are obedient, to their husbands, guarding in the unseen, that is, [guarding] their private parts and otherwise during their spouses’ absence, because of what God has guarded, for them, when He enjoined their male spouses to look after them well. And those you fear may be rebellious, disobedient to you, when such signs appear, admonish them, make them fear God, and share not beds with them, retire to other beds if they manifest such disobedience, and strike them, but not violently, if they refuse to desist [from their rebellion] after leaving them [in separate beds]. If they then obey you, in what is desired from them, do not seek a way against them, a reason to strike them unjustly. God is ever High, Great, so beware of Him, lest He punish you for treating them unjustly.

Islam does allow child brides. Don’t you remember? Your hero Mohammad took one.

Volume 5, Book 58, Number 236:
Narrated Hisham’s father:

Khadija died three years before the Prophet departed to Medina. He stayed there for two years or so and then he married ‘Aisha when she was a girl of six years of age, and he consumed that marriage when she was nine years old.

To make matters worse, the Koran states the actions of Mohammad are to be followed for all times.

Koran verse 033.021
YUSUFALI: Ye have indeed in the Messenger of Allah a beautiful pattern (of conduct) for any one whose hope is in Allah and the Final Day, and who engages much in the Praise of Allah.

What was that about no child brides?

Islam does allow sex slaves. Either you have never read the Koran, or you are just another lying Muslim. Because your argument is paper thin!

Koran verse 033.050
YUSUFALI: O Prophet! We have made lawful to thee thy wives to whom thou hast paid their dowers; and those whom thy right hand possesses out of the prisoners of war whom Allah has assigned to thee; and daughters of thy paternal uncles and aunts, and daughters of thy maternal uncles and aunts, who migrated (from Makka) with thee; and any believing woman who dedicates her soul to the Prophet if the Prophet wishes to wed her;- this only for thee, and not for the Believers (at large); We know what We have appointed for them as to their wives and the captives whom their right hands possess;- in order that there should be no difficulty for thee. And Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.

Under Islam a person can be killed for “spreading mischief in the land”. It is called fasad and “mischief” can be just about anything.

Yes, unfortunately sometimes those actions are practiced in the West, but at least they are NOT legal!

I see you have now ducked #9, under Islam a man can have sex with his wife whenever he wants to, even if she does not want to. That is martial rape. Guess you do not condemn it. Is that OK for your when your daughter (if you have one) gets married?

Koran 002.223
YUSUFALI: Your wives are as a tilth unto you; so approach your tilth when or how ye will; but do some good act for your souls beforehand; and fear Allah. And know that ye are to meet Him (in the Hereafter), and give (these) good tidings to those who believe.

10. The Holy Prophet, may peace and Allah’s blessings be upon him, stressed this point when he said: “One who obeys his authority, obeys me. One who disobeys his authority, disobeys me.”

It is necessary upon a Muslim to listen to and obey the ruler, as long as one is not ordered to carry out a sin. If he is commanded to commit a sin, then there is no adherence and obedience. (Sahih al-Bukhari, no. 2796 & Sunan Tirmizi).
Reverend Dan, Thank you for your questions.

That Hadith is about being in a Sharia ruled state. The most important question the Reverend asked you was if you condemn Sharia Law. You have talked and talked, but have not answered. Once again you have failed on Logan’s Warning!

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38 comments for “NY Mosque Versus Reverend Dan & the Rest of Logan’s Warning Infidel Team!

  1. September 16, 2011 at 8:53 pm

    Muslims have a system that parallels progressives, they simply deny the accusations, then declare victory no matter what the discussion or Argument, Take Global Warming, according to progressives, it’s settled science, yet in fact is is anything BUT settled, and muslims will never concede to the actual Facts of their religion, they have “taqyyia”, and “kitman”, and that’s all they need….a way to Lie for the protection of Islam, and to Con those who refuse to read the Koran the truth, that ALL the Above is a Fact of Islam, and the proof is looking at TV, and those in favor of Shariah laws in Egypt, and Other Middle east Nations. the muslim brotherhood is pushing muslims all over the mid east into Shariah law, and they want it here as well……

    we going to let them have it?…..yes, only it wont be Shariah law we give…

  2. September 16, 2011 at 9:01 pm

    Maybe I’m just tired tonight, its been a long day, but I have read the response 6 times now and I see replies, but no answers. I took the time when asking the questions to make them simple yes or no questions. I see a lot of words, but NO ANSWERS.

    Each question has a simple yes or no answer, for instance you think Israel has a right to exist or you don’t. Period. I do appreciate your response, but I would have loved an answer to the 10 questions.

    • wolfy ghalkhani
      September 17, 2011 at 7:47 am

      Reverend,
      As you well know Muslims are masters of deceit. they lie so much that they actually believe those lies. Only those raised in an Islamic environment who possesses great intelligence and courage can take off the shackles of Islam. I’ve been around Muslims since I was a young girl. they are arrogant, narcissistic beyond belief, ignorant and lacking in critical thinking. Patriots must undertstand that Muslims are hard shells to crack, but it can be done simply by using the same tactics as they do and having the same mindset as they do. when dealing with muslims think like a muslim. I do. They hate me but they respect me, too. just like they do Chris and yourself. Truly, I admire both of you so much. In the meantime, I will keep up the fight in my neck of the woods.

      • September 26, 2011 at 12:37 pm

        Thank you Wolfy!! Keep up the fight!

    • September 18, 2011 at 2:39 pm

      Dan, if you are waiting for a realistic truthful response from muslims, you’ll never get one, they refuse to tell the truth about their agenda, they same way progressives do, and about their past, muslims have one single agenda, World Domination, and what ever it takes to accomplish that is their goal, including but not limited to infiltrating Governments, and changing Laws and Constitutions from within, and using the “Religiious” moniker most have given Islam now allows it to Operate in plain site…

      if Islam was stripped of it’s “Religious” Status, it would make it a lot shorter easier battle……but in this day and age we are forced by the politically correct to maintain the Status Quo, and that means to the Government, and the media, Islam is a peaceful religion, regardless of the truth, past, present, or future….

      • September 18, 2011 at 5:19 pm

        I know Chief but I have to try. Its just in my DNA, I’m kinda hard-headed that way 🙂

  3. September 17, 2011 at 2:57 am

    The liar pulled Luke 19:27 out of context. The full context, with my challenge which they can not meet, is here: http://www.facebook.com/groups/114642518636339/doc/120912938009297/

    • eib
      September 17, 2011 at 9:03 am

      Muslim and multicultural authorities have done that before– same verse.
      It demonstrates, more than anything, their complete ignorance of Christianity.

    • eib
      September 17, 2011 at 9:04 am

      I think they once tried to trip up Geert Wilders with it. And he was really knocked for a loop because, of course, he isn’t a doctrinaire Christian.

  4. September 17, 2011 at 4:36 am

    More good questions for the mosque…
    Will you condemn Hamas and Hezbollah? Will you condemn CAIR and the Islamic Society of North America as a known terrorist front organizations?

  5. kope
    September 17, 2011 at 6:00 am

    Reverend Dan

    3. Do you accept The Holy Trinity?

    ————————-

    The trinity explained!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W5JjOymzrgU

    • September 17, 2011 at 8:54 pm

      Sorry Kope, not true

    • Robin Shadowes
      September 18, 2011 at 2:36 am

      Do you accept that Jesus will return as an arselifter in the end times and kill all kafirs?

  6. Ravi Ranjan Singh Panth Bharti
    September 17, 2011 at 7:39 am

    Americans you have no right to hate Jihadis.
    As humans have got no right to hate wolves.
    Yes, you can protect your children,livestock and property from them.

    But understand the theory of evolution, before you criticize Jihadi next time.
    As for human it is their dearest baby that wolf has bitten or eaten, you may be angry and kill the entire pa(c)K, but understand it is not wolves fault and wolf was committed no sin. What is child for you is food for it, now how you say wolf has done anything wrong.
    For own protection you may kill wolf, but still I say wolf has done no sin and some of us are trying hard to make wolf understand killing is bad, that is stupid. Some of our humans may also experiment and waste untire life or even generations to make camel understand ‘theory of relativity in shrinking space’ using all mind and methods from carrot to sick, but Camel does not understand it, now who is the fool Camel or the teacher.
    Camel was not made to understand your stupid theory and formation of wolf is that of wolf.
    So fools don’t fool yourself and other humans with funny foolish ideas.
    Don’t try to make wolf understand baby was sweet so you did sin.
    You can finish them but don’t call them killer, but logically I am not convinced wolf is Sinner though it is killer.Accept the fact wolf is wolf

    CAMEWOLMANS!

    Who are Camewolman? Why nobody asked it?

    Around 1400 years back some kind of epidemic broke out. Some Camel Raisers use to rape Camels in their loneliness. Out of this unnatural act some viral disease developed, that affected the IQ of its Victims.
    As the victims of microbe i.e. rapists were human beings, so they naturally looked like any other human and biologically/technically/legally they were humans, but with effect of this disease their IQ level dropped to level of Camel they raped. So they became Cameluns, having body of human and mind of camel they became obsolete, they could neither survive as human nor camel, so as per theory of adaptation they adapted new qualities, they developed traits of Wolf, its attacking and all other beastly habits, thus they became CAMWOLMAN, this was an important turning point, with wolf smartness and human looks they easily entered human settlements deceptively and stayed there and at appropriate time attacked and conquered the colony they were living in, humans in these settlements either rushed out or were killed or captivated.
    Those who were captivated were bitten and thus got infected, some of those under captivity who were biologically better and were not infected were enslaved and sold, some of these slaves survived for generations without being infected and some slaves got infected latter.
    Now all these Sick humans were perfect Camewolmans and all old/new Camewolmans clubbed togather and attacked another civilization.
    Before Societies realized and were ready with remedy Camewolman did their act.
    Societies and countries have also got rid of them in past.

    Once Camewolman is treated it may also become human even better human again.

    There are many threats and from different corners as there are many diseases and all are dangerous; but not equally.
    Don’t mix muscle pull with AIDS.

    The vaccine against this disease was developed by Crusaders earlier and later by Tribals, Rajputs, Jats in India, the latest therapy was developed by Sikhs. The formula is already there, only we need to clear dust from our old books and study them. Bit R&D is also required and synergy of West and Sikhs may be useful.

  7. Ravi Ranjan Singh Panth Bharti
    September 17, 2011 at 7:47 am

    So Dear Americans,

    Don’t blame them, don’t try tech them assuming what you learn they will or can learn, just take care of them.

  8. kope
    September 17, 2011 at 8:28 am

    ravi

    stop eating curry man

    • Ravi Ranjan Singh Panth Bharti
      September 18, 2011 at 9:09 pm

      You stop killing the sacred cow for sheer pleasure of your palate.

      • MN
        September 19, 2011 at 2:58 pm

        @ Kope & all other Western folks,
        .
        Please go on & kill as many cows, veals, chickens, lambs, apples, carrots, pigs, etc – and consume them.
        .
        As a born-Hindu and raised-Hindu, I find it extremely correct that cows, pigs, and all other forms of life need to be killed – for human consumption.
        .
        @ Ravi,
        .
        Stop killing food grains, wheat, fruits, vegetables, stop drinking water there might be minute organisms in it, stop breathing air, you might be killing some unicellular organisms in air.
        .
        Once you are able to stop all that, please feel free to visit this site & ask Western & other developed nations citizens to stop eating beef or killing cows.
        .
        If you want to worship cow, drink it’s urine & use it’s poop in your havans & poojas, not one westerner has a problem with it. Just keep your cow-dung in your house & do your havan & poojas in your place
        .
        As much as I love & respect Jats, Rajputs, Sikhs, Jains, Buddhists & of course Hindus, your stupid comment deserves this and more debasing responses.
        .
        MN

  9. September 17, 2011 at 9:16 am

    “President” Barack Hussein Obama is truly a Muslim. Obama continually lies through his Muslim teeth just like all other evil Muslims.

  10. eib
    September 17, 2011 at 12:00 pm

    Quote:
    The Christians of Najran, Medina, refused conversion to Islam in 631 A.D. and offered Mohamad to maintain their faith, accept the dominance of Muslims and pay an annual tribute (the jizya), he accepted and the pact was sealed between them.
    end

    No pact with Muslims is ever sealed, because no peace is possible with the Dar Al-Harb.
    There is only truce, no peace.
    With the Christians, there is total, unending war.
    When the jizyah is paid, there is humiliation.
    Will there not be retaliation?
    Will there not be resentment?
    Will there not be war?

  11. eib
    September 17, 2011 at 12:01 pm

    Quote:
    Christians entrusted the Muslims, and as such the key of the Church in Jerusalem is still in the hands of the Muslims.
    end

    Yes.
    And we certainly know why.
    It’s not because Islam is holy.

  12. Tired Vet
    September 17, 2011 at 12:15 pm

    Well….at least Ravi agrees with us on one point……they are basically animals….

    • Ravi Ranjan Singh Panth Bharti
      September 19, 2011 at 2:55 am

      No, I donn’t agree that they are Animals.It is just an analogy. Jihadis are not animals, I don’t Insult or Halal Animals.
      Jihadis are a dreadful accidental cock-tail of Human-Animal DNA and deformed creatures with manufacturing faults.

      • September 23, 2011 at 9:38 pm

        Ravi, if muslims and Islam are such good things, why do you people live in the sand, heat your food with Camel dung, and live under Tyrants ?, why if Allah is so all powerful, hasn’t he given you the power to overcome Americas mite, and Israel ?…..cause you folks are living in a dream world, you think America is going to be conquered by people who have accomplished Nothing in a 1000 years but death and destruction ?…..We’ll show you death and destruction…..we mastered it protecting America, and Americans……

        • Ravi Ranjan Singh Panth Bharti
          October 1, 2011 at 5:51 am

          Dear Chief_Cabioch,

          Jihadis are really good.
          Believe me!
          They are good at rape, looting, stoning, child abusing, good at anything that is bad.
          I think you did not read between lines, what I wrote.

          I am not Cawolman.I am born in community that was born to finish Jihadis .
          We have been fighting them for centuries.I am a born and practicing Sikh.
          Muhgals fixed tag price on our heads.
          Call me pig, i don’t mind but not CAWOLMAN.
          I have coined the word CAWOLMAN hope oxford dictionary inducts it.
          —-
          CAWOLMAN!

          Who are CAWLOMAN? Why nobody asked it?

          Around 1400 years back some kind of epidemic broke out. Some Camel Raisers use to rape Camels in their loneliness. Out of this unnatural act some viral disease developed, that affected the IQ of its Victims .i.e. mischievous Arabs.
          Ironically arrogant predator ended up as the victims of infection microbe i.e. brutal rapists/nasty Arabs. The malicious ailing patient were human beings apparently, as they looked like any other human and biologically/technically/legally they were also humans, minus humanity element and human I.Q. With effect of this disease their IQ level dropped to level of Camel they raped. So they became Cameluns, having body of human and mind of camel, so they became obsolete, they could neither survive as human nor camel, subsequently as per theory of adaptation they adapted new qualities, they developed traits of Wolf, its attacking and all other beastly habits, thus they became CAWOLMAN, this was an important turning point, with wolf smartness and human looks they easily entered human settlements deceptively and stayed there and at appropriate time attacked and conquered the colony they were living in, humans in these settlements either rushed out or were killed or captivated.
          Those who were captivated were bitten and thus got infected, some of those under captivity who were biologically better and were not infected were enslaved and sold, some of these slaves survived for generations without being infected and some slaves got infected latter.
          Now all these Sick humans were perfect Cawolmen and all old/new Cawolmen clubbed together and attacked another civilization.
          Before Societies realized and were ready with remedy Camewolman did their act.
          Societies and countries have also got rid of them in past.

          Once Cawolman is treated it may also become human even better human again.

          There are many threats and from different corners as there are many diseases and all are dangerous; but not equally.
          Don’t mix muscle pull, with AIDS.

          The vaccine against this disease was developed by Crusaders earlier and later by Tribals, Rajputs, Jats in India, the latest therapy was developed by Sikhs. The formula is already there, only we need to clear dust from our old books and study them. Bit R&D is also required and synergy of West and Sikhs may be useful.
          Regards,
          yours infidel friend.

  13. September 17, 2011 at 12:21 pm

    Jaam’e Masjid Bellmore-

    I have read and re-read your replieslooking for answers. Again I see NO answers. Let me remind you and the readers of an original paragraph you wrote:

    For American Muslims, post 9/11 gave rise to Islamophobia, suspicion, interrogation, harassment, hate crime, and political and religious figures peddling anti-Islamic rhetoric; in many ways, the whole community felt excluded of American society.

    First hate crimes against American Muslims are far less likely that hate crimes against Jewish Americans, but that is an entirely different debate.

    Second, as a Christian Pastor, obviously I would like to see all Muslims accept Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior. So as a Pastor trying to Minister to Muslims, trying to share The TRUTH of Jesus Christ with them I am sure I say things that offend Immam’s just as Immam’s say things that offend me as a Pastor and as a Christian. There is nothing we can do about that.

    Third, as with every Immam I have ever debated. As with every DEVOUT Muslim I have ever debated you have refused to answer 10 basic yes or no questions. If you or other American Muslims wish to remove suspicion you must be willing to openly, honestly answer questions. There is nothing complicated or difficult about the questions I and many other Americans of all Faiths have asked.

    Answer not with lies, double talk etc.. simple answers to simple questions. The ONLY question you half way answered was on The Holy Trinity, I don’t like your answer about that, just as you wouldn’t like mine. Thats ok, its an answer so we can debate, you answered NO other question.

    When you either can’t or refuse to answer a simple question like does Israel have a right to exist with a simple yes or no, how can you expect Americans to not be suspicious?

    Since an estimated 80% of the Mosque’s in the U.S. are Sunni, and The Reliance of the Traveller is approved by the leading Sunni Muslim University in the world as the Sharia Law manual you should be able to answer that question with a simple yes or no. The American people, if you have the right to ask them to not be suspicious, have the right to ask that question and have you provide a simple answer. Taking the PARABLE in Luke 19 out of context is not answering a simple question.

    Part of your REPLY to questions 4-9:

    Regarding, beating of women, child brides, sex slaves, honor killings have nothing to do Islam. Many of such customs, traditions and rituals are unfortunately carried out even in these modern times are part of culture and tradition that existed since the pre-Islamic era and practiced by Muslim and non-Muslims. There are daily 100s of cases of women being abused, raped, trafficked, and beaten even in the most, so-called, civil and modern societies/countries including North America and Europe. These are Global issues NOT purely an Islamic problem.

    More: http://womeninislam.ws/en/

    http://www.islam-guide.com/ch3-13-1.htm

    http://www.beconvinced.com/archive/en/article.php?articleid=0123&catid=10&subcatname=Woman%20In%20Islam

    I NEVER said it was PURELY an Islamic problem. Unfortunatly raping and abusing women and children happens everywhere. Islam is the ONLY Religion I know of whose “Holy Books” condone it, and in some instances command it. Sharia is the ONLY law I know of that ALLOWS it!

    Don’t try playing the “victim card” when you aren’t prepared to give honest simple questions with honest simple answers.

    Reverend Dan

    • eib
      September 18, 2011 at 8:24 am

      91% of honor killings worldwide happen to Muslim women.
      So yes, one can argue that it’s “cultural”, being such does not excuse it ethically. The practice is despicable, evil, wrong, unjust, and those who conspire to do these and do them should all be behind bars.
      If you pair the practices of honor killing, wife-beating and child marriage with the dictates from the scriptures of Islam, all of them achieve a certain validation– they are reinforced by this profane book.
      Ye shall judge them by their fruits.
      Thus a “cultural practice” becomes the fruit of Islam.
      91% is more than substantial as a majority– it is overwhelming.

      • eib
        September 18, 2011 at 8:28 am

        The 91% figure is from Robert Spencer, Jihad Watch. I take him seriously as a social soientist, he is not an ideologue.

    • September 18, 2011 at 8:40 am

      Sorry, ” Don’t try playing the “victim card” when you aren’t prepared to give honest simple questions with honest simple answers.” was meant to be- Don’t try playing the “victim card” when you aren’t prepared to give honest simple answers to honest simple questions.0- – I guess I need to have someone start proof-reading my comments 🙂

    • Ravi Ranjan Singh Panth Bharti
      September 19, 2011 at 3:09 am

      Yes it is Global problem because Jihadis and Cawolman are spread all over.
      Big difference is rape is a must ingredient of Doctrine of Death Cult, whereas Religions and Dharmas condemn it.

    • Ravi Ranjan Singh Panth Bharti
      September 19, 2011 at 3:12 am

      CAMEWOLMANS!

      Who are Camewolman? Do you know?

      Around 1400 years back some kind of epidemic broke out. Some Camel Raisers use to rape Camels in their loneliness. Out of this unnatural act some viral disease developed, that affected the IQ of its Victims.
      As the victims of microbe i.e. rapists were human beings, so they naturally looked like any other human and biologically/technically/legally they were humans, but with effect of this disease their IQ level dropped to level of Camel they raped. So they became Cameluns, having body of human and mind of camel they became obsolete, they could neither survive as human nor camel, so as per theory of adaptation they adapted new qualities, they developed traits of Wolf, its attacking and all other beastly habits, thus they became CAMWOLMAN, this was an important turning point, with wolf smartness and human looks they easily entered human settlements deceptively and stayed there and at appropriate time attacked and conquered the colony they were living in, humans in these settlements either rushed out or were killed or captivated.
      Those who were captivated were bitten and thus got infected, some of those under captivity who were biologically better and were not infected were enslaved and sold, some of these slaves survived for generations without being infected and some slaves got infected latter.
      Now all these Sick humans were perfect Camewolmans and all old/new Camewolmans clubbed togather and attacked another civilization.
      Before Societies realized and were ready with remedy Camewolman did their act.
      Societies and countries have also got rid of them in past.

      Once Camewolman is treated it may also become human even better human again.

      There are many threats and from different corners as there are many diseases and all are dangerous; but not equally.
      Don’t mix muscle pull with AIDS.

      The vaccine against this disease was developed by Crusaders earlier and later by Tribals, Rajputs, Jats in India, the latest therapy was developed by Sikhs. The formula is already there, only we need to clear dust from our old books and study them. Bit R&D is also required and synergy of West and Sikhs may be useful.

    • September 23, 2011 at 9:42 pm

      Dan, you obviously refuse the truth, most Nations who still practice honor killings, wont allow those practices to be public, nor allow them to be filmed, most refuse to allow foreign journalist, because they know what the rest of the world would say, and you believing in the lies told you by muslims, make you look like a fool, and you have no credibility to speak on behalf of Islam, or muslims….you simply refuse to see the truth.

      • September 24, 2011 at 5:53 am

        Chief, please re-read my comment. You and I are in agreement. I think you read a part where I was quoting the Mosque’s response to refute it. If it wasn’t clear enough I apologize. I assure you I’m not falling for the lies. I think you know me better than that by now 😉

  14. September 17, 2011 at 7:17 pm

    Jesus told us of false religions to come and they would claim to be the true religion.He Warned us not to accept their fate or beliefs for they are false and go against the will of God. The words spoken by Muslims can not be believed because they think Islam is the only way and we have been warned not to accept the false teachings that come after Jesus claiming to be the truth. Listen to these warnings now for time is short and the Hour is nearer than you can foresee.

    • dsesertscout
      September 30, 2011 at 12:51 pm

      There is a spark of truth in the Qur’an, yet most Muslims remain blind to the message.

      http://www.cmje.org/religious-texts/quran/verses/003-qmt.php

      In Surah 3 Muhammad references the B’rit Hadashah (New Testament) in three versions of the Qur’an below.

      Surah 3

      003.042
      YUSUFALI: Behold! the angels said: “O Mary! Allah hath chosen thee and purified thee- chosen thee above the women of all nations.
      PICKTHAL: And when the angels said: O Mary! Lo! Allah hath chosen thee and made thee pure, and hath preferred thee above (all) the women of creation.
      SHAKIR: And when the angels said: O Marium! surely Allah has chosen you and purified you and chosen you above the women of of the world.

      ** Muhammad recites angels in all three above translations of the Qur’an, However, Luke 1:26 declares that Gabriel was sent to Marium. Since Muhammad claimed that his angelic messenger was also Gabriel, one would think that Gabriel would have remembered that fact and given the recitation as ‘Gabriel’ no matter how many other angels were present at the time of the announcement. Oops. **

      003.045
      YUSUFALI: Behold! the angels said: “O Mary! Allah giveth thee glad tidings of a Word from Him: his name will be Christ Jesus, the son of Mary, held in honour in this world and the Hereafter and of (the company of) those nearest to Allah;
      PICKTHAL: (And remember) when the angels said: O Mary! Lo! Allah giveth thee glad tidings of a word from him, whose name is the Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary, illustrious in the world and the Hereafter, and one of those brought near (unto Allah).
      SHAKIR: When the angels said: O Marium, surely Allah gives you good news with a Word from Him (of one) whose name is the ‘. Messiah, Isa son of Marium, worthy of regard in this world and the hereafter and of those who are made near (to Allah).

      ** Muhammad apparently uses the Greek rendering here as Jesus instead of the Hebrew rendering of Yeshua (salvation), however the above renderings also state that He was the Christ or Messiah (or anointed one). Isa is the Islamic rendering of a false Messiah that did not die upon the Roman execution stake. Evidently, Islam’s allah made Judas look like Yeshua, and Judas was crucified instead. The false Islamic Isa (false messiah) will return around the time of the appearance of the Mahdi and claim that he was never crucified and that he is not the son of god. This in effect makes Islam’s allah out to be more of a trickster and charlatan like Loki of Norse mythology. Well, allah is one of the fallen principalities, and therefore a false and pagan deity. **

      003.047
      YUSUFALI: She said: “O my Lord! How shall I have a son when no man hath touched me?” He said: “Even so: Allah createth what He willeth: When He hath decreed a plan, He but saith to it, ‘Be,’ and it is!
      PICKTHAL: She said: My Lord! How can I have a child when no mortal hath touched me? He said: So (it will be). Allah createth what He will. If He decreeth a thing, He saith unto it only: Be! and it is.
      SHAKIR: She said: My Lord! when shall there be a son (born) to I me, and man has not touched me? He said: Even so, Allah creates what He pleases; when He has decreed a matter, He only says to it, Be, and it is.

      ** The Qur’an appears to confirm that Marium’s conception would be a miracle of God. **

      003.048
      YUSUFALI: “And Allah will teach him the Book and Wisdom, the Law and the Gospel,
      PICKTHAL: And He will teach him the Scripture and wisdom, and the Torah and the Gospel,
      SHAKIR: And He will teach him the Book and the wisdom and the Tavrat and the Injeel.

      ** Yeshua was a Torah observant Jew, and He taught out of the Torah/Tanakh. The Gospel/Injeel did not yet exist. Oops, again!!! **

      003.049
      YUSUFALI: “And (appoint him) a messenger to the Children of Israel, (with this message): “‘I have come to you, with a Sign from your Lord, in that I make for you out of clay, as it were, the figure of a bird, and breathe into it, and it becomes a bird by Allah’s leave: And I heal those born blind, and the lepers, and I quicken the dead, by Allah’s leave; and I declare to you what ye eat, and what ye store in your houses. Surely therein is a Sign for you if ye did believe;
      PICKTHAL: And will make him a messenger unto the Children of Israel, (saying): Lo! I come unto you with a sign from your Lord. Lo! I fashion for you out of clay the likeness of a bird, and I breathe into it and it is a bird, by Allah’s leave. I heal him who was born blind, and the leper, and I raise the dead, by Allah’s leave. And I announce unto you what ye eat and what ye store up in your houses. Lo! herein verily is a portent for you, if ye are to be believers.
      SHAKIR: And (make him) a messenger to the children of Israel: That I have come to you with a sign from your Lord, that I determine for you out of dust like the form of a bird, then I breathe into it and it becomes a bird with Allah’s permission and I heal the blind and the leprous, and bring the dead to life with Allah’s permission and I inform you of what you should eat and what you should store in your houses; most surely there is a sign in this for you, if you are believers.

      ** Muhammad makes reference to questionable ‘other gospel’ accounts (considered to be heretical) that tell the tale of Yeshua as a young child. Yeshua breathes life into the clay bird; the creating of life is an act which the Qur’an claims in other Surahs that only True Deity can perform. The Muslim apologetic would be the caveat that all was done with ‘allah’s permission.’ So why wasn’t Muhammad granted such an honor??? The verse also speaks of Yeshua’s miracles during His earthly ministry. Even though Muhammad performed no miracles during his lifetime, Muslims still proclaim that Muhammad is allah’s greatest and last prophet. It seems that gentile prophets are always the best of the worst, or the cream of the crud. This is another proof that the pagan deity, allah, is not the same Deity as that of the Sinai (Mosaic) Covenant, Adonai (HaShem). From these verses in the third Surah, we see that Yeshua was far superior to Muhammad in every way. Since Joseph is not mentioned, the Muslim slur of Jesus bar Joseph is refuted, and since only Mary (Marium) is mentioned in 3:47; one may rightfully deduce that the anointed one was indeed ‘The Only Begotten of the Father’ through the power of the Ruach HaCodesh, and that Muhammad’s failure to recognize this fact clouds the claim that he was a true prophet. Add to this the problem encountered when Muhammad gave the recitations known as ‘The Satanic Verses’ in Surah 53, and Muhammad’s prophetic claims seem even more credulous. Compare this to the temptation of Yeshua in Matt. 4, and one sees that the ministry of the Messiah far exceeded that of Muhammad on yet another level. **

      The miracles of Yeshua are reiterated in Surah 5.

      005.110
      YUSUFALI: Then will Allah say: “O Jesus the son of Mary! Recount My favour to thee and to thy mother. Behold! I strengthened thee with the holy spirit, so that thou didst speak to the people in childhood and in maturity. Behold! I taught thee the Book and Wisdom, the Law and the Gospel and behold! thou makest out of clay, as it were, the figure of a bird, by My leave, and thou breathest into it and it becometh a bird by My leave, and thou healest those born blind, and the lepers, by My leave. And behold! thou bringest forth the dead by My leave. And behold! I did restrain the Children of Israel from (violence to) thee when thou didst show them the clear Signs, and the unbelievers among them said: ‘This is nothing but evident magic.’
      PICKTHAL: When Allah saith: O Jesus, son of Mary! Remember My favour unto thee and unto thy mother; how I strengthened thee with the holy Spirit, so that thou spakest unto mankind in the cradle as in maturity; and how I taught thee the Scripture and Wisdom and the Torah and the Gospel; and how thou didst shape of clay as it were the likeness of a bird by My permission, and didst blow upon it and it was a bird by My permission, and thou didst heal him who was born blind and the leper by My permission; and how thou didst raise the dead by My permission; and how I restrained the Children of Israel from (harming) thee when thou camest unto them with clear proofs, and those of them who disbelieved exclaimed: This is naught else than mere magic;
      SHAKIR: When Allah will say: O Isa son of Marium! Remember My favor on you and on your mother, when I strengthened you I with the holy Spirit, you spoke to the people in the cradle and I when of old age, and when I taught you the Book and the wisdom and the Taurat and the Injeel; and when you determined out of clay a thing like the form of a bird by My permission, then you breathed into it and it became a bird by My permission, and you healed the blind and the leprous by My permission; and when you brought forth the dead by My permission; and when I withheld the children of Israel from you when you came to them with clear arguments, but those who disbelieved among them said: This is nothing but clear enchantment.

      ** Not only was Yeshua the Messiah predicted to be greater than Moses; even the Qur’an shows that He was far greater than Muhammad. **

      Muslims can continue to claim that Adonai doesn’t have a Son, but many Muslims in the Middle East are currently finding salvation in the very person of the (Jewish) Messiah, Yeshua; the Only Begotten of the Most High, Adonai Tzva’ot!!!

      Rev Dan … keep up the good fight!!!

      I apologize for the length of this post. ds

      • September 30, 2011 at 4:42 pm

        DS- Thank you for your post, I hope you don’t mind but I saved it for future reference. It seems I learn something every time you or eib post on LW.

        • desertscout
          September 30, 2011 at 5:05 pm

          Help yourself!!! Just trying to be a part of the ‘Infidel Team.’ 🙂

  15. Ravi Ranjan Singh Panth Bharti
    September 19, 2011 at 11:00 am

    Business Proposal through this article.
    There is acute shortage of Zoos, If you invest and start private Zoo,you can get excellent gains.
    Tourists world over will visit, if you keep CAMWOLMAN.
    Do it before competitors step in.
    —-

    CAMEWOLMANS!

    Who are Camewolman? Do you know?

    Around 1400 years back some kind of epidemic broke out. Some Camel Raisers use to rape Camels in their loneliness. Out of this unnatural act some viral disease developed, that affected the IQ of its Victims.
    As the victims of microbe i.e. rapists were human beings, so they naturally looked like any other human and biologically/technically/legally they were humans, but with effect of this disease their IQ level dropped to level of Camel they raped. So they became Cameluns, having body of human and mind of camel they became obsolete, they could neither survive as human nor camel, so as per theory of adaptation they adapted new qualities, they developed traits of Wolf, its attacking and all other beastly habits, thus they became CAMWOLMAN, this was an important turning point, with wolf smartness and human looks they easily entered human settlements deceptively and stayed there and at appropriate time attacked and conquered the colony they were living in, humans in these settlements either rushed out or were killed or captivated.
    Those who were captivated were bitten and thus got infected, some of those under captivity who were biologically better and were not infected were enslaved and sold, some of these slaves survived for generations without being infected and some slaves got infected latter.
    Now all these Sick humans were perfect Camewolmans and all old/new Camewolmans clubbed togather and attacked another civilization.
    Before Societies realized and were ready with remedy Camewolman did their act.
    Societies and countries have also got rid of them in past.

    Once Camewolman is treated it may also become human even better human again.

    There are many threats and from different corners as there are many diseases and all are dangerous; but not equally.
    Don’t mix muscle pull with AIDS.

    The vaccine against this disease was developed by Crusaders earlier and later by Tribals, Rajputs, Jats in India, the latest therapy was developed by Sikhs. The formula is already there, only we need to clear dust from our old books and study them. Bit R&D is also required and synergy of West and Sikhs may be useful.

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