WEAK Vatican Reaches out to “Muslim Friends” for Help to Promote Religion!

Over and over I have posted about Christians who have bowed down to Islam. A religion/ideology that calls for the dominance over them.

Koran verse 009.029
YUSUFALI: Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.

Now unfortunately even more powerful Christians have joined the I love Islam list. In a complete state of weakness, the Vatican has reached out to their “Muslim friends” in an effort to fight secularism. I could understand the Vatican wanting to fight secularism, but this is clear promotion of Islam, and a sign of weakness.

Hat tip to Damien.

PONTIFICAL COUNCIL
FOR INTERRELIGIOUS DIALOGUE
MESSAGE FOR THE END OF RAMADAN
‘Id al-Fitr 1432 H. / 2011 A.D.

Christians and Muslims: Working together for mankind’s spiritual dimension

Vatican City

Dear Muslim friends,

1. The end of the month of Ramadan offers the Pontifical Council for Interreligious Dialogue a welcome occasion for sending you our most cordialwishes, hoping that the efforts you have so generously made during this month will bring all the desired spiritual fruits.

2. This year, we have thought to give priority to the theme of the spiritual dimension of the human person. This concerns a reality which Christians and Muslims consider to be of prime importance, faced as we are with the challenges of materialism and secularisation. The relationship that every humanperson has with the transcendent is not a moment in history, but is part of human nature. We do not believe in fate; we are convinced – moreover it is our experience – that God guides us on our path!

Which God would that be? The God of Christianity, or the one of Islam who calls for the ultimate destruction of Christianity?

Bukhari Volume 4, Book 55, Number 657:
Narrated Abu Huraira:

Allah’s Apostle said, “By Him in Whose Hands my soul is, surely (Jesus,) the son of Mary will soon descend amongst you and will judge mankind justly (as a Just Ruler); he will break the Cross and kill the pigs and there will be no Jizya (i.e. taxation taken from non Muslims). Money will be in abundance so that nobody will accept it, and a single prostration to Allah (in prayer) will be better than the whole world and whatever is in it.” Abu Huraira added “If you wish, you can recite (this verse of the Holy Book): — ‘And there is none Of the people of the Scriptures (Jews and Christians) But must believe in him (i.e Jesus as an Apostle of Allah and a human being) Before his death. And on the Day of Judgment He will be a witness Against them.” (4.159) (See Fateh Al Bari, Page 302 Vol 7)

Back to the dhimmican.

3. Christians and Muslims, beyond their differences, recognise the dignity of the human person endowed with both rights and duties. They think thatintelligence and freedom are indeed gifts which must impel believers to recognise these values which are shared because they rest on the same human nature.

This letter was written by Jean-Louis Cardinal Tauran, President of the Pontifical Council for Interreligious Dialogue. Has he actually studied Islam? Did he miss this class?

Muslim Hadith Book 019, Number 4366:
It has been narrated by ‘Umar b. al-Khattib that he heard the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) say: I will expel the Jews and Christians from the Arabian Peninsula and will not leave any but Muslim.

You know what Jean-Louis? Muslims are doing a great job at that, and instead of fighting back, you are looking to join forces with them and help promote Islam. Did your God tell you to promote other religions?

4. This is why the transmission of such human and moral values to the younger generations constitutes a common concern. It is our duty to help them discover that there is both good and evil, that conscience is a sanctuary to berespected, and that cultivating the spiritual dimension makes us more responsible, more supportive, more available for the common good.

Moral values? The role model for Muslims was a liar, rapist, slave owner, and warmonger. Like I asked before. Have you actually studied Islam?

5. Christians and Muslims are too often witnesses to the violation of the sacred, of the mistrust of which those who call themselves believers are the target. We cannot but denounce all forms of fanaticism and intimidation, the prejudices and the polemics, as well as the discrimination of which, at times, believers are the object both in the social and political life as well as in the mass media.

OK Jean, you start by denouncing Mohammad for being a fanatic and intimidator…

Bukhari Hadith Volume 1, Book 8, Number 387:
Narrated Anas bin Malik:

Allah’s Apostle said, “I have been ordered to fight the people till they say: ‘None has the right to be worshipped but Allah.’ And if they say so, pray like our prayers, face our Qibla and slaughter as we slaughter, then their blood and property will be sacred to us and we will not interfere with them except legally and their reckoning will be with Allah.” Narrated Maimun ibn Siyah that he asked Anas bin Malik, “O Abu Hamza! What makes the life and property of a person sacred?” He replied, “Whoever says, ‘None has the right to be worshipped but Allah’, faces our Qibla during the prayers, prays like us and eats our slaughtered animal, then he is a Muslim, and has got the same rights and obligations as other Muslims have.”

6. We are spiritually very close to you, dear Friends, asking God to give you renewed spiritual energy and we send you our very best wishes for peace and happiness.

No you are not, I have already proven that. Once again, which God Jean? Please be specific. You sending your best to Muslims, is the equivalent of Jews sending their best to Nazis in hope of peace. It will not work. You would think after all this time, the Vatican would have figured that out. YOU are in a position of leadership, act like one!

Jean-Louis Cardinal Tauran President
Archbishop Pier Luigi Celata

SecretaryPONTIFICAL COUNCIL
FOR INTERRELIGIOUS DIALOGUE
00120 Vatican City
Telephone: 0039.06.6988 4321 / 06.6988 3648
Fax: 0039.06.6988 4494
E-mail: dialogo@interrel.va

http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/pontifical_councils/interelg/index_it.htm

Link to Letter

117 comments for “WEAK Vatican Reaches out to “Muslim Friends” for Help to Promote Religion!

  1. Jean Lockyer
    September 6, 2011 at 10:59 pm

    Islam will never work with Christianity. They are determined to destroy all those who are not Muslim. Mohammad conquered with the sword and his followers murder in the name of God. This religion is blatantly Satanic!

  2. Damien
    September 7, 2011 at 12:46 am

    Admin,

    “Which God would that be? The God of Christianity, or the one of Islam who calls for the ultimate destruction of Islam?”

    You mean “the ultimate destruction of Christianity?”

    • admin
      September 7, 2011 at 3:28 am

      Yes Damien, thanks for catching that!

      • Tonto
        September 7, 2011 at 6:38 am

        Personally, I think you were right the first time. The rule of the world, codified and explained by Darwin, is “Adapt or die” and islam does a piss-poor job of that. Islam is actually doomed by it’s own stupidity and ignorance. They may be here, and they make a lot of noise, but the TRUTH of the West will triumph. In main stream western life, secular thought is paramount and religion secondary and private. In islam, that way of life is reversed. The problem with islam is that islam forces it’s societies to drag their feet and are held back by islam through lies and ignorance. Two generations from now islam will be relegated to the dust bin of history and not exist as an entity or it will be completely reformed. The human spirit in islamic slaves has been awakened….and they want freedom. Take a good look at what is happening in the M/E. They’re tired of the bullshit and have figured out the lies. The islamics MAY achieve some acendancy for a while….but they WILL fall.

      • Damien
        September 7, 2011 at 7:47 am

        Admin,

        You’re Welcome.

  3. Mullah Lodabullah
    September 7, 2011 at 1:28 am

    The Vatican is playing the harlot with a false god, and will suffer terrible consequences if it does not change course (Revelation 17 / 18).

    More harlotry, this time in the Australian Catholic University, complete with the shahada on Youtube:

    http://www.acu.edu.au/about_acu/faculties_schools_institutes_centres/faculties/theology_and_philosophy/the_public_square/econferences/

    • eib
      September 7, 2011 at 5:59 am

      Harlotry is an excellent word to describe “interfaith gathering” in a Christian context.

    • christine
      September 7, 2011 at 10:24 am

      It seems like ACU is another catholic-in-name-only school. Like many in the West, they have been hijacked by the leftist-marxist-secularists and bear no semblence of authentic catholicism. There are only about ten universities and colleges in the U.S. that have taken the “mandatum” to remain true to the church’s teachings without compromise. The others refused. This present pope is currently working to,in effect, strip them of their flagrant use of “catholic identity” when in fact they are not truly catholic. Magdelene College in NH, St. Thomas Aquinas in Palo Alto, CA, and Franciscan University in Steubenville OH are a few that took the mandatum, I can’t think of the others off the top of my head but they can be found on the internet. I doubt very much that they would ever host islamic conferences on their campuses, thank God. “Ex corde ecclesia” (From the heart of the church) is the pope’s apostolic letter to catholic schools of higher learning, it is worth a read.

    • eib
      September 8, 2011 at 4:24 am

      Quote:
      For Catholics, Nostra aetate, a key document of the Second Vatican Council (from 28 October 1965), urged Catholics and Muslims to “train themselves towards mutual understanding and together maintain and promote social justice and moral values as well as peace and freedom for all people.” Other Christian churches have also made great advances in their friendly relations with Muslims over the past fifty years.
      end

      Every area of discussion except for one is about Islam. Interfaith? Really?
      I don’t think so.
      Nostra Aetate is not Christian doctrine.
      It is a document whose authority has worn thin by way of time and circumstances.
      A resolute and defensive statement is necessary in these times.
      Like multiculturalism, Nostra Aetate is another idea that taps hollow with time.
      It has lost its authority.

  4. luchadora41
    September 7, 2011 at 2:26 am

    This doesn’t surprise me about the Vatican, but it does disgust me. The Vatican has already broken two Commandments; they worship false idols and they changed the Sabbath, but to do this shows how low they will stoop to avoid controversy and keep their pockets lined. We will all answer to God one day, and religious leaders who lead their sheep astray will have much to explain on Judgment Day.

  5. mfrass
    September 7, 2011 at 5:07 am

    Hasn’t anyone heard of ChrIslam? Check out olivetreeviews.org lots of information about it. Radio archives…btw, very conservative.

  6. Robin Shadowes
    September 7, 2011 at 5:17 am

    I thought the Bible warned it’s believers for false prophets? And there is no one more false than mahound himself.

  7. Stephanie
    September 7, 2011 at 5:39 am

    Logan,

    Keep preaching! I think we as Christians, have become used to preachers/denominations “tickling our ears” with what we want to hear – not what WE NEED TO HEAR. I don’t have much of anything nice to say about Catholicism – and this is just another reason I am grateful and blessed beyond measure, that I am no longer a Catholic.

    Hopefully, people will get the stuffing out of their ears, but somehow, being a realist, I realize that that will never happen.

  8. eib
    September 7, 2011 at 6:03 am

    The Vatican is weak, and it is weak because it refuses to study Christian doctrine and appreciate its coherence on the issues of false propheteering, the threat of Islam, and the history of how this threat of destruction has been carried out and frustrated by the West.
    Christian doctrine and tradition are strong and coherent enough to stand against the onslaught of Islam. Islam, it must be reinforced, is not more holy than Christianity, indeed, Islam is profane by any respectable authority of Christian tradition.
    These are the facts and they cannot be ignored.
    Christianity is completely defensible.
    And even where Christians are killed in the name of the faith, it becomes more so.
    If you believe that the kingdom of Christ is indeed a spiritual kingdom, then you understand that any suffering or death is worth such a reward.

    • eib
      September 7, 2011 at 6:05 am

      The first Christians knew this.
      From what I see, the Vatican has forgotten it entirely.

  9. eib
    September 7, 2011 at 6:07 am

    It must be made very clear– the Vatican is not promoting “religion”.
    It is, in fact, destroying Christianity.

  10. eib
    September 7, 2011 at 6:09 am

    Quote:
    This concerns a reality which Christians and Muslims consider to be of prime importance, faced as we are with the challenges of materialism and secularisation.
    end

    So this is your common ground, your Holiness?
    Then I’m under the impression that your commitment to Islam is a long-term one. If I were you, I’d say the Shahada and get it all ower with. You have truly submitted.

    • Damien
      September 7, 2011 at 8:44 am

      EIB,

      This will probably upset some people here, but I’m a secularist, so I don’t like it when any religion tries to merge itself with the state. Secularism, as it is understood by people like myself does not mean the elimination of all religion from society. Supporting it doesn’t make you an atheists, in fact I personally believe in God. It really doesn’t make sense for reasonable Christians to be more afraid of secularists, than Islamists, given the fact that secularism doesn’t call for persecuting or subjugation any religion, including Christianity.

      • savvy
        September 7, 2011 at 9:00 am

        Damien,

        This is not true. There are very militant secularists.

        • Damien
          September 7, 2011 at 9:12 am

          Savvy,

          What do you mean by militant? If you consider things like opposing government sanctioned prayer in schools to be militant, than yes secularists, including myself are militant, but that doesn’t really sound that intolerant does it? I mean, its not like they can’t still pray in schools, they just can’t have government sanction for their religion.

          • savvy
            September 7, 2011 at 9:33 am

            Damien,

            That’s not what I am talking about. I am talking about real attacks on churches in Europe. Spitting on Christians in public.

            Not minor issues.

          • Damien
            September 7, 2011 at 9:49 am

            savvy,

            Regardless of any attacks on Churches by non Christians, even secularists, secularism does not call for it. Yes, there have even been secular regimes, that have persecuted Christians, but unlike Islam, there’s nothing in secularism, that calls for suppressing any religion. I feel bad for Christians who have their churches destroyed, or are persecuted by anyone. However, just because some secularists persecute people of faith doesn’t mean that secularism leads to or condones persecution.

          • savvy
            September 7, 2011 at 3:17 pm

            Damien,

            I understand what you’re saying, but I don’t think we fully understand, what we are dealing with here.

            Chesterton called Islam , “the biggest theist heresy”

            It took the combined strength of both Catholic and Orthodox churches to kick them out of Europe.

            This can only happen ,when Christians regain their sense of lost identity.

  11. Anne
    September 7, 2011 at 6:57 am

    Thanks Chris for including the email to the Vatican interreligious dept. I wrote a very brief, polite response simply stating that there is no respect for human dignity in Islam, especially for women, that the muslim meaning of the term “believers” is not the meaning we ascribe to it, but rather refers to slaves of Allah.

    And finally, that the Coptic Christians of Egypt and all Christians in muslim majority countries are painfully aware that there is NO similarity between worship of allah and worship of God.

    Thanks Chris for the info!

    • admin
      September 7, 2011 at 9:46 am

      Your are welcome Anne!

  12. eib
    September 7, 2011 at 7:58 am

    Here is my own letter to the same office:

    Dear Sir,
    Christian authorities have no business issuing an Eid al-Fitr statement. Christians are not Muslims. Period.
    I will not honor those who worship profanely; and I will not take part in any interfaith activity that undermines the doctrines of
    1. the Incarnation,
    2. Salvation and Redemption through
    3. the Crucifixion and
    4. Resurrection of Christ, and
    5. the Blessed Trinity.
    I refuse to dishonor the Virgin Mary by giving ear and credit to those who refuse to acknowledge that she was
    1. The Mother of God, and
    2. descended from David of Judah.
    To me, these things are dogma and beyond question.

    Islam is not the vine of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit.
    Allah is not my god. If anything, allah is a demon bent on my destruction.
    Islam is profane.
    Mohammed is a false prophet.
    Allah is an elemental spirit of the earth.
    The Quran is not holy.
    You have no business treating profane things as if they were holy and profaning genuinely holy things.
    To me, these matters are also dogma and beyond question.
    I do not honor allah, I do not honor his prophet.
    I believe in the Son of God.
    end

    • Anne
      September 7, 2011 at 8:04 am

      eib, that is fantastic!

      • eib
        September 7, 2011 at 8:24 am

        In 1965, most Muslims did not live very close to the Vatican. Most were not engaged in terrorism.
        There was very, very little to fear from Islam because Muslims had been cowed.
        Now Islam is aggressive, on the move, militant, cruel, and bloody.
        And Now they retreat into Nostra Aetate, they do not view it as a vehicle for dialogue, they view it as a way of keeping their heads tomorrow.
        The Church of the Nativity in Bethlehem was occupied by Muslims and desecrated– IN THE LAST 10 YEARS.
        In Avignon, a Catholic Church has been desecrated repeatedly by Muslims.
        Muslims are demanding the use of the church at Cordoba with the intention of making it back into a mosque.
        What do we say?
        It’s yours, take it?– but please let us live?
        Muslims do not worship God, and as a result, they profane everything they touch. It is all root, branch, and fruit of the poisonous tree.
        The Vatican, for the sake of “religion” in the secular society, is choking itself on the Muslim weed.

        • savvy
          September 7, 2011 at 9:05 am

          Eib,

          Churches have also been desecrated by atheist groups.

          Please this.

          http://www.intoleranceagainstchristians.eu/search-cases/search-results/case/attacks-on-the-parish-church-of-navalcarnero-madrid.html

          • eib
            September 7, 2011 at 9:32 am

            Atheists did not stuff Bragadin’s skin and parade it in the streets.
            Atheists did not engage in genocide against the Armenians and Greeks on the basis of religion and culture.
            Atheists did not bomb Christian churches in Baghdad and Egypt.
            Atheists have not killed and dislocated Christians en masse in Nigeria.
            Atheists have not forced people to “covert” or “revert” to anything.
            To hold atheism in contempt will cost you nothing.
            To hold Islam in contempt, to say it is profane, could cost you your head.
            Obviously, you are not willing to risk anything because you choose the weaker enemy.

          • savvy
            September 7, 2011 at 9:36 am

            Eib,

            Marxists atheist killed more than a 100 million people in the 21st century.

            Just ask the Russian Orthodox church.

          • savvy
            September 7, 2011 at 9:42 am

            I not talking about all atheists, but Marxism and Communism have always been equally as anti-Christian as Islam.

      • Stars
        September 7, 2011 at 10:09 am

        Yes, beautifully said!!

    • eib
      September 7, 2011 at 8:17 am

      I guess what I’m asking is this:
      what is Christian doctrine?
      Nostra Aetate or the lists I made above?
      The way I see it, these internal doctrines are far more important to preserve and deliberate– more important to be practiced– than any “interfaith” dialogue.

      • savvy
        September 7, 2011 at 9:02 am

        It does not have to be an either/Or.

        Talking to Islam won’t give up Christian doctrine.

  13. Ravi Ranjan Singh Panth Bharti
    September 7, 2011 at 8:19 am

    God and Allah are words from different languages and culture.
    God is not dependent on how people of different languages address it.
    How they worship, the god will be there even when these languages perish, and was there even before these word ‘God’ or ‘Allah’ and their source language was there.
    There is no Clash between God and Allah.
    Clash is between a mindset which incidentally call it Allah but is a barbarian mind set.
    Even if they call it God they will still rape in name of God.
    People with Humanity even if call God by some other name will act godly as true Jews, Christians,Hindus/Sikhs, Zoroastrians do.

  14. savvy
    September 7, 2011 at 8:19 am

    Catholics are fully aware that Islam is not Christianity has has some serious theological differences. But, we cannot keep fighting over theology.

    There will be no end to this.

    It’s a fact that political Islam is supported by the Liberal Left who are anti-Christian too.

    We have a two-fold threat.

    That being said, Muslims are not waging a war on Catholic schools forcing them to teach gay sex. Forcing abortion on Catholic hospitals. It’s the Liberal left that is.

    • eib
      September 7, 2011 at 8:30 am

      Quote:
      But, we cannot keep fighting over theology.
      end

      There is no fight going on over theology.
      Christian theology is mostly set, and either it’s adhered to or strayed from.
      Doctrine is infinitely more important, and more profound, than practice.
      It is on doctrinal and theological grounds that Islam is discredited.

      • savvy
        September 7, 2011 at 8:32 am

        Nobody is bowing to Muslim theology.

        I agree that dialogue with Islam is a waste of time.

  15. Michael Elmore
    September 7, 2011 at 8:20 am

    I am an ex-catholic. Remember the picture back in 1984 where the Pope kisses the Koran and talks about interfaith dialog, and they want to make this man a Saint. I don’t think Jesus meant lie down and give up when he preached love your enemy and turn the other cheek. What do you expect from the same people who didn’t stand up to the Nazis and we saw where that took humanity.It disgusting and the people of the book better wake up fast.It might be believable if the Pope was invited to Saudia Arabia to dedicate the opening of a new church and met with Imams about interfaith dialog. How can this be happening you ask, well we saw the way these celibate men handled the sex scandle, ah, maybe the Cathoic church and Islam do have more in commen than we think..makes me sick.I could go on about what a bunch of pussies and hippocrates the leaders of the Catholic Church are but I think you get the point. I know there are lots of great people that are Catholic but their leadership is leading them down a ugly path. Either we hang together or we’ll hang seperatly at the hands of the people from the religion of peace. Were is Charles Martel when we need him.elmore

    • eib
      September 7, 2011 at 8:28 am

      I know of several Catholics who have converted to the Orthodox faith because in the Orthodox religions, the clergy and worshippers acknowledge outright that Muslims and Christians do not worship the same God.
      And no one is offended.

      • savvy
        September 7, 2011 at 8:30 am

        We are aware that Muslims do not worship Jesus.

        • eib
          September 7, 2011 at 9:33 am

          And who, pray tell, is “we”?

          • savvy
            September 7, 2011 at 9:38 am

            Eib,

            The Church is aware that Muslims do not worship Jesus.

  16. savvy
    September 7, 2011 at 8:22 am

    Elmore,

    Stop with the lies. Islam is not the only threat we face.

    • Michael Elmore
      September 7, 2011 at 8:50 am

      Savvy, I couldn’t agree with you more. It’s the dimmie Christians and secular left that are, in the end, the biggest threat with their complete lack of seeing the existential threat of Islam..have a nice day..elmore

      • savvy
        September 7, 2011 at 9:09 am

        Elmore,

        You should have seen the secularists who were harassing young Catholics in Spain on WYD.

        This was downright evil.

        Islam is not the only threat.

      • Ravi Ranjan Singh Panth Bharti
        September 8, 2011 at 9:53 pm

        Threat to Christianity and Hinduism is common.
        It is right that Dhimmi and left are greater threat to both, but they are treat tool, tool to strengthen rotten ideology, be sure the source that Camwolman is much more dangerous.
        CAMEWOLMANS!

        Who are Camewolman? Why nobody asked it?

        Around 1400 years back some kind of epidemic broke out. Some Camel Raisers use to rape Camels in their loneliness. Out of this unnatural act some viral disease developed, that affected the IQ of its Victims.
        Though the victims were human beings, so they naturally looked like any other human and biologically/technically/legally they were humans, but with effect of this disease their IQ level dropped to level of Camel they raped. So they became Cameluns, having body of human and mind of camel they became obsolete, they could neither survive as human nor camel, so as theory of adaptation they developed tendency of Wolf, its attacking and all other beastly habits, thus they became CAMWOLMAN, this was an important turning point, with wolf smartness and human looks they easily entered human settlements deceptively and stayed there and at appropriate time attacked and conquered the colony they were living in, humans in these settlements either rushed out or were killed or captivated.
        Those who were captivated were bitten and thus got infected, some of those under capitivity who were biologically better and were not infected were enslaved and sold, some of these slaves survived for generations without being infected and some slaves got infected latter.
        Now all these Sick humans were perfect Camewolmans and all old/new Camewolmans clubbed togather and attacked another civilization.
        Before Societies realized and were ready with remedy Camewolman did their act.
        Societies and countries have also got rid of them in past.
        get rid of wolf in your backyard soon.

  17. savvy
    September 7, 2011 at 8:28 am

    Instead of singling out Islam, we need to understand that we are Under attack from ALL sides.

    We need to be wise as serpents and harmless as doves.

    • eib
      September 7, 2011 at 8:33 am

      Really.
      This is a website dedicated to the threat of Islam to the West.
      Since you see it as being so superficial, then I’m under the impression you have decided it is unnecessary to read the Quran, the Sirah and the aHadith.
      I take it you have decided that Reliance of the Traveller is not worth your time.
      Sorry.
      We are not diluting our efforts by focusing broadly.
      The most dangerous threat is the one which deserves the most attention.
      And believe me, if you’ve studied history and theology, then you know it’s Islam.

      • savvy
        September 7, 2011 at 8:38 am

        The West needs a new evangelization, because secularism is not strong enough to combat Islam.

        The only thing that can defeat Islam is MORE Christianity.

        Europe needs to wake up and realize that low-birth rates and getting rid of Christianity is only going to give Islam the upper-hand.

        • eib
          September 7, 2011 at 9:36 am

          The West does indeed need a new evangelical effort by Christians.
          But this effort will take place in the shadow of Islam, and Muslims will threaten and even attack it.
          Their sympathizers will do so, but they will not be brandishing the beheading sickle (you know, the truest emblem Islam has ever had).
          Part of that effort, though, must be to impart the strength of Christian doctrines and their holiness.
          It is this that will discredit Islam and the multicult.

          • savvy
            September 7, 2011 at 9:40 am

            Eib,

            When Christians are dealing with multiple attacks. We just cannot focus on one group.

            This is an all out war.

      • Ravi Ranjan Singh Panth Bharti
        September 8, 2011 at 10:23 pm

        There are many threats and from different corners as there are many diseases and all are dangerous; but not equally.
        Don’t mix muscle pull with AIDS.

  18. Stephanie
    September 7, 2011 at 8:42 am

    I have loved all the comments and dialogue – I think we are being attacked on many sides – as to the one that is the most pressing – I think its Islam at this point – then right up under it we can start a list.

    • savvy
      September 7, 2011 at 8:53 am

      Stephanie,

      The main Man at this time, is the Liberal Left and the Marxist Lobby.

      Political Islam would not have a leg to stand on, if it was not for them.

  19. Jeff Jenkins
    September 7, 2011 at 9:01 am

    In paragraph 841 of the “Catechism of the Catholic Church,” an official Catechism released by the Roman Catholic church, it states the following regarding The Catholic church’s relationship with Muslims:

    “The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind’s judge on the last day.”

    • savvy
      September 7, 2011 at 9:07 am

      Jenkins, It says Muslims claim or profess something.

    • eib
      September 7, 2011 at 9:40 am

      So, are Muslims “first” in the plan of Salvation?
      They acknowledge the “Creator,” but to acknowledge is not to worship.
      They “profess to hold the faith of Abraham” .. how is it that they brutalize Christians and Jews?
      They have no Decalogue.
      They do not profess the Decalogue.
      They do not hold the faith of Abraham.
      “Together with us they adore the one, merciful God … ”
      So am I to say that the Blessed Trinity was just a delusion?
      Is Jesus Christ NOT the Son of God?
      Is Mary the Virgin NOT the Mother of God?
      Really?
      I and many professed Catholics have expressed deep disgust with this part of the Catechism.
      There are many Catholics who repudiate it and speak against it.

      • savvy
        September 7, 2011 at 9:57 am

        Eib,

        It repeats claims made by Muslims themselves.

        As for the plan of salvation all people are part of it.

        Jesus came to redeem all.

        • eib
          September 7, 2011 at 1:59 pm

          If it repeats the claims of Islam, then it has no position.
          And while that may seem like a safe place to be, the fact is that the sword will be at their throats soon enough.
          It is better to take a position now and live or die for it than to have none and live in a neutral fog.
          No wonder secularism is on the rise.

          • savvy
            September 7, 2011 at 4:11 pm

            Do you understand the concept of spiritual warfare?

            Nothing short of an exorcism can deal with this.

            This means a united Christendom once again, Catholic and Orthodox, the two pillars of the church.

            Protestants can’t do this.

          • eib
            September 8, 2011 at 4:12 am

            I know plenty of Protestants who understand how dangerous the threat of Islam is.
            I also know that Muslims exploited the Wars of Religion to their advantage, and that some of their bitterest campaigns in Europe were fought during and just afterward.
            The West just managed to turn them back.
            Spiritual warfare?
            No. I’m not a priest. I don’t understand spiritual warfare.
            I do understand that spiritual weapons are not enough against Islam because its essence are in the demonic and worldly.
            There is nothing holy about it.
            In other words, to fight it physically and cow its adherents is enough to keep it down and preserve religious diversity.
            So even though you would want an exorcism, the fact is that an exorcism will not be enough to extirpate Islam and its totalitarian, anti-humanistic institutions.
            It must be fought physically, discredited ethically and morally; its corruption must become common knowledge; resentment of its irresponsible power must become ubiquitous.
            In other words, Non-Muslims must fight Muslims. Period.

      • savvy
        September 7, 2011 at 10:00 am

        I am aware of theological differences. Now if the church was denying Christianity that would something, but it’s not,

  20. eib
    September 7, 2011 at 9:43 am

    The Official Catechism also says that Christians are not people of the book, but People of the Word.
    What is the Word?
    Jesus Christ, of course, the Son of God.

    • savvy
      September 7, 2011 at 9:59 am

      Eib,

      Yes, the word is Jesus Christ. Nobody denies this.

  21. eib
    September 7, 2011 at 2:12 pm

    The Vatican has not formed a coherent response to Islam. Not yet. They have the history at their command, and the testimony of Orthodox Christians also.
    They also should have the awareness that Muslims view the world from a historical perspective that commands them to conquer and destroy everything that is not Islam.
    Need proof?
    Look at the Muslim scriptures themselves, at every shred and piece of Islamic tradition and doctrine and you will find an imperialist cult, one that could not worship a God who sent his only Son with the Holy Spirit to redeem the world from sin.
    Indeed, there is no Golden Rule in Islam.
    No adherence to the Decalogue.
    While the Koran asserts that the earlier scriptures are sacred, it also calls them profane.
    While the Koran talks about People of the Book, it condemns them to humiliation and repeated injury for eternity.
    Egypt, Arabia, what became Jordan, North Africa, Syria, Asia Minor and the Balkans were all Christian regions.
    They had a Christianity that was vital.
    The residue of these Christian cultures now can only be found in archaeological digs, casual and conciliar texts. No Christian pilgrims can place their foot in the birthplace and home of St. Augustine.
    Secularism did not do these societies in.
    They did not deserve to be destroyed.
    They were destroyed because no one had the strength to look the Arab sword-bearer in the face and condemn him, his tradition and his aspirations.

    • savvy
      September 7, 2011 at 3:23 pm

      Eib,

      At the Middle Eastern Synod, the Orthodox leaders were playing the dhimmi card too.

      Yes I am aware of how the centres of Christianity fell to Islam.

      Rome alone remains, but the help of sister churches to act.

      • savvy
        September 7, 2011 at 3:23 pm

        I meant needs the help of sister sisters to attack.

        • savvy
          September 7, 2011 at 3:24 pm

          Sorry, sister churches.

      • eib
        September 8, 2011 at 4:17 am

        Rome alone might remain, but she is quickly being surrounded by the enemy.
        The other patriarchs, Antioch, Alexandria, Jerusalem, and Constantinople all tend toward some dhimmi statements because, well, look at a map.
        They had to individualize rather than legalize their interpretation of Christianity as a result, and they have survived.
        But if you talk to their parishioners about what Christian doctrine says, not one of them will assert that Muslims are worshipping the same God as Christians.
        Not one of them will assert that Islam is a holy religion, and not one will assert that the Muslim Allah ever meant to redeem the world.
        Indeed, because submission is the keyword of Islam, slavery is the relationship constructed by this faith.
        And Islam enslaves the other.
        Christian girls raped . . . on a routine basis.
        Muslims claiming that they “protect” Christians.
        Do you wish to live in a world so full of fear and deception?
        I didn’t think so.

      • eib
        September 8, 2011 at 4:19 am

        I also note that in the Orthodox Churches, the Jesus Prayer, rather than the Lord’s Prayer, is more central.
        Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me, a sinner.
        A much more humble statement, I would say. And quite reflective that they would emphasize “Son of God”, instead of “God’s prophet”.
        This is as far from al-Dhimmi as you can get. And they say it every single day.

  22. GMA214
    September 8, 2011 at 7:17 am

    Would someone please pass me a barf bag? Quickly!

  23. September 8, 2011 at 8:34 am

    luchadora41, it’s best to be well informed if you want to write on a subject. What idols does the Vatican worship? Catholics don’t worship any idols. What you say is silly. Why not purchase the Universal Cathechism of the Catholic Church and study it so that you will not write so stupidly? I’m a Catholic, and I don’t like being insulted. Do you understand? And as far as Sabbath goes, it means “seventh.” What God meant is that we take every “seventh” day and keep it holy. God doesn’t care what you call that day, just as He doesn’t care how you number the Ten Commandment. What’s important is that we keep every “Seventh” day holy, and that we “keep all the Commandments holy,” no matter how they’re numbered. By the way, if you don’t like our Catholic calendar, don’t look at it again. The calendar that you go by each day is called a Catholic Gregorian Calendar, named after Pope Gregory XIII, who reformed the Julian Calendar, which wasn’t so perfect. luchadora41, educate yourself. Okay? And quit insulting me.

    Which reminds me: Muslims also insult me when they call me an “Islamophobe.”

    Evil Muslims may call me whatever they wish, but let me remind them that facts are facts, and that it is a fact that Islam is a Crime Syndicate.

    Islam is one of the Crime Syndicates that will murder spostates who no longer wish to participate in Islamic crimes. The criminal Mafia also does this with their traitors.

    Islam is the only Crime Syndicate that breeds Muslim Suicide Bombers. So it’s not a phobia to fear Muslim Suicide Bombers. It’s a reality.

    Islam is the only Crime Syndicate that relegates women to second class citizenship. Not even ruthless Communism or vilent Nazism did this.

    Islam is the only Crime Syndicate that will mutilate little girls when Muslim sadists chop off clitorisies of little girls by the millions. This isn’t a phobia. It’s reality. Not even the ruthless Nazis and Communists did this in their hayday.

    Islam is the only Crime Syndicate that stones women to death if they commit adultery. Islam does not do this to depraved, sinful, hypocritical Muslim male sex perverts when they have sex with several wives, which is tantamount to legalized adultery.

    Islam is the only Crime Syndicate that allows depraved, sinful, Muslim male sex perverts to legally rape underage little girls after forced marriages. And these brutal beast wonder why they are condemned in civilized countries. Not even the brutal regimes of the Nazis and Communists stooped so low. Let’s face it; Islam is the most brutal, most violent Crime Syndicate that came directly from the Muslim god, Satan, sometimes called Allah.

    • Reverend Dan
      September 8, 2011 at 8:42 am

      Well said Truth Detector! This from a Southern Baptist Preacher! You keep reminding everyone what the EVIL CULT of islam is all about!

  24. Anne
    September 8, 2011 at 3:03 pm

    Thanks, Truth Detector for your defense of Catholicism.

    I would just add that our holy day is Sunday because it is the day of the Resurrection of the Lord.

    And technically Sunday, the Lord’s Day, is the first day of the week although in society of late, Monday is considered the first day of the week because of most people’s work schedule.

    And of course the accusation of idol worship is ludicrous.

  25. catholic
    September 8, 2011 at 9:24 pm

    probably because catholics aren’t retarded like you protestants. I went to a protestant “mass” and it looked like a fucking rock & roll concert, dumb asses hooting and hollering. you guys are fucking retarded, thanks for creating the even-more-retarded mormon religion. fucking dumb asses. everybody on this site is a baptist redneck probably. you guys are a joke. go get jobs

    • admin
      September 8, 2011 at 9:28 pm

      Yes, I am sure you will be taken seriously after that comment. How about addressing that issue, and realizing that Christians need to unite against the common enemy of Islam?

      Your language was very “Christian” like…..

    • eib
      September 9, 2011 at 5:10 am

      You must have a vested interest in making sure that Christians and non-Muslims generally are divided.

    • Reverend Dan
      September 9, 2011 at 9:34 am

      Some of my best friends on this site are Catholic, you certainly don’t sound like one. As for me about the only truth you spoke is that I am a Baptist. I bet your Priest, if in fact you have one, would not be happy with your comments or language. If you have a Priest you need to spend some time in Confession with him. Why not educate yourself a little before making a fool out of yourself on this or any other webpage?

    • Robin Shadowes
      September 9, 2011 at 12:46 pm

      I don’t bow down to any god. Nor yours or the arselifters. I’m an indepedent thinker and I follow only my own path. And I’m not a redneck either. You keep hugging pislam but the rest of us here knows where it will end for you and your ilk. on the chopping block when the koranimals has grown strong enough to take over.

  26. John Sobieski
    September 8, 2011 at 11:37 pm

    I remember the first time I saw the pic of the Pope John Paul II kissing a Koran (1999).

    Pope John Paul II kissing a Koran (1999)

    My heart sank. Why! would you do that! There are evil people, naive people and stupid people in positions of importance and power. The great thing about being knowledgeable about Islam, and then hearing these ‘leaders’ discuss Islam, it is so easy to clock them – liar, idiot, dhimmi, gullible, shallow. Rarely do I think ‘he gets it.’ West, Wilders, other rising politicians of Europe (Austria, Switzerland, Denmark) – they get it. The Church – how can they not ‘get it’? They probably have shelves of books documenting the struggles of the Church from the eighth century through the Crusades, the fall of Constantinople, the gates of Vienna 1683, Queen Isabella’s expulsion of the Muslims 1492. All that has no meaning in our ‘modern, complex, interconnected’ world. What, were they RACISTS? hahahaha

    • eib
      September 9, 2011 at 5:11 am

      The reason Pope John Paul II kissed the Koran is simple– he had not read it.

      • Reverend Dan
        September 9, 2011 at 9:52 am

        That is usually the reason any Christian aids and abets the EVIL CULT of islam!

    • New Crusader
      September 9, 2011 at 5:36 pm

      John;

      Just an opinion here. I have several family members on both sides, and friends as well, who have served faithfully in ministry on many levels for their whole life. They have served in Methodist, Lutheran, Baptist, Episcopalian, and Non-denominational churches. No Catholic priests but catholic friends and extended family. I myself am not a Minister of any kind. My comment is formed by listening to them relate their experiences, reading, and general observation. It seems that the churches have been so concerned about their relevancy in this modern world, watching their attendance drop, that they have been beguiled, and sometimes forced, into the same “all accepting” and “all inclusiveness” lie that has permeated so much of our culture. By this I hope you understand that I am not advocating disparity between people, but pointing to the premise that some have taken; that all thought, precepts, opinions, and such are created equal not just people. Trying in their own way to pattern the message of the Gospel of Jesus Christ for an increasingly defiant and hostile world. Watering down any message, changing terms, and altering definition, is the work of deception and should not be a part of anything which strives for fidelity. These things have been running their course for the best part of a century if not longer in American Churches. It seems to me that it is in its concentrated form in today’s world. Many of today’s ministers I feel have not been taught or have not been interested in learning history as it was, but have suckled on revised histories which mainly hold the Church and Christendom in general as the problematic element in an advancing society. Trying to keep pace with this, many have shipwrecked their faith and now serve the world and not the Christ they claim (if they ever did). Those who chose a different path are marginalized, and often ostracized from their professions. I think they do not get it, because they have eliminated anything solid in their understanding to compare with; all is relative and included in the, global, interdenominational, and multidoctrinal church. In their own minds they are on the leading edge of advancing the church into the 22nd Century, and all dissension is the backward and wasted mentality of those who do not have such a complete and involved education, or are not looking to move forward with the modern world, leaving the old behind. The message of the Bible, history, and sound logic is therefore lost, and replaced by the work of men’s hands and corrupt minds (a modern golden calf). The source of this has been working hand in glove with Hammadmo for 1400 years.

      Just a thought.

  27. Truth
    September 9, 2011 at 9:09 am

    The Muslim prophet Mohammad was an evil child molester (he married a 9 year old little girl) and an evil supporter of slavery. I guess we can’t expect the Pope to stand against child molestation, but maybe he’s against slavery.

    • emmi
      September 12, 2011 at 1:27 am

      What do you call forcing women in places like the Phillippines to have eleven and more children to serve the purposes of the
      Vatican? Many poor people are expected to give money to the Church to keep the Pope in luxury. I call that slavery.

  28. Reverend Dan
    September 9, 2011 at 9:47 am

    Unfortunatly its not just the Pope “kissing” the Qu’ran or accepting the EVIL CULT of islam as an Abrahamic Religion, there are more than enough of my fellow Protestant Preachers who are aiding and abetting the EVIL CULT of islam. Equally as unfortunate there are plenty of Rabbi’s who do the same.

    Those of us on this page or others like it, who are Christians, either Protestants or Catholic, and those who are Jewish, MUST start holding our Religous Leaders accountable. Preachers, Priests, and Rabbi’s are not infallible, we make mistakes just like anyone. If you belong to a Church or Temple that does aid and abet islam you must talk with Church Leadership about it. Share your concerns. Try to educate them. If that doesn’t work, find a new Church home, ASAP!

  29. September 9, 2011 at 1:50 pm

    “catholic,” I don’t believe you’re an authentic Catholic. I believe you used that handle only to give the Catholic Church another black eye. I’ve seen bad Catholics, but I don’t believe I’ve met a so-called Catholic with a mouth like yours. Yes, I’m a Catholic, not perfect, but I’m trying like so many of my Protestant friends, and other Catholics.

    “Truth,” in reality, depraved Muhammad “married” Aisha when the child was only six years old. But diaper chaser Muhammad waited until the child was eight years nine months old when he raped her. The reason Muhammad waited that long is that Aisha’s father held back the sex maniac Muhammad a while longer. Otherwise, I’m sure Pervert Muhammad would have raped the child even sooner, probably at the age of six.

    When Muhammad was near his last years on earth, he spotted a little baby girl crawling on the floor. (I’ll get the story later). Muhammad told a person nearby: “When she grows, (referring to the child crawling on the floor) I’ll marry her.”

    However, the pervert Muhammad died soon after, and I’m very glad. If he had lived a while longer, another child would have been raped.

  30. September 9, 2011 at 2:15 pm

    FORGOT SOMETHING:
    Maybe the readers have noticed that I continually say that Aisha was eight years nine months old when Pervert Muhammad raped her. The Muslims used the Lunar Calendar at that time. That’s why they say that Aisha was “nine years old when Muhammad consummated the marriage act.” In reality, when we convert that Lunar age to Solar age, Aisha was only about 8 years 9 months old.

    In a civilized society, we never say that an old man like Muhammad “consummated a marriage act” with a child that is less than nine years old. We properly call it “rape.”

    Some Muslims are ashamed that Pervert Muhammad did this. Others will make excuses such as: “Aisha was very mature for her age.” The truth is that Aisha was still playing with dolls when Pervert Muhammad raped her. Besides, just how mature is the brain of a child that is only 8 years and 9 months old?

    WE MUST DESTROY THE CRIMINAL ACTIVITY OF ISLAM BEFORE THE CRIMINAL ACTIVITY OF ISLAM DESTROYS US.

  31. September 9, 2011 at 2:33 pm

    Truth, that was an unkind cut when you said that “we can’t expect the Pope to be against child molestation.” The truth is that almost all priest have been and are against child molestation.

    There were two studies made. One study discovered that 1.7 percent of the Catholic priests were pedophiles. The other study found that there were 1.8 percent that were pedophiles. The reason the story became very huge is because the Catholic Church has a famous name. Besides, the enemies of Christianity, especially of the Catholic Church, have an ax to grind.

    This record is far better than the average of the population. I’m not making excuses, but one study showed that teachers far outstrip the Catholic priesthood, in sex crimes, by about 39 to 1. Of course, that also is sad.

    • Truth
      September 9, 2011 at 6:47 pm

      @Truth Detector, you’re correct. The Muslims have done 100 times more evil on this earth than Catholics ever did.

      • eib
        September 10, 2011 at 6:39 am

        The abuses of power within the church– the use of excessive shaming to the point that it drives people away from salvation, sexual abuse, misappropriation of money etc. are all things that
        1. happen within the institution and
        2. are not directed toward the humiiliation/ suffering of non-believers, and
        3. are not demanded by scripture and doctrine.
        Jihad, the conquest of the infidel, his systematic humiliation are all commanded by the scriptures and doctrines of Islam.
        They are commanded of all Muslims, not just those in authority.
        They are all aimed at the other, the infidel.
        And there is nothing, absolutely nothing in the cultures or elsewhere, except the West, to stop the Islamic imperatives from being carried out.
        So before the Church does any more to make its position indefensible, let’s just remember the fundamental differences between
        1. Muslim and Kafir, and
        2. Oriental and Occidental.
        These differences are real, and will not be papered over by multicultural or cultural relativist theories.

        • eib
          September 10, 2011 at 6:44 am

          And while the Catholic Church took a part in the conquest of the Americas, it was, in fact, a secular government, that of Spain, that conquered large parts.
          It was a secular government, that of Portugal, that conquered Brazil.
          The Atlantic World was not a religious invention, the idea of a global Christianity has been taken seriously only in the context of secular rulers.
          Please note that the Pope never carried the orb.
          Only secular rulers did.

    • New Crusader
      September 9, 2011 at 7:05 pm

      Many will take a quick and disparaging look toward the Church and Christians in general for what the accuser commonly wrestles with; this gives them comfort to their own lust and desires. Humans are corrupt regardless of how they spend their careers. People of faith in the incorruptible God find themselves in and awkward position when they fall for the flesh, and the depravity of the mind. Those who wish to excuse these things for themselves find a quick distraction by blaming others. The worst of these are those of faith in the flesh, who allow themselves a proclamation of righteousness without the same judgment they have for others. The worst of those are the muslims who’s filthy leader made room in doctrine to excuse his heinous behaviors. Justifying lechery as a god given right is reserved only for the muslims. No priest, pastor, or minister, that I am aware of, is able to successfully justify these things before his God, doctrine, peers, family, leaders, or any follower who is not also deviant. Only in islam are these things excused and encouraged as an act of righteousness. The acts of the Allan, Hammadmo and the Ummah are apparent as the works of a hideous mind that will not rest until it has perverted and taken advantage of every corruption. Satanic is the only adjective possible for describing the Hideous Qur’ap and it’s teachings.

      Allah U Pervert.

      • New Crusader
        September 9, 2011 at 7:12 pm

        “the Allan” should be Allah

  32. September 10, 2011 at 9:08 am

    The present Pope Benedict XVI is well aware of the evils of Islam and Muhammad. In fact, this present pope has a fatwa on his head because he criticized Muhammad.

    • eib
      September 10, 2011 at 10:13 am

      That’s true. If anyone wants to read about the Regensburg speech, there are lots of sites devoted to it.
      The problem is not the fatwa, but the response to it. Does His Holiness continue to defy Islam, does he tell the truth about Christian doctrine and history, or does he bury himself in the present minute to get away from the brutal past and the dreadful future?
      Our scriptures say that only in the Lord God can we dwell in safety, that all worldly protection is a dream.
      Our spirituality tells us that Muslims threaten our bodies, our physical temporal lives, and our earthly fortunes. Because their religion is unholy, no condemnation of our souls from them is sincere– they will all come to nothing.
      The kingdom of Christ is a spiritual kingdom. And if you believe that is true, what can any Muslim do to you?

    • eib
      September 10, 2011 at 10:15 am

      IN the Regensburg speech, the Pope spoke historical truth and quoted a Byzantine Emperor.
      Everything he said was true in that speech.
      And yet, because it was true, not because it was anti-Islam, Muslims have condemned him.
      To speak the truth about Islam is, in Islam and under Sharia law, an offense punishable by death.
      By the logic of the fatwa against the Pope, we are all condemned.

  33. Damien
    September 12, 2011 at 9:09 am

    Admin,

    You know I have to say this even through its going to upset you, but I’ve been thinking about it more and more. I’m not becoming a dhimmi, I’m not about go on and praise Islam, but I think you maybe going a bit too far in your approach. I know for a fact that regardless of what the Koran or the Hadith says, not all Muslims live by it.

    • New Crusader
      September 12, 2011 at 11:46 am

      As islam continues on its course to dominate, they will be forced to make a choice too. Either submit to the full will of allah, or die for their offence. The cult of fear does not care about their past weakness, only their current and future submission.

    • New Crusader
      September 12, 2011 at 11:57 am

      Remember the youth camp where a 12 year old boy cut off the head of a muslim that opposed the taliban. With these people if you are not following the pattern of HammadMo, you’re due for death. No “moderate” muslim will be excepted.

      • Damien
        September 12, 2011 at 12:07 pm

        New Crusader,

        I’m not saying that Islam is benign, nor that we shouldn’t do what is necessary to stop Islamic fanatics from taking over the world.

        • New Crusader
          September 12, 2011 at 12:39 pm

          I’m not either. Just remember that those who are “moderate” muslims today will not stand with you in death tomorrow. Their allegiance is still to allah and the qurap, they will chose to live under it’s fear and part with you when push comes to shove.

    • admin
      September 12, 2011 at 2:48 pm

      Hi Damien,

      Most Muslims sit silently as Sharia is advancing, and what the West is doing now is not working. Someone has to step up with answers that will actually make a difference. Trying to sort out the “good” Muslims from the bad did not work in the UK, and it will not work here. We need to end Muslim immigration. Sorry, I have to stick with my beliefs Damien.

      • Damien
        September 12, 2011 at 4:25 pm

        Admin,

        Did you get my last email?

        Do You want to know why I’m doubting you? Do you want to know why I’ve changed my mind?

        Watch this video in its entirety, and see if you can debunk Klingchor’s responses to Philhellenes.

        Al-Taqqiyyah & Philhellenes DEBUNKED
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4hYzeqOCMvY&feature=channel_video_title

        Also, watch this video by a former Muslim turned critic of Islam.

        Taqqiyyah & Abrogation
        http://www.youtube.com/user/CEMBadmins#p/u/4/SjZSJg1HQpc

        It maybe true that there is a problem with Sharia advancing in the west, but both of these people are critical of Islam, and yet both of them contradict much of what you have said on your blog. Klingchor has even sited sources at the end of his video. CEMBadmins video is a response to his. Neither of these people are pro Islam, although they are not fond of many other critics of Islam like Robert Spencer. I saw their videos awhile ago, and I have been thinking about them for a long time now.

        • admin
          September 12, 2011 at 4:44 pm

          It seems you changed your mind because the going is getting tough, and you do not have it in you to fight back. That is on you. Yes, al-taqqiyah is a Shiite term (I never said it was a term for all Muslims) , but Islam instructs Muslims to lie.

          “I did not hear him permit untruth in anything people say, except for three things: war, settling disagreements, and a man talking with his wife or she with him (A: in smoothing over differences).”

          http://loganswarning.com/2009/12/15/islam-101-lying-is-permissible/

          When you or Klingschor know more about Islam than Sahih Muslim and the scholars of Al-Azhar get back to me.

          Sharia may be advancing in the West? Unbelievable….. I am not going to back off. So if you do not care for what you read here, it might be best for you to move along.

        • admin
          September 12, 2011 at 4:51 pm

          Tell them to go debate Spencer, he will tear them apart. Stop looking for reasons to back off. Your future generations are at stake here.

          • Damien
            September 12, 2011 at 5:22 pm

            admin,

            Okay, I will think about it. By the way, I never said I was going to back off, in case you’re worried about that.

          • admin
            September 12, 2011 at 5:28 pm

            It seems you already are.

          • Damien
            September 12, 2011 at 6:41 pm

            Admin,

            You think I will would just allow Muslims or anyone else to turn the US into a theocracy? Trust me. I’m not giving up. I actually found the second video, the one by the ex Muslim, because I looked at the videos that were Favorited by Pat Condel, if you check his channel, he’s not going soft on Islam. All of his old videos that got him accused of “Islamophobia” are still up.

          • Damien
            September 22, 2011 at 7:24 am

            Admin,

            By the way, I know you’re going to hate me for saying this, but I actually didn’t make myself clear. I would have doubted the way you were going about doing things even if I hadn’t seen those videos. Its just that the way I wrote my last few comments made it sound like it was those videos only. Even, If you are correct, and lying is officially part of every Islamic sect, I knew for a fact, even before I saw those video that not all Muslims are part of the stealth Jihad. Even some of your email responses to me troubled me. I also have encountered many other things, that make me think you’re going about this wrong. If you want to tell me I’m wrong, fine. But I’m going now, so you probably won’t see a response from me.

          • admin
            September 22, 2011 at 7:30 am

            If? I already proved I am right from the Islamic scriptures. Not all Germans were a threat either, but it reached a point in time that did not matter. The West is at that point with Muslims. But maybe you can go around and separate the “good” Muslims from the bad. What the West is doing is a clear failure, and if the rules do not change we will eventually lose this war. Obviously you do not have it in you to call for what is necessary. Take the easy way out and run from the truth…..

          • admin
            September 22, 2011 at 7:33 am

            Damien,

            You should go to a site that pushes the “moderate” Muslims are coming to the rescue fantasy. It will make you feel better.

          • Damien
            September 22, 2011 at 7:53 am

            Admin,

            I don’t believe the moderate Muslims are coming to the rescue fantasy, but I still don’t agree with you.

          • admin
            September 22, 2011 at 7:55 am

            So don’t agree, my stance will not change. I don’t see any answers…..

  34. eib
    September 22, 2011 at 8:03 am

    Quote:
    I don’t believe the moderate Muslims are coming to the rescue fantasy, but I still don’t agree with you.
    end

    You obviously hold a position here, but you have not had time to define it.
    Instead of continuing to argue here, you should either start a blog dealing specifically with your issue or post elsewhere.
    I think the first suggestion is a better one because it will allow you to write at length, do research, and end up with a coherent stance you can bring out everywhere.
    It will also give you a chance to learn where you stand in relation to the rest of us.

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