UK:Two Christians go to Trial for “Insulting” Islam

Hat tip to The Religion of Peace.


Several months ago a report from the UK was published stating that Muslims were calling for war from within their Sharia Courts. Apparently that is OK, but Christians making a truthful statement about Mohammad is not. This is just another example of Muslims trying to scare us silent on Islam.

Christian couple in court over comments about Islam
by Jenna Lyle
December 8, 2009

Christian hotel owners Ben and Sharon Vogelenzang go on trial today for comments they made about Islam.

The couple, who own the Bounty House Hotel in Liverpool, are being prosecuted for a religiously aggravated public disorder after a Muslim guest complained they had made offensive comments to her on March 20.

They allegedly described Muslim dress for women as “bondage” and described the Prophet Mohammed as a “warlord”.

Their legal defence is being funded by the Christian Institute. Its director Colin Hart is appealing to Christians to pray for the couple as they stand before Liverpool Magistrates’ Court today and tomorrow.

“We believe that it is the first case of its kind in the UK and could have significant implications for the religious freedom of all Christians,” he said.

Christian Institute spokesman Mike Judge said previously that there were “significant free speech and religious liberty issues at stake”.

The Vogelenzangs fear the court case could lead to financial ruin after a nearby hospital stopped referring patients to the hotel over the accusations. The Christian Institute said the move had led to an 80 per cent drop in the hotel’s income. They face a £5,000 fine and criminal record if found guilty.

Their defence lawyer David Whiting said: “Ben and Sharon do not accept they were threatening, abusive or insulting.”

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34 comments for “UK:Two Christians go to Trial for “Insulting” Islam

  1. LeChat
    December 8, 2009 at 8:01 pm

    Come over here (to the U.S.) any try that, Abduhl. We still have a minimally functioning constitution on this side of the Atlantic.

  2. Don
    December 8, 2009 at 8:40 pm

    And many of us carry firearms.

  3. Kevin
    December 8, 2009 at 8:44 pm

    Obama signed a hate crime legislation in last month. So don't come here, it will happen eventually. But then again i'm one of those tin hat wearing conspiracy theorist, so what do I know?

    • Lee Anders
      August 23, 2010 at 11:51 pm

      Probably more than most people!

  4. December 8, 2009 at 8:52 pm

    …freedom of speech issues are at risk…more like being attacked to promote silencing the Christian voice period! This is just another form of Sharia Law weaseling its way into the culture it wishes to dominate. It appears to me that at anytime a muslim can make this accusation and drag any infidel into the court room. What a very sad bunch of cowards! <><

  5. Tonto
    December 8, 2009 at 11:37 pm

    What happened to free speach? Have I not the RIGHT to express an opinion? I remember being at a Japanese Steak House in Florida one evening where some guy was "holding forth" on his interpretation of the Bible. I told him several times that the 1st amendment said he had a right to his opinion and the right to express it….after about 30 minutes of listening to his garbage, I told him I also had rights and it was my right to tell him he was full of shit….you could have heard a flea fart. Thank God I live here instead of there….I'd have gone screaming bonkers in that courtroom, and the judge would have had burning ears for a week.

    • david shepherd
      July 27, 2011 at 6:32 am

      we have no free speach in this country . muslims have the right to call our troops coming home from war child killer rapist murderers what ever they want but if you reply to there words you have commited a hate crime and you will go to prison.
      I think the muslim oil states have given our goverment a ultimateme let us do what we want in your country or we will cut oil supply. most mosques in england or extremist they will take over i have no doubt we will be the minority

  6. Stephen Tareila
    December 9, 2009 at 1:46 am

    About 25 to 30 years ago I worked with some Moslem Malaysian students(the "moderate" Moslems). One or two told me without flinching or showing any signs of care or caution, that if I tried to change his religon,that he had the right(from the Koran) to kill me. Yet Moslems prosyletise all the time. They are hypocritical and dangerous and there are NOT any moderates. They all come with the same template on the brain-It is okay to kill or wage Jihad to spread or defend Islam. It is more than a religon. It is a DANGEROUS culture(the Islamic culture and lifestyle) and law(such as Sharia) system wrapped together with the religon.No separation of church and state exists and none is envisioned by the Islamicists for Europe, the USA, or the world. BEWARE!!

    • John
      December 9, 2009 at 3:06 pm

      You are right about moderate Muslim. I lived in Malaysia for over 10 years. In Malaysia, the government do not allow Muslims to leave Islam. It is a crime to proselyte Muslims, but not the other way round. It's a one-way street. There is no give and take. By western standard, a moderate Muslim is still an extremist.

    • June 21, 2011 at 3:52 pm

      True as can be, there are NO such things as a Moderate muslim, only those who have yet to cross a line….

  7. December 9, 2009 at 1:52 am

    99% of Muslims sit silently as non-Muslims are persecuted across the Islamic world. 99% of them sit silently as Islam advances across the world.

    That says it all.

    Islam being classified as a religion, is its power.

  8. December 8, 2009 at 8:59 pm

    I'm going to say something hateful: fuck Allah in the ass!

  9. skai
    December 9, 2009 at 11:13 am

    Don't kid yourself in USA,they(muslims )are even more violent in US than in UK and EU. First see this http://www.blip.tv/file/1382254 youtube.com/watch?v=JL-pF9cEgX4 youtube.com/watch?v=qpHot_U2STA http://www.danielpipes.org http://www.americancongressfortruth.com Islam is evil and must be fought to eradicate it.

    • December 10, 2009 at 9:16 pm

      Lets not forget that there are dozens of Islamic terrorist camps right here in America.

  10. Ibrahim Mahfouz
    December 9, 2009 at 5:19 pm

    It is this threat against anyone who questions Islam that kept this cult alive till now. Muslims know that when their religion is exposed and discussed it would crumble like a mud house in a Nile flood.

  11. December 9, 2009 at 5:26 pm

    Islam survives on deception. Thankfully they were cleared today.

    Here is the update.

    http://loganswarning.com/?p=236

  12. skai
    December 10, 2009 at 12:36 am

    Malaysian, I am thankful to you for giving the insight of Malaysia's non-muslims problem with Islam,which majority of non muslims don't know out side Malaysia. I think in the Far East Malaysia is the most racist country, and the laws are unfavourable towards non muslims. There is a very good Book by V.S.Paipal called "Beyond Belief" Which tells how over the centuries Muslims who came to Malaysia as traders undermined the Majority Buddhist people and established Islam in Malaysia. You say "I been researching about Islam and following the issues of Islam perpetrated by muslims world wide." log on http://www.thereligionofpeace.com http://www.faithfreedom.org http://www.islam-watch.org to start with. The more you learn about Islam the more you hate it. From muslim's Quran Sura 2:193."Fight against them(Infidels) until Idolatry is no more,and Allah's religion reigns supreme."

    • Malaysian
      December 10, 2009 at 5:06 am

      The truth is the racism in the west part of M’sia is even more obvious than u can imagine.Although the Prime Minister promotes the unity of M’sian citizens of different races and religions and we have the so-called most colourful cultures,it’s far from the truth because the malay muslim supremacism is still on top of priority and can’t be questioned.Plus,even though the malay government has promised that there will be equal treat for all regardless of different race,that’s bullshit because certain scholarships isn’t qualified for Chinese and Indian applicants.Is that equality promised by government?No!..Furthermore,there is no room for Chinese and Indian students to enroll in one of our public uni(Universiti Teknologi Mara).Some non-malay groups has proposed such that the chineses and indians are enabled to enroll in the that uni but the propose is rejected.What a ridiculous act by our government.

      Skai,
      Thanks for the website.I’ve already known the websites and person like Ali Sina has really done a very good job.The more I learn about islam,the more disgusting it is.

      • December 13, 2009 at 10:52 pm

        Malaysian's comments are excellent and I have reproduced them in a blog post to give them greater prominence.

  13. Malaysian
    December 9, 2009 at 6:48 pm

    Hi everyone.I'm from Malaysia(living in the east part of M'sia)..Now i can see the spreading of Islamization occurs slowly in M'sia and some of the Muslims have become more radical.Lately,around 15000 malay-language Bibles have been confiscated because the use of word "Allah".I know that a lot of westerners don't regard Allah as the one true God but in this case,the word Allah that we use doesn't refer to same Allah that muslim worships..malay language has a lot of borrowing words.Most of the borrowing words come from Arabic language.In malay,we regard Allah as having the same meaning with God.I know that islamic allah is so evil..Plus,there is a tactic used by the government to assign Ulema(person of having islamic knowledge)to teach the non-muslim student in Moral Education subject.It's subject taken by all non-muslim students in primary and secondary school.On the other hand, the muslim students are taking Islamic education.For me,Moral subject is just a crap and useless and the more dangerous is the islamic subject is full of taquiyya and absurdities.The Ulema who is teaching the Moral subject is very dangerous because instead of teaching the true contents of the subject,they lead the non-muslim students astray.They talk about what Islam is.This is horrible for naive one.Some Christian-founded schools in my hometown such as St. Joseph and St. Thomas are half Muslims.That's disgrace.There are many types of tactics used by some groups of people to Islamize the east part of M'sia(Sarawak and Sabah) which is predominantly Christian.But a lot of people are still naive about Islam.some of them think that islam is a beautiful religion because the Malays here(all are muslim) doesn't fully adhere the true teaching of Islam.Most of the malay muslims here can recite the arabic koran but sadly enough,they have no ideas what koran truly tells them.To know the koran contents,they just listen to deceptive Imam.
    I been researching about Islam and following the issues of Islam perpetrated by Muslim worldwide.I know that we don't have the free speech and the non-muslims are asked to respect islam and not to question malay supremacism but i hope that i can tell about it freely to my friends especially to "not adhere the Islamic teaching" muslims.

    • December 9, 2009 at 8:32 pm

      Hi Malaysian,
      I justed wanted to thank you for that insight. Muslims hate when Islam is questioned. Because they know that in a forum of open ideas, most people will reject it.

      Stay safe!

      • Malaysian
        December 10, 2009 at 12:16 pm

        Logan,
        You're welcome.Keep on doing the good job of yours!

        The reason for M'sia to be labelled as Moderate Muslim country is because a lot of Muslim here especially malay don't even know how to read the arabic koran,yet to understand it.Most of them don't know the reality of Islam.All they know is just a speech and sermon by taquiyya imam.

  14. December 10, 2009 at 9:13 pm

    Do not fear speaking the truth. Let them do to you what they will. We mustn't cave in to these horrible BRATS. These muslims act like very, very, bad and disobedient children. Do you know what to do to bad, disobedient children? They are disciplined so that they learn how to behave. These ignorant heathens need to be schooled. This world is too full of too many others to have these barbarians blowing things up and taking people to court.

    • December 10, 2009 at 9:19 pm

      The also do not understand that respect is supposed to be a two-way street. With them it is always about what they want, while showing no concern for the beliefs of non-Muslims.

      • December 11, 2009 at 3:52 pm

        It is an ideology that I will never understand and as a part of a governmental system that based its values upon 10 Commandments given by GOD=JEHOVAH. In direct opposition and contrast to the edicts of the false prophet Muhammed and his father SATAN=LUCIFER. There is no way for these things to live in harmony. Ours is a battle of principalities and powers of the air. Spiritual. Good vs Evil. JEHOVAH and ISRAEL against the entire universe.

  15. Martin
    May 2, 2010 at 4:00 am

    Best weapon against islam…..education about the nonsensicality of all religions resulting in a free thinking anti theistic world view.

    All religions are fairy stories and the sooner the world realises that the sooner we will see their extinction and a chance to end the senseless killing and mayhem.

    You cannot overcome one fairy story with another…they are all silly.

  16. May 2, 2010 at 4:09 am

    Most of Americans are Christians, insulting them will unite nobody. Never going to work.

    • May 2, 2010 at 3:49 pm

      That's what leftards try and do with their condescending remarks about Christian religions, the Bible Belt, etc.

      Its better to show how hislam is satanic. Even if only 10% of the American Christians take note, its still a very large number. Far more than there are arselifters in the US.

  17. David Woolmer
    January 22, 2011 at 5:58 am

    Martin

    I take it that you are an expert on religion to make that statement otherwise would it not be much better to preface it with “in my opinion”?!

    I am a committed Christian and it is those who believe in some superior being who have a duty to repel the advance of the Satanic forces of Islam.

    Just as a matter of interest to you,Islam at least has some respect for those who believe in a superior being/religion but none for unbelievers!!

  18. June 21, 2011 at 3:48 pm

    If cases like these become the norm in the US, you’ll see violence like never before, No place in America will this Bull crap be tolerated long, “excetp Californmia, and new york, the Outrageousness of these little maggot muslims to on one hand demogogue and demonize Christians and Jews, then claim to be offended by the same words and slogans they use aginst all other religions will ONLY result in some serious ASS Kicking…..

  19. Pisslam
    July 4, 2011 at 5:18 pm

    I just recd a call from this number 706-705-8888 and a female first said salam-alekum (sic) and then said we give free online koran teaching for your kids are you interested. How sick can these basta-r-ds get? They are now targeting via online calls and telemarketing also. When will the leaders of US wakeup and destroy those trying to hijack our nation from the inside just like UK got screwed up? My research on this number and it said this is used by telemarketers or those using google chat or google mail. Brothers, pls beware of such criminals who break the backbone of a country from inside by teaching koran to children. Donot fall for this trap, steel your resolve to throw this scum out of our good country! God bless America.

  20. eib
    July 27, 2011 at 7:40 am

    Quote:
    They allegedly described Muslim dress for women as “bondage” and described the Prophet Mohammed as a “warlord”.
    end

    In these words, I hear nothing but unvarnished fact.

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