Now this is NOT the way to start off the new year in regards to the war with Islam! Yes Islam is at war with us, and smart infidels are at war with Islam in return. But when I say war, I do not mean a war of violence with Muslims in America. As idiotic violent actions like these attacks will only hurt us in the war with Islam. Islamic organizations like the Council on American Islamic Relations (CAIR), are going to take this act and run with it as long as they can. Besides CAIR, Muslims already have the ear of US authority figures across the country. We do not need Islam to become even more protected than it already is.
Authorities probe fire attacks on 4 NYC sites
NEW YORK (AP) — While members of an Islamic cultural center gathered for a Sunday evening dinner, a Molotov cocktail hurled by an unknown assailant and made from a Starbucks bottle burst and shattered against the center’s main entrance. Another was thrown at the sign for the center’s school.
It was one of a string of suspected arson attacks that police were investigating on Monday as possible bias crimes and trying to determine whether the incidents were linked. No arrests have been made.
Structural damage to the Imam Al-Khoei Foundation was minimal, but some members of the center were emotionally shaken, the assistant imam said. About 80 worshippers were there when the firebomb was set off at 8:44 p.m., the third in the series of suspected arson attacks in Queens on Sunday night.
Now, do not get me wrong. We are clearly in a war with Islam, and despite these attacks we have no choice but to continue to fight back. All within the law though! Here is a 5-point plan, that I had posted in the past. Explaining how we can push back within the law.
Whether we like or not we are in a war with Islam. While it is mostly a non-violent within America, it is still a war. As their goal is to conquer us. Islam is quickly expanding across the America, and it is very clear that we are losing at this present time. Muslims are beating us, by using our own rules against us. So in order strike back (all within the law of course), we must get more organized and develop a plan. Talking about the internal threat of Islam is not enough. We must try to counter the top five reasons we are losing this war.
5. Far too many non-Muslims are uniformed on Islam, or are just unaware of what is going on in regards to Islam in America. It is our job to continue to show the evidence of the internal threat of Islam. Many of us have been doing this, but we also need to recruit more non-Muslims to join us. I know sometimes it gets frustrating sometimes, but we cannot give up. If you ever feel like giving up just take a look at a picture of your loved ones, then visualize the horrors that take place across the Islamic world. I know it is not pleasant, but doing this should motive you again.
4. These days it is politically incorrect to speak out against Islam. Only time and the continued evidence against Islam will change this. In the meantime continue to speak out. If someone calls you a racist, ask them what race Islam is? If you are called a bigot, ask them if Jews were bigots for opposing Nazism? Or if black people were bigots for opposing the KKK? Sometimes there are times in life where people have to stand up for themselves. This is one of them.
3. Muslims lie like there is no tomorrow, and will say anything in an attempt to try to get non-Muslims to back off. This is what I call the information war, and Muslims have mastered it. When and wherever you see Muslims repeating the Islam is a religion of peace falsehood, counter it. Whether it be in a chat room, on in an article in an online paper. If it is an online paper, just leave a comment at the bottom. Also point out to any non-Muslims that are reading, that Islam instructs Muslims to lie. The comment sections of online publications are a great way to reach new people.
2. The MSM protects Islam and if we had them on our side, things would be much different. The country would have turned on Islam along time ago, and Muslims would be discouraged from coming here. What we have to do with the MSM is counter their claims as well. Once again, if you see an article that whitewashes Islam leave a comment at the bottom of it. If there is no comment section available, look for the contact information and write to the editors. Show them the facts, and let them know we are sick of them covering for Islam. Let them know we are more concerned with protecting life as we know it, than being politically correct. We will not let America die because of the PC virus. A list of contact information for some of the MSM can be found HERE.
1. Islam’s greatest strength is obviously it’s religion status, and our government adds to that by being so protective of it. Obviously sending anything to White House now is a waste of time. But we need to start educating our officials from the ground up. So please take the time to send some articles on this issue to your local representatives at least once a week. Two different contact websites can be found HERE, and HERE. Another thing we can do is point out that Islam is much more than a religion, that it is a complete way of life that includes political and military components as well. We need to mention that according to the Islamic scriptures the political aspect stands for non-Muslims as well. I know this is no a way to live, but as of right now we have no other choice. We have to do the job our government is not doing. (Any other suggestions are of course welcome.)
In order to win this war, I need my infidel teammates to continue to follow the non-violent path in the war on Islam in America. Thank you!
The first thing that came to mind was they did it them selves….. with the un passing the hate laws.and now this happening.. add’s up to them pushing for it to be a law here as they did in the UK then they will have full run when we add the oboma factor … Remember lionheart Christopher.. I would bet all I have it was a inside job !!!!
It had always bothered me whether there is God at all? Whether, as we are led to believe, we are just a product of a long chain of accidents – evolution? Or are we the creation of Someone Special? Is there a soul? Is there any life after this worldly existence? Why do I exist?
A few month ago, some of my friends and I had a discussion about religion and whether God existed or not. And I replied that the most important reason for my belief I believe in God is my complete certainty that there’s no way the Quran can be a mortal’s creation. Moreover, Prophet Muhammad was illiterate.
As no amount of subjective reasoning is going to make sense to someone who is unfamiliar with Islam, I will try to keep this purely objective. May God guide me in this endeavour.
The Quran is God’s word.
A book, claiming Divine origin, is in effect, claiming to be a miracle. Such a claim should be easily verifiable in any age, according to the standards of that age. Muslims believe, that the Qur’aan is the last and final revelation of God, the miracle of miracles revealed as a mercy to mankind. Let us therefore investigate whether this can be proved:
I. CREATION OF THE UNIVERSE: ‘THE BIG BANG’
“Do not the Unbelievers see That the heavens and the earth Were joined together (as one Unit of Creation), before We clove them asunder?” [Al-Qur’aan 21:30]
The striking congruence between the Qur’aanic verse and the ‘Big Bang’ is inescapable. How could a book, which first appeared in the deserts of Arabia 1400 years ago, contain this profound scientific truth?
Scientists say that before the galaxies in the universe were formed, celestial matter was initially in the form of gaseous matter. In short, huge gaseous matter or clouds were present before the formation of the galaxies. To describe initial celestial matter, the word ‘smoke’ is more appropriate than gas. The following Qur’aanic verse refers to this state of the universe by the word dhukhan which means smoke.
“Moreover, He Comprehended In His design the sky, And it had been (as) smoke: He said to it And to the earth: ‘Come ye together, Willingly or unwillingly.’ They said: ‘We do come (Together), in willing obedience.’” [Al-Qur’aan 41:11]
II. BARRIER BETWEEN SWEET AND SALT WATERS
Consider the following Qur’aanic verses: “He has let free the two bodies Of flowing water, Meeting together: Between them is a Barrier Which they do not transgress.” [Al-Qur’aan 55:19-20]
In the Arabic text the word barzakh means a barrier or a partition. This barrier is not a physical partition. The Arabic word maraja literally means ‘they both meet and mix with each other’. Early commentators of the Qur’aan were unable to explain the two opposite meanings for the two bodies of water, i.e. they meet and mix, and at the same time, there is a barrier between them. Modern Science has discovered that in the places where two different seas meet, there is a barrier between them. This barrier divides the two seas so that each sea has its own temperature, salinity and density. [Principles of Oceanography, Davis, pp. 92-93] Oceanologists are now in a better position to explain this verse. There is a slanted unseen water barrier between the two seas through which water from one sea passes to the other.
But when the water from one sea enters the other sea, it loses its distinctive characteristic and becomes homogenized with the other water. In a way this barrier serves as a transitional homogenizing area for the two waters. This scientific phenomenon mentioned in the Qur’aan was also confirmed by Dr. William Hay who is a well-known marine scientist and Professor of Geological Sciences at the University of Colorado, U.S.A. The Qur’aan mentions this phenomenon also in the following verse: “And made a separating bar between the two bodies Of flowing water?” [Al-Qur’aan 27:61]
This phenomenon occurs in several places, including the divider between the Mediterranean and the Atlantic Ocean at Gibralter. But when the Qur’aan speaks about the divider between fresh and salt water, it mentions the existence of “a forbidding partition” with the barrier. “It is He Who has Let free the two bodies Of flowing water: One palatable and sweet, And the other salty and bitter; Yet has He Made a barrier between them, And a partition that is forbidden To be passed.” [Al-Qur’aan 25:53]
III. EVERY LIVING THING IS MADE OF WATER
No mortal knew this 1400 years ago!
Consider the following Qur’aanic verse: “Do not the Unbelievers see that the heavens and the earth were joined together (as one Unit of Creation), before We clove them asunder? We made from water every living thing. Will they not then believe?” [Al-Qur’aan 21:30]
Only after advances have been made in science, do we now know that cytoplasm, the basic substance of the cell is made up of 80% water. Modern research has also revealed that most organisms consist of 50% to 90% water and that every living entity requires water for its existence. Was it possible 14 centuries ago for any human-being to guess that every living being was made of water? Moreover would such a guess be conceivable by a human being in the deserts of Arabia where there has always been scarcity of water? The following verse refers to the creation of animals from water: “And Allah has created Every animal from water.” [Al-Qur’aan 24:45]
The following verse refers to the creation of human beings from water: “It is He Who has Created man from water: Then has He established Relationships of lineage And marriage: for thy Lord Has power (over all things).” [Al-Qur’aan 25:54]
IV. EVERYTHING MADE IN PAIRS
“And of everything We have created pairs.” [Al-Qur’aan 51:49]
This refers to things other than humans, animals, plants and fruits. It may also be referring to a phenomenon like electricity in which the atoms consist of negatively – and positively – charged electrons and protons.
“Glory to Allah, Who created In pairs all things that The earth produces, as well as Their own (human) kind And (other) things of which They have no knowledge.” [Al-Qur’aan 36:36]
The Qur’aan here says that everything is created in pairs, including things that the humans do not know at present and may discover later.
V. THE BEE – Male or Female
The worker bee or the soldier bee is a female bee. In Soorah Al-Nahl chapter no. 16, verses 68 and 69 the gender used for the bee is the female gender (fa’slukî and kulî), indicating that the bee that leaves its home for gathering food is a female bee. In other words the soldier or worker bee is a female bee. In fact, in Shakespeare’s play, “Henry the Fourth”, some of the characters speak about bees and mention that the bees are soldiers and that they have a king. That is what people thought in Shakespearean times. They thought that the worker bees are male bees and they go home and are answerable to a king bee. This, however, is not true. The worker bees are females and they do not report to a king bee but to a queen bee. But it took modern investigations in the last 300 years to discover this.
VI. MAN CREATED FROM A DROP EMITTED FROM BETWEEN THE BACK BONE AND THE RIBS
“Now let man but think From what he is created! He is created from A drop emitted – Proceeding from between The back bone and the ribs.” [Al-Qur’aan 86:5-7]
In embryonic stages, the reproductive organs of the male and female, i.e. the testicles and the ovaries, begin their development near the kidney between the spinal column and the eleventh and twelfth ribs. Later they descend; the female gonads (ovaries) stop in the pelvis while the male gonads (testicles) continue their descent before birth to reach the scrotum through the inguinal canal. Even in the adult after the descent of the reproductive organ, these organs receive their nerve supply and blood supply from the Abdominal Aorta, which is in the area between the backbone (spinal column) and the ribs. Even the lymphatic drainage and the venous return goes to the same area.
VII. FINGERPRINTS
“Does man think that We Cannot assemble his bones? Nay, We are able to put Together in perfect order The very tips of his fingers.” [Al-Qur’aan 75:3-4]
Unbelievers argue regarding resurrection taking place after bones of dead people have disintegrated in the earth and how each individual would be identified on the Day of Judgement. Almighty Allah answers that He can not only assemble our bones but can also reconstruct perfectly our very fingertips.
Why does the Qur’aan, while speaking about determination of the identity of the individual, speak specifically about fingertips? In 1880, fingerprinting became the scientific method of identification, after research done by Sir Francis Golt. No two persons in the world can ever have exactly the same fingerprint pattern. That is the reason why police forces worldwide use fingerprints to identify the criminal. 1400 years ago, who could have known the uniqueness of each human’s fingerprint? Surely it could have been none other than the Creator Himself!
The scientific evidences of the Qur’aan clearly prove its Divine Origin. No human could have produced a book, fourteen hundred years ago, that would contain profound scientific facts, to be discovered by humankind centuries later. The Qur’aan, however, is not a book of Science but a book of ‘Signs’. These signs invite Man to realize the purpose of his existence on earth, and to live in harmony with Nature. The Qur’aan is truly a message from Allah, the Creator and Sustainer of the universe. It contains the same message of the Oneness of God, that was preached by all prophets, right from Adam, Moses, Jesus to Muhammad (peace be upon them).
Islam is just a con made up by Mohammad to justify his actions at the time. The God of Christianity is not the same God of Islam, and save the “unfamiliar with Islam” claim for another site.
so you are saying that Muhammad, an illiterate man, wrote up these scientific facts on a whim?
Not everything in the Quran is a scientific fact. The scientific fact fashion is overdue. For example, not everything is made in pairs. You could go ahead and read this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asexual_reproduction
Do remember the Quran is just a text. A text can be bent into anything, especially when it’s written in such a poetic manner.
All “scientific miracles” in the Quran that I read were made by Muslims, for Muslims. Very biased. In fact, great deal of them are made up (such as the story of the black stone being from heaven, blah blah blah, and that the “West” analyzed it and found that no other metal on earth is similar to it, blah blah blah, when in fact, the black stone is a hindu statue of a woman’s private parts, or the story about heart patients (if you have heard of that one) or other tales only the gullible average Muslim may believe).
As for your tale of “everything being made of water”. I believe it’s quite natural and expected for people living in the desert 1433 years ago to notice that water causes crop to grow. And that if you don’t water your gardens and trees, they will not grow unless in rains – regularly.
And if I remember correctly, water was a very important aspect of life a lot of years prior to Islam.
And how come Muslims ignore scientific and historical facts that render the Quran as unauthentic and dogmatic?
The Quran also makes mention of the Sun “rising” and “falling” which we know is not true in any way.
You might like to read this about scientific miracles in the Quran. If you refuse to read it because it was written by a non-Muslim, then you must be unsure of your own Islam. You can always verify any information you read here (http://www.islam-watch.org/MuminSalih/myth_of_scientific_miracles.htm) from unbiased sources.
Especially the following part:
“The Quran is in agreement with the Current science- of the 7th century
A legitimate question to ask when considering the subject of the Quran and science will be: Was the Quran in agreement with the prevailing scientific knowledge of the 7th century Arabia? I think the answer is YES. All the evidence we have is that the Quran did not make any scientific statement that was seen absurd in its time. The Arabs of Mecca were very critical to the Quran in many ways; for example, regarding its composition or regarding the insults to their idols, but we do not know of a single incident when the Arabs objected to a Quranic verse because of a scientific issue. That tells us that the Quran did not say anything that was outside the Arab’s current scientific knowledge. From the scientific point of view the Arabs of Mecca were very happy about the Quran.”
Yes, he was illiterate.
He did not reason them out.
Nor did he “write up” anything on a whim.
I believe that his revelation is profane, not holy. Whatever visited him, it was not the Archangel Gabriel.
We judge Islam based on Matthew Chapter 7, which makes it clear that a prophet and his prophecy are to be judged by what comes of them.
Corruption comes from Islam, it has for the entire period of Islam’s existence.
Therefore, the revelation of Muhammad was corrupt, unholy, and in fact, dangerous to humanity in this world and in the next.
We who did not carry the mark of the beast, even if you behead us, will be exalted.
We are saved.
Jesus the Christ has saved us. And none other.
You exalt a deity of the world, of hatred, who commands you to despise, kill, and fight.
And when you’ve destroyed every person who is haram, what’s to stop you from turning on yourselves?
You already do destroy yourselves where you make up more than 80% of the population in any land!
I tried reading this but got no further than the Koran is a miracle of miracles…a mercy to mankind. Mercy? Where is the mercy for the victims of stoning, amputations, lashing and let’s not forget the unfortunate non-Muslims burned to death in their places of worship. Where is the mercy for little girls circumcised, sold to old men, forced to cover up in heatwaves? Any deity claiming superiority over humans should not condone these acts. Try rational thinking.
Okay Emmi. Ignore whatever you feel is wrong. Read the complete post. And then, give a scientific reasoning.
And you are right – Islam never said we should be cruel. We are only allowed to punish or wage war against those who are in battle against us – its more like don’t be quiet against injustice.
We have been asked to invite everyone to Islam and if they refuse and as long as they don’t cause any harm t’o us, we are supposed to say,”You go your way, I will go my way. Peace be upon you”
All i was saying with the long post was this – it proves w/o doubt that th Quran isa book of God. Once you accept that or reject it, please let me know.
Its true that most of the people who call themselves Muslims are the vilest filthiest creatures on earth.
If you want to see true Islam, come, if you ever may, to a district in Kerala, India called Malappuram. The muslims here pray five times a day, give chraity to the poor, treat women with respect and are some of the noblest people on earth. They are genuinely happy and pious.
The taking of sex slaves, and cutting off of limbs is cruel. That is true Islam.
Quran is nothing copying and cheating of Jewish, Christian and Persian books and adding Muhammad’s Hadith to it.
Most of it was written initially by Salman (Rozbeh) Parsi, who is Muhammad’s Slave and initially was a high Persian priest a very well literate man on all religions of the time.
Here is an article you need to read.. And Yes in Islam it is ok to lie, kill.. Non Muslims.. Anything Immoral is ok! as long as it is done to non-Muslim!!
The Quran and Hadith: Which is More Authentic?
1/6/2012
(A worthy read first published in 2009)
The Quran and Hadith: Which is More Authentic?
Mumin Salih
In debates on Islam, deceptive moderm Muslim intellectuals are quick to reject those hadiths that show Islam in a bad light. Little do they know that the authenticity of the hadith, given its remarkably objective and scientific method of collection, would stand higher than the Quran, whose codification was shabby at best…
The Quran is considered like the backbone of Islam although the bulk of the religion is made from the sunna, or Mohammed’s traditions, which is based on his hadiths or sayings and considered second to the Quran in its importance. Practicing Islam is impossible without the sunna, because the Quran doesn’t explain anything about the Islamic rituals or sharia and refers Muslims to take Mohammed’s example, which only comes through his hadiths (Q.59:7).
It is frustrating that whenever ‘intellectual’ Muslims are engaged in debates on Islam, they quickly distance themselves from those hadiths that tend to implicate their religion unfavourably, no matter how authentic those hadiths are. Denying a hadith has become a defence-tactic by Muslim apologists in their effort to maintain the integrity of Islam. Their logic is that Islam doesn’t fall by the loss of one hadith or two, because Islam is kept up by the Quran. On the other hand, those Muslims are not ashamed to quote other hadiths, no matter how unauthentic they are, to boost their argument in favor of Islam. However, an overwhelming majority of Muslims remain strong believers in both the Quran and hadith, which they rightly consider to complement each other. The main stream Muslims consider those, who deny the hadith, as infidels, who would eventually deny the Quran as well. In many countries, your life will be as endangered by rejecting the hadith as by rejecting the Quran.
Behind the declared reason for denying the hadith lies the undeclared, but true, reason. The hadiths come in detailed language and with several narrations that support each other, which leaves little room for Islamists to take recourse of word-game or manipulation of meanings. On the other hand, the Quran comes in a vague, abridged and self-contradicting format that leaves room for twisting the language, as well as meanings, of its words. The Quran is covered with a thick layer of haze; some Muslims use this lack of clarity to argue and claim they can see a picture different from that of its critics.
How authentic is the hadith?
There are different collections of hadiths that Muslims consider to be the most authentic; the most well-known collections are Sahih al Bukhari and Sahih Muslim. Other collections include Al Nissaey, Al Tirmithy, Ibn Dauod and Ibn Maja. Together, these six collections are called the authentic six, the Sahih Sitta.
The ‘science of hadith’ (Ilmul Hadith) is a well-known and prestigious speciality in all Islamic university. It teaches how those scholars managed to gather their collections and how they undertook arduous journeys, travelling the Islamic world, to accomplish their objective. The methodology they used, considering its time, was exemplary. They studied each hadith in details; its text and its chain of narrations and classified them into grades according to their authenticity. Even by today’s standards, their scholarship and dedication to objectivity was amazing. Most of the two hundred thousand or so hadiths that were subjected to their thorough assessment were rejected and only a few thousands made it to their Sahih (authentic) books. Their objectivity meant that many ‘good looking’ hadiths had to be rejected while others, not so good looking ones, had to be included because of the evidence available in their support. If Muslims can be proud of anything at all, objective academic approach, adopted by those scholars in collecting the hadiths, would top the list.
Those early Muslim scholars, like Al Bukhari and Muslim, were no ordinary people; they were well-informed highly educated and intelligent, and most of all dedicated to honest research to find the true life of the prophet. In short, they were the geniuses of their time. It is laughable that some modern Muslims, with questionable knowledge and education, dare to dismiss the brilliant works of those illustrious scholars as faulty, just because they don’t go well with their biased opinions.
How authentic is the Quran?
Q.2: 106. Any verse We abrogate or cause to be forgotten, We substitute with something better or similar. Don’t you know that Allah can do anything?
The above verse is a short answer to those, who claim the Quran was preserved in a tablet in heaven. The verse is a clear admission that the Quran contains contradicting (Muslims call it abrogated) verses, as well as verses that have been completely forgotten! But one need not worry; Allah was capable of bringing similar verses or even of replacing them with better ones!
Unlike the hadith, the collection of the Quran was politically motivated and employed no methodology or high standard of scrutiny that characterized the collection of hadiths. The vulnerability of the Quran lies in the fact that the presence of only one error, say a misplaced word or letter, is a good enough proof that the entire book is a hoax.
It is essential in Islam to believe that the Quran is the preserved word of Allah. Therefore, it has an unquestionable authenticity. Indeed, Muslims never question the authenticity of the Quran, which is where their problem lies. They believe that the reason why Islam came to existence was the distortion that entered the previous Holy Scriptures. In other words, Muslims believe that Allah revealed the Quran with the determination to preserve it. With that in mind, one would expect Allah to have employed extraordinary measures to preserve what is supposed to be the most important and final divine document to mankind. But He didn’t! In fact, all the circumstances and ways the Quran was revealed, and it was handled by Allah’s beloved prophet, it was an ideal setting for the Quran to be corrupted if not lost, which it did.
1. The Quran was revealed to Mohammed, who was, as Muslims insist, illiterate and, therefore, unable to verify the accuracy of the scripts written for him by some volunteering scribes of no high standard. Trusting Mohammed with the Quran is a greater blunder than trusting an illiterate person to edit New York Times. With a document as important as the Quran, it would not be enough just to assume that the scribes were honest and trustworthy, especially that at least one of them, Abdulla Ibn Abi Al Sarh, admitted that he regularly made changes to the text of the Quran without Mohammed even noticing! [1]
2. Muslims claim that the Quran was completely written during Mohammed’s life time, but there is no acceptable evidence to support such a claim. It is logical to believe that the Quran was not properly written in the first thirteen years of Islam, while Mohammed was still in Mecca because he simply didn’t have the resources to do it. One would expect that writing down the Quran might have been Mohammed’s first priority after he assumed power in Medina, but he was too busy in wars to think of it.
After establishing his Islamic state in Medina, Mohammed could have ordered a formal recording, indexing and safe-keeping of the most important document of Islam. Even he could have stamped it because he owned a stamp. But Mohammed did nothing of that sort, which indicates that he never took the matter seriously. In fact, there are reasons to believe that Mohammed actually benefitted from that chaotic state of the Quran. An undocumented Quran gave Mohammed the freedom to change his mind or contradict himself and get away with it, claiming that the earlier memorized verses had been forgotten or faded away from memory. Recording the ‘revealed’ verses in Medina took place in a casual manner; the job was carried out by whoever was available from those volunteering scribes. Some verses were written by more than one scribe, causing confusion, while others may never had the chance to be written at all, causing even more confusion.
3. The Quran was revealed, in the seventh century, in Arabic, a language that had not yet a well-developed script. Many Arabic words with different meanings shared the same script. The Arabs solved this problem by adding different numbers of dots to the letters that share the same appearance, but that solution came years after Mohammed’s death. As an example, the Arabic word harb, which means war, has the same appearance like a dozen other words with completely different meanings, like these: حرب.خرب.حزب.جرب.حزن.جزت.حزت.خزن(The above words mean: war, damaged, party, tried, sadness, rewarded, caused pain, stored)If you strip the letters from their dots, all the words look exactly the same, and it was left to the readers’ commonsense and intelligence to work out which particular word was meant by a particular script.
Ideally, for a better preservation of the Quran, Allah should have educated Mohammed and created the dots before ‘revealing’ the Quran.
The Arabs claim that their language is a superior language, hence chosen by Allah as His official means of communication. Other Muslims agree with that claim and praise the language as the most beautiful, without even speaking or understanding the language. The truth is that Arabic is a complicated language that is difficult to develop especially that it is now attached to the Quran, which is holding it back.
Even in our time, and after the ‘invention’ of the dots, reading an Arabic text is still a guess work. Arabic books and newspapers are printed without the diacritical marks to reduce the clutter around the words. The diacritical marks were ‘invented’ over a century after the dots. Without the diacritical marks, the fourth word in the above example, Jarab, could be read as follows: Jarraba=tried, Jurriba=has been tried, Jarab=plague, Jurub= suffering of plague!
4. Writing technology in Arabia was very primitive and employed poor quality and perishable writing materials like palm leaves and bones.
Although we read the Islamic history only from it’s heavily biased Islamic sources, but we frequently stumble upon some historical facts like the following:
Ibn Massoud was renowned among Mohammed’s companions as the most notable in his knowledge of the Quran; it is claimed that he recorded his own copy which he kept with him. Ibn Massoud’s copy of the Quran was significantly different from the official copy of Uthman, which he refused to recognize (2). Some verses were lost, even the ones kept in Mohammed’s own house! Aysha admitted that she used to keep the “stoning verse” under her bed until it was eaten by a goat! [3]
Al-Hajaj Ibn Youssef Al-Thakafi, the ruthless ruler of Iraq during the Umayyad dynasty, made many changes to the official Quran many years after Uthman. [4]
Political corruption, power struggle and instability characterised the period of Uthman’s rule. It was in such an unhealthy political climate when Uthman ordered the compilation of the Quran.
Uthman sent four copies of his official Quran to the various regions of the expanding Islamic state and kept one copy in Medina. None of those copies seem to have survived. There is no evidence that any of the old copies of the Quran, that we have today, dates back to Uthman’s time. The oldest copy available, which is the manuscripts of Sana’a (Yemen), dates back to many decades after the time of Uthman and contains significant differences from the current Othmanic version of the Quran. [5]
Many Muslim scholars are aware of the weakness of the argument that the Quran was documented during Mohammed’s time. They claim that the Quran was preserved mainly in Muslims’ chests, the written documentation was only a backup! Unfortunately for them, making such a claim is like digging the grave for the Quran, because the main reason behind writing a formal copy of the Quran, and burning all the others, was to stop the disagreements between Muslims. The Quranic verses that were preserved in the Muslims’ chests were so different that they accused each other with kufr (unbelieving)!
The Quran is probably the least authentic document in Islam as evidenced from the state of confusion and disagreements that prevailed amongst early Muslims. The early Muslims disagreed on what constituted part of the Quran and what didn’t. Ibn Massoud’s copy of the Quran included two chapters less than Uthman’s copy, because he did not believe the last two chapters were actually Quranic chapters.[2] Others reported that Surat Tauba (Chapter Nine, which contains 129 verses) used to be as long as Surat Bakara (Chapter Two, which contains 286 verses) before the verses went missing [2]. Abdullah Ibn Umar reportedly said, ‘Let none of you say, “I have got the whole of the Qur’an.” How does he know what all of it is? Much of the Quran has gone’. Let him say instead, I have got what has survived (6). The enormous amounts of repetitions and contradictions could be an indication of some degree of duplication and manipulation of the original text.
According to the existing Quran, the penalty for adultery is only described in verses Q. 24:2 (flogging hundred lashes) and Q4: 15 (house detention), and nowhere in the Quran is stoning mentioned. However, Muslims agreed for fourteen hundreds years that the penalty of adultery is stoning to death, because the verse, which abrogated the above two verses, was there and remains effective in its orders, hukman, even though its words were cancelled, kawlan. We can add this logic to the pile of other bizarre justifications, used by Muslims, to understand the Quran. However, we have the right to ask: why Allah keeps in the Quran the obsolete verses and omits the valid ones?
Sounds like smoke and reflectins to me. Most of these things are plain observation and little more. Word plays around fresh and salt water, smoke and gas, and so on do not constitute scientific fact or anything else. The hideous quran is a hack job meant to do little more than to keep people obedient to the sick whims of hammadmo. Thuggery, and fear are the main motivators through out. Self imposed ignorance, lunacy, and death are the only results it has to show for 1400 years in practice. As with all such scams it has to try to gain credibility by attaching its self to something considered more genuine. In this case it leans on Abraham, Moses, Jesus and so on. Trying to claim a place of completion and correction which only the most gullible would accept. Justifying things that it’s former supposed supporters soundly rejected and condemned. A certain indicator of its obvious weakness and forgery of history.
mohammad U Demoniac allah U Faker
The Qu’ran also tells us the earth is flat and that the sun sits in a swamp overnight. You’re dealIng with people here who have studied this vile totalitarian political ideology masquerading as a religion, so we know the truth about the garbage in your unholy tome. You’ll have to go elsewhere to peddle your BS because nobody here is buying it.
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The scientific evidences of the Qur’aan clearly prove its Divine Origin.
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Not true.
The “scientific evidences” indicate that the Quran is of the world, of nature.
Your Allah is an elemental spirit of nature.
There is nothing holy about him.
Science is of nature, of the world.
Theology, of which Islam has very little or none, is truly divine.
Philosophy is divine.
Science?
Never.
I read the whole post and I don’t see any miracle. If you’re saying that “there’s no way the Quran can be a mortal’s creation” I absolutely do not see it. To me it’s just a few bland observations that are either totally obvious or else completely preposterous. If this is all you have in your miracle book all I can say is I’m not even a little impressed.
That is most likely.. anything is likely by these Muslims
Happy New Year 2012 Chris.
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I agree with the above comment “miles on January 3, 2012 at 10:53 am”
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Just think about this event for a moment.
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How severe was the damage – physical injuries, property damage (especially properties that were not under any insurance coverage). Now, weigh in on the *impacts* of this event – look at the Mainstream-Media & Wahabbi-Petro-dollar funded maniacs’ verbal diarrhea trashing any anti-radical entity as islamophobic.
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When you measure the damage versus impact – what do you observe? Who or what all entities stand to gain from this event? Who or what all entities stand to loose?
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Now, you may think this is radical-islamic-reasoning – “blaming the Jews for the death of Jews” – but it really is how, certain radical-extremist minds work. Attacking ones’ own with minimal damage to gain considerable sympathy & create a much bigger impact – this is straight out of the book of “Taqqiya”.
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Can you think of any strong or even feasible “reason” why a (group of) radical-extremist-muslim(s) might *not* have created this event? I find it completely plausible that this event was carried out by some one or a group, with a fundamental wish to spread Islam.
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This is not to remove our objection (in the strongest terms) to any violence committed against any person or group of people.
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While I don’t condone what they did, it’s largely wishful thinking to think we can battle them evenly within the law when they are using our very laws AGAINST us while the majority of the populace is still totally ignorant to the threat and doesn’t really want to hear about it either. That’s what I run into regularly with people. They don’t want to hear it. They think it’s conspiracy thinking. All the while, the muslims are multiplying 4 to 1 on us. No birth control, no abortions for them. I’m a chess player, and I don’t like the board I’m looking at right now as it pertains to them.
A BEWILDERED TEXAN
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While hiking down along the border this morning, I saw a Muslim extremist fall into the Rio Grande River; he was struggling to stay afloat because of all the guns and bombs he was carrying. Along with him was a Mexican who was also struggling to stay afloat because of the large backpack of drugs that was strapped to his back. If they didn’t get help, they’d surely drown. Being a responsible Texan and abiding by the law to help those in distress, I informed the El Paso County Sheriff’s Office and Homeland Security. It is now 4 PM, both have drowned, and neither authority has responded. I’m starting to think I wasted two stamps…
you cant fight these people till we elect those on our side….all we can do is to “Educate” those who are willing to learn what these little maggots are up to….
Anyone here notice that the muslims, and liberals both use the same tactics ?…….
Logan, found this in a comments section. Cannot blog it as my blog is blocked, as is my FB account:
http://hawaiifreepress.com/main/ArticlesMain/tabid/56/articleType/ArticleView/articleId/716/Hawaii-ldquoIslam-Dayrdquo-secretly-marks-September-11.aspx
Hi Cassandra!
I remember when that was going on. My gov’t might even be worse than the Labour Party. How long does FB have you on lock down for?
Chris – please could you tag this article on your site?
http://www.answeringmuslims.com/2012/01/three-stages-of-jihad.html
As far as these firebombings go it possible they were muslims that did it for propaganda purposes. One time when a mosque was attacked – it was attacked by a Shia convert – they went from saying “hate crime” to “he had a moment of insanity”!
Alleged Queens firebomber wanted to massacre Muslims in mosque, prosecutors say
http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/alleged-queens-firebomber-wanted-massacre-muslims-mosque-prosecutors-article-1.1001193
I fully condemn this act!
Why did he do this? If he wanted war all that was necessary was to legally burn a Quran and they’d been all over his ……
There’s no need for this stupidity. Americans are better than this; not like Muslims. I’m not surprised he’s a psych patient. There are loons everywhere. It’s too bad the violence stemming from Islam is not from mental illness but indoctrination of hate and bigotry stemming directly from the verses in the Qur’an and since it’s labeled “religion” we’ve few legal recourse for persecution by Islam.
Hey Wait a minuet!
Where is all the rhetoric about this man acting out of his frustration at poverty, need for more equality of income, need for understanding the constant shadow of persecution that hangs over him, our lack of multicultural acceptance and understanding diversity?
Oh I forgot, that comes at the hearing or trial so we might all feel guilty about who we are and pity for his criminal behavior while recognizing our need to reach out with more of a diverse understanding about the plight of muslims and other oppressed communities. White Americans after all are the source of this kind of hate. Has to be there could be no other source.
That is of course unless he says he is right winged and voted for G.W.B. Then of course he has been perverted by bigoted religious right winged extremist hate groups. All of those nasty filthy Christians – Oops I mean religious extremists need to be put away for good.
i am a muslim, how you going to win war with islam without violence?
Keep trying Kope.
Kope, you have confirmed that Islam is violent. If you thought otherwise you would know that friendliness and co-operation to defeat the forces of nature that bring disasters, are better methods for survival in this world. But Islamists are forcing the rest of the world, NOTE – the rest of the world, into battle in order to plunder the goods of others and force them into an ideology they have no wish to embrace. Make a list, Kope and see what harm Muslims are doing to others and what good deeds Westerners are doing to help those in need regardless of religion, colour, sex or race. Muslims are causing harm everywhere. Nothing to be proud of.
Actually I have been waiting a long time to see this and have been wondering why it has taken so long. This country is where the persecuted flee quite often, and I’m sure there are many here that have run away from the repression, murder and rape they faced in islam infested countries. In all those places where non-muz have been victums, I’ve long wondered why there hasn’t been more retribution.
Hello Cassandra, are you the same Cassandra of Islam Monitor? I miss “Islam Monitor.”
“A Muslim,” quit trying to justify Muhammad’s evil. No, we’re not made entirely of water. We’re composed of 22 elements.
Hey, A Muslim, have you ever heard of a false prophet? Muhammad the Pervert was a false prophet. Muhammad the Pervert “married” Aisha when the baby was six years old. In the meantime, Muhammad the Pervert “thighed” Aisha until she was eight years, nine months old. Then, Muhammad the Pervert raped Aisha at that age. I’m sure you’re familiar of “thighing.” In Muslim terms, it means that dirty, depraved Muslims can have sex even with a baby so long as they don’t “penetrate.” A Muslim, how thoughtful of Muslims. Isn’t that nice of them? They can “have sex with a baby girl so long as there’s no penetration.” Gosh! Wow! How thoughtful of them. Now, they don’t want to hurt a baby, do they? Do you remember Ayatollah Komeineh?
Muhammad the Pervert also “married” his daughter-in-law Zainab. Then, of course, Muhammad the Pervert committed incest with her. Of course, Muhammad the Pervert got permission from the Muslim god, Satan, also called Allah, if it was okay to “marry” his daughter-in-law. Lo and behold, guess what the answer was? The Muslim god Satan, being a wicked god, told Muhammad that of course it was okay to commit incest.
Muhammad the Pervert was not content “marrying” only one women. That pig Muhammad had to “marry” many women, 23 of them, thereby living in perpetual adultery. Of course, the wicked, cruel, Muslim god Satan, also known as Allah, “told” Muhammad the Pervert that it was okay to live in perpetual adultery. Some of the women were concubines. But, Muhammad the Pervert didn’t give a damn. Why should he? Muhammad the Pervert loved perversion. Besides “Allah” told him that it was okay. Some Muslims accept the fact that depraved Muhammad “married” only eleven women.
A Muslim, we must destroy the Criminal Activity of Islam before the Criminal Activity of Islam destroys us.
kope, you want to know how we can beat the Muslims without violence and then convert them. Keep reading.
Hey, kope, have you not noticed? Evil Muslims are killing each other by the thousand all over the many backward, Muslim Third World Countries. The evil Muslims themselves are getting rid of each other. Listen to the news every day.
Here’s a little secret that you don’t know about: Muslims that think with a human brain, and some have been blessed with human brain, are converting by the thousands every day. But there’s a problem. Evil Muslims are persecuting the good Muslims that are converting. Evil Muslims don’t like it when good Muslims don’t wish to perticipate any longer in the criminal activity of Islam. You see, Islam is like the Mafia. The Mafia also kills a member that leaves the Mafia. So there isn’t much difference between the Crime Syndicate of Islam and the Mafia.
P.S. To the Muslims that are contemplating on becoming atheists. What’s easier to believe, that matter without intelligence is eternal, or that God with intelligence eternal?
P.P.S. Hey, did you know that Muhammad the Pervert prophet said that the earth is flat? He did. That stupid SOB (Son Of the Beast) also said that mountains held the earth together. Hey, kope, have you ever heard of a falso prophet?
Islam is only true religion. No one in the world can deny. Anyone who doesn’t live his/her life according to Islam is at a high risk.
islam puts all muslims at the highest risk. Those who give themselves to islam reduce themselves to murderous thugs. Others, smart enough to avoid islam, are only at risk of these thugs. muslims destroy themselves from within, and then destroy others as well. The only way to end this is to end the quran, and call mohammad what he truly is – a perverted, loathsome, megalomaniac thug that wrote the quran to justify his evil.
“No one in the world can deny.”
I hereby deny.
Tsk, tsk, Quran Quotes. What a joke. Hey, Boy, Islam is divided into many contradictory sects. However, all of them do agree on one thing: “KILL THE INFIDELS.” And man oh man, do they ever murder “infidels.” For example the Sunni Muslims kill the Shiite Muslims and vice versa. Okay, smart boy, which one of these murderous Islamic sects is the “true religion”? Which contradictory Islamic sect do you belong to? Tsk, tsk.
WE MUST DESTROY THE CONTRADICTORY, MURDEROUS ISLAMIC SECTS BEFORE THE CONTRADICTORY, MURDEROUS ISLAMIC SECTS DESTROY US.
WE MUST DESTROY THE CRIMINAL ACTIVITY OF ISLAM BEFORE THE CRIMINAL ACTIVITY OF ISLAM DESTROYS US, INCLUDING THE FEW NICE MUSLIMS, THOSE FEW WHO HAVE BEEN ENDOWED WITH A HUMAN BRAIN.
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