by Christopher Logan 
In the wake of the recent persecution of Pastor Terry Jones, I would like to take a look at the surrounding players and their pro-Islamic, anti-American actions.
First we will start off with another weak Christian “leader”, the Detroit Archbishop Allen H. Vigneron.
Detroit Archbishop Allen H. Vigneron joined with a group of religious leaders in opposing a Florida pastor’s plan to hold an anti-Muslim rally during Holy Week.
“It is possible for an interfaith community of believers to live in peace and liberty, and to do so while promoting social justice and moral values,” the archbishop said in an April 21 appearance at the Islamic Center of America in Dearborn, Michigan. “May we never let the negative voices of the few deter us from working together toward these worthy goals on behalf of the many.
Either the Archbishop needs a history lesson, or he is in the state of deep denial. As for the history lesson, I suggest he starts with the Islamic conquests of the Coptics, Persians, and the Hindu Kush. The “moral values” of Mohammad and Jesus were not even close. Mohammad was a liar, rapist, and terrorist. Is that the message of Jesus? BTW, there are a lot more than “a few” of us. The voices of Islam are CLEARLY on the rise! We are doing the job you are afraid to do.
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“Mutual respect and a common purpose should not just be the hallmarks of relations between Catholics and Muslims,” Archbishop Vigneron said at the rally.
Koran verse 9:29 calls for the dominance of Christians. So what is the common purpose?
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He cited the Second Vatican Council’s document “Nostra Aetate,” which urges cooperation between Christians and those who practice other religions. “The Fathers of the Second Vatican Council,” he noted, “explain the goals that Catholics and Muslims should work toward in society” – including “mutual understanding for the benefit of all men,” and peace between their respective religions.
That is just a death sentence. Has the Second Vatican’s Council actually studied Islam?
Like the Archbishop of Canterbury, the Archbishop of Detroit is a detrimental to Western Civilization.
Second on the Islamic love list is Dearborn Police Chief Haddad.
During the trial of Pastor Terry Jones, Dearborn’s Police Chief testified in court that the head of the Islamic Center of America told him that for some Muslims burning the Quran was worse than 1,000 deaths.
This has what to do with the Pastor Jones’ right to assemble? This is not the first time Haddad has sided with Islam, while aiding in the persecution of Christians.
The third cronie on the Islamic love list is Assistant Prosecutor Robert Moran.
Wayne County prosecutors used Haddad’s comments as part of the reason why Jones should not be allowed to protest outside the mosque.
“As the chief of police told us, this is worse than a 1,000 deaths,” said Assistant Prosecutor Robert Moran in court. “That’s what the citizens of this community believe…it’s equivalent to more than a thousand deaths…the chief of police said this is a risk, that if these individuals go there (to the Islamic Center) … could cause a breach of the peace.”
So all Muslims have to do is make some threats, and Moran will bow to Islam. How reassuring….
With “leaders” like this our enemies have a much lighter work load. Which means we have to pick up the pace. It is our fight and our fight alone, please do your part!
The Archdiocese of Detroit can be reached HERE.
Dearborn Police Chief Haddad can be reached HERE.
Assistant Prosecutor Robert Moran can be reached HERE.
If you decide to contact any of the above, please voice your opinion in a respectful way.
Thank you!
Why is the law taking the rights aways from it’s life-long citizens and letting the new group of citizens who declare openly they don’t care at all about our constitutional rights as long as they can do whatever they want with the laws illegal help.???
Welcome to the site!
All this dhimmitude makes me sick. I hope I will live long enough to see all these morons get beheaded by their new “friends”.
Me too!
Why are you surprised?….and this is the extent of your outrage?
I can assure you that Chief Haddad and his other muslim thugs are sitting back, unthreatened, unworried, unconcerned and completely amused by what amounts to an exercise in futility; your outrage and indignation.
Dearborn Michigan is a muslim city and is ruled by sharia law. Whatever lipstick the spin doctors try to put on the Dearborn pig….it is just that…a muslim city controlled by sharia law….
The first domino just fell…..
And were any of you surprised?….what do you think will be wrought from all this blather and righteous indignation?….you are simply providing your masters with comedic relief…..that is until they have grown tired of your silliness and you wake up some night to find your front door kicked in for: crimes against the muslim/sharia state….
Mark my words…that day is around the corner…
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“It is possible for an interfaith community of believers to live in peace and liberty, and to do so while promoting social justice and moral values,”
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As it was in the Ottoman Empire?
As it was in Moorish Spain?
As it was in Eastern Europe under the Turks?
As it was in Greece, where Christian children were routinely kidnapped and forced to convert to Islam for the Sultanate?
Five Orthodox patriarchs were beheaded by the Sultans of the Ottoman Empire.
The Mozarab Christian martyrs of the 8th century, Sir, were innocent.
How about the present?
Ancient Christian communities have been decimated by Muslim force wherever Muslims dominate.
The Copts hold their ground, but against daily humiliation and violence.
The Ahmadis in Indonesia have been forced by sheer violence to convert to Orthodox Islam.
Do you, Sir, feel yourself to be subdued? Because that’s what Islam commands for you.
Islam has no tolerance, Archbishop. The Muslims you surround yourself with believe you to be spiritually inferior to themselves, and would kill you in a heartbeat if you ever stood up for the integrity of your culture.
Don’t let them catch you reading St. John Damascene, Sir. Don’t let them catch you reading Plato, Aristotle, Xenophon or Thucydides!
Don’t let them catch you admiring the strength of Winston Churchill.
You have repudiated the West.
You have far less authority in my eyes.
The shia muslim who comes to my church for the free ESL advised his teacher that him, all Christians on earth and the church they were both in at the time was going to be wiped off the face of the earth. Further he stated that good ole allah said that all Christians were monkeys, pigs and donkeys. This he said in a church while receiving free help. Only a serious fool believes in this interfaith taqiyya. Presbyterians are no longer Christian in my book as they read the bleedin koran in the sanctuary on Easter Sunday!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! We are indeed on the Bataan death march and do not even know it and are being kept complacent and quiet by our religious leaders.
AmericanMe, many are beginning to wake up. When I first begin visiting with other Pastors to warn them of the dangers The Church faces from islam, I felt Blessed if I found 2 or 3 Pastors a month who would agree to meet with me. Out of that 2-3 per month, no more than 1 would act like the actually were listening and might read the books and articles I would give to them. This past week I met with 3. Between the 3 Churches they Preach to 5,500 – 6,000 people a week. One of the Churches also reaches far more than that thru their TV Ministry. They listened, they were interested, they learned. I’m very confident they’ll read the books, brochures, and articles I left for them. I have gone from not being able to find Preachers to meet with, to having a waiting list.
Due to an accident an amputation I’m on disability and I fund this Ministry myself. I have found the way I do the most good is by placing the right books in their hands, or else when I leave, most will have good intentions, but within a week or 2 they begin forgetting my visit. If I give them the books, and call back a couple of times they tend to read them. Once they read those books it wakes most of them up. Thats why I have to limit the amount of Preachers I visit each month. If you or any other of the Logan’s Warning readers are having a difficult time with your Pastor, Preist, or Rabbi acting like the Archbishop in this article, I recommend getting together with a couple of like minded members and purchase the following books: The Reliance of The Traveller, the qur’an, the hadith of bukhari, and all 5 (soon to be 6) of Dr Mark Gabriel’s books, and make SURE to recommend this web site!. After your Church leader has had time to really get into those books and ONLY then, give them a copy of Muslim Mafia, and or any of Dr Pipes, or Dr Spencer’s books. If you don’t see a significant change in your Church leaders attitude after that, its time to find a new Church home!
Have Faith AmericanMe, The Church and the Nation are beginning to awaken!
I’m hoping that if you can manage an educational regimen, you should study Christian theology. You understand that there are precise Biblical arguments against Islam, but our ammunition goes far beyond that.
As a historian, I’m in no position to make theological arguments.
But I believe that you are, and you’ll get stronger with time.
We judge Islam.
There are people in the Christian community who might ask, by what right do we judge Islam?
The truth on its face is in Matthew 7.
Christians have the right to judge other prophecies, prophets, movements and directions the community is taking.
Christians also have the right to judge what is beyond themselves because that process is essential to how a specific community or individual understands the world.
Without your specific kind of judgment, the world would be impoverished.
We must make it clear that the West is entitled to its own interpretation of the content and history of Islam.
Muslims have always given themselves the right to judge the West.
They have never once questioned themselves.
Never once retreated from an evil course–
They took slaves in 620 A.D.
They take slaves today.
They conquered in 610 A.D.
They are still conquering today.
The West has done several things in its history, and then changed its mind.
We abolished slavery.
Several times!
We allowed independence in former colonies.
We retreated.
Islam has never done any such thing.
Thank you for your reply. I attend a large Protestant Church with a TV ministry. I have talked with my pastor and others at my church and know I have opened eyes. I did in fact recommend several of the books you listed but thank you for the names of the others.
It is hard to have faith though when the two largest and most prestigous Presbyterian churches in my large city read the koran on 9-11 and Easter Sunday and one even put korans in the bench backs! I am not now and never have been Presbyterian but know many nice people who are. Because of the indoctrination they are receiving at their church they will not even listen to one word from me.
As usual eib well said. If I remember correctly you have stated in the past you are Catholic, if so your words will have much more impact on the Archbishop than my letter to him. I hope he see’s this post of yours, esp. this part: “You have repudiated the West.
You have far less authority in my eyes.”
If he has any self-respect at all, those words will get to him! Keep up the great work!
I am a Catholic, but I make it very clear that I’m a Christian first. Catholic means “universal.”
That doesn’t mean that the entire world becomes Catholic.
It means that Jesus Christ is the savior of all humanity, the redeemer of the world.
Catholic is an adjective.
Christian is what the Church precisely is.
I study the prayers and ideas of other denominations, and my interest in bringing us closer to an understanding of our connection to the Orthodox Churches is very strong.
These are the people who have lived with Islam. They know what it demands and how one may keep one’s integrity in spite of the onslaught of profanity.
You will never, ever hear an Orthodox clergyman assert that God and Allah are the same deity.
He knows better.
Christians are burned alive by the hundreds in Nigeria by . . . MUSLIMS!
Every perpetrator at Beslan was a Muslim, every victim was Christian.
What does that tell you about the tolerance of Islam?
The Southern Sudanese people are enslaved by Muslims.
You say nothing, Archbishop!
i will be in dearborn on friday 4/29 to protest the violation of jones’s 1st amendment rights.
God Bless you!
Loganswarning reveals the spiritual cowardice of the Archibishop proving he is an incompetent Archbishop. Christianity does not tolerate evil, but here the Archbishop is encouraging it.
Is Chief Haddad Islamic? Does he not have an oath of office on file? His elevation of Sharia above the Bill of Rights would violate any such oath. If he is Islamic he has also elevated personal concerns over his official duties. I smell an “Official Oppression” case in the making.
@ Logan,
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I’m sorry I plan to digress from the topci of discussion.
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Sometime in one of these posts, you should also mention about Sikhism. This religion had developed in the cradle of many religions – India / Bharath; in a place today called Punjab.
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If one researches the reason/s for the people of Punjab to take the *sword* as one of the five items they should always have with them (a commandment of the Sikh religion), one will know the extent of barbarity that Muslims had brought to the sub-continent.
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In my opinion, the *MOST SIGNIFICANT* reason for a bunch of Buddhists-Hindus-Jains (that were the native populace of Punjab) to adopt all that is completely opposite to Buddhism-Jainism (I won’t say Hindu-ism – because violence is completely justified & murder is part & parcel of almost every Hindu mythology) – is the constant burglary, enslavement & other such ISLAMIC HALAL BARBARISM that was meted out to those people.
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When Barbarism faces Nobility – at least some part of the Noble population HAVE TO BECOME BARBARIC to oppose the barbarians. IMHO, Sikhs are that particular force that had prevented the fate of Egypt or Syria or any of the North African nations to have been written all across the length & breadth of the sub-continent. Even with such a force, the barbaric brainless zombies etched out two huge amounts of lands for themselves (Impure & Dirty Pakistan and pro-arabic & anti-bengali Bangladesh – both names are oxymoronic to the societies & people they represent; hence the adjectives).
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Once again sorry for digressing – just wanted to share a thought.
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I do know the Sikhs have been under tremendous pressure from Islam and some of their Hindu neighbors.
It’s worthy to note that when President Obama had a chance to visit the Golden Temple of Amritsar, he did not do so.
More reason to suspect that his true faith might be Islam.
Frankly, and if it were safe, I’d visit Amritsar in a second.
My letter to the Archbishop of Detroit:
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Archbishop Vigneron,
Sir, as a Pastor myself, who has spent several years studying Islam, and who witness’s to and Ministers to Muslims, I have a few questions I would like to respectfully ask you. Have you ever read and studied the Qur’an; the aHadith? Sharia Law? If you have read and studied these 3, would you mind helping me understand this:
“It is possible for an interfaith community of believers to live in peace and liberty, and to do so while promoting social justice and moral values,” the archbishop said in an April 21 appearance at the Islamic Center of America in Dearborn, Michigan. “May we never let the negative voices of the few deter us from working together toward these worthy goals on behalf of the many.”
If you haven’t read or studied the above referenced books, then I’m even more perplexed by your comments. Islam denies that Jesus is the Christ. Islam denies that Jesus was crucified. With that being said, how sir can you call them “believers”? I guess you can, for they do believe in something. The context you used it in however, would lead people who don’t know better to believe the Allah of the Qur’an is The God of The Holy Bible, and The Isa of the Qur’an is The Jesus of The Holy Bible. If you have studied The Scriptures one tenth as much as I, then we both know that to be false.
1 John 2: 18-27
Warnings Against Denying the Son
18 Dear children, this is the last hour; and as you have heard that the antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come. This is how we know it is the last hour. 19 They went out from us, but they did not really belong to us. For if they had belonged to us, they would have remained with us; but their going showed that none of them belonged to us.
20 But you have an anointing from the Holy One, and all of you know the truth.[e] 21 I do not write to you because you do not know the truth, but because you do know it and because no lie comes from the truth. 22 Who is the liar? It is whoever denies that Jesus is the Christ. Such a person is the antichrist—denying the Father and the Son. 23 No one who denies the Son has the Father; whoever acknowledges the Son has the Father also.
24 As for you, see that what you have heard from the beginning remains in you. If it does, you also will remain in the Son and in the Father. 25 And this is what he promised us—eternal life.
26 I am writing these things to you about those who are trying to lead you astray. 27 As for you, the anointing you received from him remains in you, and you do not need anyone to teach you. But as his anointing teaches you about all things and as that anointing is real, not counterfeit—just as it has taught you, remain in him.
2 John 7-11
7 I say this because many deceivers, who do not acknowledge Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh, have gone out into the world. Any such person is the deceiver and the antichrist. 8 Watch out that you do not lose what we[a] have worked for, but that you may be rewarded fully. 9 Anyone who runs ahead and does not continue in the teaching of Christ does not have God; whoever continues in the teaching has both the Father and the Son. 10 If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not take them into your house or welcome them. 11 Anyone who welcomes them shares in their wicked work.
Knowing this sir, with all due respect, I don’t understand how you can call them “believers” in the same context as Christians. Sir it also seems to me verses 10 and 11 are a significant warning to anyone who would say what you are quoted as saying above.
I am in no way saying we should hate Muslims, nor am I advocating burning the Qur’an. I have always been taught, as I’m sure you have, we should hate the sin, but love the sinner. I am saying that anytime anyone such as yourself implies in any way they are followers of the only God, you are making my job Ministering to them much more difficult and you are doing them a grave disservice. How can they ever find salvation as long as people such as yourself stands with them and gives Allah validity?
I eagerly await your response,
Dan Cox
Hi Dan,
What % of them actually respond to you? Whatever it is, we have no choice but to continue to fight.
Keep up the great work!
Chris,
I’ve had the grand total of 0 replies!! Its hard for them to argue with someone who knows, The Scriptures, who is unafraid to go forth and BOLDY proclaim The Word of God, and who has taken the time to actually study islam instead of listening to the lies about “the religion of peace.”
I will keep up the fight until my race is over and my Father calls me home!
Thank you for your site Chris, and for all the work you do. This site is very usefull to me. When I speak at a Church, or meet with another Pastor your site is always the first site I recommend. You and the majority of people who comment do a good job of keeping the language fairly clean. That is very important in my line of work 🙂 !!
Keep up the great work my friend!!
ISLAM WILL ALWAYS BE THE BEST.
In its brutality, profanity, lethality, and objective toward the utter genocide of everything that is non-Muslim, I would have to say that Islam isn’t the best.
ISLAM IS PERFECT!
That means inhuman, cruel, indifferent and hateful.
In all these things, Islam is indeed perfect.
Islam is perfect, pure evil.
@ Hussen Re: “islam will always be the best”,
The best what??? The best EVIL cult? The best antichrist??? The best at rape, murder, torture, suicide, genocide, theft, deception, lies?? What?? You have plenty of space explain yourself.
Islam certainly has the best whingers and land grabbers.