Member of Birmingham Islamic Society Responds to Logan’s Warning

For the second time a member of the Birmingham Islamic Society, has responded to Logan’s Warning. As you will see John is here to try and cover for Islam.

John Muhammad said:

As-Salamu’ –

I suppose it does no good to explain that Shari’a is to the running of a mosque as Catechism is to the running of a Catholic church? I suppose that no Protestant Churches have any by-laws or anything written about how their organization is to be administered?

No it does no good, because Christians are not on a worldwide movement trying to subjugate the world, under a barbaric set of religious laws.

Now, one may always cherry-pick your examples and blow them far out of proportion to their importance, and hold these up to be the be-all and end-all of any set rules. I suppose you are aware that if you are to follow the example of the Bible, you are to stone to death those who work on the Sabbath? Yes, that’s in the Old Testament, to be sure- but where in the New Testament was that ever repealed or rescinded?

PROVE they are blown out of proportion. As you see John quickly tries to take the focus off the Sharia movement that is taking place in the USA, and onto Christianity. He also does not understand the Bible is made up of stories of those times. While Koran verse 33:21, states the actions of Mohammad are to be followed for times. Or he just does not want to admit it.

We do follow Shari’a laws, yes- for the great body of Islamic practice is codified in Shari’a. It’s not all about stonings and beheading and the mistreatment of women- if you want examples of Shari’a applied badly, you need go no further than Nigeria, or Saudi Arabia- US allies that we support- both of which have the hands-down worst records of harsh applications of Shari’a. You have to realize, too, that when applied as intended, such harsh punishments are the exception and not the rule. Just as you can find harsh judges in Islamic courts, you can find just as many or more in Western courts- go to any town in America and you will find judges who routinely hand down sentences far in excess of the norm.

I don’t support those countries, and I disagree with my government supporting any Islamic country. (Although Muslims are the slight majority in Nigeria). You have to realize that I have studied the Islamic scriptures, and harsh punishments are intended.

Koran verse 005.038
YUSUFALI: As to the thief, Male or female, cut off his or her hands: a punishment by way of example, from Allah, for their crime: and Allah is Exalted in power.

Muslim Hadith Book 017, Number 4191:
‘Ubada b. as-Samit reported: Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: Receive (teaching) from me, receive (teaching) from me. Allah has ordained a way for those (women). When an unmarried male commits adultery with an unmarried female (they should receive) one hundred lashes and banishment for one year. And in case of married male committing adultery with a married female, they shall receive one hundred lashes and be stoned to death.

But maybe “John Muhammad”, knows more about Islam than Mohammad did.

While we follow Shari’a in its religious instruction, we have no authority to enforce its criminal code- we leave that to the criminal law of the land, that of the United States. We honor our women and treat them with utmost respect; woe be to the man who treats any of them badly. Indeed, one of our teachings is that “he who is best among you is best to his wife”. Now how can that possibly jibe with your ‘all Muslim men mistreat women’ trope? I’ll answer for you: it doesn’t.

Not yet you don’t. But that is the plan, and I do NOT see you condemning the Sharia movement. Do you want to play the exchange verses game? Sure thing….

Muslim Hadith Book 004, Number 1034:
Abu Huraira reported: The Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) said: A woman, an ass and a dog disrupt the prayer, but something like the back of a saddle guards against that.

Muslim Hadith Book 004, Number 1039:
Al-Aswad reported that ‘A’isha said: You have made us equal to the dogs and the asses, whereas I lay on the bedstead and the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) came there and stood in the middle of the bedstead and said prayer. I did not like to take off the quilt from me (in that state), so I moved away quietly from the front legs of the bedstead and thus came out of the quilt.

How respectful. Now point out where I said all Muslim men mistreat women…

I suggest that before you speak, you pay us a visit and see for yourselves what an awful thing this Shari’a is at our mosque. Schedule an appointment if you like; I or any of the brothers will be happy to speak with you or explain how our prayers are performed or whatever questions you may have. All I- we- ask is that you come with an open mind; if you have already decided for yourself what your opinion (no matter how ill-informed) is going to be, we are already at a disadvantage with one another- something we would rather avoid.

I suggest you stop trying to limit the issue to Sharia just in your Mosque. That is just the start. I no longer have an open mind to Islam, and all non-Muslims should adapt the same line of thinking. You call me ill-formed, but why don’t you PROVE it?

All in all, I personally ask you to get your information from credible sources, and not those who cherry-pick their examples and constantly demonize that which they are afraid of. We are always ready to explain Islam and our beliefs to those who are truly interested- are you up to the challenge of thinking for yourself? Give us a call sometime.

All in all, I personally ask you to read through this site. The Koran, Sahih Bukhari and Muslim ahadith, and the Al Azhar approved Reliance of the Traveller are credible sources. Why don’t you speak the truth, and say you are ready to try and cover for Islam? Unlike you, I am not and never will be a slave to Islam. Unlike you I do think for myself, while in another comment you prove you do not.

John Muhammad said: “Why didn’t God have the Qur’an written from the beginning? That’s for Him to know and you to find out- not for Him to know and you to question and disobey until you get the answer you want to hear.”

Here is some advice JM, IslamiCONS ALWAYS FAIL HERE!

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17 comments for “Member of Birmingham Islamic Society Responds to Logan’s Warning

  1. boniferous
    April 6, 2011 at 5:39 pm

    Oh, isn’t John a dumb sweet idiot. He luuuuvs his American Islam. Too bad those who practice “bad sharia” will be more than happy to practice their “bad sharia” on him as he’s just a stupid idiot to them. In fact, the Saudi funding is riding the wave of ignorant American Islamic fools such as John. They’re only paving the way for the “real Muslims”. As we saw on 9/11 that Muslims like to use as defense; the truth is, Islam consumes its own to get what it wants because it cannot agree on which of those within its own community is a “real” Muslim. Hence, the constant civil wars we watch on the news between Islamic sects. Where’s those Christians killing each other over theology? The Jews? Nah. Just stupid idiot Muslims.

  2. April 6, 2011 at 5:41 pm

    “We honor our women and treat them with utmost respect; woe be to the man who treats any of them badly. Indeed, one of our teachings is that “he who is best among you is best to his wife”. Now how can that possibly jibe with your ‘all Muslim men mistreat women’ trope? I’ll answer for you: it doesn’t.”

    Yeah, right buster, that is why you have to drape them in freedom bags, right? I say thanks but no thanks to pislam. I grew up in a secular country without pislam. Neither my mother nor my grandmother or any other females where clothed in garbage bags. In spite of that they were not gangraped by barbarians like yourself because back then we didn’t have any koranimals like you. But what is more important, I was raised by loving parents and grandparents, raised by love and care, not any religious dogmas of any kind, to which I am today very gratefull for. You savages beat your children into submission to allah and force them to recite the koran at an early age. You marry away your daughters at a young age to older men. They have nothing to say themself in the matter. It’s just a transaction and no love involved. They’re like cattle to you savages. And yet you have the nerve to call that respect for women, arselifter! Respect in your “culture” is nothing you earn by good behaviour. In the contrary, respect is gained by shouting and beating people into submission with fear and violence.

    • April 8, 2011 at 7:49 pm

      If it wasn’t for their potato sacks, other men would look at them. Beats me who, though. Most are so ugly you can’t put them in enough sacks.

  3. April 6, 2011 at 10:14 pm

    To all the misunderstanders and muhammadans who have chosed to follow a corrupted path, I pray that you will learn the shining truth about Muhammad and the Companions…

    In the words of the Apostates of Islam, One who claims to be a messenger of God is expected to live a saintly life. He must not be given to lust, he must not be a sexual pervert, and he must not be a rapist, a highway robber, a war criminal, a mass murderer or an assassin. One who claims to be a messenger of God must have a superior character. He must stand above the vices of the people of his time. Yet Muhammad’s life is that of a gangster godfather. He raided merchant caravans, looted innocent people, massacred entire male populations and enslaved the women and children. He raped the women captured in war after killing their husbands and told his followers that it is okay to have sex with their captives and their “right hand possessions” (Quran 33:50) He assassinated those who criticized him and executed them when he came to power and became de facto despot of Arabia. Muhammad was bereft of human compassion. He was an obsessed man with his dreams of grandiosity and could not forgive those who stood in his way. Muhammad was a narcissist like Hitler, Saddam or Stalin. He was astute and knew how to manipulate people, but his emotional intelligence was less evolved than that of a 6-year-old child. He simply could not feel the pain of others. He brutally massacred thousands of innocent people and pillaged their wealth. His ambitions were big and as a narcissist he honestly believed he is entitled to do as he pleased and commit all sorts of crimes and his evil deeds are justified.

  4. filthy kafur
    April 7, 2011 at 2:06 am

    In uk muslims are raping little girls of 12 because sharia allows it (white girls).In afghanistan “Dancing boys” aged 12 to 16 are “owned” (and abused) by Afgah men..it is very common. All over the world sharia is cutting heads off those who will not convert to islam, and the muslims are torching churches and butchering christians…this is all compliance with sharia. In uk we have sharia banks, and all our supermarkets and other food outlets sell only halal food…even our kids eat it in school, and the hospitals force it down patients throats.

    This is all sharia compliance…….
    Believe me, UK is becoming Islamic…. God help us all.

    • April 7, 2011 at 9:38 pm

      In that latest sharia march video some arselifter bragged about UK becoming fully pislamic between 2015-20 which is just a few years away.

  5. Angela
    April 7, 2011 at 4:20 am

    Stoning was repealed in the New Testament. Remember the woman caught in the act of adultery, and the temple priests brought her to Jesus? What did He say? “He who is without sin, cast the first stone”.

    Thus this John Muhammed, whatever-his-name-is, seriously needs to re-read the New Testament for himself. Maybe he might ‘see the light’ for himself.

    • eib
      April 7, 2011 at 7:56 am

      It bears repeating in the subjunctive–
      Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.
      Muslims do believe that they are without sin.
      Matthew cautions:
      If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us.

      Truly, Islam is profane.
      Its brutality shows it to be such, because God, the creator and redeemer of humanity would never desire such evil.

    • New Cursader
      April 7, 2011 at 11:31 am

      I’m becoming convinced more and more that these people do not read (and certainly do not understand whatever they may read). They just accept whatever tripe their Imams spoon feed to them.

  6. Stephen Gash
    April 7, 2011 at 6:42 am

    Birmingham Islamic Society? Surely that should be Birmingham Islamic Sociopathy!

    Islam and society are mutually exclusive.

  7. Dan
    April 7, 2011 at 6:51 am

    John,

    What Angela is refering to can be found in John 8. From your comments, it sounds to me like you are the one who has “cherry picked” Scriptures from the Holy Bible in effort to make your case for Islam. It also sounds to me like my Prayers, and other Christian Brothers and Sisters who have been Praying for you since you first commented on Chris’s page are working. It seems as if you may be seeking the Truth, we will continue Praying for you! Praying for The Holy Spirit to touch your heart and lead you to the Love and Peace of Jesus Christ!

    Perhaps we can meet someday soon so I can give you a Holy Bible? Then you won’t have to “cherry pick”. I can give you one in Arabic or English, whichever you prefer. Perhaps we may be able arrange a civil public debate at a mutually acceptable location in the Birmingham area in the future? Not inter-faith dialogue, civil debate, open to the public, with adequate security so everyone on both sides feel safe
    and the general public wouldn’t be afraid to attend. Something to think and Pray about.

    In the meantime, I and others in our Prayer group will continue Praying for God to open your eyes and heart to The Truth, and The Love of Jesus Christ. We have been Praying since the Birminham 9-5 article came out that God would work on the Birmingham Islamic Society to start a Spiritual Awakening there and lead those involved out of the darkness of Islam, and into the Love of Jesus. We will continue Praying!!

    • eib
      April 7, 2011 at 7:59 am

      I have written it before and will write it again:
      The Lord God Jesus Christ looks for the lost.
      He does not condemn them, because that would be merely to lose them again.
      Isaiah is clear:
      Gods word will accomplish God’s purpose.
      It will not return to him empty.
      Such language and faith is not characteristic of Islam.

      • Dan
        April 7, 2011 at 11:10 am

        Well said as usual!

        • eib
          April 8, 2011 at 6:11 am

          Why thank you. Coming from a religious leader like yourself, I consider that a high compliment.

  8. April 8, 2011 at 7:59 pm

    To understand the abject stupidity of arselifters, you can’t go past the last paragraph.

    They say we can’t question God as he is beyond our understanding. Yet they turn around and claim that God cannot have a Son. Therein, they deny God’s omnipotence and ability to do whatever he pleases.

    And still, there’s the issue of the Satanic Verses and allah’s daughters.

    So arselifters, tell us, why couldn’t Mahound tell who was speaking to him? Is the entire koran Satan’s work? If the koran is as uncorrupted as you claim, explain the Satanic Verses.

  9. May 1, 2011 at 1:29 pm

    I was at the mathematical school, where the master taught his pupils after a method scarce imaginable to us in Europe. The proposition and demonstration were fairly written on a thin wafer, with ink composed of a cephalic tincture. This the student was to swallow upon a fasting stomach, and for three days following eat nothing but bread and water. As the wafer digested, the tincture mounted to his brain, bearing the proposition along with it. But the success has not hitherto been answerable, partly by some error in the quantum or composition, and partly by the perverseness of lads, to whom this bolus is so nauseous, that they generally steal aside, and discharge it upwards before it can operate; neither have they been yet persuaded to use so long an abstinence as the prescription required.

    Deere 310e

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