IPT’s Steve Emerson Shows his Ignorance on Islam!

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I have seen more than enough Islamic expansionism in America, to see that we are losing ground to Islam on a daily basis. Two of the main reasons we are losing this war is the reluctance to actually name the enemy, and supply long term answers. Unfortunately many of the most prominent names in this field can do no better than lay the blame on “Islamism”, and promote Dr.Mohamed “Zuhdi” Jasser as the savior of America. But the reality is that Islam itself is the problem, and after all of these years Jasser does not even have one Mosque that supports him. Promoting him is a complete waste of time.

In the past I have pointed out that Daniel Pipes, Frank Gaffney, Brigitte Gabriel, and Brooke Goldstein, are all guilty of perpetrating this crime upon America. In my “How do you win a war When you Have no Answers” article, I did also mention the Investigative Project of Terrorism’s (IPT) Steven Emerson. Since then I have not mentioned a word about him, but after tonight’s conversation with IPT on Twitter, I have no choice but to expose his ignorance and support for Islam itself.

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As you can see, Steve ignorantly stated there are different “interpretations” of Islam. Implying that there is a “good” Islam out there, that is going to defeat the “bad” Islam. But when I called him on it, he exited the building! I even tried to help him out and pointed him in the right direction….

Christopher Logan     ‏@LogansWarning

@TheIPT @Brynmr @AcharyaS @ImaniAmil I will help you out. Koran 9:29, and 9:33. #NAI #Islam

I believe if you take a position on such a serious topic as Islam, you should be able to back it up. Not to make this post too long, I will post two translations that back up my point. Although I could easily add many more.

Koran verse 9:29 from Altafsir:

Fight those who do not believe in God, nor in the Last Day, for, otherwise, they would have believed in the Prophet (s), and who do not forbid what God and His Messenger have forbidden, such as wine, nor do they practise the religion of truth, the firm one, the one that abrogated other religions, namely, the religion of Islam — from among of those who (min, ‘from’, explains [the previous] alladhīna, ‘those who’) have been given the Scripture, namely, the Jews and the Christians, until they pay the jizya tribute, the annual tax imposed them, readily (‘an yadin is a circumstantial qualifier, meaning, ‘compliantly’, or ‘by their own hands’, not delegating it [to others to pay]), being subdued, [being made] submissive and compliant to the authority of Islam.

Koran verse 9:33 from Altafsir:

He it is Who has sent His Messenger, Muhammad (s), with the guidance and the religion of truth, that He may manifest it, make it prevail, over every religion, all the religions which oppose it, even though the disbelievers be averse, to this.

Koran verse 9:29 from Sahih International:

Fight those who do not believe in Allah or in the Last Day and who do not consider unlawful what Allah and His Messenger have made unlawful and who do not adopt the religion of truth from those who were given the Scripture – [fight] until they give the jizyah willingly while they are humbled.

Koran verse 9:33 from Sahih International:

It is He who has sent His Messenger with guidance and the religion of truth to manifest it over all religion, although they who associate others with Allah dislike it.

Now you might be asking yourself what point is in exposing this. My point is that we are not wining this war, and Brigitte Gabriel, Daniel Pipes, Frank Gaffney, and Steven Emerson are some of the biggest names in this field. Their attempt to create agood” Islam is nothing more than a fantasy land policy, that has been a huge failure!

The tooth fairy is not coming to save the day!

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As President of North America Infidels (NAI), I give you my word that we will never join that camp that is $elling America a bridge to nowhere. We will continue to name Islam itself as the enemy, and continue to provide long term solutions such as America becoming energy independent, ending Muslim immigration, and Mosque construction. It is time for a regime change! So please join thousands of other patriotic infidels by “liking” our Facebook page today!

Thank you,

Christopher

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Tommy Hunt
8 years ago

Emerson never responded to my question about apostasy either. These so called defenders of freedom are like Moslems who make statements (and accusations) then refuse to back them up. There is no “interpretation” regarding apostasy. Apostates are to be killed plain and simple and THAT ALONE is enough to make Islam absolutely unacceptable to the West. THAT ALONE should be enough to BAN Islam from being practiced on free soil. Islamic scholars unanimously agree that ‘Sahih Al-Bukhari’ is the most authentic work in Hadith literature ever compiled second only to the Koran but here’s Steve Emerson defending this vile “religion” by saying it’s all in how one interprets the scripture. Well Emerson, interpret this:

Sahih Bukhari Volume 4, Book 52, Number 260:

Ali burnt some people and this news reached Ibn ‘Abbas, who said, “Had I been in his place I would not have burnt them, as the Prophet said, ‘Don’t punish (anybody) with Allah’s Punishment.’ No doubt, I would have killed them, for the Prophet said, ‘If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him.’ ”

Or this:

Volume 9, Book 83, Number 37:

I said, “By Allah, Allah’s Apostle never killed anyone except in one of the following three situations: (1) A person who killed somebody unjustly, was killed (in Qisas,) (2) a married person who committed illegal sexual intercourse and (3) a man who fought against Allah and His Apostle and deserted Islam and became an apostate.”

Or this:

Volume 9, Book 84, Number 57:

Some Zanadiqa (atheists) were brought to ‘Ali and he burnt them. The news of this event, reached Ibn ‘Abbas who said, “If I had been in his place, I would not have burnt them, as Allah’s Apostle forbade it, saying, ‘Do not punish anybody with Allah’s punishment (fire).’ I would have killed them according to the statement of Allah’s Apostle, ‘Whoever changed his Islamic religion, then kill him.'”

Or this:

Volume 9, Book 89, Number 271:

A man embraced Islam and then reverted back to Judaism. Mu’adh bin Jabal came and saw the man with Abu Musa. Mu’adh asked, “What is wrong with this (man)?” Abu Musa replied, “He embraced Islam and then reverted back to Judaism.” Mu’adh said, “I will not sit down unless you kill him (as it is) the verdict of Allah and His Apostle

Or this:

Volume 9, Book 84, Number 58:

There was a fettered man beside Abu Muisa. Mu’adh asked, “Who is this (man)?” Abu Muisa said, “He was a Jew and became a Muslim and then reverted back to Judaism.” Then Abu Muisa requested Mu’adh to sit down but Mu’adh said, “I will not sit down till he has been killed. This is the judgment of Allah and His Apostle (for such cases) and repeated it thrice. Then Abu Musa ordered that the man be killed, and he was killed.

Tommy Hunt
8 years ago
Reply to  Tommy Hunt

But let’s bend over backwards for the moment and give Emerson the benefit of the doubt and say yes there are many interpretations of the Islamic doctrine. Let’s say there are also scholars who claim apostates are not to be put to death. Maybe Zuhdi Jasser makes such a claim. Does this eliminate the “interpretation” that apostates ARE to be put to death? No. If we’re going with the “interpretation” defense of Islam then you have to accept the perfectly legitimate (considering the overwhelming evidence) “interpreation” that apostates ARE to be put to death. So interpreation or no interpretation we are left with the same result. Apostates are murdered and Islam is a vile practice unacceptable to American values and law. No matter how you “interpret” the Islamic doctrine we will still have commercial airliners flying into our skyscrapers.

Tommy Hunt
8 years ago
Reply to  Tommy Hunt

It just occurred to me that IF the Moderate Islam movement’s goal is to make the so called peaceful “interpretation” of Islam the only version to be accepted then this negates Emerson’s dhimmified assertion of many interpretations. Curious.

eib
eib
8 years ago
Reply to  Tommy Hunt

The words “fight,” and “kill” and “dispossess” and the phrase “do not take the Jews and Christians as friends” are impossible to equivocate.
“Death to America” means what it says.
“Islam shall dominate” means what it says.
“Fight the unbelievers . . .” is impossible to equivocate.
“Whoever changes his religion, kill him.”
Kill means kill, it doesn’t mean tolerate or set him free.
Islam is profane.
It is and works against all freedom of all kinds.
Period.

Rick Stanich
Rick Stanich
8 years ago
Reply to  eib

Good Reply EIB

John R.
John R.
8 years ago
Reply to  Tommy Hunt

It means we should be thinking like Sun Tzu here and building alliances to bring down our fundamentalist foes.

13. By discovering the enemy’s dispositions and remaining invisible ourselves, we can keep our forces concentrated, while the enemy’s must be divided. Sun Tzu “The Art of War.”

An Islamic jurist looks for context and places these Hadiths with the rest of Islamic law.

Sheikh Tantawi,the grand sheikh of al-Azhar, the highest authority in Sunniy Islam, wrote against the death penalty for apostates.

Shaykh Muhammad Sayyid Tantawi
[Grand Imam of al-Azhar since 1996]

“Shaykh Tantawi’s ruling on the subject of a Muslim apostasizing has certainly shed new light on this subject, while making the non-Muslims realise that Islam is a religion of moderation. To Shaykh Tantawi, a Muslim who renounced his faith or turned apostate should be left alone as long as he does not pose a threat or belittle Islam. If the Muslims were forced to take action against the apostate, he said it should NOT be because he or she had given up the faith but because he or she had turned out to be an enemy or a threat to Islam. Shaykh Tantawi, in his views, shows clearly how simple and moderate Islam is, a religion that is tolerant and not coercive on anybody. Shaykh Tantawi repeatedly stresses the need for Muslims to acquire traditional Islamic knowledge as well as the modern ones so that they could add to the strength of the Muslim community to defend the religion.” [Introduction of Grand Imams of Al-Azhar]
http://www.sunnah.org/history/Scholars/mashaykh_azhar.htm

We should support clerics like this. But as Reagan said: “Trust but verify.” Look at their actions rather than their words.

http://www.westminster-institute.org/articles/islam-at-war-with-itself/

John R.
John R.
8 years ago
Reply to  admin

Sounds like prejudice rather than logic on your part. I prefer to look at what Muslims say among themselves for Muslim consumption rather than what is aimed at non-Muslims.

If you think Muslims are taking over America then you have a paranoia complex. Logic does not seem to be your strong suit. You remind me of some of the left-wing radicals I have debated over the years. You cherrypick quotes. You generalize. You rely on appeals to fear.

I deal in discrediting real bad guys. You deal in shadows and fear.

I’d politely ask you to retract this blog considering that Steve Emerson was not responsible for the exchange we had the other day. Your suggestion that he supports child marriages, raping POWs, etc. was irrational and slanderous.

ChrisLA
ChrisLA
8 years ago

The Muslim Brotherhood affiliated foreign lobby agent, CAIR, has just released its annual report on Islamophobia in the U.S. (See: http://www.cair.com/images/islamophobia/Legislating-Fear.pdf )
Remarkably, all of the figures mentioned in the article above are on their list of “inner core groups and individuals who promote prejudice against or hatred of Islam and Muslims.”

Surprisingly, my two favorite blogs — Logan’s Warning and The Religion of Peace — didn’t make the cut. I guess those blogs will just have to work harder in the year to come.

Note, by the way, that CAIR always ties the victimhood of Muslims to frank discussions about the ideology of Islam.

Michael C
Michael C
8 years ago

What part of “kill” don’t they understand? (Walid Shoebat’s question for the West).
Sharia violates criminal law: it has no place in the West.
“Sharia is Islam, and Islam is Sharia”, explains Fouad Belkacem of Sharia4Belgium.
Sharia is “incompatible with the fundamental principles of democracy” said the European Court of Human Rights (Welfare party case 2003).
Oh America, Heed Logan’s Warning!

John R.
John R.
8 years ago

Steven Emerson was not responsible for the tweet exchange. I was.

In summary. You should not be engaging in a Sola Scriptura redux of Islamic texts. Islam like Catholicism is a magisterial religion where interpretation is up to the jurists.

If you want to be critical of the Islamic texts fine. But focus more of your energy on keeping an eye on the fundamentalistic clerics who take empty texts and put them into action.

Groups like the modern Sufis and Ahmadiyyas do not interpret the Islamic texts literally and are being preyed upon by the jihadists for not being pure enough.

More Muslims have been murdered by al-Qaida than non-Muslims. We would rather build alliances in the Muslim world with those who strive to reinterpret the Islamic text in non-violent and tolerant ways. E.g. Ijtihad and convincing Muslims that the violent iyats of the Quran have been cancelled by the non-violent ones.

A broad-brushed approach is ignorant and irresponsible.

We will keep our focus on the fundamentalists and literalists in the Islamic world.

eib
eib
8 years ago
Reply to  John R.

Quote:
In summary. You should not be engaging in a Sola Scriptura redux of Islamic texts. Islam like Catholicism is a magisterial religion where interpretation is up to the jurists. – See more at: https://loganswarning.com/2013/10/04/ipts-steve-emerson-shows-his-ignorance-on-islam/comment-page-1/#comment-136940
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I differ.
Islam has no magisterium. It is because Islam has no magisteriium that it is terroristic, and relies on the rule of force and fear:
of the gun,
the whip,
the sword.
It is not a religion of edicts or centralized authority, and has not been so since the fall of the Ottoman Empire.
Stop misrepresenting chaos as order.
And Logan does not have a sola scriptura view of Islam. The texts he examines are wide-ranging and all authoritative.
Islam leaves little room for equivocation or interpretation, the religion is not one of history, narrative or ethics– it is one of war, conquest and the dispossession and destruction of the infidel.
Your failure to study Muslim history is obvious in attributing to these people something they do not and have never had, a magisterium.

John R.
John R.
8 years ago
Reply to  eib

Islam doesn’t have a magisterium, which is why you can’t say all Muslims believe X. You sir are ignorant and bigoted.

I know Muslim history. I know enough about history around the world to have a broader perspective than you do. Were the Europeans much better?

Look at Christian history too. Look at the Christian-oriented terrorist groups in the world today. They are all Protestant Evangelical. The Christian Identity movement for one, Lord’s Resistance Army, Huttaree, KKK,etc.

Extremists can be found in all religions including Islam.

gfmucci
gfmucci
8 years ago
Reply to  John R.

Sir:
We know what Muhammad taught. We know what the Trilogy says.
We know what what the majority if not all the leading figures of Islam teach. Every day we see the awful results of these teachings throughout the world. It is all the same.

So you call people who understand these things “ignorant” and “bigot.” That is outrageously taqiyya-esque.

eib
eib
8 years ago
Reply to  John R.

Quote:
A broad-brushed approach is ignorant and irresponsible.
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A broad brushed approach is the only way we will preserve the West.

John R.
John R.
8 years ago
Reply to  eib

You are wrong. You preserve what is left of Western Christianity by living your faith and engaging in active apologetics.

People get attracted to Islam because it is clear and does not muddy the waters like postmodern Roman Catholicism and Protestantism do.

I’m confident in my Orthodox Christian faith, so I’m not threatened by what Muslims think. I know they are dead wrong. But you don’t convert someone to Christ by beating them over the head.

John R.
John R.
8 years ago
Reply to  admin

All religions call for dominance over others.

Is Christianity any different in essence?

I’m a very traditionalist Orthodox Christian, but at least I have the humility to see the failings of my own religion before I point the finger at others.

Jesus said to take the speck out of your own eye first.

emmi
emmi
8 years ago
Reply to  John R.

It’s a pity you don’t have the humility to realise how boring and pompous you are.

emmi
emmi
8 years ago
Reply to  admin

I agree wholeheartedly with your comment, Chris (Admin).
In the UK we have atheists ridiculing all religions including Islam, yet leap to the defence of Muslims when someone tells the truth about them. They don’t like to see the poor persecuted moderate Muslims made to feel unwelcome here, so they must be allowed to threaten us while being given the best housing, seats in the House of Lords, a two week jail sentence for killing a man in a stationary car while texting (Lord Ahmed) and any other privileges not given to the rest of us.
The problem with Muslims is that Allah has a firm grip on all their actions so they are unable to think for themselves.

John R.
John R.
8 years ago
Reply to  admin

Christians have a bloody history, so what is your point? The colonial period was not exactly bloodless and much of it officially was done in the name of Christ.

What Muslims did during the Middle Ages was hardly any different than what Christians or followers of other religions did. It took the Thirty Years War and the Enlightenment to cure Western Christendom of its bloodlust. Spain, England, France were all guilty.

I’m a Byzantine Christian, so our memory of the Crusades is not of some heroic liberation of the Holy Land from Muslim rule. But rather an onslaught by barbarian hordes that were nominally Christian that ended the Byzantine Empire.

As Jesus said,”Look at the speck in
your own eye.” Matthew 7:5.

In the 21st century Sufis are not the ones blowing themselves up in marketplaces. The Salafis ARE. The Chechens,for example, didn’t start engaging in religiously motivated terrorism until the Saudi

Why do you give a damn about whether or not they think you are going to hell for all eternity?

“There is no compulsion in religion — the right way is indeed clearly distinct from error.”— Surah 2:256

Mr.Logan the only thing your are showing here is just how insecure you are. Cats are more likely to rain down in a thunderstorm than Muslims are to take over America in the next 100 years.

Fault your white Christian neighbors for contracepting and not passing their faith onto their kids. That is not the Muslims’fault.

If you are an Evangelical I view you as a heretic as an Orthodox Christian, so how is that different from the Muslims?

John R.
John R.
8 years ago

Mr. Logan:
I’m speaking for myself and not for the IPT. You should be focused on the exegesis of the Islamic texts and how they are put into practice by Muslim jurists. Otherwise you are doing the same sort of things that atheist polemicists do to Christians when it comes to things in the Bible like slavery or stoning people.

I’m more interested in how Islam is lived and what we can do to get Muslims to come to terms with the violent and intolerant religious texts. Muslims must be made to come to terms with them the same way Christians and Jews have over the past 300 years.

The Catholic Church issued similar decrees about Jews and Muslims throughout the Middle Ages.

If you want an example of a non-literal interpretation of Surah 9:29 look to 19th century Egypt when the Muhammad Ali dynasty abolished the jizya. The Muslim Brotherhood arose in reaction to an Islamic clerical class that it thought had grown too law in the wake of colonialism.

Actions speak louder than words. Let’s focus on exposing hypocritical and violent actions in the Islamic world rather than sniping at each other. Pride is an idol. If you want to empower CAIR, ISNA, ICNA, NAIT, MAS, etc. keep doing what you are doing because it allows them to get sympathy from the masses.

John

eib
eib
8 years ago
Reply to  John R.

Quote:
Otherwise you are doing the same sort of things that atheist polemicists do to Christians when it comes to things in the Bible like slavery or stoning people. – See more at: https://loganswarning.com/2013/10/04/ipts-steve-emerson-shows-his-ignorance-on-islam/comment-page-1/#comment-136942
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He is an atheist polemicist, you fool.
Do you know the difference between the slavery of the Bible and the slavery in Islamic history?
Do you understand that 620,000 Americans died to free 4 million slaves, and not one Muslim has ever died to free even one slave?
False equivalencies galore.
And they are all your failure to understand the history of this religion in relation to its tenets.
The Martyrs of Otranto speak, and you don’t listen.

eib
eib
8 years ago
Reply to  eib

To accuse the Muslims of hypocrisy is to grant that their religion is holy. Hypocrisy exists to the extent that a person espousing a holy faith departs from it to do evil all the while deceiving himself and others that his actions are virtuous.
Islam is profane.
There is nothing of God in it.
Stop ascribing to it characteristics it does not have.
Islam must not be attacked at the branch and neglected at the root.
Its very roots must be attacked and exposed for what they are– heresy, profanity, and the worship of a demon.
On what basis do I judge? See Matthew 7 concerning false prophets.
Do not give your good-will to a wolf.

John R.
John R.
8 years ago
Reply to  eib

So then you cherrypick. Matthew 7 also says to take the speck out of your own eye first.

So then you are saying there is only 1 permissible perspective allowed among Muslims?

Is there only 1 sect of Islam? My initial point is that there are countless sects of Islam, and not all of them are fundamentalist of puritanical.

Wahhabism,Salafism, Ikhwanism. Those I oppose.

Jesus says to love your neighbor as yourself and 1 John says that if you say you love God and hate your neighbor you do not have him in you.

Wagging your finger at Muslims with an angry tone only serves to marginalize yourself and harm the cause.

I prefer to pick a target like Mohamed Elibiary and discredit him rather than fire a scattershot in all directions.

John R.
John R.
8 years ago
Reply to  John R.

It’s more effective.

eib
eib
8 years ago
Reply to  John R.

Refer to Michael C.’s replies below.
Every traditionalist conservative in the West I know of believes as I do.
You believe that a few Muslims are the problem, not the structure and doctrines of the Ummah itself. As such, you allow the “moderates” to cover the violence of the “extremists.”
I see no such distinction. The teachings of the religion and its history should show you that the enemy is not isolated, but global.

John R.
John R.
8 years ago
Reply to  John R.

From a religious standpoint I agree with you about Islamic theology. But from a public policy and strategic standpoint you are dead wrong.

John R.
John R.
8 years ago
Reply to  John R.

No sir. Steve did not send me. All you seem interested in doing is stroking your ego.

So we have a difference of opinion. Big deal.

John R.
John R.
8 years ago
Reply to  admin

You sir are paranoid.

Tommy Hunt
8 years ago
Reply to  John R.

If one were to buy your nonsense, yes. But fortunately we don’t.

emmi
emmi
8 years ago
Reply to  John R.

John R. Another mental health expert. We have tons of them in the UK. Unable to explain why they support Islam , using fiery indignation they accuse the sane ones of ‘paranoia’ and ‘Islamophobia’ and as a result, help the Muslim Brotherhood who invented the latter word to destroy opposition.
Wherever they happen to live in the West, Muslims are now proclaiming ‘I love my country. I love America’ or Britain, or Canada. I think they keep in touch by mobile phone so that they all say the same thing. They are trying to demonstrate an ability to embrace patriotism and love, two concepts they have avoided previously.
They won’t integrate, so don’t trust them.

Michael C
Michael C
8 years ago

“what we can do to get Muslims to come to terms with the violent and intolerant religious texts” (R. John).

This is not up to “us” to do, nor would Muslims accept it from us.
Boko Haram, Al Shabaab, Al Qaeda and other Muslim Brotherhood offshoots have ”come to terms with the …texts”: they apply them daily.

The Koran commands killing of kuffar “wherever you find them” (9:5).
The Koran is “valid from eternity to eternity” (Sam Solomon).
Denying any verse is a capital offence (Manual of Islamic Law o8.7(7)).

Islam itself is violent and intolerant, its law “incompatible with the fundamental principles of democracy” (European Court 2003).

There is no mileage in the West’s trying to reform Islam. We in the West are duty bound to defend ourselves against those who are commanded to kill us. Our leaders are failing.

Michael C
Michael C
8 years ago

The Koran is not comparable with the Bible.
The Bible is a library of books from different authors over a long period. It does not form part of U.S. law.
The Koran was brought to the Arabs through one illiterate man, the same who authorised his followers to lie. It forms part of Islamic law. The death penalty applies for denying any part of it.
“The pedigree of Islam is dirty beyond belief, it is the worship (and emulation) of a delusional desert bandit who made good, and left a legacy of rape, pillage, looting and mass murder behind him.”
(MC in Sderot http://libertygb.org.uk/v1/index.php/news-libertygb/6087-oh-what-a-tangled-web)

John R.
John R.
8 years ago
Reply to  Michael C

The death penalty depends on the jurists. In a place like Saudi Arabia, yes. You would be right in that context. But in a place like Egypt. Not so much.

Again the enemy is fundamentalistic literalism.

Michael C
Michael C
8 years ago
Reply to  John R.

The Manual of Islamic Law, “Reliance of the Traveller”, which specifies the death penalty, is certified by Al Azhar University in Egypt, the highest Sunni authority in the Islamic world.

John R.
John R.
8 years ago
Reply to  admin

Paranoid.

John R.
John R.
8 years ago
Reply to  John R.

Sounds more like a fantasy that you cooked up in your head.

You are paranoid.

John R.
John R.
8 years ago
Reply to  John R.

Look familiar to you. Evangelicals said the sky was falling in the 19th and 20th century because of Catholic immigration.

Same play different people.
http://www.pacinst.com/america.htm

eib
eib
8 years ago
Reply to  John R.

A committed Westerner is not a bigot.

JR
JR
8 years ago
Reply to  admin

You are so myopic.

I’m very close to the Coptic community and have been since 1998. My Coptic friends don’t hate their Muslim neighbors and work with those who are not fanatical.

We live in the present and not in the 12th century.

Michael C
Michael C
8 years ago

“According to Islam …the rulings and the teachings of the Quran are not restricted by time and space. They are universal and trans-time. They can be applied today as they were applied 1400 years ago, and can still be applied till the end of time.”
Imam Ahmad Saad, North London Central Mosque
https://loganswarning.com/2009/12/16/imam-of-north-london-central-mosque-koran-is-for-all-time/

Michael C
Michael C
8 years ago

Hear this from commenter “not an eloi”:
“We must stop thinking of Islam as a religion worthy of tolerance and respect. It isn’t great and it isn’t peaceful. It is a dangerous death cult that should not be tolerated. Groups like CAIR and other Moslem brotherhood groups should be outlawed. Our government has a duty to protect the homeland. The insanity has to stop.
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2013/09/first-photos-of-kenyan-jihad-shattered-massacre-mall-video-shows-gaping-chasm-as-witnesses-say-terro.html#co

John R.
John R.
8 years ago
Reply to  Michael C

We agree that CAIR should go to trial, and those groups that had prosecutions in place when Obama took over should go to court.

The problem with any religious text is how it is interpreted. I’ve spent over a year reading what Muslims say among themselves. I have looked a broad spectrum. It’s diverse.

You have people like the accursed Sheikh Qaradawi uphold suicide bombing and killing non-Muslims.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w2PSbGLJjV4

Then you have people like Sheikh Albani condemning it. http://www.islamagainstextremism.com/articles/dxwaj-imam-al-albani-on-the-ruling-on-suicide-bombings-and-those-who-perform-them.cfm

Fatwas are non-binding. They are legal opinions. Muslim scholars constantly contradict each other.

You beat Islam by subverting it. The European powers started getting somewhere by doing that in the 19th century when they got the Ottomans to abolish the jizya in 1855.

The MB is the largest force of reaction in the Islamic world.

The IPT worked with anti-MB forces in Egypt, and they used our materials in their drive to discredit the MB. You can’t go to an anti-MB rally in Egypt without seeing reference to our work by Christians and Muslims alike.

This placard has been seen all over Egypt.
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Muslims are just as sick of al-Qaida and the MB as non-Muslims have been. More Muslims have been murdered by AQ than non-Muslims since 9/11 because they were labeled as apostates for not being rigid or puritan enough.

The Muslims in Tunisia tossed out Sheikh Ghannuchi’s MB part just this past week.
http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/originals/2013/09/ennahda-tunisia-resign-missteps-revolution.html

John R.
John R.
8 years ago
Reply to  admin

The Christians didn’t overthrow Morsi by themselves.

John R.
John R.
8 years ago
Reply to  John R.

Hysterical. My point went right over your head.

My point was that the Egyptian Muslims woke up and saw the light about the evils of the MB.

Not exactly. The Muslims took the land with help from the Christians who fought alongside the Muslim armies against the Greek Byzantines.

They sort of brought the Islamic yoke on themselves.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_invasion_of_Egypt

You really need a balanced POV when it comes to history.

emmi
emmi
8 years ago
Reply to  John R.

Muslims sick of Al Qaida? In the UK they carry the black jihadist flag, name their kids ‘Osama’ and after 9/11 placed pictures of Bin Laden in their windows.
We had two beheadings in England during May. (Cannot expand on this for legal reasons as cases have not yet been heard) .
Muslims are so sick of Al Qaida that they beat up anyone who speaks out against the flourishing terrorist groups in the UK!! They have Muslim only areas where anyone not living by sharia law is beaten up. Gay pubs are closing down as the gays cannot take the beatings any more. Sharia law is the much loved style of government by Al Qaida.
John R you know nothing. You don’t live with the menace spouting their horrors. No Catholic immigrants behaved like Muslins so don’t try to link them with Muslims. You really only want to air your book knowledge. Where do you live?

John R.
John R.
8 years ago
Reply to  admin

Show me where your solution has worked.

Be specific. What Islamic expansionism?

We will agree to disagree.

John R.
John R.
8 years ago
Reply to  admin

You haven’t proven anything other than your own paranoia and ego.

eib
eib
8 years ago
Reply to  John R.

Been to France lately? Muslims are 10% of the population there and it shows.
Would you like France to cease to be a Western country?
They’re on the road to destruction of their historical civilization and identity, decade after decade.

JR
JR
8 years ago
Reply to  admin

Post hoc ergo propter hoc. Appeal to emotion.

Aggressive secularism and atheism is more of a threat than Islam. The expansion of Islam in formerly Christian lands is a consequence of the former. Muslims shouldn’t be scapegoated for Western apostasy.

It’s the West’s fault. Not the Muslims.

eib
eib
8 years ago
Reply to  admin

Quote:
Aggressive secularism and atheism is more of a threat than Islam. – See more at: https://loganswarning.com/2013/10/04/ipts-steve-emerson-shows-his-ignorance-on-islam/comment-page-1/#comment-137124
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There are many catholic who hold this view and use it as an excuse to ignore history.
There have always been the indifferent and unbelieving in the West.
They threaten nothing, provided they do nothing criminal.
But Islam is a foreign religion, culture and political system from the East that debases humanity and divinity alike.

Tommy Hunt
8 years ago

John R is waving his magic wand. Maybe some of his pixie dust would have helped the jumpers from the World Trade Towers.

JR
JR
8 years ago
Reply to  admin

Two million American Muslims are destroying America amid a nation of 315 million. Tell me another story.

I’m more concerned with the guy in the White House and declining moral and financial standards among non-Muslims than about being conquered by Muslim fundamentalists.

John R.
John R.
8 years ago
Reply to  admin

How do you know Steve Emerson was personally tweeting at you?

If you got a tweet from The Heritage Foundation, you would assume that Sen. Demint was running the Twitter feed. Right?

You really need to get yourself a real editor. If my editor made the assumption you made he would have me for lunch.

You are also committing a serious post hoc ergo propter hoc fallacy pointing to Dearborn and assuming the rest of America is behind it. You are sort of begging the question.

John R.
John R.
8 years ago
Reply to  admin

Steve Emerson does not use Twitter.

John R.
John R.
8 years ago
Reply to  admin

Muslims are 1 percent of the population of 315 million. Tell me another story. Hysteria.

eib
eib
8 years ago

Neither am I.

John R.
John R.
8 years ago
Reply to  admin

Not all Muslims are a threat. Many are. Small-minded bigots paint with broad brushes.

John R.
John R.
8 years ago
Reply to  admin

Why do I care what Pam or Robert have to say? It’s a free country. They are free to believe what they want.

I just don’t happen to share their generalizations.

Tommy Hunt
8 years ago
Reply to  John R.

That’s a gross misrepresentation of what they’re all about. They investigate Islam in great detail.

Tommy Hunt
8 years ago

John R: Let me ask you something. How many generations do you think we should wait for Islam to reform itself into a peaceful religion assuming that was even possible? How many more terrorist attacks and body parts picked off the streets should we stomach before Islam decides to stop the violence? How many more no go zones do you think we should tolerate until Islam decides to join the human race? How much more freedom should we be willing to give up to accommodate Moslems? How many more dead children, women and men should we sacrifice so that Islam can fix itself? Creeps like you disgust me. You’re the one who values his ego over the lives of innocent people – over the freedom our fathers died to protect for us. You’re the one gambling the future of our children’s freedom and their very lives on the HOPE that after 1400 years of tormenting humanity, the evil “religion” of Islam, (oh yes, Islam is evil and I damned well know what evil is) can reform itself and become a good religion. Sure thing pal.

No, you don’t give a crap about people. You just want to be right. Well phuck you.

John R.
John R.
8 years ago
Reply to  Tommy Hunt

I know I’m right and that you don’t know what you are talking about. 🙂

Tommy Hunt
8 years ago
Reply to  John R.

I know I’m seeing an ignorant fool promoting an ideology that not only abuses children but blows them to pieces in broad daylight. Their blood is on your hands, smilie face.

Tommy Hunt
8 years ago
Reply to  John R.

If you’re so right then you should have no problem answering my questions. How many generations do you think we should wait for Islam to reform itself into a peaceful religion assuming that was even possible? How many more terrorist attacks and body parts picked off the streets should we stomach before Islam decides to stop the violence? How many more no go zones do you think we should tolerate until Islam decides to join the human race? How much more freedom should we be willing to give up to accommodate Moslems? How many more dead children, women and men should we sacrifice so that Islam can fix itself?

John R.
John R.
8 years ago
Reply to  admin

The only thing you are doing is becoming more and more fringe by the day.

Tommy Hunt
8 years ago
Reply to  John R.

You’re the one supporting and promoting an EVIL ideology. Who’s fringe here.

John R.
John R.
8 years ago
Reply to  admin

The chances of you “defeating” Islam are non-existent. The experience in Egypt shows that Islamic extremism has a growing number of enemies in the Islamic world.

http://www.egyptindependent.com/news/while-atheism-egypt-rises-backlash-ensues

Tommy Hunt
8 years ago
Reply to  John R.

We’re not trying to “defeat” Islam. We’re trying to stop it from destroying our country and our freedom. You didn’t address ONE of my points. Digging in your bigoted heels I see.

Michael C
Michael C
8 years ago

Hear Nassim ben Iman, former hard-line Muslim in Germany:

“I only see a pure tactic by Muslim officials who want to obscure these truths, to give a sleeping pill to Christian society so that they sleep through the Islamisation of Europe, sleep through a treacherous, false representation and the obscuring of truth. That is part of the strategy to Islamise Europe.

If you are angry about Muslim fundamentalists that’s unfair. Why? Because these fundamentalists represent exactly and 100% Islam, such as it is in all forms. … One must not forget and deny that this is not about fanatics or Islamism, it is about people who follow their Muslim faith from A to Z, who want to fulfill it 100%.

My plea to our politicians and our society is: please open your eyes. … tolerance at the expense of truth is a total stupidity, which will exact a very high price.”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JT_YRjsCmpE‎

JR
JR
8 years ago
Reply to  Michael C

Go ahead stereotype.

emmi
emmi
8 years ago
Reply to  Michael C

Excellent piece of information, Michael.

JR
JR
8 years ago

How many Muslims do you know personally?

Tommy Hunt
8 years ago
Reply to  JR

It’s not about Moslems. It’s about the doctrine that commands, sanctions and inspires evil. There are good people who have made the poor choice to become, or remain Moslem. These people are good in spite of Islam not because of it.

Michael C
Michael C
8 years ago

“Craftily, [‘White Widow’ Samantha] Lewthwaite denied all knowledge of her husband’s terrorism and painted herself as a ‘surprised’ moderate Muslim. In fact, she was a jihadist all along. Her betrayal of those of her own race and culture is a lesson to anyone who thinks Muslims are ‘innocent’ and ‘unaware’ of jihad.”
Comment by ‘mortimer ‘
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2013/10/british-muslima-and-convert-to-islam-raised-children-to-murder-islam.html#comments

emmi
emmi
8 years ago

Chris, why bother with John R? He is here to play the childish game of circular arguments, a game Muslims love to play. When you hit a nerve he pulls out the maniac’s dictionary and accuses the opposition of mental illness, eg ‘hysteria’, ‘paranoia’. He’s either a Muslim or in therapy. His Mum or imam probably think he is clever.

erna
erna
8 years ago

So enjoyed reading all the replies and learned much from it. Also was saddened to hear that Tommy Robinson formerly of EDL had been led astray. There are still many brave Fighters, such as Mr. Logan, eib, emmi, Michael C, Tommy Hunt, Pamela Geller, Mr. Spencer, Geert Wilders and so very many others. Please keep up the good fight, and having done all to stand, STAND, and God bless you all and keep you safe.

emmi
emmi
8 years ago
Reply to  erna

Thank you for your kind words of encouragement.