My Debate with US Army Member Koshin Mohamed~ Part I

Back on August 16Th I posted the following article. “My Email to Fort Carson In Regards to Islam Promoting Major General Hammond~ UPDATED With Reply”. On November 14Th the following post was left by Koshin Mohamed who is a Special Combat Engineer 4Th Engineering Bat. 569 Company, US Army.

koshin mohamed on November 14, 2010 at 12:55 pm

I am shocked how ignorant you guys are about Islam and its fundamental tenants. Let me tell you, I am a warrior an American, who happen to be Muslim. I participated both Iraq and Afghanistan war, defending United States of America. My religion is Islam and will not deter me to fight against idiots like Talaban, Al Qaida. Why do you think such a great religion like Islam condones rape, unjustified murder and against Christian and Jews. Let me tell you. I am Muslim with Islamic faith, so as overwhelming Muslims like me, are not terrorist or anything like you comments here. You are simply ignorant about Islam and suggest to learn more about Islam before you dismiss it as a terrorist religion. My loyalty to the United States will not waiver, people like you make more enemies for our country and need to shut up and listen The General. Who obviously know lots more than you do. He is also thinking only our welfare and the mission to succeed.

As you can see he was angry already, and did not refute a thing.

Here was my response to him.

admin on November 15, 2010 at 12:14 am
I know Islam condones rape, and it also allows the killing of anyone who “spreads mischief” in the land. “Mischief” can be defined as just about anything.
The Islamic scriptures condone terrorism, and Mohammad himself was a terrorist.

008.012
YUSUFALI: Remember thy Lord inspired the angels (with the message): “I am with you: give firmness to the Believers: I will instil terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them.”

008.013
YUSUFALI: This because they contended against Allah and His Messenger: If any contend against Allah and His Messenger, Allah is strict in punishment.

Bukhari Hadith Volume 4, Book 52, Number 220:
Narrated Abu Huraira:

Allah’s Apostle said, “I have been sent with the shortest expressions bearing the widest meanings, and I have been made victorious with terror (cast in the hearts of the enemy), and while I was sleeping, the keys of the treasures of the world were brought to me and put in my hand.” Abu Huraira added: Allah’s Apostle has left the world and now you, people, are bringing out those treasures (i.e. the Prophet did not benefit by them).

Islam also calls for the dominance of non-Muslims.

Koran verse 009.029
YUSUFALI: Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.

Sorry, but the scriptures prove you wrong and you cannot be loyal to America and Islam, as the laws contradict. Islam is the enemy of the free world, and I will continue to speak out against it. Being silent obviously was not the answer. Hammond and the purposely uniformed Pentagon need to educate themselves. As for the wars, they need to end. Iraq is now a Christian persecuting Islamic country, and the Afghan war will go on and on. Nation building has failed, and that is because Bush was uniformed on Islam.

One more thing, why don’t you bring Hammond here and we will see just how much he knows. Promoting Islam only hurts America.

Minutes later I left Koshin on more comment.

admin on November 15, 2010 at 12:22 am
Do you condemn Sharia Law?

Koshin never responded to my simple question.

That same day I had sent him the following email, letting him know that I responded to his comment.

Christopher Logan
loganswarning@hotmail.com

To koshin.mohamed@xxxxxxxxxxx

Hello Koshin,

I just wanted to let you know that I saw your comment on my site, and have responded to it.

My Email to Fort Carson In Regards to Islam Promoting Major General Hammond~ UPDATED With Reply

Thanks,

Chris

Finally tonight after nearly a month Koshin responded, and he was in full blown Islamic conman mode. (For the record his responses were to me and another poster here named eib.)

koshin mohamed on December 27, 2010 at 6:20 pm
My answer to you is simple. You are talking about texts you have no idea what they mean in their original context in Arabic. Prophet Mohamed and Prophet Jesus they were both holy men but mistranslated and their message abused over and over again.

I am not getting in to religious debate with you but I can tell you my religion is compatible with civilized world. In fact it is the newest civilization and contributed humanity. All you can see is what Talaban and Al Qaida say misrepresenting Islam at large.

Check with the millions converting Islam. In fact, United States and Western Europeans are the most convert in Islam. They are doctors, scientist, politicians and so on. The reason this people are converting is the fact Islam given the enlighten people of the world peace of mind. Because they get their answer of the reason of their existence: To worship God or Allah and make them understand that God is one entity and the rest of the world is his creation. NO CONFUSION ABOUT IT.

In terms of Islam allowing rape and mistreating women and so on is cheap propaganda against Islam faith. In terms of violence, Islam allows violence only when yourself, property, your neighbor and your country is attacked by Mujrim like Al Qaida. Muslims like me know the difference between Christianity and those Christians like Hitler, and crusaders who used Christianity when they were committing crimes against humanity; that they were not representing Christians and Jesus peace be upon him.

Please try to make a real case against Islam if you have one, without cheap shots. Check Dean show of Chicago and see how many former Christians, scholars from Harvard, former priests and so on, talking about their experience in Islam and why they converted. The first thing they will tell you is that, Islam includes Christianity, Judaism and all the religions before it. Muslims must believe Jesus and the rest of profits from God before they claim that they are Muslims. This is the ultimate respect one can pay to a religious group. So, to claim Muslims and Islam is not tolerant is cheap propaganda…we don’t tolerate other religions from God we believe in.

Also, look the rights of women under Islam. I am confident you will be surprised.

Finlay, all I am asking is a fair debate about what Islam is and what it’s not. I agree lots of people calling themselves Muslims, commit crimes against humanity, against the order of civilized people in the world both in Muslim and non-Muslim countries, but Islam and its principles don’t allow any of their crimes.

For example, I am Muslim and I am an American. Islam makes me to protect my country against her enemies regardless of their religious affiliation. And yet, there are people in America, Americans and non-Americans calling themselves Muslims committing terrorist crimes in the name of Islam. That is wrong and we Muslims have no other way but to join the forces against their brutality and reclaim our religion. Please don’t make our job harder and make this war what it is not. A war against Islam. That is what Al Qaida wants if you have brains.

Anyone who wants to know the truth about Islam can learn from college campuses, Islamic texts from respected universities and so on. Not from the news and Fox News and radical Evangelical morons who believes if we don’t protect Israeli government the world will come to an end and that Jesus will punish us for our sin by abandoning Israeli government.

Please try to see non Jihadist web sites, read about traditional thought of Islam. Reading about Islam and evaluating it based on what Al Qaida and the news presents to the American people is not fair and misinforming the public.

The only one here trying to misinform the public is Koshin. But he has failed here.

My response to Mohamed was the following.

admin on December 27, 2010 at 7:35 pm
1. The Muslims who translated them know, and I do know people who know Arabic. The bottom line is that you can not refute my statements about Islam.

2. You saying the message is “mistranslated” means nothing. Prove it. Good work on leaving out the fact that according to the Islam scriptures Jesus will come back as a Muslim, and destroy Christianity. Do you not want Christians to know this?

3. I rarely even mention the Taliban or Al Qeada on this site. So don’t tell me that is all I see.

4. Muslim doctors and teachers have become suicide bombers. Their professions do not mean they are not a threat.

5. The Islamic scriptures allow the taking of sex slaves. Which is proven HERE.

That is the Islamic scriptures, not “cheap propaganda”

6. There also no such thing as marital rape under Islam.

Koran verse 002.223
YUSUFALI: Your wives are as a tilth unto you; so approach your tilth when or how ye will; but do some good act for your souls beforehand; and fear Allah. And know that ye are to meet Him (in the Hereafter), and give (these) good tidings to those who believe.

7. Islam allows violence if Muslims are “oppressed”, which can easily mean not being allowed to practice Sharia Law.

Koran verse 008.039
YUSUFALI: And fight them on until there is no more tumult or oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in Allah altogether and everywhere; but if they cease, verily Allah doth see all that they do.

Islam allows violence for “spreading mischief” in the land. “Mischief can be defined as almost anything.

Islam 101: Koran Verse 5:32~ A License to Kill

Islam allows violence if non-Muslims are not willing to pay the extortion (jizya).

Sharia Law (Islamic Law) 101: Non-Muslims Under Sharia

Nazis were not holding up the Bible as they spread their hatred, but Muslims are using the Koran. I am glad you brought them up though, because him (Hitler) and Islam shared a profound hatred of Jews.

Muslim Hadith Book 041, Number 6985:

Abu Huraira reported Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: The last hour would not come unless the Muslims will fight against the Jews and the Muslims would kill them until the Jews would hide themselves behind a stone or a tree and a stone or a tree would say: Muslim, or the servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me; come and kill him; but the tree Gharqad would not say, for it is the tree of the Jews.

Then there was the Mufti of Jerusalem’s involvement with Hitler.

At the Nuremberg Trials, Eichmann’s deputy Dieter Wisliceny (subsequently executed as a war criminal) testified:

The Mufti was one of the initiators of the systematic extermination of European Jewry and had been a collaborator and adviser of Eichmann and Himmler in the execution of this plan. … He was one of Eichmann’s best friends and had constantly incited him to accelerate the extermination measures. I heard him say, accompanied by Eichmann, he had visited incognito the gas chamber of Auschwitz.

http://www.palestinefacts.org/pf_mandate_grand_mufti.php

8. I posted facts, not “cheap shots”. While you provided no back up at all, and I will make this clear to you. Your word here means nothing.

9. For the second time, the Islamic version of Jesus is not the same as the Islamic one. (Proof is provided above)

10. I already posted some of the womens “rights”. They also do not have equal testimony as a man in court. Although I am not surprised.

11. First you say you will not debate, and later you want a fair one. You seem confused.

12. Besides being a rapist, Mohammad was a plunderer.

Bukhari Hadith Volume 4, Book 53, Number 362:
Narrated Nafi from Ibn Umar:

Allah’s Apostle sent a Sariya towards Najd, and Abdullah bin ‘Umar was in the Sariya. They gained a great number of camels as war booty. The share of each one of them was twelve or eleven camels, and they were given an extra camel each.

Bukhari Hadith Volume 4, Book 53, Number 363:
Narrated Ibn ‘Umar:

Allah’s Apostle used to give extra share to some of the members of the Sariya he used to send, in addition to the shares they shared with the army in general.

13. Islam calls for Muslims to fight on until all worship Allah, that is not protecting America.

Bukhari Volume 1, Book 8, Number 387:
Narrated Anas bin Malik:

Allah’s Apostle said, “I have been ordered to fight the people till they say: ‘None has the right to be worshipped but Allah.’ And if they say so, pray like our prayers, face our Qibla and slaughter as we slaughter, then their blood and property will be sacred to us and we will not interfere with them except legally and their reckoning will be with Allah.” Narrated Maimun ibn Siyah that he asked Anas bin Malik, “O Abu Hamza! What makes the life and property of a person sacred?” He replied, “Whoever says, ‘None has the right to be worshipped but Allah’, faces our Qibla during the prayers, prays like us and eats our slaughtered animal, then he is a Muslim, and has got the same rights and obligations as other Muslims have.”

14. One cannot support Sharia and the US Constitution as they contradict, and what I posted proves that Islam is not compatible with Western Civilization.

15. There is nothing to reclaim, because Mohammad himself was a terrorist.

Bukhari Volume 4, Book 52, Number 220:
Narrated Abu Huraira:

Allah’s Apostle said, “I have been sent with the shortest expressions bearing the widest meanings, and I have been made victorious with terror (cast in the hearts of the enemy), and while I was sleeping, the keys of the treasures of the world were brought to me and put in my hand.” Abu Huraira added: Allah’s Apostle has left the world and now you, people, are bringing out those treasures (i.e. the Prophet did not benefit by them).

16. I have read the Koran, Bukhari and Muslim ahadith, and an Islamic Law manual approved by Al Azhar. The world’s highest Islamic learning school in the world. I also do not watch FOX News, so I suggest you know what you are talking about next time.

17. As I said earlier, you word here means nothing. Next time bring some facts.

As I was typing my past comment, Koshin had posted another comment.

koshin mohamed on December 27, 2010 at 6:49 pm
I forget to add, Islam and Enjil (Christianity) are not enemies. They are two great religions but people use it to achieve their political goal regardless of the time and place these religions ever face-off. I also want to remind you, for example the Palastinians bott Christians and Muslims are one side fighting against the Israeli government. Iran also have large Jewish community and they live very peacefully and travel between Tehran and Jurisalam regardless of the political game between the Israeli government and the Iranian Mulahs. The people are not enemies, religious fanatics and morons who does not understand the wisdom of relegion is to blame.

You are also insulting people like me calling traitors of their religion when we are serving the United States of America and you don’t even know it. If Islam and Christianity is at war, why I joined the United States Army instead of Al Qaida and Alshabab of Somalia? According to you I am a traitor to my religion just like Al Qaida calls people like. Please stop it. You need to understand the implications of what you saying.

Believe me, if America ever insulted my religion, attacked my religion, and violates my personal property without due process, I will be the first one to declare Jihad and come to the defence of my religion. But, is it? Is America a Christian nation against Islam? the answer is not. You like it or not. America is even more than a nation, it is an international hope for humanity. Where people of different color, religion, ethnicity and race can live together under one nation under God. And that is why we need to protect America and preserve its ideals. For religious freeks, please get a life and find something you can pass the time to argue about. America is way over your league.

Once again we see that Mohamed has not refuted a single thing about Islam. He talks but supplies no sources. In a video interview of Koshin, he states that he joined the US Military “to see Muslim communities served by American soldiers”. His concern was how Muslims overseas are being treated by US Soldiers. This interview can be seen HERE.
(The 12:30 mark is where he makes these statements) This was my next reply to him.

admin on December 27, 2010 at 8:00 pm
Really, that is why Islam calls for the dominance of Christians.

Koran 009.029
YUSUFALI: Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.

The Christians in Palestine just do not want to get caught in the middle of war, and they are persecuted in Palestine.

http://spectator.org/archives/2009/05/11/persecuting-christians-in-gaza

You come here with this con, and you expect me to care if you are “insulted”? Take the usual victim card somewhere else. You joined the US Military after your joint Somalia-US venture failed. You want America to help your home country. No thanks. I also know why you went overseas and I will be posting it soon. I also will not stop speaking out against Islam. Do I make myself clear? Islam is the enemy of Western Civilization, and the voices against it will continue to grow.

BTW, when America officially bans Sharia you can officially join the jihad. As of now you are doing your part in the Islamic information war.

Since Mohamed could not refute any statements about Islam, he starts in with an insult and makes some outrageuous claims about Muslims in Europe. He will obviously say anything to defend his Islamic brothers.

From Koshin.

koshin mohamed on December 27, 2010 at 7:28 pm
Islam condones terrorism and Prophet Mohamed was a terrorist a Torrist himself. Great, you can say whatever, you want about Prophet Mohamed, it is free country, but you are insulting a holy person and you are the same level of Al Qaida morons who believe, whoever cretizes Islam must behaded.

I am talking about insulting prophet Mohamed (pease be upon him), but he has a history and actual written history. Yes, he was hereo, a fighter who fights evil, defended his religion and people. But, also he waited 10 years to do so, to get justice and seek peace the Arab idiots. After 10 years, he finally authorized the use of force for self defence and ordered his follows to conduct themselves under ristrict rules of war. Never kill a presonner, never kill a civilian, never allowed his followers to kill or mistreat non combatent. Exactly our ROE’s as soldiers. Remember, this is close to 1500 years ago when prophet Mohamed order his followers to conduct themselves as such….if you like to know the history of Islam and the Great Islamic worriors, they were not like Taliban, or the Crusaders. They were very civilized worriors defending their religion and seeking justice.

When Islam come to Europe it was peaceful. Spain people never converted under the sord. They freely take Islam. As a matter of fact, under Islam you can not force your children to believe in Islam. Contrary to honor killing and the other mischievious crimes these days are committed under the pretence of Islam.

So, what is wrong to defend yourself and your proporty? Islam authirizes eye for eye so does other religions. Muslims believe justice, self purity and humanity.

Muslims in America and Western Europe. Those Muslims practicing Islam have no alcohol problem, are not streets selling drugs, robbing people, insulting other religions, and contribute their societies. Those fanatics like Al Qaida and those assimilated taking the moral principles of Hollywood are the problem and you know their number compared to the overwhelming majority of Muslims living in America and Western Europe. Less than 2% of devient individuals are not to blame what Muslims are to their societies.

Our religion guides us to be good human beings and worshing our creator and fear him even no one is watching us. Islam historically are the same as it is current because the Quran (the holy book of Islam), never goes under revision. It is the only holy book writen when the prophet was still alive. No one can even change one haraka (the symbos) of the Arabic letters let alone phrases and passages like the Bible. It is in its original text and its open to critizism and scientific examination (see scientific studies of the Quran). It always supports its validity and its relivence to our lives to our present day.

Finally Koshin was honest about something. He was honest that the words of the Koran stand for all time, in the mind of a Muslim. My next response was the following.

admin on December 27, 2010 at 7:52 pm
No, unlike you I can back up my statements, and also unlike you I do not respect rapists.

(Terrorist)
Bukhari Hadith Volume 4, Book 52, Number 220:
Narrated Abu Huraira:

Allah’s Apostle said, “I have been sent with the shortest expressions bearing the widest meanings, and I have been made victorious with terror (cast in the hearts of the enemy), and while I was sleeping, the keys of the treasures of the world were brought to me and put in my hand.” Abu Huraira added: Allah’s Apostle has left the world and now you, people, are bringing out those treasures (i.e. the Prophet did not benefit by them).

Mohammad had no problem with the killing of women and children during night raids.

Muslim Hadith Book 019, Number 4321:
It is reported on the authority of Sa’b b. Jaththama that the Prophet of Allah (may peace be upon him), when asked about the women and children of the polytheists being killed during the night raid, said: They are from them.

Muhammad was not defending his religion when he was sending threatening letters to non-Muslim leaders across the world. Here is one example.

A Letter to Chosroes, Emperor of Persia
“In the Name of Allâh, the Most Beneficent, the Most Merciful.
From Muhammad, the Messenger of Allâh to Chosroes, king of Persia.
Peace be upon him who follows true guidance, believes in Allâh and His Messenger and testifies that there is no god but Allâh Alone with no associate, and that Muhammad is His slave and Messenger. I invite you to accept the religion of Allâh. I am the Messenger of Allâh sent to all people in order that I may infuse fear of Allâh in every living person, and that the charge may be proved against those who reject the Truth. Accept Islam as your religion so that you may live in security, otherwise, you will be responsible for all the sins of the Magians.”

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:http://www.muhammad.net/biographies-mainmenu-38/28-letters-of-the-prophet-saaw/122-a-letter-to-chosroes-emperor-of-persia.html

(Europe)
Really, I guess you never heard of the Gates of Vienna. Here is a quick history lesson for you.

Short History Lesson of Islam in Europe~ Video

Muslims are causing problems all across Europe. Here is just two examples, and I know Muslims who drink far too much. So stop making things up. You will also not even begin to limit this debate to just Islamic terrorism. That is just part of the problem. The lawful Sharia push is an even bigger threat to Western Civilization.

UK Sharia Courts:Sharia is the law of the Land, Wage war

UK Sharia Courts:Sharia is the law of the Land, Wage war

Muslims Terrorize UK Police~Video

Muslims Terrorize UK Police~Video

Thanks for finally being honest, and admitting the Koran is for all times.

This concludes Part I. In part II Mohamed goes into full proselytization mode. (Part II will be posted today as well.)

Warn the World
  •  
  •  
  •  
  •  
  •  
  •  
  •  
  •  
  •  
  •  
  •  
  •  
  •  
  •  

Comments

comments

23 comments for “My Debate with US Army Member Koshin Mohamed~ Part I

Leave a Reply

Your email address will not be published. Required fields are marked *