Brigitte Gabriel: “Radicals are Hijacking the Agenda”, “Moderates” the Answer

Here we go again. Brigitte Gabriel who in the past had paraded Zuhdi Jasser around as a “reformist” Muslim, has now taken her in the clouds message even further. By stating “radicals” have “hijacked the agenda, and “moderates” are the answer. Is that so Brigitte? Then how come it has not happened yet? How come waiting for the “moderates” to save the day is a proven failure in the UK.

If “radicals have hijacked the agenda”, did Mohammad hijack his own religion?

Muslim Hadith Book 019, Number 4366:
It has been narrated by ‘Umar b. al-Khattib that he heard the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) say: I will expel the Jews and Christians from the Arabian Peninsula and will not leave any but Muslim.

In the following video Mrs. Gabriel and her sidekick Guy Rodgers parade out Dr. Tawfik Hamid, “reformist Muslim leader”. If he is a “leader”, would Gabriel and Rodgers care to name just one U.S. Mosque that supports him “reforming Islam”? Come on…just one!

I will now dissect the show. Right off the bat Guy Rodgers turns PC on us, and calls the threat “radical Islam”. Which only weakens the severity of the message. At the 6:00 mark the Dr. slips up and says he questioned his radical “friend”, but then quickly changed his wording to radical “person”. After that he goes on to state the violent verses of the Koran only apply to those times. When the truth is the Koran states the actions of Mohammad are to be followed for all times.

Koran verse 033.021.
YUSUFALI: Ye have indeed in the Messenger of Allah a beautiful pattern (of conduct) for any one whose hope is in Allah and the Final Day, and who engages much in the Praise of Allah.

Tawfik’s next move was to try and turn the scriptures against Muslims. As he claims Muslims should not dominate non-Muslims. He is correct in admitting Islam does call for our dominance though.

Koran verse 9:29
YUSUFALI:
Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.

The problem is that Tawfik does not get to decide what Islamic Law is.

Koran Verse 033.036
YUSUFALI: It is not fitting for a Believer, man or woman, when a matter has been decided by Allah and His Messenger to have any option about their decision: if any one disobeys Allah and His Messenger, he is indeed on a clearly wrong Path.

Now comes my favorite part. Where I question those who claim Islam will reform, and they don’t show up. Hopefully this time they will take up the challenge. Besides what I stated above, I have a few more questions for Brigitte, Guy, and Tawfik.

1. The Koran states that it’s words cannot be changed.

Koran verse 010.064
YUSUFALI: For them are glad tidings, in the life of the present and in the Hereafter; no change can there be in the words of Allah. This is indeed the supreme felicity.

2. The Koran also states that Mohammad was the last of the prophets, and the book is easy to understand.

Koran verse 033.040
YUSUFALI: Muhammad is not the father of any of your men, but (he is) the Messenger of Allah, and the Seal of the Prophets: and Allah has full knowledge of all things.

Koran verse 054.017
YUSUFALI: And We have indeed made the Qur’an easy to understand and remember: then is there any that will receive admonition?

It is easy to understand. It clearly calls for the domination of non-Muslims. Maybe they would like to explain how he will get around those verses. Do they really expect us to believe that the Islamic world will take the word of Tawfik, over what are supposedly the literal words of Allah? Give me a break!

Obviously Brigitte has been strengthening her malignant “moderate” Muslim message lately. But back in August 2008 she sang a different tune in a New York Times interview.

NYT: What about all the moderate Muslims who represent our hope for the future? Why don’t you write about them?

Brigitte: The moderate Muslims at this point are truly irrelevant.

Since 2008 the threat of Islam has clearly, obviously, and unequivocally gotten worse! So why is she now changing her message? To make matters worse, here is what her other “reformer” had to say yesterday.

Jasser wants to be clear: “Our faith is a beautiful religion and the vast majority of Muslims are not only part of the problem, but also part of the solution. …Every Muslim I know would report a radical Muslim who was about to do something violent. But that’s not the problem.”

Beautiful religion? Don’t get me started! Once again we see Jasser trying to blind us with a smokescreen about Islam. Then once again pretending he is the spokesperson for the Islamic community. A community that does not stand with him. I would invite him to debate me, but he has already shown that he does not have the guts to show up.

Now I have a question for Guy Rodgers, who is obviously on board with the Islam will “reform” movement. Back in November he was waving around a copy of Reliance of Traveller (ROT), an Islamic Law manual at a NYC ACT! rally. In the Justice Chapter it states that to deny even one Koran verse, is to apostate from Islam. (p. 597). So how can Guy support ROT and these so called moderates? He is talking out of both sides of his mouth.

I know numerous ACT! foot soldiers, and they are doing a terrific job speaking the truth. But the message from ACT’s upper echelon is one of weakness, and false hope. Their message is the equivalent of going to the doctor, and being told you have a life threatening disease. But the problem will resolve itself. In other words the “moderate” Muslims are coming to the rescue message, only gets non-Muslims to drop their guard. It is not happening, the fight is ours! Spreading and funding false hope is not the answer. Only the truth is…

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34 comments for “Brigitte Gabriel: “Radicals are Hijacking the Agenda”, “Moderates” the Answer

  1. March 26, 2011 at 11:03 pm

    If they would tell it as it is, like we do in our blog posts, they would be blackballed by the cable news outlets, marginalized, demonized, rendered impotent and their donation stream would dry up.

    • admin
      March 26, 2011 at 11:09 pm

      Hey buddy,

      It is a bit odd that two years ago she said “moderates” are irrelevant, and now she is supporting them.

    • Steve Klein
      March 27, 2011 at 4:45 am

      I am guessing what you state is indeed her ‘fear’. Which is why she has compromised her strong principles. She is building a powerful organization. Perhaps she believes one has to be “smart” in order to achieve this goal. I was impressed by her personal story in Lebanon (“Because They Hate”). I was, however, profoundly disappointed that Brigitte was silent after Glenn Beck (Fox News) called Dutch Politician, Geert Wilders a fascist last March. A few prominent anti-Jihadists did condemn Beck, who did not apologize to Wilders so far as I know.

      We need to keep in mind – albeit Fox may be better than most other cable news networks – Saudi (‘Wahhabi’ / Salafi) Prince Al-Waleed bin Talal (of 9/11 ground zero fame) owns a 7% stake in Fox’s parent company; News Corporation.

      Mr. Logan wrote: “…numerous ACT! foot soldiers, are doing a terrific job speaking the truth.” Indeed. Perhaps some are becoming a bit disillusioned.

  2. Rose
    March 26, 2011 at 11:12 pm

    Very true, Dajjal.

    Me, I’m really looking forward to Soledad O’Brien’s CNN report tomorrow on how we hate mooslums and are irrational about an ideology that not only says they want to kill us, but does and doesn’t even have one free country among their lot of shitholes.

    I hate Soledad. She’s such a tool.

  3. March 27, 2011 at 1:32 am

    So now BG has also become another dhimmi. How utterly depressing.

    • March 27, 2011 at 5:10 am

      I am a member of Act for America, Robin, and trust me when I tell you that I feel the same way.
      How utterly depressing.

  4. Marlene
    March 27, 2011 at 4:41 am

    BG became an official dhimmi in September 2010 when she denounced Pastor Terry Jones with every fiber of her being. Not just a dhimmi, but a good CEO, protecting the income of her corporation. Compare her stance with Geert Wilders. She could have simply said that she disagreed with burning Korans. But she should have said that Muslims are BURNING churches, synagogues, Bibles, and HUMAN BEINGS. So what is the big deal if a Koran is burned as a symbolic rejection of submitting to dhimmitude?

    • eib
      March 27, 2011 at 5:30 am

      Quote:
      But she should have said that Muslims are BURNING churches, synagogues, Bibles, and HUMAN BEINGS.
      end quote.

      A salient point, Marlene.
      And what’s more important is that a Koran or a Bible for that matter, can be replaced. The chuch, synagogue, and in particular, the human being, cannot.
      When do we say that human life and community are more important than books that exist in millions, perhaps billions, of copies?

  5. eib
    March 27, 2011 at 5:17 am

    Quote:
    BG became an official dhimmi in September 2010 when she denounced Pastor Terry Jones with every fiber of her being.
    end quote.

    Why should she denounce him?
    He doesn’t represent her.
    She could have criticized the act, but she lives in a free country, not in Lebanon.
    People can burn any piece of literature they choose to here.
    And to refuse to acknowledge that is to fail to be committed to democracy.
    And to fail to commit to democracy is to make your loyalty suspect.
    I would have hoped that BG could have made this calculation.

  6. eib
    March 27, 2011 at 5:26 am

    Quote:
    I know numerous ACT! foot soldiers, and they are doing a terrific job speaking the truth. But the message from ACT’s upper echelon is one of weakness, and false hope. Their message is the equivalent of going to the doctor, and being told you have a life threatening disease. But the problem will resolve itself.
    end quote.

    I don’t dismiss the possibility that “the problem might or could resolve itself,” but I don’t count on it either.
    There were a number of posts here last night by Muslim detractors, and they were, to say the least, ugly in their implications.
    There are a certain number of people who believe that if we just withdrew from the ME, and left Israel in the danger where it sits right now, everything would “resolve itself.”
    I don’t believe that because I have studied the centuries of conflict and warfare between Islam and the West.
    The conflict is more than Israel, believe me.
    Muslims have come West.
    They look like immigrants, but are, in fact, a force of colonization and cultural genocide.
    To fight them is the correct response, and fortunately, with our best weapons, our thoughts, they are truly vulnerable.
    They really believe that the West will become another hive of onion domes, veils, blood and silence.
    If you have a cross, display it.
    If you are a Christian, or even influenced by Christianity, go to church. On Sunday is excellent, on the weekdays is even better.
    If you have a rosary or chaplet, pray it.
    If you are intellectually-inclined or a skeptic, study ancient, medieval, Early Modern, and Enlightenment ideas– know how these events are related and TALK ABOUT IT!
    There are many secular bases of ethics and morality that defy Islam in the West. Find them!
    If you do not immerse yourself in your culture, your culture will not survive.

  7. TaterSalad
    March 27, 2011 at 1:34 pm

    Quesion: Will the liberal loon Katie Coric have a Mulsim show and will she be able to invite this woman to anchor. Seems she has what it takes to tell the truth, something Coric doesn’t have:

    http://www.theblaze.com/stories/pakistani-actress-veena-malik-defies-muslim-cleric-accuses-mullahs-of-raping-children-in-mosques/

  8. Michael Elmore
    March 27, 2011 at 3:58 pm

    Ok everyone, I can tell you personally that ACT and most of its members I know don’t believes that you can have moderate Islam in the West. If you look at Daniel Bregman’s Act site you will see that he doesn’t espouse this extremist vs moderate crap. ACT is just doing what the Muslims have done so well in the past and that’s portraying an image that people will listen to and get on board. I think Logan’s warning is one of the best sites on the net about the truth of Islam but, as most of you know, you have to start with baby steps when explaining Islam to most people and that’s what ACT does. It has learned that it’s not going to gain support by scaring people off when confronted with the truth of Islam. I support ACT and this site also, both have the utmost important, so lets not throw out the baby with the bath water. Dam, this is not the time to fight between ourselves, we are all in this fight together and we have to do it by first getting people to realize there is a problem and not just believe anyone who claims that Islam is a religion of peace. Love your site Chris keep up the great work. I know ACT is wrong and I truly believe they know they are wrong but for now it’s one step that works to educate people to the big problem..elmore

    • admin
      March 27, 2011 at 4:57 pm

      Hi Michael,

      Someone has to make it be known that “moderate” Muslims are not coming to the rescue. Otherwise America will eventually get devoured by Islam. Just like what is happening to the UK.

      Thanks for the support!

  9. John Sobieski
    March 27, 2011 at 5:03 pm

    It is disappointing to have BG and Rogers go off on this ‘moderate muslim’ deadend. I won’t give up on her but I am disappointed.

  10. Henry Villarreal
    March 27, 2011 at 6:10 pm

    It is clear that moderate Muslims is a wishful thinking by the politically correctness that dominates the media. The sole fact that being a Muslim irremediably does not differentiate between what we wrongly call “radical” and what is wished to be a moderate. They are obliged to further the agenda , be it by violence, breeding , financing and all other functions to spread this political cult . As very well indicated in “In the Justice Chapter it states that to deny even one Koran verse, is to apostate from Islam. (p. 597).” So you can’t be a Muslim

  11. Skipping Girl
    March 28, 2011 at 1:45 am

    She was such a passionate speaker about this subject. Sad to hear she is mellowing.

  12. Skipping Girl
    March 28, 2011 at 1:48 am

    Moderate muslims are irrelevant. Just as in Germany many were not Nazis. It is apathy and inertia on the part of the so called moderates that allows tyranny to take over.

    • eib
      March 28, 2011 at 7:10 am

      Wherever there are zealots in evil, there are moderates.
      And the moderates don’t matter.
      They don’t control anything, they never demand or garner to themselves enough authority to make the zealots irrelevant.
      Please note that “moderate” is a word in political discourse.
      Its application to Islam is another powerful bit of proof that Islam should not be protected by any construct of freedom of religion.
      One may now argue that Islam is a political force, and as such, can be fought one to one in the political arena.

  13. March 28, 2011 at 5:48 am

    It is not necessary for everyone to burn korans. If Brigitte Gabriel and others do not agree with this kind of action, then OK. Unity is the key. We can all stand together against Islam. Most importantly we need the Christians to stand up and speak out. Every person has a part to play. One thing we must remember, UNITED WE STAND, DIVIDED WE FALL.

  14. firster555
    March 28, 2011 at 12:51 pm

    Wow, this is so sad. She is, was?, one of our most passionate fighters. Hoping there is an alternate agenda here, maybe throwing back some of their own taqiyya at that them, but if not, so sad. OT, Hermann Cain, a possible Presidential candidate said he “would not” have “any” muslims in his administration.

  15. March 28, 2011 at 12:52 pm

    Jasser and Hamid will never get widespread Islamist support because they are considered heretics and apostates. Umdat al-Salik clearly states apostates should be killed. What Muslim in their right mind would risk loosing not only their own lives, but instant rejection and being ostracized from their Muslim Community.

    Jasser and Hamid’s message can be used to illustrate the violent ideology by what Shariah requires it’s followers to do to it’s fellow Muslims.

    Only a fool would reject a potential ally in the information war we are currently fighting against Shariah Islam in the United States.

    Listen to the Radio Jihad Network on Blog Talk Radio – 6 Shows a week 5 different hosts – Gadi Adelman, Gary Johnson Jr., Usama Dakdok, Vito of Radio Jihad, and Vance talking American Politics.

    Call in and let the conversation begin.

    Mama Mia No Shariah
    The Radio Jihad Network

    • admin
      March 28, 2011 at 1:09 pm

      Only a fool would continue to spread the malignant “moderate” Muslims are coming to the rescue message. It is spreading false hope, and it is not happening. Jasser covers for Islam, and Islam is the problem. He promotes Islam, and you supporting him makes it seem Islam itself is not the problem. You can dance around it, I will not.

      BTW, you and others might want to consider using ex-Muslims, to get the word out about the dangers of Islam.

  16. New Crusader
    March 28, 2011 at 2:06 pm

    A.) Who is this mans Lord?
    B.) What the El? Modern infidels not like past infidels? Definitely a lot of comfort in that.
    C.) More distraction towards interpretation of other religious “violent” texts.
    D.) Moderate muslims must not be defined by
    1. Apostate killing
    2. Barbaric treatment of women (beating and stoning)
    3. Calling Jews pigs and Monkeys
    4. Declaring ware on non muslims to spread religion
    5. Enslavement of human beings
    6. Fighting Jews before end of days and killing all Jews
    7. Gay killing.
    Interestingly this is an admission of what is being denied by muslims all the time. The muslim who “becomes moderate” basically has to denounce islam, which is why Imam Fisal Rauf would not speak against these things. And those who do “become moderate” – find themselves redefined by no.1: Killed for being an apostate.

  17. March 30, 2011 at 9:04 am

    Wow! I’ve never seen such whining or hair splitting. Show me one group that achieves 10% of the actual results ACT! for America does. Yes, I’m part of the “upper echelon” of ACT leadership. As National Field Director, I oversee 550 chapters worldwide. We currently are in 32 states aggressively working to ban sharia law with a solid shot of 10 to 15 signatures from Governors this session. Anyone else even close to this kind of results? Get in the game people. If you can’t get into ours, then don’t stab Brigitte in the back. She supports Jasser and Hamid for one major reason: Islamists hate them. They have a bull’s eye on their backs just like she does. Any moderate Muslim who is willing to publicly denounce jihad is a friend. So don’t listen to this whiny crap. I talk with her on a daily basis and believe me, there’s not a PC bone in her body. If you ever need to know what ACT is thinking or why we take a certain stand, pick up the phone and call me. 850-912-8973, Ext 2

    BTW, I noticed the comments about Daniel Bregman. If you want to truly make a major effect on this war, copy everything he does. He is a warrior and one who builds, not destroys.

    Trust me, if you’re looking for a group who you’ll agree with 100% of the time, forget it. Work with us where you can and let’s get this job done. But don’t take back stabbing swipes at a heroine who has single handedly awoken a sleeping giant.

    Kelly Cook

    • admin
      March 30, 2011 at 9:54 am

      “Whiny crap”….what an intelligent response. The “moderate” Muslims are coming to the rescue line of thinking is a dangerous false message. One that is helping sink the UK. You might want to look over there, and learn something. Jasser actually defends Islam, and pretends to speak for Muslims in America. Any promotion of Islam is part of the problem.

      Have a nice day.

      • March 30, 2011 at 10:39 am

        Call it whatever you want. This site’s armchair Monday morning quarterbacking is getting old…and deadly to the resistance movement. Fight where and how you want to fight, but do not stab Brigitte Gabriel in the back. She’s the one with the bull’s eye on her. Work with her where you can.

        If not, “whiny crap” is the most intelligent explanation for it. Very endearing I know, but hey if it fits….

        Rule of thumb we encourage: Pick up your tools and go to work without tearing down fellow warriors. If we all have to march lock step to Logan’s rules before anyone moves forward, we’re dead already. Please, no more whining. Be productive.

        • admin
          March 30, 2011 at 12:34 pm

          Try and pay attention. I am no Monday morning quarterback. So next time try reality. Obviously my “whiny crap”, has a lot of weight to it. I will continue to expose the dangers of the “moderate” Muslim message. The country will eventually sink with that message. Maybe you would have sought out the “moderate” Nazis during WWII….

    • New Crusader
      March 30, 2011 at 3:46 pm

      Which “moderate muslim” will be effective against the more devoted follower? Maybe we should ask Salman Tazeer or Shahbaz Bhatti. Oh … That’s right they were killed for trying to defend a Christian woman against a death sentence for blaspheme. Their murderers were hailed as heroes. “Moderation” did not win out here, neither has it won out in any other circumstance. The example of muslims outweighs the words of “moderation” – and they say NO. Either you’re for it or against it, there really does not seem to be anything in between. Islam is the dictator of this – even your interview seems to demonstrate that.

    • April 1, 2011 at 7:21 pm

      Show me one group that achieves 10% of the actual results ACT! for America does.

      ACT would be lucky to achieve 1% of what the EDL does and has done in the UK and across Europe with its associates.

      By comparison, ACT is very low profile to the EDL and the other defence leagues. I see reports and news articles about them all the time. I seldom see anything about ACT.

  18. eib
    March 30, 2011 at 3:07 pm

    Many Germans were not Nazis.
    It did not matter.
    Many Poles were negatively affected by the presence of Auschwitz, and, no doubt, wished it was not there.
    It did not matter.
    It did not change anything.
    Many Turks did not take part in the Armenian genocide.
    Still, the genocide happened.

    Chris’s argument has much historical validation.
    Wherever there are zealots adhering to a doctrine of unending slaughter, few of their co-religionists or co-ideologists who hold more humanitarian views have prevented crimes against humanity from being committed.
    The goodness just doesn’t speak loudly enough, and in a civilized community, you know that the force of law would prevent, instead of encourage the bloodshed and violence both within and between Islam and the rest of the world.

  19. eib
    March 30, 2011 at 3:16 pm

    Another question for those who extoll Muslim moderates.
    We have some idea what extreme is– the Muslim scriptures are extreme.
    Those who follow them to the letter are extreme.
    Do we really know how moderate any given moderate is?
    If you are arguing the trustworthiness of moderation, you have a huge disadvantage– because moderation comes in many many shades.

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