Translator of “Reform Koran” Shows up! LIES Right off the bat!

Brooke Goldstein, the human rights lawyer who obviously knows little to nothing about Islam….

BrookeGoldstein @GoldsteinBrooke

@cheshirecat0025 @loganswarning @jarradwinter Muslims have a duty to reform Islam from Islamism which is the dominant sect.

must have run for help in a desperate attempt to give her argument an once of credibilty. The move backfired! As Edip Yuksel, the translator of the “Reform Koran” showed up and kicked it off with an attitude and a lie.

 

Edip Yuksel

I am the translator of the Quran in two languages.

The author of this article has either wrote this article while waiting in line for a hamburger in a MacDonald’s store, or he deliberately took verses out of their context or misrepresented them.

I challenge Logan regarding ALL his claims and distortions against the Quran.

For instance, he quotes a verse where the word SLAVE is mentioned, and HIGHLIGHTS the word, but ignores the few words before than encourages muslims to FREE the slaves.

In fact, according to the Quran a muslim can never have a slave, since claiming to be the lord of slave is the biggest crime, since it is akin to claiming to be the god of another human being.

I am not even sure whether this response will stay here or not, but if the author is honest regarding the truth of the matter I would like to meet him face to face to discuss all his criticism against the Quran.

I will be ready to fly where he lives or if he chooses to come where I live, I will gladly pay for his expenses.

Peace,
Edip Yuksel

http://www.19.org

Obviously he is another deceitful Muslim who cannot be trusted. Nor would he answer the simple question of how many Mosques in America are actually using his “Reform Koran”. The site meter of his web page says a lot. The smack down of his claim about Muslims not being allowed to own slaves, and the stats from his site meter can be seen in HERE.

The bottom line is that the “reform” Islam campaign is on the fast track to nowhere. Islam need to be dealt with head on, and shown as much respect as Nazism deserves. That is none. As for Brooke, she need to grow up and admit that she is wrong and is misleading America. I doubt she will though.

  • Chris LA

    One of Edip’s signature mistranslations is where he distorts the command in Surah 47:4 which says “strike the necks” of the unbelievers is translated by Yuksel as “strike the control center.” He rationalizes that “unuq” refers to the control center of the enemy force not the physical neck.

    Yuksel also claims in his explanation of Surah 9:36 that the reason the Muslim year is 11 days out of sync with the solar year is that the earth has decelerated.

    A comprehensive review of flawed attempts to reform the Quran (including that of Edip Yuksel) can be found at:

    http://www.annaqed.com/en/content/show.aspx?pod=1&aid=15887

    • admin

      Thanks for the insightful comment Chris!

  • http://tulisanmurtad.blogspot.com Pulp Ark

    More about Islamic slavery here:

    The Racism and Slavery of Islam

    Islam Did Not Abolish Slavery

    • admin

      Thanks!

  • jogool

    islam clearly prohibited slavery, if the accuracy of history depend on the how old the things happen then USA free the slave only few years ago(are they not christian at that time?), if arab sistem are the examples of islam then they are all in paradox with the koran teaching.
    If the zionist are the example for what taught by moses then they are all throwing stone to moses haha.

    • admin

      Prove it. The other thread which you were in proves Islam allows slavery. Did you really think your word be enough?

      http://loganswarning.com/2012/06/20/human-rights-lawyer-brooke-goldstein-promotes-reform-koran-book-of-slavery-hatred-and-abuse/

    • Tonto

      Who are you kidding? Islam is involved in several areas of the world even today….the perpetrators think it is their right as muslims. Chechens, Somalians, Albanians, Saudis, Yemenis…are all in slavery. Even in Bahrain and Dubai there is rampant slavery. Peddle your BS someplace where people are stupid enough to believe it…..try California….those idiots will believe anything.

  • http://www.19.org Edip Yuksel

    I have already discussed this and similar issues with Robert Spencer, Ali Sina, Bill Warner extensively and published the debate in a book, titled Peacemaker’s Guide to Warmongers. I have published all their argument and counter-arguments to the dot so that people could read and judge for themselves.

    Besides, you will find plenty evidence and arguments in the very Reformist Translation, refuting your claims.

    You are not doing much different. You are not honest in your criticism of the Quran.

    As I told you: I will no more write the same thing for a copycat of Robert Spencer and Ali Sina.

    However, for a change, I will be willing to meet you anywhere (except in hell or Las Vegas, or a pig farm:), debate this issue face-to-face. I will pay for my trip and for a professional camera crew so that our debate is recorded.

    If you are honest you should jump on this challenge, since you will be able to incriminate me, expose my lies, etc. for millions of people who would prefer to watch a good debate rather than read volumes of literature that employs all sorts of tricks to hide the facts, distort the facts.

    There is a great power in Socratic method. It is immediate, precise, concise and laser sharp. It will take me or you to expose a lie or contradiction in minutes and with all its visual drama.

    I have also a bonus, an incentive for you. You may invite two more helpers. If Robert Spencer and Ali Sina accepts, that would be fantastic.

    So, this will perhaps be my last challenge and invitation and I expect a response by the end of this week via email or twitter.

    Warmongers are ultimate losers, and I hope you decide to become a peacemaker. “Accept the truth so that the truth shall set you free!”

    Peace,

    Edip Yuksel

    • admin

      1. Anyone can write a book, and from the results I saw on Mr. Spencer’s site your book was a dud. All the title implies is that you want us to back off on Islam. Well guess what? What you see is just the tip of the iceberg. The voices against the attempted Islamic takeover are just beginning to rise!

      2. People are judging for themselves, that IS why the voices against Islam are on the. That is why Mr. Spencer is hosting a huge anti-Islam conference in Europe this month. While you had less than 100 people on your site for the entire month. How many of those visits were made by you?

      3. You not wanting to write again, is just a cheap cop out. You said Muslims are not allowed to own slaves. In return you were hit over the head with numerous translations of Koran verse 33:50. You know, the wording about the slaves being allowed that you conveinlty left out of your fake Koran.

      4. You are the last person who should speak about honesty. The readers can see I was the honest one. I was the one who posted sources to back up my claim.

      5. You have already been proven a blatant liar who promotes a fake Koran (that is still full of violence) that the Islamic community does not accept. So I will not waste money, and more importantly my time to go meet you. YOU started the debate here, YOU can finish it here.,

      6. Millions of people? 94 viewers is not millions. TRY reality. There were not tricks involved on my behalf. I posted the verse. On the other hand you said on Twitter that I stated Mohammad himself wrote the Koran. When I asked you to point out where I said that you did not respond. That was your second lie. You are just another game playing Muslim.

      7. I already told you last night I would not take the time to meet you. So you write this up in an attempt to beat your chest, when the reality is that ANYONE can read your comment about Muslims not being allowed to own slaves. How EASILY it was torn apart. We can continue here, or I will gladly debate you on Jarrad Winter’s radio show in the near future.

      8.”You expect”? Here is a clue, you do not, and never will dictate what I do. I am not Obama, I do not bow to game playing Muslims. My response to you is here. Where you left the comment.

      9. OK, you said it. Mohammad was a loser.

      http://www.usc.edu/schools/college/crcc/engagement/resources/texts/muslim/hadith/bukhari/002.sbt.html#001.002.028 Volume 1, Book 2, Number 25:
      Narrated Ibn ‘Umar:
      Allah’s Apostle said: “I have been ordered (by Allah) to fight against the people until they testify that none has the right to be worshipped but Allah and that Muhammad is Allah’s Apostle, and offer the prayers perfectly and give the obligatory charity, so if they perform that, then they save their lives and property from me except for Islamic laws and then their reckoning (accounts) will be done by Allah.”

      10. Pushing back against the Sharia campaign that is taking place in America, does not make one a warmonger.

      11. Your invitation to Islam is declined. That stands for now, tomorrow, and the rest of my life. Got it?

      • http://www.19.org Edip Yuksel

        I was not going to respond any of your demagoguery, but after reading the first paragraph, I wanted to respond just one of the many falsehood in your response.

        “1. Anyone can write a book, and from the results I saw on Mr. Spencer’s site your book was a dud. All the title implies is that you want us to back off on Islam. ”

        If you look at my book, which I can send you in PDF for free, you will see the difference in honesty and consistency.

        Ali Sina, chopped and censored my response, and interspersed it between his distortions.

        But, I did not delete or change single word in Ali Sina’s response. This difference alone speaks volume for those who are interested to learn the truth of this matter.

        By hysterically attacking my work and person in your controlled environment (your page and twitter) and escaping from an equal chance to discuss this issue face-to-face, you have demonstrated that:

        1. You know how baseless your attacks against the Quran are.

        2. You know that you will be exposed with all your distortions, lies and warmongering.

        This is your record that will haunt you for long time.

        Peace,
        Edip

        • admin

          1. You are a lying Muslim, you get no respect here.

          2. You leave parts of the real Koran out, that is not honesty and I was talking about how poorly your book was selling. A dud.

          3. I am not hysterical, I PROVED you to be a liar. As did others.

          4. This is not a controlled environment. You can write what you want. Keep trying….In black and white I hung you with your own words. That’s why you do not want to continue here. I even offered the radio.

          5. I posted the verse, you submit nothing but your word. So save the “baseless” claim for yourself. Expose the “lies and distortion” here professor.

          6. I exposed you to be a liar who thinks he can gloss over the fact that his argument was easily refuted. Why did you say on Twitter that I stated Mohammad literally wrote the Koran, when I did not say that? Where is your proof?

          7. Enjoy watching the anti-Islam campaign evolve. It is an UNSTOPPABLE force, that will defeat you and the Sharia campaign that is taking place across America. All within the law.

          8. Dawah has failed. Allah is furious, and he will haunt you in your dreams! Enjoy!

        • admin

          Edip said:

          ““In fact, according to the Quran a muslim can never have a slave, since claiming to be the lord of slave is the biggest crime, since it is akin to claiming to be the god of another human being.”

          PROVE it professor!

          Now name just ONE Mosque in America that uses your fake Koran.

          In your book you stated non-Muslims helped. That should go over well across the Islamic world! Too funny, you should apply for a job on Comedy Central. Even more comical is that it is obvious that you have little confidence in the fake Koran.

          (p. 12)
          To correct the egregious historical biases so obvious in previous English translations, we
          have chosen to take an inclusive approach incorporating input from scholars, lay readers,
          and even non-Muslims. The final word choices of the actual translation, however, are
          ours. We alone are responsible for them before God; if we have made an error, we appeal
          only to God for forgiveness.

          It is clear your alliance is to Islam, you are an enemy of America.

        • admin

          Good work on ducking the others who commented and called you out on your lies. Don’t think those reading cannot see that. The truth is that non-Muslims are being persecuted across the Islamic world, and you think you can come here and con people into believing Islam is no threat. Like I said professor, try Comedy Central.

        • admin

          Edip implies he is a nice guy and peaceful. But here is what he really thinks about the regular readers here.

          Edip said: I was not going to respond any of your demagoguery,…

          A demagogue (/ˈdɛməɡɒɡ/) or rabble-rouser is a political leader in a democracy who appeals to the emotions, prejudices, and ignorance of the poorer and less-educated classes in order to gain power. Demogogues usually oppose deliberation and advocate immediate, violent action to address a national crisis; they accuse moderate and thoughtful opponents of weakness. Demagogues have appeared in democracies since Athens. They exploit a fundamental weakness in democracy: because ultimate power is held by the people, nothing stops the people from giving that power to someone who appeals to the lowest common denominator of a large segment of the population.

          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demagogy

          If they are so uneducated, a “great professor” like yourself should have been able to refute them on the Islam allows slavery argument. You did not, and I am not calling for violence against Muslims in the West. In fact I condemn it. Keep trying professor….

        • Jamila

          Jazak Allah Khairen Brother for all your work

          • admin

            So you support the fake Koran? Do any of the 85 Sharia Courts in the UK support it? BTW, I proved your “brother” an obvious liar.

    • http://Hats392.blogspot.com Chief_Cabioch

      no one will reform islam, or muslims, they are inseperable, they live and breathe hatered, hate for all who refuse to follow it’s doctrine, the doctrine of killing those who refuse to accept allah, and those who see islam and muslims for who they are

    • Susan

      To we who have studied islam for many years, your use of TAQIYYA is immediately obvious.

      Taqiyya is lying, talking in circles, playing the victim, false claims of torture, demanding evidence, blaming others for evil acts, saying Islam forbids that, carrying signs that say “Peace”, saying the meaning was lost in translation from Arabic or TAKEN OUT OF CONTEXT and claiming Islam was hijacked. Taqiyya is used to fend off criticism of Islam or Muslims.

      Saying, “…or he deliberately took verses out of their context or misrepresented them”, is clearly Taqiyya – lying in the hope of lulling us into a false sense of security about islam.

      If you are trying to present a sanitized version of the unholy koran to the world, you’re wasting your time. We all have copies of the real thing. Besides, what the koran says isn’t as important as how muslims BEHAVE. Have you never heard the expression, “Actions speak louder than words”?

      We know that Mohammed was a liar, looter, slave trader, rapist, mass murderer and pedophile. These facts are documented! And we know the goal of muslims is to be just like Mohammed in every way. That’s why there are 60 million child brides in the world and most are in islamic countries. (ICRW)

      Western countries are civilized. Islam is the antithesis of life in Western countries. Why not go live in an islamic shit pit if you think islam is the way to live?

      I’m in Canada. We will NEVER ALLOW ISLAM to get a foothold here. My Prime Minister recently stated that the biggest threat to Humankind is islam. Unfortunately, the USA has a muslim President. But that can change quickly – even if he wins the next election.

      And regarding slavery, just for your information since it isn’t mentioned here, Arabic muslims started the practice of capturing and trading people.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8zM_MzkLKPY

      All of the black slaves in the USA were purchased from Arabs. The USA freed them and they are now equal participants in society.

      Muslims still keep slaves today and treat them savagely:

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l1j8D1j9mEc

      Try again, pal. Your lies won’t work here.

      • http://451akbar.blogspot.com/ Tommy Hunt

        Great comments Susan and as both a Canadian and an American citizen it’s good to hear such strong opposition to Islam coming out of Canada. Keep up the important work!

    • admin

      Like I said I will gladly debate you here or on Jarrad Winter’s radio show. However Mr. Spencer said he will gladly debate you ABN TV. He said to contact him at director@jihadwatch.com.

  • http://Hats392.blogspot.com Chief_Cabioch

    lying is what muslims do…..

  • http://Hats392.blogspot.com Chief_Cabioch

    Edip, why not try and explain the taqyyia ?, it’s purpose, and your spin on it’s NEW and Improved meanings,..?

  • http://www.crusadersarmory.co.cc/ Dajjal

    One man knew the meaning of the Koran, and lived it. His sunna shows us exactly what it meant to him. “Right hands possess” is frequently used in the Koran. it is a reference to slaves.

    Open the Koran to 33:26 and read.”A group you captured”; Tafsir Ibn Kathir reveals that Moe enslaved the surviving women and children.

    Open Reliance of the Traveller to Book O 9.13 and read. Captured women and children are enslaved by default.

    Open Hedaya, Volume 1 to the book of divorce: read which slaves a Muslim can screw with impunity. That is Islamic law, so kiss my foot, Muslim.

    What is the expiation for sins required in Shari’ah? How do you manumit a believing slave if slavery has been abolished?

    • admin

      “How do you manumit a believing slave if slavery has been abolished?”

      Exactly, it was so simple to expose his deception.

  • http://www.apostates.weebly.com Nick van Riel

    “In fact, according to the Quran a muslim can never have a slave, since claiming to be the lord of slave is the biggest crime, since it is akin to claiming to be the god of another human being.”

    Take off your blinkers Yüksel and read this article on my website.

    http://apostates.weebly.com/the-racism-and-slavery-of-islam.html

  • Malik T.

    What a mockery you talk about islamic slavery and the americans were the first slaves trfficers in history by enslaving 20 milliones african negros… What a hypocrisy!!!!!

    • admin

      Jamal,

      I condemn all slavery. You do not, you are the hypocrite. Muslims are enslaving blacks today in Sudan. Yet you say noting, you are moral coward. A slave himself. A slave to Allah.

    • http://madaboutmahound.blogspot.com/ Gary Rumain

      LOL! Really? They were the first? Mahound was taking slaves 12 centuries before. And it was you filthy koranimals who were enslaving the Africans and selling them to the Americans.

      • Robin Shadowes

        Not to mention that the koranimals are still into slavery to this very day.

    • eib

      Muslim slavery began–
      Trans-Sahara, Trans Indian Ocean 800 AD!
      Muslims took more slaves and castrated them as a matter of course if they were to go to Arab lands.
      There never was an abolitionist movement in the Muslim slave trade.
      River War, 1892-1898– Muslims were fighting to maintain their slave trade.

    • eib

      The buying and selling of human beings is no crime in Islam.

  • Jamal

    I am proud to be the slave of my Lord Allah The All Mighty my Great Creator …slavery to God is the peak of freedom but your narrow mind will not understand it..if you condemn all slavery why you dont write some lines about the history of the american slavery in the last 400 years snatching 30 milliones poor africans from the armes of their mothers subjecting them to a horrible slavery in America.

    • admin

      Yes, my mind is not open to slavery and child marriage. Those who are open to those actions need to be shunned from society. Slavery is illegal here now, but it is still legal in Islam. It is taking place in Sudan. Yet you say nothing, so do not act like you care about black people. Pathetic!

      • Omar Ramzi

        Why dont you man up and debate him face to face? Stop hiding behind your computer screen and face him if you dare. I would love to watch him destroy you!

        • Michael C

          Who was it who snatched the slaves from their villages and sold them at the ports to the European traders ? Muslim arab slave-traders.

          Slavery is criminal in Europe. It has never been abolished by Islam, and continues in Mali, Mauritania, Saudi Arabia, and so on.

          By their fruits shall they be known

        • admin

          I already proved him a liar, and challenged him to a debate on the radio. He will not do it. Mr. Spencer said he would meet him, he ran from him. Why don’t YOU MAN-UP and prove me wrong on Islam? OBVIOUSLY you CANNOT slave….

        • admin

          Are you actually implying that you respect his fake Koran?

    • Robin Shadowes

      The whole thing about freedom is slavery rings a bell of Orwell. But I’m sure you arselifters haven’t bothered to read 1984. All you arselifters read is the koranus, Mein Kampf and Hustler.

    • http://www.apostates.weebly.com Nick van Riel

      You with your poisoned and brainwashed Muslim mind try to twist history to your advantage again as usual.

      Simply overlooking the fact that most of the „30 millions poor Africans“ were Africans enslaved by the Arabs, ready for sale to the westerners.

      And with pointing to the 400 years of slavery in America, you simply „forget“ that the Arabs (Muslims) enslaved far more than the „30 million poor Africans“ in the 800 years before they started selling them to the West.

      Arabs still keep and sell (black)slaves even when they’re Muslims, because in their eyes, the black Muslims are only second class Muslims.

    • eib

      Quote:
      I am proud to be the slave of my Lord Allah
      end

      I grant you that.
      And I’d never question your devotion for a minute.
      But I do have to say this. As you are Allah’s slave, I am God’s child.
      I believe that you are also God’s child also, and your refusal to accept this reality may be your condemnation.
      Either way, I’d never give up being God’s child to become Allah’s slave. I know that it really is a step down not toward humility, but toward the lust for conquest and arrogance.
      Religion is full of paradox– Islam and Christianity especially so.

    • eib

      6% of the entire slave population went to North America.
      Most went to the Caribbean and Brazil, where the great majority were worked to death.
      Only in North America were slaves able to reproduce and replace themselves, only here did they live.
      You can’t force life.
      Life must find conditions that are compatible to it.
      Your invocation of guilt will not make us see your righteousness. It only shows me your defensiveness about your own past.

  • jaeger

    I must admire L W how he can spot a liar and deceiver such as Jamal who posts under Malik.T and and and and different names with his forked tongue thus proving taqyyia without a shadow of a doubt.

  • LOL

    “Obviously he is another deceitful Muslim who cannot be trusted” HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH I laughed SO hard when I read this: you are a fucking idiot. I feel like I just got 100x stupider by reading all of your propaganda articles and comments LOL
    And in response to those slavery comments above: “[Muslims were] enslaving the Africans and selling them to the Americans”
    Oh, so you Christians were buying the slaves then right? Awkward, your argument just collapsed in on itself hahahah! Even in the ten commandments, it refers to the keeping of slaves!
    Also, I can’t understand why you are accusing the other commentators of being “moral cowards” when you have no morals yourself: just look at how you talk about your fellow humans! Maybe, just maybe, one day we will all get rid of all organized religions so we can finally live in peace and find God in ourselves and realize that when you hurt these people who are different than yourself, you are hurting a piece of God that lives in all of us.

    • admin

      He was proven liar, so you might want to try and grow up and accept that fact. He is also misleading some Americans into believing some form of “moderate” Islam is coming to save the day. It is not happening. I condemn all slavery, but Christians are not on a worldwide campaign trying to bring back slavery. Muslims are, and those with morals oppose it.

    • eib

      Atlantic slave trade, 1300-1888.
      Muslim trans Saharan & Indian Ocean slave trade: 800-the present.
      Islam never had Harriet Tubman, Harriet Beecher Stowe, William Wilberforce or William Lloyd Garrison.
      620,000 Americans died to free 4 million slaves.
      No Muslim has ever died to free even one slave!
      Not one!
      Go to hell.

    • eib

      Quote:
      God in ourselves and realize that when you hurt these people who are different than yourself, you are hurting a piece of God that lives in all of us.
      end

      Speak for your own corrupt religion and culture.
      Every day, Christians are persecuted for their Christianity by . . . MUSLIMS!
      Your hypocrisy is far uglier and of longer standing than anything in the West.

  • Christian

    Comment deleted for you thinking you are slick by posting under two names under the same IP address.

  • http://www.goodfinancialaid.com G Sinclair

    I don’t find direct forbid for slavery in hadiths and Quran. But I do read many times that Muhammad and his followers freed slaves back then. Muhammad himself got married with an ex-slave.

    • admin

      Hello G! :)

  • jaeger

    LOL,which 10 Commandment are you reading?

  • eib

    Quote:
    In fact, according to the Quran a muslim can never have a slave, since claiming to be the lord of slave is the biggest crime, since it is akin to claiming to be the god of another human being.
    end

    Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor’s wife.
    Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor’s goods.
    Period.
    The ultimate possession a person has is himself. He has no power to give himself away as a slave, nor has he the power to enslave anyone else.
    These are Western ideas.
    Another Western idea is that you cannot be made to keep a contract or covenant that has been made under duress.
    That means that if you force a person to submit to Islam, either through force or deception, that person is not bound to remain in the Ummah. He may apostasize without fear of any reprisal from any authorities here in the West because we truly believe in the sanctity of the soul.