YUSUFALI: In their hearts is a disease; and Allah has increased their disease: And grievous is the penalty they (incur), because they are false (to themselves).
YUSUFALI: Woe to the falsehood-mongers,-
From the Hadith
‘Abdullah reported Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: It is obligatory for you to tell the truth, for truth leads to virtue and virtue leads to Paradise, and the man who continues to speak the truth and endeavours to tell the truth is eventually recorded as truthful with Allah, and beware of telling of a lie for telling of a lie leads to obscenity and obscenity leads to Hell-Fire, and the person who keeps telling lies and endeavours to tell a lie is recorded as a liar with Allah.
These condemnations are only against certain types of lies though.
Here we will see that the Koran allows Muslims to lie in a way that can easily mean to hide their pro-Sharia agenda from non-Muslims.
YUSUFALI: Let not the believers Take for friends or helpers Unbelievers rather than believers: if any do that, in nothing will there be help from Allah: except by way of precaution, that ye may Guard yourselves from them. But Allah cautions you (To remember) Himself; for the final goal is to Allah.
The Hadith tells us that lying in OK in three other circumstances.
Humaid b. ‘Abd al-Rahman b. ‘Auf reported that his mother Umm Kulthum daughter of ‘Uqba b. Abu Mu’ait, and she was one amongst the first emigrants who pledged allegiance to Allah’s Apostle (may peace be upon him), as saying that she heard Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: A liar is not one who tries to bring reconciliation amongst people and speaks good (in order to avert dispute), or he conveys good. Ibn Shihab said he did not hear that exemption was granted in anything what the people speak as lie but in three cases: in battle, for bringing reconciliation amongst persons and the narration of the words of the husband to his wife, and the narration of the words of a wife to her husband (in a twisted form in order to bring reconciliation between them).
Finally these types of permissible lies are reinforced in Islamic Law.
“Reliance of the Traveller, A Classical Manual of Islamic Sacred Law”
HOLDING ONE’S TONGUE CHAPTER
PERMISSIBLE LYING
r8.2 The Prophet (Allah bless him and give him peace) said,
“He who settles disagreements between people to bring about good or says something commendable is not a liar.”
“I did not hear him permit untruth in anything people say, except for three things: war, settling disagreements, and a man talking with his wife or she with him (A: in smoothing over differences).”.
This ruling obviously leaves the door open for all types of lies.
It is important to teach every non-muslim the muslim concepts of taqyyia and kitman. Thus they will learn not to trust a muslim – not ever.
Robin; let me enlighten you for a moment. Taqiya is a Shia Concept used vis a vis the sunni majority. and the shia are a minority in the muslim faith. So you are misunderestanding the concept and using it wrongfully and claiming to know when you yourself lack knowledge.
Stop spreading misinformation. It seems that people like you are all over the airwaves on Fox, CNN, Using big words to sound like experts but in truth know very little or there to push an agenda.
But Like it or Don’t the truth always prevail no matter how much people try to suppress it.
People like you existed for 14 centuries and tried to harm Islam and the muslims but Islam always prevailed. No wonder it is the fastest growing religion.
The CIA perpetrated 9/11 to hurt Islam, but more people converted to Islam by conviction more than anytime before.
The Truth will prevail. Remember that.
Your comment reeks of takiya. Try fooling somebody else. Your truther nonsense won’t work here either.
Takiyah-means pious, righteous and chaste. Also Kitman is an unrecognizeable transliteration for a concept that does not sound plausible.
Islam allows what non-Muslims consider to be lying. This is proven in the article.
If you make one more comment without a backup source, you are banned. I am done going around in circles with you.
So if a husband and wife were fighting you would not lie and say the other one said sorry to help them patch up cuz seriously if you call that lying then yh. It is permissible to lie if you consider that bad you have no heart
No, I would’t lie. Thanks for admitting Islam allows lying.
So Say. If your parents got in a fight you wouldn’t just make up the fact that your mum said sorry and go say it to your dad? You wouldn’t lie to help them save their marriage
But then don’t you think You should be telling people the whole truth? oh my god! wow… wow. You are funny, really.
Lying is permissible in Islam only under three conditions.
1) A husband and a wife are fighting. If they like their marriage is falling apart or the wife feels as if the husband does not compliment her enough an she says so. he has to compliment even if it a tiny one for the sake of their marriage.
2) A two friends are fighting and their mutual friend wants them to make up. So he tells Friend 1 told him that it was a big misunderstanding or something then vise versa.
3) This last one was given to the Prophet (PBUH) in a time of need. The non-believers were prosecuting the muslims. Seeing as there were many muslims and they still needed to spread the religion Allah gave them the freedom to Lie about where they were going if they were going to a get together with their fellow muslim brothers and sisters. Today most of us do not fall under this circumstances but there are the rare occasions in which we might.
Other than these three lying is a sin under Islamic law and religion.
Not quite!
From Sahih Muslim, and you are?
Muslims are at war with non-Muslims across the world. That leaves the door open to A LOT of lying. What is funny is that you actually thought your words would outweigh Sahih Muslim. Who are you? I do NOT see the word “Sahih” in front of your name. Which school of Islamic Law quotes your work? Are you a scholar at Egypt’s Al Azhar? What Mosque do you lead? I see….it is none of the above. Just another game playing Muslim using a fake name. You fail here.
One more thing…”oh my God”…..watch your words. That Allah will strike you down!
Amen Gary. We aren’t fooled. They want us to be, especially when you read the responses.
Welcome to the site American Fighter!
it is so not ok to lie and tell your mom dad is sorry, no wonder they have to control all the pent up feelings. They must go mad wondering who really said what and who really loves me for me, who is playing just to get along. TRUTH WILL SET YOU FREE
the educated know the truth, we are educated, we know that they are lying
The Koran itself encourages ALL Muslims to lie, and that is backed up by these Sunni scholars.
https://loganswarning.com/2009/12/15/islam-101-lying-is-permissible/
Your blatant attempts to misinform the readers have failed, and I have seen more than enough of your games and attitude.
BTW, you have backed nothing you say up with sources. Good bye.
Quran
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002.225
Allah will not call you to account for thoughtlessness in your oaths, but for the intention in your hearts; and He is Oft-forgiving, Most Forbearing
Hadiths
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Volume 3, Book 49, Number 857:
Narrated Um Kulthum bint Uqba:
That she heard Allah’s Apostle saying, “He who makes peace between the people by inventing good information or saying good things, is not a liar.”
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Book 032, Number 6303:
Humaid b. ‘Abd al-Rahman b. ‘Auf reported that his mother Umm Kulthum daughter of ‘Uqba b. Abu Mu’ait, and she was one amongst the first emigrants who pledged allegiance to Allah’s Apostle (may peace be upon him), as saying that she heard Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: A liar is not one who tries to bring reconciliation amongst people and speaks good (in order to avert dispute), or he conveys good. Ibn Shihab said he did not hear that exemption was granted in anything what the people speak as lie but in three cases: in battle, for bringing reconciliation amongst persons and the narration of the words of the husband to his wife, and the narration of the words of a wife to her husband (in a twisted form in order to bring reconciliation between them).
Islamic law
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Reliance of the Traveler (p. 746 – 8.2) – “Speaking is a means to achieve objectives. If a praiseworthy aim is attainable through both telling the truth and lying, it is unlawful to accomplish through lying because there is no need for it. When it is possible to achieve such an aim by lying but not by telling the truth, it is permissible to lie if attaining the goal is permissible (N:i.e. when the purpose of lying is to circumvent someone who is preventing one from doing something permissible), and obligatory to lie if the goal is obligatory… it is religiously precautionary in all cases to employ words that give a misleading impression…
“One should compare the bad consequences entailed by lying to those entailed by telling the truth, and if the consequences of telling the truth are more damaging, one is entitled to lie.
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So don’t think that you’re all high and mighty because you stated sources. As you can see my sources are somewhat the same as yours, but it takes time for one to understand religion. I would never expect to read the bible and then understand it. Also your close-minded behavior just makes you look idiotic. Even though I am a muslim, I have no problem with learning about other religions. And right when you know that someone is right you get scared and start attacking more vehemently. So don’t tell me that I am spreading lies while you are doing so. You are the one spreading lies, I am just informing people about the real Islam.
May Allah (SWT) guide you towards the right path.
For more:
http://muslim-responses.com/Islam_on_Lying/
You left out this one that OK’s lying.
Your quote from Book 032, Number 6303, only proves my point. Thanks!
Sorry, unlike you I have morals and stand against the child marriages, rape, and slavery that Islam allows.
You are right, islam is the fastest growing religion but that is due to uncontrolled mass breeding. One more thing, quality will always prevail over quantity in the end, non-muslims will always prevail over the mohamedans
With all their inbreeding, they only have a few more generations to go before they are doomed.
Well let’s just see about that and it is not only the breeding there are several christians converting every da
God only knows how many muslims convert to Christianity each day as they cannot go public with it because you lot will murder them for it. most christians who convert are to islam are thugs or others at the end of their self imposed road due to rebellion against their native Christianity. a religion of thuggery attracts thugs. also you bread like cockroaches because you dont have to worry about your childrens futures becuause we pay for the little trolls way through life!
Listen, i knew a Muslim and he said he had to lie, but said it to me to know the truth, also the muslims are pagan worshippers, watch
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQgrSam1vX4 and you will see why islam is a lie in general
Who cares how it is interpreted by *the majority* of Muslims – this is what it LITERALLY SAYS – okay to deceive the unbeliever. And, how do I know you’re not trying to deceive us now?
What kind of a deity tells his people to lie, anyway? A decent bronze age god would tell his people, you can always be truthful and with my power at your back you will STILL win. But this kind of deception is what this man-made faith required to survive and grow.
Please dont talk about Islam in lies when you yourself have no knowledge of it. Dont you ever spred lies about the Holy Quran for it is the truth from ALLAH(SWT). He know everything that is in the heart of man and all praise belong to him. You are getting your info from false sources. Sunni scholors are misleading people and not informing people of the truth. Try researching on Shia Scolors. And I dont know where you got your information from but if is fales. Being shia means that you are a follower of someone. Primarly The holy Prophet Muhammad and his family(PBUT). If you really study the life and know about these wonderful people you may come to know what is truth.
pislam is nothing but lies. Mahound was a psychopath and professional liar. Anyone who believes his lies is a fool.
You are wrong to say that. I do not agree with you. The only time lying is ok is when you stop lie to stop someone from causing harm to themselves or others. Other than that Lying sinful. How dare you say that about our dear Prophet(SWT). You have knowledge. You posses no threat to me or to the religion of islam. Islam will always stay alive no matter how how much harm you people try to do. You may make your plans but please belive that Allah’s (SWT) plans will always be enforced. Your only fooling yourself and harming your own soul. Nobody can destroy the religion of ISLAM it will always be alive no matter what. As a muslim I will take a stand and defend my religion and I dont fear anyone expect for Allah..
I meant to say you have no knowledge so dont run your mouth.
Mahound’s psychopathic koran is nothing but lies. And all his followers are idiots.
And who are you to tell me what I should and shouldn’t say? Go back to drinking your camel urine. You are as retarded as any arselifter.
Your mohamed prophet was a mass murder who personally beheaded 600-900 jews and severed the hands and feet of many more. He was a psychopathic butchering warlord. He only talked peace before he gained his power when he was forced to live with other religions. Once he raised his zealot army he showed his true colors. How many people did Jesus kill? How many enemies did he bring harm to? NONE! Your religion is EVIL and your primary mentor of your faith, the most evil of all.
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You posses no threat to me or to the religion of islam. end quote.
Right you are.
What concerns us is the threat Islam posts to the West.
Period.
Leah
Seriously your the only knowledgeable one here and I totally agree with you
Actually, Leah, from what I’ve noticed my God’s plans (BTW who is Jesus) have been coming through get a Holy Bible, and read through the prophetic books, and see whose God’s plans are coming to pass.
http://www.raptureforums.com/ClarenceLarkin/index.cfm
Check out this website 😀
Welcome to the site Acts 2:38!
If you really study these people? You’re kidding aren’t you?
Mohammed MHRIH* was a pedophile who married a six year old girl and boasted that he didn’t have intercourse with her until she was nine. In the meantime though, he sodomized, thighed and molested her. From when she was six! She even had to clean his semen off the front of his robe before he performed wudu. A six year old child. The semen was on there from his molestation of her.
You stupid woman. It’s in your satanic hadiths.
Mohammed MHRIH* was a filth bag.
*MHRIH (may he rot in hell)
First of all if you were there at that time many men got married to girls who were nine because they were mature and it had Aisha ra consent in the marriage and if you’ve read this Hadith you must have read the ones stating how much Aisha loved the prophet and vice versatile right?
Versatile=Versaz
Versa#r
Did you really justify intercourse with a 9 year old kid???
What is wrong with you? Even in Christianity there are false prophets. The Holy Spirit makes us aware of them. I don’t agree with most of what my Christian brothers and sisters are saying on here, but I will say this: Sex with a 9 year old is never a Holy act.
Even if she did “love him” I would question what kind of “love” that is. That is disgusting. I would normally sit back and not say much of anything, but that is beyond me how you could have knowledge of such a despicable act and blindly follow with such boldness. I have no doubt in my mind that you are a good person and I will be praying for you. Please give the Bible a chance. I am begging you!
Actually according to one of the hadiths her father tried to get mo to choose one of his older daughters. He married her at 6 YEARS old and had sex other than intercourse with her until she was 9 He was a man of 53. How utterly disgusting! It WAS NOT the custom to rape 6 year old children even then!
The best place to see this is here , it shows verses from the Koran and Hadith, and others
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Quran/011-taqiyya.htm
Good point, Robin.
However, I lost my supervisor job because of just that. I was trying to educate liberal morons and it got me into trouble.
There is a time and a place and you must be careful who you disseminate this information to.
Sorry to hear that. Hang in their friend.
Islam=peace just might be the most successful lie of all time. Bush hurt us by constantly repeating it.
'Great religion of peace' is no worse than 'distorted and defiled', which Obamination spewed again at Oslo. Queen Hellary managed to pack three big lies into one sentence at Georgetown the other day.
'Distorted', that is Islamic con man talk.
Of cuss, he is both a 'slime and a con man.
What do you expect GW Bush is a Freemason. Most high level Muslims are Masons. Iran's President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is a 33rd degree Mason.
You are all so accurate in you statements.
Christopher L. puts it best, calling it the Trojan horse to the West.
Again, unless you all have seen it, please view the video at Google
entitled: demographic_problem. It contains a bit of propanda, but is
basically quite disturbing.
Arafat = One Big Lie
Palastine = lying re "peace" with Israel
Islam in America = perpetual lying for advancement, infiltration
Islam = Peace, the ultimate lie to lull us into inattention
"O" Another Big Lie?….
First of all I’d like to say Palestine is ours was ours and we will get it back you forced us out of it and killed what billions of us in the doing so that is not terrorism you came into Pakistan and India killed billions of us again for what reason? That’s not terrorism then you came into Afghanistan killed thousands of innocent people but no that’s not terrorism you were just getting rid of it by watt killing innocent civilians and then do u want me to go on cuz I can iraq Lebanon e.t.c
Palestine does not belong to the Muslims.
Never did.
Get your facts right…..oh wait, even if you do, you’re still going to lie about it, because that’s what you’re taught to do.
Haha you’re so funny but seriously the day we get palistine back just remember me and Palestine was so yours that’s why wen the Jews took over they kicked millions of Muslims out of there and look where their living now seriously Israel bombs them whenever they feel like it but that’s okay isn’t it and please tell me what reason they could have for killing these people
Actually they bomb Israel at will. Further there were not “millions” of the nasty thugs there. Palestinians put rocket launch sites in schools and hospitals because they do not give a damn about their own people. You wanna hate Jews hate Jews but dont make crap up! ok?
Keep up the fight brother!
You want Palestine for the murdering, lying, thugs known as Palestinians? Go blow up Jordan because most of what you call Palestine is now Jordan. BTW if those f’ers so wanted a homeland why oh why did they refuse same in 1947 when it was offered their nasty as*es? They were offerd land just as was Israel. you people are insane.
May God touch your murderous hearts and show you the way to peace.
Thanks for existing, we need a group, akin to the England United or whatever theyre called, to hit the streets, in a moments notice to fight one thing:creeping sharia, if it means being beat up, well, they can try. Hindus, Buddhists, Christians , socialists,communists,secularists, Jews, whomever, if you are against Islam, lets join together, where it counts: on the streets of NYC, at the UN, at the SA embassy, at Ground Zero, at the courthouse.
Thanks, they are the EDL, English Defense League and I agree one of the next steps should be to step into public view with our message.
Happy holidays to you and your family!
you are a lier and you do not know any thing about islam
The quotes in the article are from the Islamic scriptures. So prove me wrong.
MUSLIM You are a brainwashed follower of an EVIL CULT!
Islam faced each Alhkadin over the centuries and will continue until doomsday
And you have to know Islam well and then talk about
Islam does not insult the prophets, but commands us to believe all of them
Islam insults Jesus, as under Islam he is supposed to come back as a Muslim and destroy Christianity.
No, he is not. He is supposed to return as a man, and yes, a Muslim because Mohammad [s.a.w] was the final messenger and therefore Jesus [a.s] will be in his ummat. Jesus will return to fight the Dajjal. Dajjal will insult every religion by claiming to be God, he will not be Christian, so don't even go there.
There are a lot of errors on your website, heck, I don't think you've got anything right.
Takiya alert!
Point out where I stated that the Dajjal is Christian.
But according to the Islamic scriptures, Jesus will come back and destroy Christianity.
Book 37, Number 4310:
Narrated AbuHurayrah:
The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: There is no prophet between me and him, that is, Jesus (peace_be_upon_him). He will descent (to the earth). When you see him, recognise him: a man of medium height, reddish fair, wearing two light yellow garments, looking as if drops were falling down from his head though it will not be wet. He will fight the people for the cause of Islam. He will break the cross, kill swine, and abolish jizyah. Allah will perish all religions except Islam. He will destroy the Antichrist and will live on the earth for forty years and then he will die. The Muslims will pray over him.
Heck, you are wrong again.
Sorry, the Son of God is not a man.
He certainly is not affiliated with a desert moon god of the Bedu.
Jesus Christ is the living Word of God, and sorry to pop your balloon, but He wins.
There’s nothing you or any of your cult can do about it. You can scream your heads off, you can cut ours off, but nothing will change the fact that we win and you lose.
Amen
Christopher L.Dan, Admin,Eib, admin, Gary Rumain all these insans in this Bloge will be in the army of the Dajjal (the antichrist)fighting the muslim and the beilevers army lead by phrophet Jesus christ(peace be upon him)
As a Christian I can tell you that calling Jesus a muslim is PURE blasphemy. The Bible tells us there will be false prophets (mohammed) and to beware.
He (as) is supposed to come back yh and yh he will be from the ummah of rasulullah saw but he will not destroy Christianity first he will preach the truth saying that he is NOT the son of god and. If you refuse that then yh he’ll help the Muslims in the last battle which yes will be against the Jews and christians
Nope that’s not whats gonna happen. The Bible says differently and I believe in the Bible, the inspired word of God.
anyone watching Nadal Hussien should see these Maggots should not EVER be trusted, he waited and waited till just the right time to do as much damage and kill and wound as many people as he could, people who helped him,worked with him Daily, only to end up dead….Americans….WAKE Up. or you’ll be a victim just like the others…
Part one for people who are not Muslim, and like to do evil deeds, or the Christian
part two for Muslims who do not speak the truth
do not change the meaning of the Koran, because they will change the actual meaning
dan jangan kutuk muslim
State of Afghanistan attacked America first. Before Afghanistan is a peaceful country
stupid , ignorant the truth…tell me how Afghanistan attacked America????
American State which first invaded Afghanistan. Before Afghanistan is a peaceful country
Right, the Taliban are such peaceful people.
So all of afganistan are terrorists yh? There are probably 30 odd people there who are terrorists but yet you kill thousands
Point out where I said all of them are terrorists.
Well did you not just refer to afganistan as being the country where the Taliban is?
LIES, Truth.
I suppose you forgot about the Soviet invasion of 1979.
Peaceful Country?? And you dare call yourself the truth??? I guess the pictures and video’s of the taliban executing people on the soccer fields BEFORE the US invaded Afghanistan were just an illusion? The stonings, never happened until the US invaded right? There has NEVER been peace in the world of islam. It has simply been 1,400 years of Rape, Murder and robbery by an EVIL CULT!
Qur’an 2:191: And kill them wherever you find them, and drive them out from whence they drove you out, and persecution is severer than slaughter, and do not fight with them at the Sacred Mosque until they fight with you in it, but if they do fight you, then slay them; such is the recompense of the unbelievers.
“Believers, do not make friends with any but your own people…They desire nothing but your ruin….You believe in the entire Book…When they meet you they say: ‘We, too, are bel…ievers.’ But when alone, they bite their finger-tips with rage.” (Surah 3:118, 119)
“The Jews and Christians say: ‘We are the children of God and His loved ones.’ Say: ‘Why then does He punish you for your sins?” (Surah 5:18)
“Believers, take neither Jews nor Christians for your friends.” (Surah 5:51)
“The God will say: ‘Jesus, son of Mary, did you ever say to mankind ‘Worship me and my mother as gods besides God?’ ‘Glory to You, ‘he will answer, ‘how could I ever say that to which I have no right?” (Surah 5:114-)
“Believers, when you encounter the infidels on the march, do not turn your backs to them in flight. If anyone on that day turns his back to them, except it be for tactical reasons…he shall incur the wrath of God and Hell shall be his home…” (Surah 8:12-)
“Make war on them until idolatry shall cease and God’s religion shall reign supreme.” (Surah 8:36-)
“…make war on the leaders of unbelief…Make war on them: God will chastise them at your hands and humble them. He will grant you victory over them…” (Surah 9:12-)
“Fight against such as those to whom the Scriptures were given [Jews and Christians]…until they pay tribute out of hand and are utterly subdued.” (Surah 9:27-)
“It is He who has sent forth His apostle with guidance and the true Faith [Islam] to make it triumphant over all religions, however much the idolaters [non-Muslims] may dislike it.” (Surah 9:31-)
“Prophet make war on the unbelievers and the hypocrites and deal rigorously with them. Hell shall be their home.” (Surah 9:73)
“Believers, make war on the infidels who dwell around you. Deal firmly with them.” (Surah 9:121-)
“Say: ‘Praise be to God who has never begotten a son; who has no partner in His Kingdom…” (Surah 17:111)
“‘How shall I bear a child,’ she [Mary] answered, ‘when I am a virgin…?’ ‘Such is the will of the Lord,’ he replied. ‘That is no difficult thing for Him…God forbid that He [God[ Himself should beget a son!…Those who say: ‘The Lord of Mercy has begotten a son,’ preach a monstrous falsehood…” (Surah 19:12-, 29-, 88)
“Muhammad is God’s apostle. Those who follow him are ruthless to the unbelievers but merciful to one another.” (Surah 48:29)See More
Narrated ‘Amr bin Al-‘As:
I heard the Prophet saying openly not secretly, “The family of Abu so-and-so (i.e. Talib) are not among my protectors.” ‘Amr said that there was a blank space (1) in the Book of Muhammad bin Ja’far. He added, “My Protector is Allah and the righteous believing people.” ‘Amr bin Al-‘As added: I heard the Prophet saying, ‘But they (that family) have kinship (Rahm) with me and I will be good and dutiful to them. ”
This proves Islam tells us to be good with all people if he’s Muslim or not
Narrated ‘Aisha:
I never felt so jealous of any woman as I did of Khadija, though she had died three years before the Prophet married me, and that was because I heard him mentioning her too often, and because his Lord had ordered him to give her the glad tidings that she would have a palace in Paradise, made of Qasab and because he used to slaughter a sheep and distribute its meat among her friends.
This proves Aisha ra got married with her own will cuz if she didn’t she wouldn’t be jealous
BTW, this entire argument is Nazi proaganda tranposed from Hitler’s methods. If you want to know the Truth find out about it on your own. Read what Muslims today read…not the “Reliance of the Traveller” The first time I heard of that book was here.
Yes read the Koran and the ahadith, and you will see that Islam calls for the dominance of non-Muslims, and women. It allows rape and slavery.
The ROT has the stamp of approval of Al Azhar, the world’s highest Islamic learning school in the world. But you who expect the readers to believe you, over them. Who are you? What Mosque do you lead? What authority do you have in the Islamic world? You are just another Islamic mouthpiece trying to cover of Islam. Just like you did when you said the sex slaves gave their consent.
Yes I have a nice fat copy of Reliance of the Traveller, and most of them have no idea what their laws are.
Pretty sad for a cult of terrorists not to know their own laws.
All tradition is additive, and to understand the essence of Islam as it is now, it is very necessary to read things you don’t see in use. Just because you haven’t read it, or don’t know about it, doesn’t mean the document doesn’t exist, and doesn’t mean that it isn’t influencing the thinking of those around you.
That’s why it’s important for Westerners to read Aristotle’s Politics and Xenophon’s Anabasis. These are several thousand years old, but they are still influencing our thinking.
I’m very surprised, Hajar Logan, that you do not know this.
let me just say.. ahahahahahahaha!!
you people have been brainwashed by the media.. if you understood Islam at all you would realise what you are saying is wrong.. i dont need posh words to sound like i no what im talking about..
the media is portraying muslims to be the bad ones.. congrats to them cos you yourself have been brain washed.. you are falling for their lies.. !
have you never told a lie ever in your life.. sat on your pedistool..
i feel sorry for you blind people.. the truth is out there if you did some REAL research you would no..
why would Islam be growing at such a rapid rate if we were all tying..? if muslims are really talking shit then wht are people still reverting to Islam..?? ask yourself this..
but i dont care what you think.. your diluded minds are working for satan..
Allah knows best.. we will one day my friend find out the truth but then it will be too late for you..
if you have nothin poitive to say..why say anything at all..?
i used to be brainwashed myself just like you..i did my research and i learnt of true Islam.. and even without Islam i can see the media are zionists.. they want you to think bad of muslims.. its a shame you are so easily lied to and tricked..
i pray Allah guides you to the right path..
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for whoever greets him shares in his evil works.
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http://www.usccb.org/nab/bible/2john/2john.htm
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We know that we belong to God, and the whole world is under the power of the evil one.
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We also know that the Son of God has come and has given us discernment to know the one who is true. And we are in the one who is true, in his Son Jesus Christ. He is the true God and eternal life.
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Children, be on your guard against idols.
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http://www.usccb.org/nab/bible/1john/1john5.htm
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9 “Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but underneath are ravenous wolves.
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By their fruits you will know them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles?
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Just so, every good tree bears good fruit, and a rotten tree bears bad fruit.
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A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a rotten tree bear good fruit.
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Every tree that does not bear good fruit will be cut down and thrown into the fire.
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So by their fruits you will know them.
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http://www.usccb.org/nab/bible/matthew/matthew7.htm
This is all you need to hear.
Brainwashed? Speak for yourself.
Allah is a spirit of the world.
Mohammed is a false prophet.
The fruit of Islam is terror.
We judge you by it.
And years will pass, centuries will pass.
And NOTHING ABOUT US WILL CHANGE!
You have made the mistake of thinking you could argue with non-Muslims.
eib Once again I am so impressed!! Keep up the GREAT WORK!!
I will make this simple for you. Prove me wrong about Islam on your next post, or you will be banned. It is that simple.
In the meantime, look in the mirror and ask yourself how you can support Mohammad the rapist.
The only people who have a right to talk over here are the ones who have read the Qur’an with its translations. Honestly, read over your comment before you post it. Show some respect to the Prophet Muhammad PBUH as we show respect to Jesus Christ. Islam only allows people to lie in 3 cases and that is only to prevent fights and disagreements. Other than that lying is strictly punishable. People need to stop trying to find faults in each others religion and look at it without being judgmental. Also you can only lie when the situation gets bad, because Allah is the best judge and knows who is right and who is wrong. And please respect the Prophet, some of these comments make me sick…
Thank You.
Islam The Religion of Lying:
Here is a little talking done by those who read, memorize, teach, and live out the Hideous quran:
On January 4, 2011, just a few hours after the assassination of Salman Taseer, the governor of Pakistan’s Punjab province, more than 500 Pakistani religious scholars and clerics issued a statement, lauding the assassin for keeping alive a “tradition of 1,400 years in Islam” which requires the killing of anyone committing an act of blasphemy against Prophet Muhammad
http://www.memri.org/report/en/0/0/0/0/0/0/4896.htm
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/41863270/ns/world_news-south_and_central_asia/
All this because someone did not like what was said by a persecuted Christian mother. Yet you say: “Show some respect to the Prophet Muhammad PBUH as we show respect to Jesus Christ.”. Your filthy “prophet” had no respect for anything but his megalomaniac ego. His followers today have no respect for anything but dominance. And no where in this or any other part of muslim behavior is there any respect for Christ. It’s very clear that you are lying, and by your own comment (I’m assuming that you have read the Hideous “Qur’an with its translations.”) have exposed the fact that lying is a permissible way of life for a follower of MadMo (NPBUH)
“Allah is the best judge and knows who is right and who is wrong. And please respect the Prophet, some of these comments make me sick…”
You are wrong – ALLAH MAKES YOU SICK.
Islam shows NO respect to Jesus Christ. Islam DENIES that He is The Christ! Islam shows NO respect for Jesus Christ, Islam doesn’t allow Christian Churches to be built. Islam shows NO respect for Jesus Christ, look what happens to Muslims who accept Jesus Christ. Don’t try spreading your lies here. Many people who comment on this site have read and studied the EVIL qur’an, the aHadith, and the Reliance of the Traveler. I will NEVER show respect to Muhammad. He was nothing more than a mentally ill, EVIL person who established an EVIL CULT.
I will however Pray that Jesus Christ will open your heart and lead you away from the VILE EVIL that is islam!
Ask any Orthodox Christian,
Ask any Copt,
Ask any Melkite, if Muslims worship the same God as they do.
The answer will come back the same– they resoundingly say that even though they might use the word “Allah” in the Arabic service, the unitary and anti-human Allah of Islam is not God.
All these people are Trinitarian Christians.
Wherever they have lived among Muslims, they have been expropriated of property, life, limb, rights, and respect.
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The Church can never lawfully grant to Catholics permission to participate formally in non-Catholic worship. In dealing those who claim they have been given ecclesiastical permission to participate in the ceremonial rites of non Catholics Fr. Michael Muller in his well known work, “God the Teacher of Man Kind” aptly answers the question by stating “Neither any priest nor bishop, nay, not even the Pope, can give you permission to violate any of the commandments.” [39]
It has been rashly stated the Mohammedans and other infidels adore the same God “together with us” [40] yet not only is this undoubtibly offensive to Catholic doctrine (as we have shown above) but it shows forth an ignorance of Islamic notion of God and their absurd doctrines. Mohammedans don’t pray to their god, together with us, they pray to their false god against us! The Quran is explicit on this point as it openly states: “The Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before, may Allah destroy them, how they have turned away.” [41]
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http://www.catholicapologetics.info/apologetics/islam/worship.htm
Your religion is profane.
Your prophet is false.
Your culture is corrupt.
You have nothing to offer but dreams of conquest.
Your history is brutality and mass murder.
Your legacy is more of the same.
Of course some of these comments make you sick.
You’re genuinely afraid that the objections we’ve raised might have some basis in the profane message and profane source of your scriptures.
HaShem gave certain promises to Avraham (B’Resheet [Gen] 12:3) and were repeated again to Avraham (B’Resheet [Gen] 22:15-18) where Avraham was prevented from offering up his son of promise, Yitzchak; then later the same promises were repeated to Yitzchak, the miracle son of promise, in B’Resheet [Gen] 26:2-5; then once again these same promises were given to Yaakov (B’Resheet [Gen] 28:13-15 & later Yaakov’s name was changed to Isra’el (B’Reshseet [Gen] 32:29-31). When I read the Qur’an, some of the events that were revealed in the Tanach were changed and even mixed up. HaShem is not the author of confusion; but apparently the deity and ministering spirit of Islam were. This was verified by Abdullah Ibn Sa’d Ibn Abi Sarh, a former scribe of the Qur’an who had to correct the statements and grammar of Muhammad, or allah, or the ‘angelic’ messenger or all of the them.
While Yitzchak was a type of the future, promised Messiah and the promises of HaShem to the goyim (nations) through Avraham’s seed; Ishmael was a type of Islam and its false testaments and false prophets. Where Israel was given the feasts of HaShem, the Torah, and the Mitzvah, and even though they fell short in their performance and behavior in keeping those covenants, HaShem promised to revisit them (Isra’el) in the acharit hayamim, end of days, (see Yirmeyahu [Jeremiah] 31:30-33), heal them (Isra’el), make a new covenant with them (Isra’el), and return them (Isra’el)to the land that was promised to them (Isra’el) through Avraham.
Ishmael was a wild donkey (a$$ [or she camel] in heat) of a man who would be at odds with all his kinsmen. This sounds like Islam today (so what’s new???). Never did HaShem tell the Jews to turn to pagan gods, especially not those of the Arabian peninsula. HaShem fobade them (Isra’el)from doing such. Did Muhammad restore any of the feasts of HaShem; the Shabbot; the Torah; or any of the Mitzvah??? The obvious answer is NOOOO … NEVER!!! While Muhammad may have adapted some practices Judaism (e.g. kashrut), apparently his main focus was to replace HaShem’s feasts and covenants with the customs, rites and practices of the pantheon of Arabian pagan deities. Ramadan, which once again begins in August 2011, was a high pagan ‘holy’ festival celebrated long before Muhammad or Islam came into being. Therefore, Islam is just repackaged Arabian paganism.
So will Adonai Elohei Tzva’ot or any of His five covenants; HIS feasts, HIS prophets, or HIS Torah be supplanted by an elemental, demon, spirit like Islam’s allah??? Shall Islam’s infamous prophet Muhammad, the Qur’an, the Hadiths, the Kaaba, or any other of Islam’s pagan trappings annul any of Adonai’s Covenants??? I’m sorry; I cannot respect this false message, given by any false prophet, or sent by a very real and dangerous demonic deity!!! I will only respect Adonai Eloheinu Melek HaOlam.
You are an idiot. It’s simple as that. You are taking a concept and twisting it. What’s wrong with you? Oh I know. You’re an idiot.
If a religion doesn’t allow someone to say something false in order to PREVENT someone from dying, then I’ll be the one to say that’s stupid. And so should you, but you probably won’t because you’re an idiot.
It’s about the intentions. If the intention can’t be justified, then that’s something you can critisize. Look at the hadiths you’ve pulled out. Are you not reading the reasons listed? Probably not. You’re an idiot. People like you just read half of a sentence and then start shouting idiotic things in the air.
Yes, Islam allows lying but on circumstancial situations such as preventing someone from dying, preventing a loved couple from divorcing by inducing an apology between the two, etc etc. I’m pretty sure if Islam didn’t allow this, you’d have a blog saying “oh look how Islam allows for people to let others die and how Islam encourages divorces and how it advocates fights and blah blah blah.”
Learn to not hate but you probably can’t do that because you’re an idiot. Now Bye.
Name-calling is not arguing.
Again, Islam disparages and leaves reason out of the discussion.
At least we’re not pagan idiots following a system delivered by a demon inspired ‘prophet.’ It was written in the ‘Book’, as Muslims put it, that in the end days a great evil would surround Israel and say ” … let’s wipe them out as a nation: let the name of Israel be remembered no more!.” Many leaders of Islam are saying that very thing today, and Islam is that very evil spoken about in the ‘Book.’ Islam doesn’t just “… allows for people to let others die … ” it takes an active part and joyfully kills others in order to gain rewards in the afterlife. Islamic greed and perfidy will not be allowed in the afterlife, and neither will any human who performs such acts of violence (chamas). Just look at the history of the sectarian violence between Sunni and Shiite sects. You can’t blame infidels for this, because this has been going on since the Caliph Ali was assassinated. Look how many Caliphs were either murdered or deposed since then. You can’t blame any non-Muslim for the violence within the ummah, because the violence originates from within the ummah. The Armenian genocide was committed by the Ottoman Empire. They were Muslim the last time that I checked. Sharia will only bring the sword; and this is the stated purpose of Islam’s (Sunni or Shiite) Mahdi, to bring the sword to force all the world to accept demonic Islam. Hence, Islam is described in the ‘Book’, not by name but by actions, words, and ‘fruit’, and that great evil that was spoken of will be defeated by Adonai Himself. Adonai inspired the statement that “Salvation is of the Jews!!!” No other system or religion can change that statement of fact!!!
I see, “circumstantial lying” is OK. You thinking it is OK for your spouse to lie to you, shows you have little self-respect. A strong relationship is built on trust. Not lies.
You seem so friendly….
You are an idiot. Triple talak proves you wrong. What’s wrong with you? Oh I know. You’re an idiot.
If lying should never be allowed under any condition, then why did Abraham lie when he was with Sarah as they escaped the kingdom and met a tyrant on their way?
By Him in Whose Hands is my life, the religion of Ibrahim (Abraham), the upright(may mercy by upon him) is correct. And indeed Ibrahim was taken as a Khalil (close friend) by Allah.
‘Verily, your Lord is Ever-Watchful.’ – Qur’an 89:14
‘Nay! When the earth is ground to powder. And you Lord comes with the angels in rows. And Hell will be brought near that Day. On that Day will man remember, but how will that remembrance avail him? He will say: “Alas! Would that I had sent forth for my life!” So on that Day none will punish as He will punish. And none will bind as He will bind.’
– Qur’an 89:21-26
And Allah knows best.
Muhammad Adil Faiyaz – It is almost funny when a Muslim attempts to compare the unholy qur’an and allah of the qur’an with the Holy Bible and the one TRUE God. This is what the Bible says about lies, lying, etc..
John 8:44
New International Version (NIV)
44 You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father’s desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies.
Isaiah 28:15
New International Version (NIV)
15 You boast, “We have entered into a covenant with death,
with the realm of the dead we have made an agreement.
When an overwhelming scourge sweeps by,
it cannot touch us,
for we have made a lie our refuge
and falsehood our hiding place.”
Psalm 101:7
New International Version (NIV)
7 No one who practices deceit
will dwell in my house;
no one who speaks falsely
will stand in my presence.
Revelation 21:8
New International Version (NIV)
8 But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars—they will be consigned to the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death.”
I could go on and on with what The Holy Bible says about lying, but lets contrast what The Holy Bible says with what the unholy qur’an, the false prophet, and allah say:
Qur’an (3:54) – “And they (the disbelievers) schemed, and Allah schemed (against them): and Allah is the best of schemers.”
Qur’an 8:30 And when those who disbelieve plot against thee (O Muhammad) to wound thee fatally, or to kill thee or to drive thee forth; they plot, but Allah (also) plotteth; and Allah is the best of plotters.
Qur’an 10:21 And when We cause mankind to taste of mercy after some adversity which had afflicted them, behold! they have some plot against Our revelations. Say: Allah is more swift in plotting. Lo! Our messengers write down that which ye plot.
Allah says he is the great deceiver, God says a lie is an abomination. Don’t try to come here and spread your lies muhammad
Is this the part where I am supposed to say, OK Muslims lying to non-Muslims about Islam across the country is OK? It is comical how many Muslims come here and think they will get the focus of the site to change.
This article seems to be written by a mentally retard. Lying is forbidden in Islam, but only 3 exceptions are made per the hadith. These exceptions are made so that some good can be achieved and people can be united. The hadth also enforces that apart from these 3 exceptions, under no circumstances can a person lie. But the guys here seem to be of below average intelligence and are not able to understand a simple thing.
Those three “exceptions” leave the door open for a lot of lying. Islam does not unite Muslims and non-Muslims. It divides.
The verse in the Quran quoted in the article does not say anywhere that muslims can lie to non muslims. All it is saying is muslims should not take non muslims as their friends unless they are in the midst of non muslims and fear persecution. This verse proves how merciful is the only True Lord of the Universes. Despite giving a command to muslims, the All Mighty has said that if they are hard pressed and have to make friendship with non muslims, they will not be penalized. Again mentally retarded argument by the writer. open your mind to average human intelligence and then you will be able to understand that Islam is the Only True and divine religion.
Pretending to be someones friend is lying. Your insults show you to be so friendly….
The verse does not say pretending to be a friend. The verse says dont take non muslims as friends, but if you do so to be safe from persecution by the non muslims, then that is allowed. I wish your IQ was was a bit higher so as to understand a simple verse.
That is pretending. My IQ is high enough to see you are not smart enough to see you just keep proving my points about Islam and Muslims.
christianity makes no sense to me.
Christianity says that an innocent new born baby is born in sin and is full of sin. Christianity says God punished christ for the sins of OTHER human beings. does that make God a just God? Punishing a pious man Jesus for another sinful people?
Islam says God is just. God never punishes one for another. each person has to answer to their own deeds. Islam also says that a human is born sinless. It makes perfect sense when you look at an innocent day old baby.Islam also says that Jesus was a messenger of God, and was born without any father just as Adam was born without any father or mother. So from a christian point of view Adam is even a greater miracle of God than Jesus. Islam also says that Jesus was a human and ate food. God is one who sends nourishment to the entire creation but does not stand in need of any nourishment himself.
Finally christianity contradicts itself with the God Incarnate and Jesus crucified theory. If Jesus was God Incanate, how could God be crucified and killed by his own creation. It means the creation was more powerful than the creator, the creation overpowered and hanged the creator on the cross. Makes no sense even to any below average intelligent human.
Islam says God is all powerful, his creaton are powerless before God. God commands a thing to Be and there it is formed. Islam also says that God saved Jesus, his faithful servant, from the sinful people and raised Jesus alive before the people could crucify him. This Shows God never abandons his faithful servants and messengers. Makes a lot more sense.
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Christianity says that an innocent new born baby is born in sin and is full of sin.
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What’s the difference between being “born in sin” and being “full of sin”?
You don’t know it.
You can’t even understand it.
So why do you even bring it up?
Jesus was not a “pious man.”
Jesus was God himself.
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Islam also says that Jesus was a messenger of God, and was born without any father just as Adam was born without any father or mother.
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Do you really think it’s a miracle to not have a father or mother?
Ask any orphan. I’m sure the great majority would love to have had parents.
Adam was not born.
He was made.
There’s a difference and you know it.
His making was not a miracle.
Jesus was born without sin.
He had a father and mother.
He was God and the Son of God.
He was the greater miracle.
Do not affect the “Christian point of view” when you know so little about it.
Do not affect or take on what you despise.
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Finally christianity contradicts itself with the God Incarnate and Jesus crucified theory.
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The crucifixion, resurrection and redemption of humanity by God himself on the cross is not a theory.
It is dogma and so is beyond argument, question and repudiation.
Again, you apply what you think is reason to religion, as though it were science.
It is not science.
It is religion.
It is not theoretical, it is dogmatic.
It is unquestioned and unquestionable.
And above all, unlike Islam, it is holy.
you have yourself confessed that you are not open to reasoning. It prove that Christianiy is not a logical religion and cannot be accepted, if you use logic. Islam is a religion based on human nature and the only Divine religion from God. Hence all the Islamic creed can be understood by using logic and basic human intelligence. You could not even answer any of my questions about christianity.
I am a religious Christian.
Of course, I don’t reason about religion.
I possess faith.
I reserve my reasoning for other things.
Never, ever count on logic in matters of faith.
The only logic you need is that of Augustine and Aquinas.
If religion makes “perfect sense,” then there really is no faith at all for you.
You just understand your perfect and final truth and then conquer, rape, murder and dispossess all infidels.
What a simple life.
But I don’t envy you.
No I don’t at all.
Muslims believe there is one God. Yet the Islamic scriptures call for the dominance over Christians, and ultimate destruction of Christianity. If there is only one God you would think he or she would have gotten it right the first time. The God of Christianity is not the God of Islam.
The God of Islam is the only True God as his majesty is mentioned in the Quran. The God of the bible is a false God who allows his begotten son to be brutally murdered and humiliated by the people and sits idle just watching. When the God of the bibe was not just to his own son, how do you expect any good from such a God. If you consider Jesus to be God then if Jesus was overpowered and killed by his creation, then it means he is a weak God who cannot control his creation. All this proves that the Gods of the bible are False.
The True God is described in the Glorious Quran who is all powerful and is far above human relationships like son, daughter or parents. The true God did not even allow his servant Jesus to be humiliated or killed on the cross as described in the Quran. The true God in the Quran is Just and does not punish A for the sins of B.
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If you consider Jesus to be God then if Jesus was overpowered and killed by his creation, then it means he is a weak God who cannot control his creation.
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Why is control so important to your Allah?
Why is perfection all you want?
And you think the Christian God did not “get it right”?
That he had no control over his creation?
I had no idea God was supposed to be some engineer.
The answer is that God always had control over the population.
Even people who did not believe in Christ were used in God’s plan.
Ultimately, God intended that his only son should die and rise again (you don’t believe in the resurrection, one of the very cornerstones of Christianity).
He did so to save humanity.
Your Allah would never give so much for a human being, not even one.
Instead, he enslaves you, tortures you with fear, will kill you if you abandon him.
Your Allah is a neurotic child, and as you worship, so you will become.
A truly all-powerful God doesn’t concern himself with control.
He doesn’t need to.
Your so called God just punishes people for “spreading mischief”.
Mohammad punished A for the “sins” of B.
Again Low IQ level by Admin. This Hadith meant that all in the Arabian peninsula (Saudi Arabia) will become muslims which has become true, the prophecy of a True Prophet of God always comes true.
where is A getting punished for B in this hadith? Please increase your intelligence level.
I see, it appears that my stalker who was banned on Twitter has come here. The burqa babe in UK who said there are no aspects of Sharia in that country. A claim that is easily refuted.
Expel does not mean change religion.
Here is more on Mohammad’s attitude towards non-Muslims.
So you think non-Muslims should be OK with that. Talk about having a low IQ.
Muslim,
What evidence do you have that Islam is true? Because the Quran says so? That is circular reasoning. Because your parents say so, your culture, your country? None of this validates Islam. Doesn’t it seem at least … odd to you that a deity would reveal its message for human kind to just one man in a cave in 7th century Arabia? Just a little odd?
God always got it right. All messengers Abraham, Moses, Jesus and Prophet Muhammad (saw) preached the same message of worshipping the One true God. Its the christians who have got it all wrong and were misled by Paul and John and the distorted bible written by john, paul and co
Jesus Christ, the Son of God, always got it right.
He redeemed the entire world in every age.
Your prophet is a warlord, a conqueror, a despoiler of lands and people.
Jesus was meek and mild, and commands that we become the same in our forbearance.
He is truly the Son of God.
Jesus did not call for Christians to be extorted and dominated. He did not rape sex slaves.
Here is some advice, you might want to stop posting under different names and IP addresses.
There is not even a single verse in the glorious Quran or authentic Hadith which allows muslims to rape POWs. Yes muslim men can marry th slaves of war, if the slaves agree to that. Marrying a slave of war is a gesture of good will and trust that muslims will not harm the POWs. Chapter 4 of the Quran mentions about getting MARRIED to believing slavegirls. There are several hadith in which the Prophet (saw) told muslims to free slaves girls and then marry them. So even though it is permssible to marry a slave girl, the prophet (saw) advised the muslims to free them and then marry them.
You are a liar.
https://loganswarning.com/2010/03/20/islam-101-the-religion-of-rape/
Mohammad also took slaves, and told his men it was OK to impregnate the rape victims. You trying to cover for rape is vile.
http://www.altafsir.com/Tafasir.asp?tMadhNo=1&tTafsirNo=74&tSoraNo=4&tAyahNo=24&tDisplay=yes&UserProfile=0&LanguageId=2
I get it, Muslims just fought and might have killed some of their family members. Their husband could still be alive being held POW, and you want me to believe the women POW want to have sex with those who took them prisoner. NOT happening. Dawah has failed. Allah is furious at you!
You forgot to mention that Islam still allows slavery. It is stuck in the past, and that is where it belongs.
Islam never asks for the destruction of Christianty.. and then how that we have till today millions of arab christians living with us… ((Lo! Those who believe (in that which is revealed unto thee, Muhammad), and those who are Jews, and Christians, and Sabians – whoever believeth in Allah and the Last Day and doeth right – surely their reward is with their Lord, and there shall no fear come upon them neither shall they grieve)) the holy Quran.
Islamic scriptures do call for the ultimate destruction of Christianity, and Christians have been persecuted in Islamic countries for centuries. The Coptics of Egypt are an perfect example of that.
https://loganswarning.com/2011/05/01/what-islam-really-says-about-jesus-and-his-return/
answer the following questions if you can.
1. If God punished sinless Christ for the sins of other humans, can he be considered a Just God worthy of worship? If God was not just to Jesus who you think is closest to God, then how will that God be Just to you? In Islam God tells us he is a just God who NEVER punishes an innocent for the sins of another.
2. If Jesus was God incarnate, how was he powerless in front of his creation who tortured and Killed him? Powerless God killed by His own sinful creation? Then God is reborn. Is this God or T100 from terminator movies? Islam says God is All Powerful and all creation are powerless before God. God never abandons his Messengers and faithful servants. Hence God saved Messenger/Prophet Jesus from crufixion of the sinful people and raised Jesus alive to the heavens. The Isamic explanation befits God’s infinite and merciful nature.
3. A day old baby does not have any hatred or other ill feelings, how then can he/she be sinful as mentioned in Christianity? Islam says all humans are born sinless but then choose to sin, and each human wil be accountant for their own actions. This is the befiting nature of a Just God as Islam explains.
Your so called God punishes people for “spreading mischief”. “Mischief” can be just about anything.
A just God has to punish the mischief spreaders, otherwise God does not remain just, like in Christianity where someone else is punished for the sins of others.
TRY and enforce Sharia…..
A Just God lifts up the weak.
He does not spend his time inflicting pain on them when they don’t say their “recitation” right.
A just God indeed lifts up the Weak. But the Christian God succumbed to the powerful sinners and the son part of the christian godhead was brutally murdered by the sinners while the father part of the christian godhead sided with the sinners and gloated at the son’s suffering. Thats a false evil god in christianity who supports the powerful sinners giving them victory. A Just God lifts the weak faithful servants Like God in Quran lifted his servant Jesus from the sinners and saved Jesus from suffering and crucifixion. A just God never sides with the powerful sinners, but always sides with the weak and faithful servants of God. Just as the true God is described in the glorious Quran.
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But the Christian God succumbed to the powerful sinners and the son part of the christian godhead was brutally murdered by the sinners
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Already you concede the truth.
The God we worship is not yours.
Your religion is profane.
You worship a spirit of the world.
Such an interpretation is possible only if you refuse to believe in the resurrection, the harrowing of hell and the rising of Christ.
Why do you argue with Christians?
You’re nowhere so far.
One more important thing to note that ‘Slave’ in Islam is not like slave in western or roman terminology. Its more like a servant or helper or worker. There is a Hadith where the Prophet (saw) said ‘do not call them your slaves but call them your brother or sister or your boy or girl’. There is another hadith in which the prophet has commanded people to clothe and feed the servants the same food and clothes as used by the people’ If a servant wanted freedom he could earn it in the Islamic government and a contract of release would be prepared by the Qazi (Judge)
The admin is not posting my comments so a slightly changed user name. The admin is scared of listening to and reading the truth.
I refuted your comments, and you have spammed the site over and over. Using different IP addresses. I will not spend days going in circles with you.
You might want to ask the current slaves in Sudan about that.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pOPD7_SCFNA
Only the sick try to justify slavery.
you could not reply to any of the weaknesses of christianity I pointed in my comments but instead deleted my comments rather than replying to them. You have lost today and will completely lose on the day of judgement!
I have replied for days. Try and pay attention. I am not religious, and if I were to become religious I would not follow a pedophile, plunderer, and rapist like Mohammad. What part of I have better things to do then refute your comments over and over, do you not get? Your mind is enslaved by Islam. You have lost.
You give your reason’s and logic as much as you like.
But if you put those allegations on our prophet (Complete lies) ; I personally will kill you… if and when the opportunity arises….
If Allah will, you will not get away with insulting the one dearer than my own self…
Point out the “lies”.
Mohammad was as sick pervert and tyrant. I am in NY….
Deep down you know your dawah has failed miserably…..Allah will send you into the fire. Enjoy!
You have failed to change my mind about Islam. Your lies have actually turned me more against it. Enjoy watching the war on Islam intensify. All within the law, of course.
Here, by “copy and paste” are examples of how Arab muslims fare with their Ethiopian “servants”.
They are from http://www.arabtimesonline.com
Young Ethiopian maid raped by sponsor’s 3 sons, missing
70-year-old man’s 20-year-old wife caught having fun with her lover
Boy blamed for maid’s pregnancy
‘Indecent’ living
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you are really a mentally retarded person with ZERO IQ. How many times do I have to say that Islam permits muslim men MARRYING a Slave woman as mentioned in Surah Nisa chapter 4 of the Quran. To have intimitate relations with your wife is perfectly fine- whether she is a free woman or a slave woman. Moreover as said earlier slave in Islam is not the equivalent of slave in rome/west. Its the equivalent of worker or helper or servant. but you have proved that whomsoever Allah lets astray, none can guide and womsoever Allah Guides none can misguide…The quotes you provide are from humanbeings and Islam says that everyone can make errors except Allah and ALlah’s messenger (saw).
hope this gets published by the coward admin.
Here comes the ugly side of my latest stalker. They also do NOT have to marry them. You are a rape and slavery supporter. Seek help.
The first quote was from someone who is well respected, the second from the Sahih Ahadith. It is very telling that you support the ahadith, until they show you for being the liar you are. Then all of a sudden they do not count.
If I were a coward, I would not be so outspoken against Islam. You need to lose the ego. It is about wasting time with you. You are obviously obsessed with me.
BTW, you were at your best on Twitter when you said there were no aspects of Sharia in UK. That was a hard one to refute…..
The word used by Prophet (saw) in arabic was ‘Jihad’ Jihad is an arabic word which means to struggle. It does not mean war. The arabic word for war is Harb and the arabic word for armed struggle is Qitaal. But Jihad means only struggle which effectively means perpetual Dawah or reasoning with the non muslims to help them realise the truth.good bye but I do feel sad to think of you on the day of judgement. hope you will be generous enough to publish this.
Jihad has two meanings. Of course you did not mention the second one, which is the lesser jihad. Warfare to spread Islamic rule. (Egypt’s Al Azhar backs this up)
Speaking of the Islamic judgment day.
Allah’s Apostle said “I have been…”. Did not say “You have been…”
jew vs muslims :
It is a sign of day of judgement ; the end of the world . Does that not ring a bell ?
According to Koran verse 33:21 his example on the battlefield is to be followed for all times. Your deception fails here.
Yes, Muslims are to fight and kill Jews to reach judgment day. Are you going to do it?
The greater jihad means struggle within one’s self.
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Jihad is an arabic word which means to struggle. It does not mean war.
Ask the people of Southern Sudan about that one.
I’m sure Jihad means war to them.
How about Nigerian Christians?
Jihad is certainly war to them.
How come we never heard of Ibn-Ishq being one of sahih ahadith ??
Tabari is not one of the authentic books of hadith (The teachings and deeds of the prophet).
Authentic one’s are :(Al-Bukhari, Al-muslim, Ibn-majah , Abu-Dawud and Nisai).
Bring something out of those and we can discuss it.
Anyone can write anything under any title… Doesn’t make it a part of Islam.
Tabari has more credibility than you ever will. Who cites you?
The Muslim Ahadith show Islam allows sex slavery as well.
https://loganswarning.com/2012/12/01/100s-of-chicago-muslims-take-to-the-streets-to-honor-their-perverted-prophet-video/
Nice try.
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One more important thing to note that ‘Slave’ in Islam is not like slave in western or roman terminology. Its more like a servant or helper or worker.
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In the West, slavery is man-stealing. It is, in essence, taking a human being from him or herself, from God, from ancestry, from place, from meaning.
Slavery is the blackest crime in Western history. No culture that ever engaged in it is proud of having done so.
None.
The Ummah is proud of its slavery, proud of buying and selling human beings, proud of dragging people into captivity.
Your culture is corrupt, abhorrent and completely distasteful to us.
Really ??
So I guess you are into slavery. Seek help.
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One more important thing to note that ‘Slave’ in Islam is not like slave in western or roman terminology. Its more like a servant or helper or worker.
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American slave-holders would have said the same damn thing.
There used to be a euphemism for slavery– “involuntary servitude.”
Slavery in Islam is no different as an institution from the slavery of the Atlantic world, except that Atlantic slavery came to an end, and Muslim slavery has not.
We will eviscerate and undermine Muslim slavery from within.
It will be destroyed.
And what exactly is “muslim” slavery ??
Enslavement by Muslims.
you Answer me when the God of the bible punished the sinners in Abrahams time, Noah’s time and Moses time and saved abraham, noah and Moses. How did the God of the bible suddenly transform 2012 years ago and gave the sinners a free ride and instead punished Jesus at the hands of the sinners? That is a very confused false God who changes and cancels his own laws set previously!! The confused false God was created by John, paul and co when they wrote the bible to satisfy their sinned egos.
Come one be brave and answer me.
According to Muslims there is only one God. If that were true, God “canceled” Christianity and went on to Islam.
My dear friend you must answer my question first. But to answer your comment the one true God never cancelled christianity because chirstanity was never from God, it is from paul, john and co. God has always sent Islam through his messengers Abraham, Noah, Moses, Jesus and Muhammad(saw) (peace be on them)
Now that I have anwswered your comment, please please do answer my original question. Why did the God of the bible suddenly 2012 years ago cancel his previous laws and change his attributes of punishing the sinners and saving the messengers as was his practice during abraham, noah and moses times??
Friend? We are not friends, not even close. Are you foolish enough to think I have forgotten your other comments? The message of Jesus was not the message of Islam. That is clear.
It is called making a point, that is still alive today.
unfortunately you could not answer my question anout why the biblical God suddenly nullified all his previous laws and suddenly stopped punishing sinners 2012 years ago when before that he always punished the sinners in abraham, noah and moses times. The answer which you also know deep down your heart is that God never changed his attribues 2012 years ago of not punishing sinners. Rather the bible was written by sinners John paul & co with a changed false God. If you think about it, christianity massages the ego of the sinners and tells them that they are safe because their punishment has been taken by an innocent scapegoat (the son part of the Godhead)
Whereas Islam tells the sinners to stop sinning and ask for the Merciful God’s forgiveness because each person will have to bear the consequences of their own sins.
There really is something wrong with you. I did answer it. What part of I am not religious do you not understand?
As far as sinners being punished, that would be what hell would be for. (If it is all true)
You really need to face the fact that I will NOT become a Muslim. Is that clear enough for you? Like I said, dawah has failed miserably….
Who’s asking YOU to become a muslim.
Everyone doesn’t qualify for everything.
Muslims have asked me to converted and my country is clearly changing to suit Islam. Only the ignorant mentally ill qualify for Islam.
Sounds good.
People who wish to promote sectarianism, hatred etc. shouldn’t have friends…
Islam promotes hatred. Koran 9:30 is just one example.
http://quran.com/9/30
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But to answer your comment the one true God never cancelled christianity because chirstanity was never from God, it is from paul, john and co.
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Thank you for telling the truth.
Enough of the line that Christians and Muslims “worship the same god.”
To anyone who is honest with himself and knows his faith, Christianity and Islam are as separate as oil is from water.
to muslim 2 i am sorry that you have been so misinformed by those who claim to be Christians that we get some sort of free ride because of the scapegoat event. That false doctrine has been promoted since the inception of the Catholic church. Paul and co did not change the word of God just showed us as Christians Jew and Genile how we are to live now that we have been (if truly that) born again. The BLOOD THAT WAS SHED on the cross for all of the world WAS NOT and IS NOT a get out of hell free card. For example Heb 10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
Heb 10:27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
Heb 10:28 He that despised Moses’ law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:
Heb 10:29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?
Heb 10:30 For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people.
Heb 10:31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.
Heb 10:32 But call to remembrance the former days, in which, after ye were illuminated, ye endured a great fight of afflictions;
Heb 10:33 Partly, whilst ye were made a gazingstock both by reproaches and afflictions; and partly, whilst ye became companions of them that were so used.
It is unfortunate that a vast majority of Christians, all over the world have been taught that it is ok to sin against God because of the “Jesus paid it all” mindset of those who will not obey the word of God. But believe you me God will not allow sin to go unpunished starting with his Children 1Pe 4:17 For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?
1Pe 4:18 And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear?
1Pe 4:19 Wherefore let them that suffer according to the will of God commit the keeping of their souls to him in well doing, as unto a faithful Creator.
PLEASE FEEL FREE TO READ ALL OF THE PASSAGE, SO THAT YOU WILL NOT BE DECEIVED BY THE NOTION THAT ALL CHRISTIANS THINK SIN IS OK. THOSE OF US WHO TRULY BELIEVE THE BIBLE HAVE NO MISUNDERSTAND OF WHAT THE SCRIPTURES SAY. BARE IN MIND I SAID THOSE OF US WHO TRULY BELIEVE. WE MAKE NO BONES ABOUT THE WAGES OF SIN BEING DEATH EVEN IF IT MEANS US. the quran is not from God and since it was written some 400 years after Christ I can not but help believe some of the information was taken from the Torah.
WILL BE PRAYING FOR YOUR SALVATION
Nice. 😀
We muslims believe this to be real christianity… (Sadly, most of the modern christians don’t follow it… :/ )
Islam is not Christianity friendly. https://loganswarning.com/2014/08/05/north-american-infidels-debating-tactic-2-we-respect-jesus/
According to muslims, Islam is the enhanced version of christianity, not its replacement.
According to Reliance of the Traveller Christianity is no longer a valid religion.
In Christian theology, sin is the source of all suffering. When sinners continue to sin, they suffer more. The wages of sin, St. Ambrose said, are death.
If this is true, then what makes you think that in Christianity, sinners get a free ride?
A free ride to where?
They don’t get a free ride. And if you’d ever confessed anything . . . I know Muslims don’t confess, then you’d know.
I once had an open mind…. but close encounters with Muslims… made me realize that Muslims are brainwashed, and they are doomed with the disillusion. We are Humans beings before we are a religion… NO one is better than another, I am sick of Islam preaching supremacy, when their example show the contrary.. the one thing that is clear with Muslims is that they are unable to tolerate criticism… that in itself shows Muslims are too frightened to have to open their minds and od some critical analysis… Before you attack… My husband was Muslim, until I realised that it is better to call yourself an atheist than mock GOD with falsities and rituals. I am a religious woman and believe in GOD, but my GOd tell me to be honest and kind and peaceful and tolerant….. Muslims are by large fake, the hijab, prayers, the pilgrimage just a cosmetic camouflage for the sickness they hide within themselves.
Sounds like an awful experience…
Brainwashed ??
Maybe so…
Atleast we know who we are, have a purpose in life and are content.
Are you ?
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I know this is a Muslim forum but I just have to say it: Rev 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death. HOLY BIBLE!! Please note’ “ALL LIARS” shall have their part in the lake of fire. So no matter what the quran teaches about liying THE GOD OF CREATION STATES it is not permissible at all. King David pretended to be mad in order to get out of a tight fix he was in and so it was with a lot of men and women in the OLD TESTAMENT, however when Christ came along the matter was settled whether men like it or not. I am not a fan of Islam or any other religion that promotes lying to people in order to deceive. You especially do not lie to your husband or wife for the purpose of reconcilition and you don’t let family or friends lie for you either in order to keep peace. True reconciliation comes through each humbling themselves and amitting wrong; once done with honesty and sincerity repentance is in order meaning a change in behavior as to not commit the wrong again. NO LIE BRINGS ABOUT PEACE. once the lie is found out then anger ensues all over again. STOP LYING PERIOD!!!
Theoretically, Bible doesn’t allow lying.
Practically, virtually everyone lies (Except may be the pope, cardinal,bishop etc.)
Islam is a real cancer to the world. I recently saw a book, published by some Islamic organization to promote Islam. that book says Islam recognizes woman as an independent person and she has her freedom to do what ever she likes. well, I don’t need to explain this. we all know what sort of freedom, recognition ( legal or social) is enjoyed by Islamic women.
Part of the reason Islam survives is because it lives on lies.
To know what Islam is about, one has to delve deeper.
What may be freedom to one person, may not be freedom to another.
The way muslims see it : Western media/culture creates a mental trap and treats women like a usable item, I promotes short dress (Which men like to stare at), pornographic videos (Exposes the private parts of a woman etc. etc.)
Islam is rigid on “Hijab” (Covering up of women) . Quran also says “There is no compulsion in religion”. Meaning one cannot force religion on somebody… So its entirely the women’s choice to wear whatever tey like ; although Hijab is favoured…
Islam’s is the fastest growing religion in the western world.. and 2/3rd of all new muslims are women. Now, if Islam was about curbing women’s freedom, then something must be wrong with those women??!!!
I have delved deeper, and it is very telling that you avoid what is in the article. Instead wishing to play the game the focus game.
I never said the West was perfect, but of course you left out the fact that Islam is a pervert’s paradise that allows child marriage and sex slavery.
You also left out the fact that if not accepted Islamic RULE is to be forced on non-Muslims, as per Koran verse 9:29.
Then there is this…..
http://www.altafsir.com/Tafasir.asp?tMadhNo=1&tTafsirNo=74&tSoraNo=4&tAyahNo=89&tDisplay=yes&UserProfile=0&LanguageId=2
Fine, lets play by your rules.
Here is the exact wording of the tafsir you just referred :
They long, they wish, that you should disbelieve as they disbelieve, so then you, and they, would be equal, in unbelief; therefore do not take friends from among them, associating with them, even if they should [outwardly] manifest belief, until they emigrate in the way of God, a proper emigration that would confirm their belief; then, if they turn away, and remain upon their ways, take them, as captives, and slay them wherever you find them; and do not take any of them as a patron, to associate with, or as a helper, to assist you against your enemy.
I have highlighted the areas for my points.
1)We are not allowed to take friends among nos-muslims. Doesn’t necessarily mean that we shouldn’t mix with them or make enemy out of them.
2)”Until they emigrate”. Didn’t say “Until YOU force them to emigrate”. So where does this forcing of non-muslim’s come in ?
3)We are to slay the muslim’s who becomes an apostate(which rarely happens). The verse never say it is the duty every individual muslim to kill the apostates wherever they find them. Rather it refers to the islamic govt to do so. You would know it if you read and analyzed the hadith with open mind (By the way, hadith usually points out the details about the verses in Quran).
The verses in Quran are usually linked up. And they were revealed in varying circumstances of necessity. To understand the meaning of a single verse , one has to look at the context. People usually have a habit of making conclusions out of a single verse without reading the full thing.
Also, a person believes what he wants to ; no matter how brightly the truth shines. For instance, somebody might say the earth is flat..because he can see that it is flat.To such a person, scientists are liars.
This is no game. You said you would kill me. Which just proved my point. When are you coming?
https://loganswarning.com/2014/09/19/good-morning-logan-i-will-personally-kill-you/
Muslims are trying to turn America into an Islamic country, and giving someone a convert or be slayed ultimatum is force. So save the spin.
I have read the entire book, so save the out of context claim for someone else. I was on the radio today. They were hoping you were listening and called in.
I also said “IF and WHEN i get the opportunity”.
You made it a personal one.
Even if you die naturally, you will still rot in hell…
As always, people believe waht they want to.
Yeah, Islam is a cancer. So , go find an antidote.
It is the best and the most complete way of life. Try finding something more perfect.
Save your BS for someone else. Your threat was clear.
I am, the call to ban it is just getting started.
Islam allows lashings, child marriage, and the taking of sex slaves. Only the mentally ill think that is perfect.
Is it “perfect” for non-Muslims?
Some people will never understand the love we feel for the prophet.
Perhaps because they are incapable of loving at all.
If they did love some one that deeply, they would understand…
We do not take lightly to our prophet being brutally insulted.
You are truly in need of mental help. Just like Mohammad was. Is that another threat? #Weakling
Shows the low-mindedness present in you.
Seems I was wasting my time by talking to you…
I’m done talking to you.
Good luck for the hell fire.
That is where you and rest of your anti-Christ religion will be heading.
Says the potential pedophile. Yes you were. I will NEVER back off on Islam. If you enjoyed this page, you will love this one.
https://www.facebook.com/NorthAmericanInfidels?ref=br_rs
Look at the comment section. Are you going to threaten them all as well?
They never insulted the prophet.
Lol Obviously they have no respect for him either. Go whine somewhere else. Your pleas fall upon deaf ears here. In other words, I do not even begin to care what “offends” you.
Point out where it says for the Islamic gov’t to do it. http://www.qtafsir.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=622&Itemid=59#2 Like that makes it OK. Your so called religion is cancer, and Jesus is going to come back and bury Mohammad in the pits of hell where he belongs.
Again you point to the Quran only.
You didn’t read what i said about hadith.
Oh look, he added more to the comment AFTER I responded. Further showing what a lowlife he is.
A female can reach puberty at 8. So once again you show just how depraved you are.
Sex slaves, you try to change the focus. A typical Muslim tactic.
http://www.altafsir.com/Tafasir.asp?tMadhNo=1&tTafsirNo=74&tSoraNo=4&tAyahNo=24&tDisplay=yes&UserProfile=0&LanguageId=2
Like an 8 year old really knows what marriage is all about. You are the gift that just keeps on giving.
Have you thought of why Satan is behind Christians? And why these Antichrist exits? The devil worship.. and why Satan is sacred of our lord’s name?
Well, u got to think over it. There is a lot to go brothers
Nice research.
Please, be kind as to mention that the christians, jews, hindus don’t do the same in the same circumstances…
from reading the above comments from admin……… i learned that there are still people who can fall so down to such an extend that they reject the truth…… and even cnt answer the questions asked by muslims……lol… pity omd u
Syed comes here and in an effort to take the focus off of Islam tries to direct it onto me. Which is a common tactic of of Muslim propagandists. The truth is that he could not refute the article, and Islam does allow lying.
As for the questions….what questions? Be specific.
huh!! u people just pointed that lying is permissible in islam…… nd u people are fo0l enough to not to understand the reason behind it….if u can save someones life or can stop the quarrel by telling lie…then that lie is even greater than 100 truths (atleast for that moment)……but again u people are retarted enough to not to get that point…. so get a life man … cos u shall nt get the heaven for sure
There we see the mind of a Muslim at work, blind support for Islam and Mohammad. Which leads to the justification of lying, and then he says we are going to hell…..
Islam permits lying and Satan is the father of lies.
Satan begat Islam.
Logic.
Well shaytaan got kicked out of paradise for being ignorant and you guys are also being ignorant and if you actually read the quran if you lie except in certain cases you are a hypocrite and hypocrites go to he’ll so there
Ye shall judge them by their fruits.
And we do judge you.
As you have judged us for 1,400 years!
We have never ever judged a none muslim seriously all I’m trying to say is if you thought about it maybe you’d understand why would Muhammad (saw) be mentioned in the Torah and the bible if he was false?
@islamlover
yes you do and have judged every other religion. Christians in your countries live persecuted lives and you kill them burn their homes and churches and disallow them descent work. You are the most bigoted beings on this earth. Yet any sneeze in your direction and you run whimpering to the thugs at CAIR to come abuse anyone who you are mad at. We judge you by your actions and your actions are deceitful.