Hey Zuhdi Jasser, MAN UP and Debate me….

I was told that self-professed “moderate” Muslim M. Zuhdi Jasser, M.D. had written an article for “American Thinker”, in which he attacked me, Pamela Geller, and Robert Spencer.

In a past article here, I stated that, when it comes to the subject of Islam, Jasser tries his best to stand by his “religion” and protect it. In his latest column, we seem more of the same.

Less amusing is the bottom line that Geller’s and Spencer’s genre is headed in only one direction-declaring an ideological war against one-fourth of the world’s population and expecting to neutralize the Islamist threat by asking Muslims to renounce their faith.

Not confronting Islam head-on is an obvious failed policy. It is the primary reason that we have the problem in our own backyard! A major part of this failed policy is believing that “moderate” Muslims are going to prevail and come to our rescue, bringing with them a reasonable approach to their religion and its doctrine coexisting with our Western values. It is NOT happening. How much more land does Islam have to dominate before we face this reality?

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5. Logan’s Warning pointed out recently that Jasser has no following among Muslims and doesn’t represent any Islamic tradition. So what’s the point?”

Geller regurgitates here the unsubstantiated ramblings of another blogger, Christopher Logan. Logan’s attack simply rehashes Geller’s previous fabrications declaring me not a Muslim. As to a following, our organization’s primary mission is ideological and it is not a membership based organization. Our mission is reform toward the separation of mosque and state in Islam.

“Unsubstantiated ramblings”? You might want to stop ducking my emails before you make such claims. Islamic Law dictates who is a Muslim, NOT YOU. Do you deny Koran verse 9:29 which calls for the domination of non-Muslims?

Koran verse 009.029
YUSUFALI: Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.

If so, you are an apostate of Islam.

This is proven in the “Reliance of the Traveller, A Classic Manual of Islamic Scared Law” which has the stamp of approval of Egypt’s Al Azhar. Al Azhar is the pinnacle institution of Islamic learning worldwide.

APOSTASY FROM ISLAM (RIDDA)FRGACTS THAT ENTAIL LEAVING ISLAM

(7) to deny any verse of the Koran or anything which by scholarly consensus belongs to it, or do add a verse that does not belong to it;

Do you claim to know more about Islam than Al Azhar? Do you have more influence across the Islamic world than they do? Zuhdi goes on to say…

Even with that, and all of the other obstacles toward change not least of which Geller’s genre creates for rational Muslims, we have over 200 Muslim supporters and over 2000 non-Muslim supporters.

Where is your proof? Name just one U.S. Mosque that supports your so called reform movement. You founded the American Islamic Forum for Democracy (AIFD)in 2003, and even if you do have 200 “Muslim” supporters it just shows that your organization is a failure.

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The National Journal positioned the debate very well in a report last July 31, 2010 titled “Reformers vs. Revivalists.” This debate, this clash, is the one on which we must take sides. Hopefully, some day Geller and Spencer (and others who agree with them) will realize that any mantra or strategy that pits the West or America against all Muslims, or Islam, is what is actually “doomed to failure” – not Rep. King’s hearings.

Once again, we see the Dr. take a stand for Islam…he does an excellent job of speaking out of both sides of his mouth.

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Encouraging this debate will involve a paradigm-shift for some, to look seriously at the work of many Muslim reformers, rather than dismissing us out of hand with scurrilous, inflammatory false accusations and character assassinations. Our work is not just based upon our own ideas but a lifetime of real-world experience with fellow Muslims and reform-minded scholars who believe and practice the same reform-minded Islam. Yes, we have a lot of work to do, but this discussion needs thoughtful, scientific approaches to Muslim communities about the ideas they harbor, rather than off-hand dismissals that allow Islamists to speak for all Muslims and the faith of Islam.

Oh, Zuhdi, I am not dismissing you with false accusations; I am, however, dismissing you for two valid reasons. The first is that YOU do not get to dictate what Islam is… That is the proprietary job of the Islamic scriptures. According to the Koran, mere man cannot change its words.

Koran verse 010.064
YUSUFALI: For them are glad tidings, in the life of the present and in the Hereafter; no change can there be in the words of Allah. This is indeed the supreme felicity.

The Koran also states that Mohammad was the last of the prophets. This is referred to as the Seal of the Prophets.

Koran verse 033.040
YUSUFALI: Muhammad is not the father of any of your men, but (he is) the Messenger of Allah, and the Seal of the Prophets: and Allah has full knowledge of all things.

The second reason I dismiss you is that the Islamic community does not give a hoot what you have to say.

I will close this post with the comment I posted for Jasser on “American Thinker”:

Why don’t you back up your comments with some facts? Why don’t you tell the readers how you have continually ducked my emails? Including this one…. The ACT! Team Runs Away From Zuhdi Jasser Debate?

http://loganswarning.com/2011/01/04/the-act-team-runs-away-from-zuhdi-jasser-debate/

If you have something to say about me, at least man up and talk to me directly.

“Geller regurgitates here the unsubstantiated ramblings of another blogger, Christopher Logan”.

My “unsubstantiated ramblings” are backed up by Egypt’s Al Azhar, widely considered the highest school of Islamic learning in the world, and you are? The following statement is from the Reliance of Traveller, A Classic Manual of Islamic Law. Which has the stamp of approval of Al Azhar.

APOSTASY FROM ISLAM
ACTS THAT ENTAIL LEAVING ISLAM

(7) to deny any verse of the Koran or anything by scholarly consensus belongs to it, or to add a verse that does not belong to it.

If you deny Islamic Law Jasser….

Koran verse 009.029
YUSUFALI: Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.

YOU are an apostate. Now I challenge you to name just ONE Mosque that supports you…. I am NOT FOX News….don’t talk about me, unless you are willing to debate me Jasser.

This column will be mailed to my friend Jasser as well. Lets see if he will man up!

43 comments for “Hey Zuhdi Jasser, MAN UP and Debate me….

  1. MikeTownsend
    February 14, 2011 at 6:14 pm

    This has nothing to do with this article. One can now watch the movie “Iranium” for free for a limited time. “Iranium” is the documentary that the Library and Archives of Canada cancelled because of fear from Muslims. However, James Moore, the heritage minister in Canada, told Library and Archives of Canada to show “Iranium,” despite threats of violence leveled at the institution. It’s very informative. Here’s the link if anyone wants to watch and have a little more armor on their shield. http://www.iraniumthemovie.com/
    Chris–thanks for what you do!

  2. Rose
    February 14, 2011 at 6:37 pm

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  3. eib
    February 14, 2011 at 7:11 pm

    Dr. Jasser, I think, is fairly called a “Muslim reformer”.
    The problem with being a Muslim reformer though, is that the religion claims perfection for itself.
    That means that any attempt at reform will be resisted, and likely with violence.
    I don’t know how much Dr. Jasser has written that articulates his precise relationship and understanding of Islam and the West.
    I don’t even know how much he knows about why the West is the way it is, and why Islam is so hostile to the very essence of the West.
    He represents a group of Muslims who are serious about living in the West instead of destroying the West.
    That doesn’t mean that they’re moderate, it means that they’ve marked out a course that avoids war along the dar-al-Islam v. dar al-harb track.
    The way I see it, Jasser has far more to fear from his co-religionists than from a Westerner who disagrees or shows a historically-grounded suspicion of his stand.

    • admin
      February 14, 2011 at 9:38 pm

      Did you see his article in the American Thinker?

      http://www.americanthinker.com/2011/02/american_islamists_find_common.html

      • eib
        February 15, 2011 at 7:20 am

        No, I haven’t. But I’ll read it through with some of the comments and comment back on this thread.

      • eib
        February 19, 2011 at 9:14 am

        Quote:
        Less amusing is the bottom line that Geller’s and Spencer’s genre is headed in only one direction-declaring an ideological war against one-fourth of the world’s population and expecting to neutralize the Islamist threat by asking Muslims to renounce their faith.
        end quote.

        These are in italics, so they have peculiar emphasis. The question raised is simple, Must Muslims renounce Islam to become citizens of Western countries?
        Obviously, Dr. Jasser, and others, have created an interpretation of Islam that is different from that of the ummah. Certainly different from the “alphabet soup” of organizations he refers to at the beginning.
        This goes to issues not just of nationality and culture, but to issues of individual and personal identity. Whatever Dr. Jasser says or does not say, he can never represent the ummah in its totality. And again, because he has individualized Islam (taken the steps Christians took in the 1640s), he has endangered himself in relation to Islam.
        I haven’t been reading what Pamela Geller or Robert Spencer have written about Jasser because I believe that a man must speak for himself first, and that with respect to himself, his words must come first.
        I do not extend this indulgence to Islam or to other organizations because I believe that individual human beings have rights, and organizations must have no rights. In fact, organizations in general must be restricted severely in order to guarantee individual rights.

      • eib
        February 19, 2011 at 9:18 am

        Quote:
        “Jasser’s Islam does not exist. He does not have a theological leg to stand on. His mosque threw him out. Whatever he is practicing, it’s not Islam, and he speaks for no one but himself.
        end quote.

        This is the West.
        And in the West, if a man doesn’t speak for himself, he is weak and inconsequential.
        As I have written, Jasser has done a kind of intellectual work with his faith that most Muslims refuse to do. In fact, he has done what most Muslims have been forbidden to do. The cultural space the West has given him has helped him to create an interpretation of his faith that is compatible with the West.
        In Islam, this is known as a heresy, and I’m sure that Jasser has faced danger for creating it.
        Does this mean he is not entitled to some respect and the right to speak and write?
        No.

      • eib
        February 19, 2011 at 9:21 am

        Quote:
        Frankly, it takes a lot of chutzpah for any non-Muslim, let alone one who has never met me, to insist that I am not practicing Islam.
        end quote.

        Think back to the time of Martin Luther. There were plenty of people who insisted that his religion was not Christianity.
        What I see here bears great resemblance to the Protestant movement in 16th-century Europe.
        Luther was fortunate that he had the backing of several German princes for his protection.
        Jasser and his friends may need similar protection in the future.
        Think about what they’ve done and whether they should be protected from the violent tendencies of Islam as the unreconstructed practice it.

      • eib
        February 19, 2011 at 9:28 am

        So my conclusion here is that I don’t know Dr. Jasser well enough to tell you if I trust him or I don’t.
        My approach to his work is not based on suspicion, but on historical grounds and my understanding of Islam and the West.
        He might debate you in the future, but he has far to go with his own friends and fellow-worshippers concerning the religious path he has chosen.
        Muslims and people who believe that Islam is only one thing will insist that what he is doing is not Islam.
        Muslims said the same about the Ahmadis, and look at the terrible things that have been happening to them. Do you want that here? I don’t.
        So I’d rather err on the side of caution and defense and protect the rights of Muslims like Jasser to re-interpret their faith.
        We fought for almost 200 years over the right of the individual to re-interpret his faith in Christianity, and over the separation of religion from politics. Let’s not go down this road again.
        Let’s stick to our hard-earned principles.

  4. VanZorge
    February 15, 2011 at 5:38 am

    i have been following this issue with much interest. many of us would hope that there is such a thing as “moderate islam”. however, it will take more than the good intentions of jasser to make this happen. a moderated islam would have to start with the revision of the quran. as long as children are taught the quran and the imams preach violence from in the mosques, islam will continue to be a violent cult.

    jasser seems to be trying to sanitize the old islam, and to give it a happy face. that is nothing more than changing the window dressing. perhaps jasser should convene an international group of imams with the purpose of revising the quran. he should not spend so much time trying to revise the opinion of the american people

    • eib
      February 15, 2011 at 7:22 am

      It’s also important to realize that Jasser, in a historical sense, is far from alone. Islam has had movements in the past toward the use of reason and the integrity of the individual. It’s also important to remember that these have all been bitterly suppressed.
      Thus, liberal Muslim communities exist within Islam, but they have find ways of sheltering themselves from the intolerance of the ummah.
      Case in point: the Ahmadis.

  5. Theseus
    February 15, 2011 at 7:08 am

    Just what is it that a “moderate” Muslim is moderating from? That is the question we need to keep asking. Also, for Islam to moderate it will have to become something other than Islam. It cannot be moderate and still embrace its foundational scriptures. Mr. Jasser cannot be a moderate and still be a Muslim.
    As far as I am concerned the main difference between a moderate Muslim and a radical Muslim is the distance between each one at the instant they detonate a bomb!

  6. Marjorie
    February 15, 2011 at 7:20 am

    What ever you do Chris, don’t hold your breath for a reply. Good Luck on getting even one response.

  7. Dan
    February 15, 2011 at 7:41 am

    I don’t know if Jasser is sincere or not, its not my place to judge. What I do know, and have often said is that he and others like him are some of the most DANGEROUS men in America. As long as he or others like them are given a platform to Preach their reformist propaganda it gives false hope to those uneducated on the qur’an, hadith, or sharia.

    eib said Jasser probably has more to fear from his coreligionist, and eib may be right. Another arguement however may be he has very little to worry about from them for now because he and others like him who live in the west are some of islam’s greatest weapons. islam needs a few like him to keep alive the myth that islam is “the religion of peace”.

    Personaly I think no matter how well intentioned Jasser and those like him may be, they are wolves in sheeps clothing. One has only to look at the PEW Research poll to understand that. Egypt our former ally, long considered a “moderate” muslim country, 85% of those polled WANT to live under sharia law. 85%!!

    The only way we are going to get the violence out of islam is to replace the qur’an with the Holy Bible!

    • February 15, 2011 at 3:19 pm

      Amen!!

  8. Kelly Kafir
    February 15, 2011 at 8:25 am

    I am curious about this guy… He claims to be moderat and that shariah should only be practice in the Muslim home! So I guess he is “moderate” but still reserves the right to beat his wife at home? Real moderate…

  9. Steve Klein
    February 15, 2011 at 8:56 am

    I read through the piece at Am. Thinker. I only wish to comment on only one thing, because I have no way of verifying some of P. Geller’s charges and Jasser’s defense – having been kicked out of his mosque for example.

    Geller: “And when I interviewed Jasser back in 2007, he referred to Israel as occupied territory in the last five minutes of the interview. (b) He blew his cover.”

    Jasser: “The truth: This is absolutely false…. The only mistake I made was to still in 2007 refer to Gaza and parts of the West Bank as “the occupied territories.” On that count, I should have immediately corrected myself but that simple mistake was far from her accusation.

    ‘When Geller says I “blew my cover,” what she is alleging is that I’ve been engaging in al-taquiyya, a term identifying the actions of traitorous Muslims who use deception in order to hide their true beliefs and intentions from their enemies, while on their soil……if Geller actually believed that she ‘exposed’ that I said “occupied territory” (singular – meaning all of Israel) on her radio show, why did she not call me out on it right there and then?”

    Many will forgive Jasser for this “occupied territory” comment since today it is standard international parlance and official U.S. policy at this post-George W. Bush juncture. President Bush made the establishment of a Muslim state in Israel’s heartland a formal goal of U.S. policy only days after the 9/11 Muslim-terror atrocities; namely, the notion that Israel is an “illegal occupier” of Muslim land according to Bush, Secretary Rice and others; historic / Biblical Judea, Samaria, Jerusalem, etc., do not belong to Israel’s Jews. This is a policy Obama is pursuing with a passion.

    I do not accept this false charge. It’s ultimate aim is Israel’s destruction. Israel does not occupy nor possess Muslim land. Israel possesses historic Jewish land. Muslims live in Israel at the good pleasure of Israel’s Jews. It is especially problematic to hear this charge from a Muslim reformer.

    • DilloTank
      March 30, 2011 at 5:05 pm

      Steve,
      I have been trying to make sense of the radical/moderate Muslim dichotomy. I seems to me that there are significant numbers i.e. millions of moderate Muslims. They do not come from the Arab countries. They exist in places like Indonesia and Tunisia. It appears to me they truly believe that their understanding of Islam is correct and their is some historic basis for their understanding. They are not hateful people.However, they do not represent the majority of Muslims and they certainly are not a significant political force in the Middle East. I also believe that they are being systematically killed or bullied into submission to the violent, hate-filled version of Islam that is ubiquitous in the Middle East.

      I believe it is a mistake to question their good intentions. I believe that the version of Islam that they accepted is not violent and hateful. However, it appears to me that they have significant blind spots when to comes to Middle East history and the history of Israel. They seem to accept the Palestinian propaganda. It appears to me that they are genuinely mistaken. (The violent Muslims maybe genuinely mistaken as well.)

      I have read some good books.

      “The Jew Is Not My Enemy” by Tarek Fatah,

      “Nazi Propaganda for the Arab World” by Jeffery Herf, (a must read-groundbreaking work of history)

      “The Fight of Our Lives……” by Dr. William (Bill) Bennett

      “Accomplice to Evil Iran and the War Against the West” by Michael Ledeen

      On a different note;

      “The Roots of Obama’s Rage” by Dinesh D’Souza (another must read about The Presidents Ideological bent, and I mean warped!!!)

      God Bless,
      Dillo

      • eib
        March 30, 2011 at 6:44 pm

        Quote:
        They do not come from the Arab countries. They exist in places like Indonesia and Tunisia.
        end quote.

        In Tunis, last month, a synagogue was burned.
        In Indonesia, crimes against Christians and their churches are commonplace and there was only last month a bitter massacre of Ahmadis.
        Moderate?
        I’d say no.

  10. emmi
    February 15, 2011 at 9:07 am

    I don’t know who the uk ‘moderate’ Muslims are,but one popped up on Dispatches, Channel 4,uk, 14th Feb 2011 and surprisingly stated that the Deobandi form of Islam is ‘very dangerous’.
    Apparently there are approx 600 Deobandi mosques in the uk, run by a Taliban founder. I don’t know who runs the other 750 mosques.

  11. February 15, 2011 at 9:10 am

    To my friends who don’t know the meaning of incest: The meaning of incest is the sexual intercourse between closely related persons. So pedophile, child molester Muhammad committed incest when he “married” Zainab, his son’s wife. The meaning of incest doesn’t mean that it can be committed only when a brother has sex with his sister.

    Could you “marry” your daughter-in-law? There is no way that I could do that. Only a depraved, sinful, sex maniac like Muhammad could do that. I would be willing to go to the gallows before I could “marry” my daughter-in-law. I really mean that. But could Muhammad do likewise? No way; that pervert would “marry” several daughters-in-laws if he had the chance.

    And you, my friend Sundis, why blame it on the weather? So pedophile Muhammad “married” Aa’ishah because of the “hot” weather. Friend, have you ever heard of a free will? And haven’t you heard of a developed human brain? Let’s face it friend; Muhammad was a very depraved, sinful Muslim sex pervert, with unbridled desires, and that’s why he “married” and raped a little child. And Muhammad’s brain was perpetually incensed with perversion. How else do you account with his many women that he took to bed?

    So Muhammad had a dream about “marrying” Aa’ishah? Are you sure it wasn’t a wet dream? Remember, Muhammad was a pervert of the first class. Also, don’t forget that Muhammad could lie. I’ve noticed that all the “revelations” that Muhammad received always benefitted him in some way. Hey, Sundis, did you ever hear of a false prophet and a scoundrel? Jim Jones, who loved his women, also had “revelations.”

    And don’t give me that crap about maturity. No matter how you look at it, Aa’isha’s brain was less than nine years old. So how mature can a child be with a brain that is only 8 years and 9 months old? Can you see how clever I am, Sundis? I’ll bet I’m making you think.

  12. February 15, 2011 at 9:22 am

    Yes, I think the key point in considering Jasser’s persona is that he is preaching his “moderation” to the infidels instead of to the ummah. There is less, of course, to fear in dealing with us tolerant infidels than with the “true believers” of his own vitriolic faith, and a bigger payday to boot.

  13. MN
    February 15, 2011 at 12:15 pm

    To all “REFORMERS”,
    .
    You people think that in the past 1400 years of its barbaric, brutal and sub-human existence, there were no other philosophers and intellectuals who’ve already attempted it? Believe me, there’s been a lot of people – especially the Persians, who’ve tried the very best to tame this in-human beast of an ideology. There’s been enough Ahmadiyas, Sufis who’ve tried their hand and failed.
    .
    All you REFORMERS need to do is this one simple Google.
    “al-Ghazali reason leads to despair”
    .
    Centuries ago, this very same debate between REFORM & ORTHODOX Islam was fought. The debate ended – after al-Ghazali very effectively proved that all rational thinking and reasoning FAILS – in comparison to the Allah SWT given wisdom of al-Quran-e-majheed.
    .
    With this, effectively, other than Allah Subhana-wa-taala, Rasool-il-Allah Sallallaahu-Walaia-sSalam & the wisdom of al-Quran-e-shareef – no other reason, logic, thought or rational process could ever appeal to a MUSLIM.
    .
    So, if anything else does appeal to you – you need to get yourself checked with the nearest Imam or someone scholarly from the Ummah.
    .
    Adios!
    MN

    • MN
      February 15, 2011 at 12:24 pm

      May be with al-Ghazali’s scholarly works could persuade you – to shun reason & hence reform.

    • eib
      February 15, 2011 at 2:14 pm

      As I’ve written before . . . movements toward more reason and reform in Islam have almost always been bitterly suppressed.
      Western Civilization is the only refutation of the idea that reason leads to despair.
      In the West, reason has truly led to abundance, joy, and fulfillment.

      • Emm
        February 15, 2011 at 3:29 pm

        Not from what I’ve experienced living here (in the west).

        • eib
          February 22, 2011 at 5:25 pm

          Then you have read nothing of Petrarch.
          Nothing of St. Thomas More.
          You have never seen any of the paintings in the National Gallery of Art, let alone the Metropolitan Museum of Art.
          You are an empty shell that thinks it is full.
          You have not read Voltaire, Xenophon, Franklin, Cather or even McCullers.
          What the hell are you? You are no Westerner if all you can associate the West with is your experience.

      • Emm
        February 15, 2011 at 3:30 pm

        Islam has nothing to do with reason anyways; they are here to conquer (sp)!!

      • MN
        February 15, 2011 at 7:19 pm

        “In the West, reason has truly led to abundance, joy, and fulfillment”
        .
        Reason leading to despair is only a perspective. What you might call as abundance, joy & fulfillment – is precisely what people like al-Ghazali might classify as despair.
        .
        The other day, on East-bound 134 near Glendale, a white Mazda was hit by another vehicle & ended up-side down. And I was on the lane next to this accident, driving at 60 mph. One way to look at this, possibly your way, is that I was lucky & wasn’t involved in the accident. Another way, (which I think al-Ghazali would fall back to) is to blame technological advances in automobile & infrastructure and prefer the 7th century ways of living. Including, using odd-number of stones to clean one’s rectum after excretion – as advised in the ‘Hadith’ – Question: True or False?
        .
        Read more of senseless ramblings at,
        http://viewed-thru-saffron-glasses.blogspot.com/
        .
        MN

        • eib
          February 23, 2011 at 7:41 pm

          Fascinating site. Thanx.

  14. Margaret
    February 15, 2011 at 1:58 pm

    Here is a list of banks and other businesses that have caved and are now shariah compliant:

    http://www.citizenwarrior.com/2011/02/shariah-finance-watch-has-list-of.html

    Some of you may want to check the list for your own banks.

    • admin
      February 15, 2011 at 7:05 pm

      Thank you Margaret!

      • MN
        February 15, 2011 at 7:41 pm

        “http://www.citizenwarrior.com/search/label/moderate%20Muslims”
        .
        Chris,
        .
        Please check on the list of individuals that Citizen Warrior states as ‘eligible’ to represent Islam & Muslims in American media.
        .
        Your opinion?
        .
        MN

        • admin
          February 15, 2011 at 11:01 pm

          Hi,

          Please give me about a day.

          • MN
            February 16, 2011 at 5:31 pm

            No rush. Whenever you get time, Chris.

          • MN
            February 22, 2011 at 4:00 pm

            Did you check that website’s list of ‘eligible’ persons?
            .
            Once again, no-rush. Whenever you get a chance, please do respond.
            Older comment:
            “http://www.citizenwarrior.com/search/label/moderate%20Muslims”
            .
            Chris,
            .
            Please check on the list of individuals that Citizen Warrior states as ‘eligible’ to represent Islam & Muslims in American media.
            .
            Your opinion?
            .
            MN

          • admin
            February 23, 2011 at 6:07 pm

            Hi, I took a quick look at some of them.

            Hedieh Mirahmadi, an attorney by profession, serves as legal counsel and consultant for several multinational non-governmental organizations, which cultivate an international network of support and expertise to combat the spread of Islamist extremists and the means by which they advance their goals. She travels extensively on behalf of those organizations [e.g. Indonesia, Malaysia, Lebanon, Africa, Egypt, and UK] in order to learn about the methodology, ideology, infrastructure, and recruiting techniques of Islamist extremist movements. She has interviewed countless individuals around the Muslim world, including here in the US, to understand what ideologically motivates people towards the extreme, as well as the economic, social, and financial incentives used to recruit followers.

            Maybe she means well, but she does not know what ideology is the problem?

            Zeyno Baran:

            “The most important ideological struggle in the world today is within Islam, between Islamists, extremist activists who hijack Islam and seek political power to reshape societies, and moderate and secular Muslims who embrace the compatibility of Islam and democracy as well as the individual freedoms we all cherish in the West.” — Zeyno Baran, Hudson Senior Fellow and Editor of The Other Muslims

            MN, we both know Islam was NOT hijacked, and she is buddies with Jasser.

            I think the line of thinking that “moderate” Muslims are coming to the rescue is just using up precious time. Time which we do not have.

  15. Auntie Izlam
    February 15, 2011 at 2:31 pm

    When push comes to shove, when islam is on the line ALL practicing muslims line up in defense of islam. NEVER trust a one.

  16. refuse2lose
    February 15, 2011 at 3:50 pm

    Our country is in dire straights. Radical Islamists have invaded DC,we have millions of people out of work and homeless,trillions of dollars in debt. Don’t take this the wrong way,but I think the time for debate has passed. It would only serve to give muslims more attention and allow them to insult Americans. As for those of us who are still living with our EYES WIDE SHUT….. stop trying to educate them. They will find out soon enough that Islam is not a religion of peace.

  17. Chris
    February 15, 2011 at 4:35 pm

    I believe that Dr. Jasser is a desperately sincere and a very intelligent person who is trapped in a severe case of “cognitive dissonance.” This sociological term is defined as “A condition of conflict or anxiety resulting from inconsistency between belief and action, such as opposing animal slaughter and eating meat.” In Dr. Jasser’s case, he cannot leave Islam but he realizes that much of its ideology is offensive by 21st Century standards. It is only by ignoring those offensive parts that he can find peace with his belief system. Sadly, has virtually no following among Muslims. Because his views gain no traction among Muslims, he is a “data point,” but not a “vector.”

  18. MN
    February 15, 2011 at 7:35 pm

    Interestingly & not surprisingly he has 10 times more followers in the non-Muslim category compared to the 200 Muslims, based on his self-made disclosure.
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    Now, if his REFORMIST Islam was more popular, why aren’t more people buying in – on it? It’s pretty obvious that other than a few of his near & dear ones, many have clearly shown him the door – reminds me of how Rasool-il-Allah SAWS was shown the door during the initial years of ‘his own’ preaching. Also reminds me of the penultimate Prophet of the Ahmeddiyas – a similar scenario.
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    Both the Ahmeddiyas & the Jahanpanah-Akbar-inspired Din-illahi are failures, the latter now extinct, while the former is still in the current phase of being eradicated.
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    I don’t see much difference between the Sunni-Shia, Salafi-Wahabbi-Hanafi-Hanbali, Ashraf-Arzal, and this Mr. Jaffer v/s other versions of Islam. The more powerful, ruthless & barbaric ones – will eventually eradicate & convert the others. So, Mr. Jaffer’s is a sail-boat that’s self-intended to be destroyed by the more powerful war-ships like Wahabbi-Islam.
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    Or, he could be using al-Taqqiya to dupe us dirty, nujus, Kufars – and eventually join the war-ship with the Salafis or Wahabbis.
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    MN

  19. admin
    February 22, 2011 at 10:13 pm

    Hi MN,
    Sorry for the delay. I have the link open in another browser. I will take a look at it tomorrow afternoon.

    Chris

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