The Bitter Truth: “Moderate” Muslims are not Coming to the Rescue

As most of you know I have been speaking out against the threat of Islam for approximately eight years now. Over the years, I have seen the same pattern of denial and baseless wishful thinking. Obviously President Bush knew of the threat of violent Muslims, but outside of that he was uninformed on Islam. Him continually telling us that Islam was a religion of peace has set us back years in the war against Islam. Bush believed that “moderate” Muslims and democracy, were going to transform the Islamic world into a peaceful coexistence with us. In fact democracy with Muslims has not only backfired on us, it has also legitimized Islamic terrorist organizations like Hamas when they were voted into office. Some other examples of this failure are Sharia being implemented in Somalia, after it was voted in, Hezbollah gaining power in the government of Lebanon, and what might just be the most dangerous Islamic political party of all, Turkey’s AKP Party has won two consecutive elections. They are also possibly on their way to a third victory.

Besides these obvious failures, our country is at war in at least five Islamic countries (Afghanistan, Iraq, Pakistan, Somalia, and Yemen (recently), yet we foolishly allow Muslims to come here.

In 2005, more people from Muslim countries became legal permanent U.S. residents — nearly 96,000 — than in any year in the previous two decades. More than 40,000 of them were admitted last year, the highest annual number since the terrorist attacks, according to data on 22 countries provided by the Department of Homeland Security.

So now we have more Muslims here than ever, and the problem is getting worse and worse in America. Not only are they trying to open up Mosques across America, many of them are openly supporting Sharia Law. Are the “moderates” still coming to the rescue?

You see, when people say the “moderates” are the answer it sends out a sense of false hope to non-Muslims, and then many of them let their guard down in regards to Islam. It is like going to the doctor, finding out that you have a life threatening disease, but then the doctor tells you the problem will resolve itself. Well, that is not happening with the threat of Islam.

A few years ago Muslims against Sharia were the rage, and non-Muslims naively believed they were going to rewrite the Koran and the Islamic world would accept it. If anyone still thinks this is going to happen, just go ask MAS to name one US Mosque that is awaiting for their version of Islam.

Then there is Dr. Zuhdi Jasser who I believe means well, and does a good job on getting the word out. But lets face it, what he is selling is not Islam and after seven years his organization really has no Muslim following.

From his site.

AIFD seeks to make a small contribution to the body of thought which articulates an understanding of Islam which separates religion and state and is in complete harmony with the U.S. Constitution and our citizenship pledge.

The problem is that he does not get to rewrite the Islamic scriptures. According to an Islamic Law manual approved by Al Azhar the highest learning Islamic school in the world, to deny any verse of the Koran is to apostate from Islam.

ACTS THAT ENTAIL LEAVING ISLAM

O8.7
(7) to deny any verse of the Koan or anything which by scholarly consensus belongs to it, or to add a verse to that does not belong to it;

The following statement is also on Jasser’s site.

AIFD was formed as an unmistakable expression of American liberty and freedom in an attempt to take back the faith of Islam from the demagoguery of the Islamo-fascists.

This statement is completely misleading, as Mohammad himself was an “Islamo-fascist”

Volume 1, Book 8, Number 387:
Narrated Anas bin Malik:

Allah’s Apostle said, “I have been ordered to fight the people till they say: ‘None has the right to be worshipped but Allah.’ And if they say so, pray like our prayers, face our Qibla and slaughter as we slaughter, then their blood and property will be sacred to us and we will not interfere with them except legally and their reckoning will be with Allah.” Narrated Maimun ibn Siyah that he asked Anas bin Malik, “O Abu Hamza! What makes the life and property of a person sacred?” He replied, “Whoever says, ‘None has the right to be worshipped but Allah’, faces our Qibla during the prayers, prays like us and eats our slaughtered animal, then he is a Muslim, and has got the same rights and obligations as other Muslims have.”

Recently on Facebook and other sites the rage has been a so called Muslim from Bangledesh, named Shoaib Choudhury. He claims that Islam will reform, and I do realize that he has done some good in the past.

Due to its non-stop efforts through publication of editorials and commentaries, Bangladeshi government banned a notorious Islamist militancy group named Hizbut Tahrir in 2009. Anti Semitic book and DVD named ‘Dajjal’ published by another Islamist militancy group named Hizb-Ut-Towhid was also stopped from open circulation in Bangladesh due to efforts of Blitz.

He states the Koran will reform but when questioned he gets angry and has no real answers, just like Muslims Against Sharia. Here is a recent Facebook email exchange with Choudhury.

Christopher Logan September 22 at 3:11am
Hi Shoaib…..are you against Sharia Law?

Thank you.

Here is his first response to me. The reason you do not see his name is because once I asked him the tough questions, he did not answer and deleted me as a Facebook “friend”.

September 22 at 1:27pm
Dear Mr. Logan:

I am sure, you never have read my articles anywhere. Yes, I am fighting against Sharia Law because it is the root cause of every evils. Hudson New York published series of my articles against Sharia. And my newspaper Weekly Blitz continues to combat Sharia Law.

Thank you very much for asking.

Shoaib

In my return email, I got right to the point.

Christopher Logan September 22 at 2:04pm

If you are fighting Sharia Law, you are fighting parts of the Koran.

Now we see where he says the Koran can be reformed.

September 22 at 2:07pm
Of course! Koran needs massive reform.

At this time I pointed out what the Koran states.

Christopher Logan September 22 at 2:10pm
Only thing is the book says that mere man cannot change the words of Allah. (Not those exact words). It also states that the actions of Mohammad are to be followed for all times.

He sure did cover his bases.

Now we see Shoaib lose his cool, make a false statement about the Koran, and he tries to change the focus all in one email.

September 22 at 2:15pm
NO! THIS IS WRONG! KORAN SAYS, “HUMANS CANNOT CHANGE THE WORLD ORDER” AND IT SAYS, MUSLIM SHOULD BELIEVE IN MOSES, JESUS, MOHAMMED AND OTHER PROPHETS.
ON THE OTHER HAND, VERSE AL IMRAN [NO 9] IT SAYS “THIS HOLY KORAN, MAJOR SEGMENT OF WHICH ARE IMAGINARY, WHILE ONLY FEW ARE INSTRUCTIVE.
THOSE IDIOTS TAKE THE IMAGINARY PORTIONS OF KORAN AND CREATE ANARCHY, WHILE INTELLIGENTS ONLY TAKE THE INSTRUCTIVES AND ESTABLISH PEACE”
NOW, FRANKLY, I BELIEVE, THERE IS HUMAN HAND IN KORAN. ESPECIALLY HANDS OF JEW HATER OSMAN AND OMAR, BOTH CALIPHS OF MOHAMMED. I CAN GIVE EVIDENCE HERE ON THIS CLAIM.

As you can see I never asked him anything about Jesus, and he never provided evidence on his claim on what the Koran says.

Christopher Logan September 22 at 2:25pm

You do not sound like a man of peace at all.

Here are three translations.

Koran verse 010.064
YUSUFALI: For them are glad tidings, in the life of the present and in the Hereafter; no change can there be in the words of Allah. This is indeed the supreme felicity.

PICKTHAL: Theirs are good tidings in the life of the world and in the Hereafter – There is no changing the Words of Allah – that is the Supreme Triumph.

SHAKIR: They shall have good news in this world’s life and in the hereafter; there is no changing the words of Allah; that is the mighty achievement.

How come you do not mention that the Islamic version of Jesus is a different one than of a Christian?

Is this the Sura you are talking about?

Onto Sura 9:

Verse 9:29 is instructive. That is some kind of “peace”…..

(For those who do not know, this is Koran verse 9:29.)

Koran verse 009.029
YUSUFALI: Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.

A day later I still had not received a response from him. So I sent him the following two emails.

Christopher Logan September 23 at 6:18pm
Choudhury,
Do you not care to continue this conversation?

Then I hit him pointblank with hard honest questions.

Christopher Logan September 23 at 6:20pm
I am just curious, who gets to rewrite the Koran, you? What credentials do you have to do that? Do you have more say in the Islamic world than Al Azhar, the world’s highest learning Islamic school in the world? Please name on Mosque that is waiting for a new version of the Koran.

Thank you.

The next time I checked my Facebook email, I saw that he had deleted me. While people like him and Jasser might mean well and I wish them luck, we as non-Muslims have to come to terms with the situation. “Moderate” Muslims are not coming to the rescue, and at best they are irrelevant. When it comes to non-Muslims supporting them, I can understand giving a shout out to a guy like Jasser, but to constantly promote the “moderate” Muslim fantasy is to do more harm than good. As you are only spreading false hope. It is not happening. It is up to us non-Muslims to win this war.

75 comments for “The Bitter Truth: “Moderate” Muslims are not Coming to the Rescue

  1. October 3, 2010 at 10:57 pm

    Apart from the koranimals flooding into the US legally, there are also the illegal ones. Prayer mats have been found littering the desert trails from Mexico into Arizona and New Mexico. Hezbollah are up to something in South and Central America. They seem to have an association with Chavez, for example.

    The sooner O’Bummer is gone and borders are secured and the illegals hunted down and removed, the safer the US will be.

  2. Kendra
    October 3, 2010 at 11:18 pm

    Hi Chris– I just sent you a note by email but that was before I read this entire post! I am so glad you wrote this– I find the whole Choudhury story fascinating and I don’t even know all of it yet. But, when I first met his former colleague, I wondered about Choudhury, too, because I had a hard time understanding how someone who saw all the faults of Islam could actually still be Muslim, too. If my religious texts advocated death and destruction, etc., until the entire world was my religion, I wouldn’t be following the religion anymore. Unless, of course, I really thought it was the direct unchangeable word of God– and then I’d follow it or refuse to at my peril. But, the idea that people believe they can reform Islam or rip out offensive pages is absurd. What man’s judgment is better than Allah’s? Islam can’t be reformed.

    • October 4, 2010 at 11:48 am

      kendra– Sadly many many people do not understand the Facts you have just laid out. Nor what Christopher has shown. Even sadder still- is that they blindly follow a Choudary though his “words” have NO connection to Islam or Mohammed. Or any Islamic Nation or area from Mecca and Moe through now. “Imaginary” parts of the Quran.sheesh— And what is really sad is that $$ is solicited and Jewish people targeted for funding–this nonsense. Would it not be better to send $$ to Sderot or a children’s fund for the those throughout the world who have lost parents due to Islamic Violence.– Hey I to wish SC well -but the fact is in BANGLEDESH his Blitz prints freely– Yet if a paper in Dearborn Mich or Malmo Sweden wrote the things He does about “Imaginary” quran (as an example) more then likely it would attacked.

  3. admin
    October 3, 2010 at 11:31 pm

    If I were against the main concept of a religion/ideology I would just leave it as well.

    Thanks Kendra!

  4. October 4, 2010 at 12:26 am

    Interesting about Mr. Choudhury, Chris.
    I liked some of what he has written but
    asked him some of the questions, not in
    much detail as you did as I am not as
    knowledgable about islam as you are(I
    am getting better!!)and pretty much
    got the same reaction. Wish I had
    saved the emails but the point is
    quite clear. Moderate muslims are for
    the most part insignificant and most
    are in hiding or dead.

    Stopping muslim immigration? Absolutely
    and we should have done so in 1979!
    Think how much better off the USA would
    be if we had done this in 1979!

  5. Arthur
    October 4, 2010 at 4:27 am

    The important thing to know about islam is that it is inherently evil and its adherents want to subjugate the world under shariah.islam cannot and will not ever be peaceful. The whole ethos and culture of islam is disgustingly evil!!!
    NO THANK YOU AND NO SURRENDER!!!

  6. Darrell
    October 4, 2010 at 7:11 am

    The trial of Geert Wilders starts today. Send some prayers up for the man he gets convicted all of europe may be lost.

  7. Dan
    October 4, 2010 at 8:27 am

    Chris,

    I believe this is your best article yet, and you have written some fantastic articles. I am convinced these “moderate” muslims do us more harm than good.

    As I continuly tell people, there is no such thing as “moderate” islam. There are only devout muslims, and muslims who aren’t devout. Dr Mark Gabriel, one of the leading experts on Christianity vs islam, says in his opinion about 10% of all muslims are devout, with another 25% who are close, and just need something to “push them over the edge.”

    When you multiply that by the 1.57 billion muslims in the world, that is a tremendous amount of people who believe the qur’an is the ‘true word of God’, and should be strictly followed. In my opinion, the danger of these ‘moderate’ muslims, is they make people who haven’t educated themselves about the qur’an, The Holy Bible, or world history, think allah is the God of The Bible. He is NOT.

    We are at war, not just physical, but also Spiritual War. islam cannot be defeated by our soldiers alone. We can’t just seal our borders and allow no more muslims in to stop it. There are already to many here, plus missiles don’t go through border checkpoints.

    As a Christian, a Pastor, and someone who like yourself has spent years studying the qur’an, the hadith, and sharia, I know it is going to take much more than just our military to defeat this evil that is islam. If we try to defeat islam with only our military and law enforcement, all we are going to do is push that other 25% over the edge. Then we will have over 500 MILLION terrorist, or devout muslims, the two words are interchangeable.

    We have to attack them from every side. First thru Prayer and missionary work, second what you do so well, educate people to the dangers and evil that is islam. We have to hold our politicians accountable. They have to learn islam is NOT a religion, it is a cult, a way of government that is NOT compliant with our Constitution. They must stop allowing judges to consider sharia in their courtrooms. All of these things must be used along with our military and law enforcement, or we will lose our freedoms.

    Thank you Chris for all you do to educate and warn of the dangers of islam and sharia. You are a true Patriot! God Bless!

    • admin
      October 4, 2010 at 12:40 pm

      Hi Dan,
      That was a great post. We need a multi-attack on Islam.

      Thanks, and BTW…..The Church needs more like you.

      • Dan
        October 4, 2010 at 10:58 pm

        Thank you Chris! Keep up the great work!

  8. Darrell
    October 4, 2010 at 9:42 am

    I just found this it may be old news to some but I found it quite an interesting take on Islam by Churchill

    “Besides the fanatical frenzy, …, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy,” he wrote. “The effects are apparent in many countries. Improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist where the followers of the Prophet rule or live. … The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to a sole man as his absolute property, either as a child, a wife, or a concubine, must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men. … Individual Moslems may show splendid qualities – but the influence of the religion paralyzes the social development of those who follow it.” And Churchill concluded: “No stronger retrograde force exists in the world.”

  9. October 4, 2010 at 10:16 am

    A practicing Muslim prays five times a day for the destruction of all non-Islam beliefs, non-beliefs, and the installation of a World Caliphate. What part of wanting to destroy my way of life is moderate? The Muslim family living next door might not ever raise a saber to my head, but I am considered unclean and not entitled to my liberty. Every day he attends services in a Mosque he hears that soon my way of life will end and Islam will rule the world. My neighbor contributes to organizations here and abroad that are working to overthrow my Constitution and replace it with Sharia Law. This means that American women will be reduced to a status one step below beasts of burden. What is moderate about that?

    • Darrell
      October 4, 2010 at 10:21 am

      Dont forget non muslims are supposed to pay a “tax” to live in a muslim society a bit of a protection racket is what it sounds like.

  10. desertscout
    October 4, 2010 at 11:18 am

    From Rambam:

    http://www.andrewbostom.org/blog/2007/12/26/maimonides-and-the-%E2%80%9Cmeshugga%E2%80%9D-prophet/

    ” … Then they imposed upon us distinctive garments…As for the decree enforcing the wearing of long sleeves, its purpose was to make us resemble the inferior state of women, who are without strength. They were intended by their length to make us unsightly, whereas their color was to make us loathsome… The purpose of these distinctive garments is to differentiate us from among them so that we should be recognized in our dealings with them without any doubt, in order that they might treat us with disparagement and humiliation. . . Moreover it allows our blood to be spilled with impunity. For whenever we travel on the wayside from town to town, we are waylaid by robbers and brigands and are murdered secretly at night or killed in broad daylight…”

    ********
    Sharia allows for this type of discrimination against all non-Muslims. “Moderate Muslims” so called, will allow this same type of persecution and discrimination to occur when ‘the flag of Islam flies over the White House!!!’ Many Muslims in the world already think that Barack Hussain is a fulfillment of a 13th century prophecy given in Damascus speaking about the Islamic Sun rising in the West. Islam is as insidious as an undetected cancer. Islam is a masterful creation dedicated to the overlords of evil. The worst for this planet is yet to come at the hands of their celebrated ‘rider on the white horse,’ the Mahdi.

  11. New Crusader
    October 4, 2010 at 12:13 pm

    What no Muslimaniacs are moderate? I wonder just how many Muslims forsook their faith in Allah when they counted up the bodies of innocent people bombed, beheaded and what not. That must be an amazing single digit count. The most moderate Muslimaniacs I’ve seen were dancing in the street after 9/11. No where did I notice Muslimaniacs in remorse (nor have I yet to see) over what happened. I’m sure there might have been a few of weak Koranic commitment, but no real action to see that their brotherhood not repeat these kinds of tragedies. Some words maybe, but no convincing actions to see that this aggression not continue across the world. They and their actions alone convince me that there never will be either. This is an aggressive bunch of people and they need to be met with force.

  12. October 4, 2010 at 12:47 pm

    Looks like there is an on-going street war right now in Vollsmose outside Odense in Denmark. Immigrant gangs are fighting with AK81 which are hangarounds to Hell’s Angels. I haven’t found video of it yet. Translate it with google.

    http://ekstrabladet.dk/112/article1424708.ece#ixzz11PnHQLlh

    HA and AK81 are mortal enemies to a mussie gang called Black Cobras.

    • admin
      October 4, 2010 at 12:56 pm

      I could see this happening across Europe, because of Muslim immigration. Which gangs are the largest?

      • October 4, 2010 at 3:38 pm

        I actually don’t know. The mussie gangs are even more violent than the danish ones. The only comfort and consolation is that HA has plenty of guns and are willing to use them and as they come from a western tradition defends our lifestyle. They don’t like that the muz also attacks defenceless elders or children. So basically, not even criminal danes likes the arselifters.

  13. Anne
    October 4, 2010 at 5:20 pm

    Chris, you’re right about “moderate” Muslims being irrelevant. We have never heard a statement from any mullah or imam condemning the murders of Christians, Jews, Buddhists… recent statements by the powers in Egypt condone, in fact encourage the abuse of the Coptic Christians. Any public lectures anywhere condemning terrorist attacks, or any of the horrific massacres in Beslan, London, Madrid, NYC, Bali, Mumbai?…It’s just so much easier to chase down and stone to death a little 13 year old Somali girl who was a victim of gang rape.

    I don’t trust any of them as long as the atrocities committed by muslims is met with silence by their “leaders” and “guardians of the faith”.

  14. Anne
    October 4, 2010 at 5:37 pm

    And what’s worse is the American dhimmiwits who still think Rauf of Ground Zero Mosque fame (and yes, it IS ground zero, where a piece of plane wreckage fell through the roof)is a moderate even after he accused America of being an “accessory” to 9/11…and recently implied that we’d be attacked again if we don’t appease him. Of course another imam who has no control over his attack dogs.

    Then there is the apostate Catholic, John Esposito of Georgetown U. and ex-Catholic Ingrid Mattson.

    And of course the appeaser-in-chief, Barack Obama and his tool P.J. Crowley.

  15. John Sobieski
    October 4, 2010 at 7:21 pm

    It’s not just the moderate muslims, it’s their supporters.These Christian and Jewish clerics who embrace these interfaith dialogues. Their ignorance of Islam betrays them as buffoons and pompous.

    • AmericanMe
      October 4, 2010 at 9:33 pm

      @John
      A woman whom I volunteer with at a multi denominational Christian charity went to one of those interfaith taqiyya fests and came back practically ready to put on a burqua! The muzzies are trained for months on what we will ask how to answer etc and are told, and sadly often times rightly so, that we do not know our own Holy Bible or our religion.

      A large Presbyterian church with an affluent congregation here READ THE KORAN IN THE CHURCH SANCTUARY on 9-11!!!!!!

      I just switched from Methodist to another denomination because the Methodist church seems to have morphed into a leftist anti-Israeli political organization!

      People trust their ministers and are being lead to slaughter by them!

      • Darrell
        October 4, 2010 at 10:25 pm

        The methodist church is pretty much the most wishy washy church in the world they can’t even decide if abortion is right or wrong.

        I was told this by an Army chaplin “smile when they look at you but only smile because you know you have chainmail on to keep the knife out of your back.”

        Sound advice if I have ever heard any.

      • Dan
        October 4, 2010 at 10:51 pm

        We will gladly accept you in the Politicaly Incorrect Southern Baptist Church!

      • New Crusader
        October 6, 2010 at 12:02 am

        Didn’t Jesus call Ministers and leaders like this in the first Century “White Washed tombs – outwardly beautiful but inwardly full of dead mens bones”

  16. desertscout
    October 5, 2010 at 12:20 am

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=agOU2R6MTbg

    The truth about Islam from Anjem Choudary: a ‘moderate Muslim!!!’

  17. October 5, 2010 at 3:08 am

    Mostly posting because I cleaned my cookies, nothing else. Just skip this.

    • October 5, 2010 at 6:37 am

      Cookies are meant to be eaten. 8)

      • October 5, 2010 at 10:49 am

        How do you eat computer cookies unless you’re Pacman?

        • October 5, 2010 at 8:21 pm

          Why else would it make that crunching sound? ;-)

  18. Darrell
    October 5, 2010 at 10:47 am

    Ya know I think it is time for an art show I think every American who is against islam should put their own special spin on mohammed and mohammadians we could rent out a nice art gallery somewhere and get some news coverage.

    I bet we could rake in all kinds of money for fundraising and things of that nature. Plus it would be fun to watch the koranimals scream and roll around in the street.

  19. October 5, 2010 at 2:53 pm

    Islam cannot be reformed because Islam teaches evil. So how can you reform evil? It’s impossible to reform evil. What you must do is abandon evil if you wish to become a better person. EVIL SIMPLY CANNOT BE REFORMED.

    Some Muslims are actually good people. Since they are good, I suggest that they read the Christian’s New Testament. These good Muslims will discover that they are more like Jesus Christ than they are like Muhammad. So good Muslims, why not read the New Testament and compare with the Qur’an?

    Good Muslims, most of you will admit that Mushammad had at least nine “wives” and two concubines. If you disagree to this travesty, why follow Muhammad? Most of you good Muslims also know that Muhammad “married” Aisha when the child was six years old. If you disagree with this doctrine, why follow Muhammad? Muhammad had sex with Aisha when the child was “nine” years old, actually eight years and nine months old if you follow the solar calendar. The Muslims used the lunar calendar. That’s the reason that Aisha was “nine” years old. You know as well as I do that for a man 52 years old having sex with a child of “nine” constitutes rape of a child. If you agree that Muhammad was some kind of a pervert, why follow Muhammad? Also, Muhammad having that many “wives” and concubines should make him some kind of a whoremonger, don’t you think? Be honest. So why not follow a better person like Jesus Christ. Again, I suggest you read the New Testament and then the Qur’an, and compare.

  20. Epic Stache
    October 5, 2010 at 3:26 pm

    September 11, 2011 is Worldwide Burn a Koran Day.

    On this day people throughout the world will burn Korans.

    Until then, people worldwide will plan to burn Korans,
    they will publicize their intent to burn Korans,
    they will encourage others to burn Korans, and
    they will defend the right of all people to burn Korans.

    Happy Worldwide Burn a Koran Day!

    • October 5, 2010 at 4:49 pm

      Too bad it is nearly a year to it. Every day should be a burn a koran day or insult a mussie day.

      • October 5, 2010 at 8:22 pm

        There’s one coming sooner than that. Check my site later this month for an announcement.

  21. Tom
    October 5, 2010 at 4:19 pm

    It seems all of the Islamic ‘outreach’ organizations are working to soften up areas that are predominantly Christian to get their foot in the door for full fledged ‘Islamization’.
    I see none of these organizations trying to promote ‘understanding and peace’ where Christians are being attacked, beaten and murdered around the world.
    I only see them in areas where Muslims are ‘oppressed’ by not being allowed to wear hats at work or where the employer won’t install foot washers.
    I’ll believe these ‘moderate’ outreach groups when they’re working both sides of the fence.

  22. Mr. Max
    October 5, 2010 at 8:00 pm

    U.S. states are just starting to get with it, such as Tennessee and Louisiana and their no foreign law in conflict with state constitutional rights. However these laws are left up to courts to interpret; the door is not shut on Sharia. A state constitutional amendment such as “Islamic Sharia law shall have no legal standing in (state). No public funds shall be used to promote or comply with Islamic Sharia law in (state).” This would shut the door and make state safe from Sharia. What think you?

  23. desertscout
    October 6, 2010 at 7:38 am

    “… Anti Semitic book and DVD named ‘Dajjal’ published by another Islamist militancy group named Hizb-Ut-Towhid was also stopped from open circulation in Bangladesh due to efforts of Blitz….”

    *********

    In Islamic eschatology, the two witnesses spoken of in Rev. 11 will be considered a type ‘dajjal’ … ”

    http://www.informationdelight.info/encyclopedia/entry/Islamic_eschatology

    …Jesus will physically return to this world, and together with the Mahdi will end all wars, and usher in an era of peace. The messianic era comes after Jesus kills Ad-Dajjal , the Antichrist figure in Islam, and defeats his followers. …’

    Muslims are masters at reworking stories with their own slant of interpretation added (usually wrong). Of course, there are no valid reasons for the revising of the stories other than ‘Mo’ said the previous tellers got it all wrong, and he was setting the record straight.

    One of the most laughable claims by ‘Muslim scholars’ is that Isa (Yeshua) foretold the coming of Muhammad. An example from an Islamic site is below.

    http://www.islam.tc/prophecies/jesus.html

    “…
    Hadhrat Isa (A.S.) himself told of the coming of Prophet Muhammad (Peace be upon him). In the Bible, Jesus (A.S.) says,

    If you love me, Keep my commandments. And I will pray to the Father and He shall give you another comforter that he may abide with you forever.
    (Bible, John 14-15/16)

    But when the comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the spirit of Truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me, and he also shall bear witness, because ye have been with me from the beginning. (Bible, John 15-26/27)

    I have yet many things to say unto you, but you cannot bear them now. How be it when he, the spirit of Truth will come, he will guide you into all truth, for he shall speak not of himself, but whatsoever he shall hear, that he shall speak, and he will show you things to come. He shall glorify me, for he shall receive of mine, and he shall show it unto you. (Bible, John 16-12/14)

    Ulema (learned scholars in Islam) have said that the person who is described by Hadhrat Isa (A.S.) to come after him – in the above verse – does not comply with any other person but Prophet Muhammad (Peace be upon him).

    In this case, the “comforter” he mentions is none other than Prophet Muhammad (Peace be upon him) and his laws and way of life (Shariah) and Book (Holy Qur’an) are those that Hadhrat Isa (A.S.) asks his followers to abide by. …”

    *******

    Muhammad, a comforter??? Some ‘comforter;’ eh??? Tell that to the Jews of qurayza!!! Once again; what was the ‘unpardonable sin??? The whole symbolism of the Feast of Pentacost is lost on these so called ‘ulema,’ who claim that xtians (and the Jewish sages as well) have changed the words in the Torah/Tanach & Bible and especially these examples by deleting the references to Muhammad. I didn’t think that one could delete what was never there in the first place. This is the kind of tripe that ‘Mo’ tried to pull on the Jews in Arabia by trying to reveal his interpretation of their stories from the Torah/Tanach. The Jews believed he was disturbed, or worse (and we all know what he did to them later). Muslims still don’t understand the symbolism of the Jewish feasts; so if Islam justs eliminates all Jews and other kafirs in the world, they can convince the rest of the world that their whacked out tales are the real deal. The truth is that their outright lies and fabrications of the facts are ‘tickling the ears’ of one billion plus on this planet. Islam is a very strong demonic delusion, and it is very real and very deadly to the body, mind, and spirit!!! The bitter truth about ‘moderate Islam’ is that the so called ‘moderates’ have fallen under the same demonic delusions that the ‘radicals’ are spouting on a daily basis. Methinks that ‘moderates’ are really ‘radicals in waiting,’ a la Major Nidal Hasan.

  24. Marlene
    October 7, 2010 at 4:15 pm

    Getting back to Shoaib Choudhury, this man is a plagiarist, a liar, and a thief. He holds himself out to be a friend of the West but he is only interested in putting Western money in his pocket. Do you know that he was an Islamist for many years before he became an anti-Islamist, and he was even a thief for his Islamist employer? That is probably why he switched sides and may have arranged for his historic arrest while trying to travel to Israel. That way, he covered up the theft charges against him and got arrested for something that looks heroic.

    • admin
      October 7, 2010 at 9:05 pm

      Hi Marlene,
      He is pro-Sharia. So how does that make him an anti-Islamist?

      Thanks.

      • Marlene
        October 8, 2010 at 7:00 am

        The contradiction with SC is that he explicitly holds himself out to be anti-sharia and anti-Islamism. Yet, as you notice, he does not renounce the many aggressive verses in the Koran. Nor has he explained how he went from working for many years for the Islamist newspaper Inquilab to become an anti-Islamist via his newspaper articles. The only public event that intervened between the two sides he took was that he was arrested for allegedly stealing from his Islamist employer. These events – and his frequent, almost incessant plagiarims – have been written about by Bangladeshi bloggers. So just who he is and what he stands for have been a source of concern to his countrymen.

        • admin
          October 8, 2010 at 11:52 am

          My mistake, I thought you were talking about that guy in the UK. As for SC, I do not trust him at all.

  25. Marlene
    October 9, 2010 at 6:01 am

    The author was very likely Mr. Choudhury himself. He has a habit of inventing persona through which to write. His fellow Bangladeshis discovered that when they realized they themselves were being plagiarized by an invented female character called Sunita Paul. There was quite a scandal about this in the Bangladesh blogosphere, and here is just one example: http://www.thedailystar.net/newDesign/news-details.php?nid=83625. Once one realizes how pervasive Choudhury’s plagiarism is, it is hard not to see the many puff pieces the Blitz runs under other peoples’ names as really Choudhury praising himself. Where did this man go to journalism school? Stealing other peoples’ words and making undocumented claims is unethical! And yet he is held up as a hero. Disgusting.

    • October 9, 2010 at 7:23 am

      LOL! What a kook! I should check if he had the nerve to publish my comment. If not, I’ll make a better one! ;-)

    • admin
      October 9, 2010 at 1:08 pm

      I believe it was him, and even if he did not write it, he is the editor.

  26. admin
    October 9, 2010 at 1:07 pm

    What a ridiculous article, and like you said not accurate. Only a lowlife would bring up family members.

  27. admin
    October 9, 2010 at 1:10 pm

    For the record I can still post on my old site, and just did. He really should not make things up.

    • October 9, 2010 at 5:37 pm

      Why not do a hatchet job on it? A nice article about him and his socks. Put it on both sites too.

  28. Marlene
    October 9, 2010 at 7:46 pm

    If you want to take on SC’s plagiarizing, here are more resources for you:

    http://www.docstrangelove.com/2009/04/14/sunita-paul-continues-to-plagiarize/

    1. http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/view/97324 – Paras 2-8 are copied from here (including the typo in para 4): http://www.independent-bangladesh.com/2009040510809/country/bcl-central-leaders-resign-en-masse.html. the rest is a (cited) copy paste of a daily star editorial.

    2. http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/view/97352 – paras 2-4 are from here (with all typos intact): http://www.breakingnewsonline.net/2009/04/india-tv-opinion-poll-bjp-to-emerge-as.html. a lot more is from here: http://www.ummid.com/general_elections_2009/bjp_appeases_muslims.htm. some more from: http://www.indiadaily.com/editorial/2489.asp. and the rest is again from an op ed in the daily star.

    3. http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/view/58898 – a large part from here: http://tokyo.usembassy.gov/e/p/tp-20080123-02.html

    These are taken from a BD blog where his own countrymen are fed up with his dishonesty and wild statements.

    • admin
      October 9, 2010 at 8:30 pm

      Seems there is a lot of controversy around him.

      Thanks for the info!

  29. Ray
    October 24, 2010 at 10:41 pm

    What an assholish exchange you had with this Choudary fellow. Your whole conversation with him is riddled with taunts.
    Things like this:
    “Do you not care to continue this conversation?” “I am just curious…who, you?”
    What’s the excuse for smirking behaviour like this? If it’s clear Islam is a power-orientated religion then you’ve got more in common with its adherents then you realise with the way you were talking.

    Just…if you want to convince someone, treat them like a human, no superiority complex, no speaking down.

    • admin
      October 25, 2010 at 3:14 pm

      Those a straight questions, if you do not like straight talk you are definitely on the wrong site.

      “If” it is clear? You saying that, and being more concerned with me over everything else in the article says a lot.

      Sorry, you are mistaken. I do not want to subjugate the world under a set of barbaric religious laws.

      Ray said: “Just…if you want to convince someone, treat them like a human, no superiority complex, no speaking down.”

      You might want to look at your first sentence, before you start preaching to me.

  30. Ray
    October 26, 2010 at 6:03 pm

    Hello. Calling it an assholish exchange was direct, and avoids the underhandedness of mocking and superiority through talking down, talking as if the other person is a child. This is the thing I noticed about your exchange. It was honest reaction from me, I think.

    The ‘If’ is rhetorical, this is the way I’ve seen sentences constructed and it sounded more natural, the purpose is to establish a link so I think you can lead with a certainty or near certainty.

    Yeah I’m sorry that was..perverse to draw that similarity especially since your putting your time and effort into a blog in direct opposition and I’m not. I wanted to make it have more impact, I should have thought of a better way.

    As far as directness goes, the fellow before, just I have no idea what you were trying to do. This person wasn’t your enemy at all, more an ally already. But you start off with attack after attack then move on to mocking. I can just imagine it going through his mind “I give up trying to do anything here, let’s leave the terrorists and right-wingers to kill each other.” If you were trying to convince him to become non-muslim or change his position you don’t mock him by taking the stance fundamentalist muslims have, you could just have easily asked him directly and cleanly how he planned on convincing other muslims. He actually says quite alot when he says he thinks the koran has been tampered with by humans, more than many christians would say of their own.

    I remember a show, one the contestants was talking to the other as if she were a complete moron, a child, and even though she was a pretty efficient businesswoman she was stuttering away in shock. It’s an effective way to sneak in power. That was a laugh in the show but other things are more serious.

    Can I show you something? The website http://www.eqi.org
    It deals with parent’s verbal/emotional abuse of children and wifebeating. Not that these things apply to you but if you read you’ll see why the site would be useful to practically everyone on the planet. I was reading Ali Sina and he was talking about how children growing up in these countries, all they ever know is abuse, you have muslims they’re only ever at your throat or at your feet.
    This is why among other things the beating up and abuse of maids in middle-eastern countries is prolific. So this site is very relevant actually to the situation.

    One of the links in the site is to the psychologist Alice Miller who has some informative, direct ideas. Hitler was beaten as a child, many people probably could have guessed that, but Alice has her own unique take on the process whereby Hitler became a monster and so many Germans were “willing executioners”. Osama bin Laden was part of family of 50 children, 22 wives, and close to the youngest. In an abusive family, abuse tends to flow downward, the older children will compensate for the own abuse they suffer by setting/gaining power over, ordering, controlling, belittling, demeaning, embarrassing etc anyone younger than them. So all his life growing up he would have suffered emotional abuse.

    All of this is one of the basis’ of the chain that’s occuring, so I hope you read the site, and you’ll understand more and why I called you out on this as well. Well, cheers now, bye.

    • admin
      October 26, 2010 at 6:37 pm

      Ray,
      Those were direct questions, and please save the Muslim victim card for somewhere else. There was also an earlier conversation, and he was not exactly Mr. Friendly. My point was that Islam is not going to reform, and “moderate” Muslims are not coming to the rescue. It is all a fantasy based on nothing but wishful thinking. Him not being able to answer those questions says it all. I will continue to do what I think is best.

      Take care.

      • Ray
        October 26, 2010 at 10:36 pm

        I wouldn’t call Hitler a victim for example but it’s still possible and desirable to have an understanding of the processes of what has occurred.

        There was a psychologist describing how a kid forgot to feed his father’s dogs, his father stripped him naked and put him in the pen with the dogs with a chain and collar around his neck. His mother and sister were watching in the house, crying but didn’t intervene. The kid killed the dogs at some point later and when he grew up he became a serial rapist. The psychologist was talking about how the man became a rapist to avenge the humiliation that his mother and sister witnessed which became his directed rage towards women.

        I wouldn’t have sympathy for the rapist, but for the kid yeah. You have respect for Ali Sina of faithfreedom.org? He’s a complete enemy of Islam but also has this understanding of the processes of abuse like I described before. An understanding of why Islam is so fertile at recruiting and why middle-eastern countries are so fucked up.

        The reason I said something was that your abuse of the Choudary fellow seemed reminiscent of this type of world, power for power’s sake. Well I don’t know what he said to you before, but in what you posted he doesn’t abuse you really at all but you abuse him through mocking, through – I don’t know what the word for this is – hostile directness, like an angry person will be very direct, short, hostile.

        The conversation seemed much more about aggression and gaining power than helping someone see the light that no reformation is possible. Because you injected abusive things like mocking into there it creates something else.

        Well I gotta think about something else. Cheers, bye

        This is an analysis of Mad Men character Betty Draper, who’s become an abusive mother in the show. Just to show you that these ideas are out there in more mainstream.
        http://tigerbeatdown.com/2010/10/18/no-ones-ever-on-your-side-betty-draper-francis-still-needs-your-love/

        • admin
          October 27, 2010 at 3:27 am

          Listen Ray, abuse? Grow a spine. I don’t jump through hoops for the oversensitive of the world. I already told you there was a prior conversation, and I spoke to him like he spoke to me. Here is the deal, I don’t want or need your advice.

          END OF CONVERSATION.

          • Ra y
            October 28, 2010 at 7:14 am

            Actually I’m deeply regretful and embarrassed about what I said. This place is a nuthouse and I’d probably go crazy aggressive if I was here as well.

            I don’t know what the hell I’m doing, I shouldn’t be harassing you.

            I wish you…all the fortitude in the world in keeping your mental orientation intact.

            Cheers, bye

          • admin
            October 28, 2010 at 7:18 am

            This place is full of people who are sick of Islam. I do not blame them one bit.

            Take care.

  31. Marlene
    October 27, 2010 at 4:40 pm

    Returning to the original discussion, can Islam change, I want to say that there are many sincere efforts among Muslims to reform the practice of their religion. As to the immutability of the Koran, one pragmatic approach is to ignore the hateful aspects of the Koran and practice a common sense approach to life. That means practicing peacefulness, gender equality, and critical thinking. Here is just one sampling of reform efforts: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberal_movements_within_Islam. Muslims Against Sharia had a good website, IMO. They took responsibility for the wicked verses of the Koran and said, No More! I guess they got hacked though because they are no longer up. That brings me to another point. The question should not be, Can moderate Muslims save us, because they are too few and too weak to do much now. But rather the question should be, Do reform minded Muslims exist at all, to what extent are they sincere and trustworthy, and what can non-Muslims do to encourage them so they can become a stronger presence in the world?

    • admin
      October 27, 2010 at 4:52 pm

      Hi Marlene,

      No offense but Muslims Against Sharia is in a fantasy world if they think they are going to rewrite the Koran, and anyone will care. They are led by a guy who verbally abuses people across the Internet when they question them. He is not peaceful.

      On MAS…..

      http://archive.frontpagemag.com/readArticle.aspx?ARTID=30658

      • Marlene
        October 27, 2010 at 7:58 pm

        Where in that article you reference is Khalim Massoud verbally abusive? He takes a terrific beating from the other symposium participants and answers them kindly. Were you thinking of Thomas Haidon who directly followed Massoud’s presentation? He was the nastiest of the lot. Massoud’s underlying assumption that the Koran is NOT a perfect, God given book and can be rearranged by humans seems to me the easiest way to get to the goal of removing the hateful verses.

        • admin
          October 27, 2010 at 8:07 pm

          He was not in that article, but I have seen him do it over and over. Here is one example.

          Reform Islam….

          http://realmofthesphinx.wordpress.com/2009/03/10/so-who-are-these-muslims-against-sharia/

          It is not going to happen because according to Islamic Law to deny a Koran verse is to apostate from Islam. Khalim has been talking about rewriting the Koran for years. But he never does it. It is a bit odd that he hangs around non-Muslim sites all the time, yet I see him make no effort to get Muslim support. Ali Sina says it is all a con to try and get people to believe that some form of “moderate” Islam is coming to the rescue. It is not happening.

        • Marlene
          October 28, 2010 at 8:03 am

          OK, Massoud’s language and attitude are terrible on that blog you mentioned. There’s a photo posted and he looks like a young guy. So maybe he’s not the one to make much of a change for the better. That’s not to say that Muslims can’t or won’t do something to deal with the terrible aspects of their religion. If Islam is not eventually reformed, think about the consequences: a fast growing population that is increasingly poor, ruled by dictators, and dangerous to non-Muslims. OR, blanket reprisals from the West, like killing a whole bunch of them. Both of these outcomes are bad. What is better is to encourage Muslim reformers, BUT NOT AS A SUBSTITUTE for doing what we need to do to protect ourselves from Islamic infiltration and terrorist attacks. That is where we need to put the bulk of our energies.

          • admin
            October 28, 2010 at 8:12 am

            Hi Marlene,
            The problem is that the Koran states that man cannot change its words.

            010.064
            YUSUFALI: For them are glad tidings, in the life of the present and in the Hereafter; no change can there be in the words of Allah. This is indeed the supreme felicity.

            It also states that Mohammad was the last prophet.

            033.040
            YUSUFALI: Muhammad is not the father of any of your men, but (he is) the Messenger of Allah, and the Seal of the Prophets: and Allah has full knowledge of all things.

            Like you said, we do need to protect ourselves. We must end Muslim immigration, otherwise I do not see us winning this war.

          • Marlene
            October 28, 2010 at 8:54 am

            Yes, of course, Muslims have a hard task in front of them because of the supposed immutability of the Koran. But Muslims jump over the dictates of the Koran already. For example, the further away Muslim countries are from Saudi Arabia, the source and safeguard of Islamic ‘purity,’the more lax they are in the way they live out their Islam, mixing it with indigenous beliefs and practices, as in South East Asia and South Western Africa. They collectively create another Muslim reality. It can be done. This trend should be encouraged by non-Muslims.

          • admin
            October 28, 2010 at 2:01 pm

            Non-Muslims are persecuted in those countries as well, and the Islamic world is getting stricter and stricter. I respectfully disagree with you, and I don’t see it happening. One example of this is Jasser, he has no real following of Muslims, or respect in the Islamic world. Just like Muslims Against Sharia. I think things are going to get worse, much worse. I could see civil wars breaking out across Europe because of Muslim immigration.

  32. eib
    October 28, 2010 at 10:08 am

    As Westerners, we faced and dealt with all these problems between the 14th to the 18th centuries.
    OUr freedom did not come to us.
    We earned it.
    Muslims have worked for no such freedom.
    Their struggle is just beginning.

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