Alan Colmes has Refused to Debate me on Islam

Mr. Colmes,

I just saw a video where you stated that there is no such thing as radical Islam, and also that Islam is not the problem. Do you care to back your statement up in a debate? If so befriend me, and head to my wall.

My Challenge to Alan Colmes

Thanks,

Christopher

Here is our exchange on Facebook today.

Alan Colmes June 4 at 5:19pm thanks Christopher.
I’m also here:

Christopher Logan June 4 at 5:27pm Hi Alan,
Did you receive my email about your comments on Islam?

Chris

Alan Colmes June 4 at 5:30pm not sure, Chris…I have get so many

Christopher Logan June 4 at 6:19pm OK, here is it again.

My Challenge to Alan Colmes

Alan Colmes June 4 at 6:22pm thanks for the offer…. I’ve said what I’ve wanted to say about it.
best wishes.

Christopher Logan June 4 at 6:53pm So you wish to remain purposely blind to serious threat. Making excuses for Islam only hurts our families future generations, as Muslims are looking to replace Western Civilization with Sharia Law.

Best,
Chris

Mr. Colmes has not responded to my last email to him. You would think that since he is a well known radio personality, he would actually want to back up his statements. We can now add him to the following list of these other known Islamic excuse makers, that have refused to debate me on Islam.

Ebrahim Moosa, associate professor of religion at Duke, Charles Kurzman, professor of sociology at UNC, and David Schanzer, an associate professor in Duke’s Sanford School of Public Policy and director of the Triangle Center on Terrorism and Homeland Security. Others being Professor Juan Cole, and Canadian Imam Syed Soharwardy. Apparently the truth does not matter, these days.

97 comments for “Alan Colmes has Refused to Debate me on Islam

  1. ashok
    June 4, 2010 at 7:31 pm

    :))
    Remain purposely blind to serious threat.

    luv this line

    • admin
      June 4, 2010 at 8:03 pm

      Thanks my friend.

    • Syed Soharwardy
      June 7, 2010 at 4:10 pm

      Hello, I do not remember when you challenged me for a debate on Islam. Can you please send me your invitation? I do not have any record of your invitation or challege. Lets debate. When are you availble? Thanks

      Syed Soharwardy

      • Syed Soharwardy
        June 7, 2010 at 4:19 pm

        Please send me your invitation on my email. I do not read your website. Today, accidently I found out that you have made a statement about me which is not true. Call me at 403-831-6330 OR email soharwardy@shaw.ca. Thanks

        • admin
          June 7, 2010 at 4:45 pm

          It was not untrue, a friend and I both sent you emails, your repsonded to his, and not mine.

          Here you go.

          http://loganswarning.com/2010/01/10/lying-imamsfatwa-against-terrorism-exposed/

        • admin
          June 7, 2010 at 4:53 pm

          Hello,

          I saw your comments on my site today. In the past a friend and I had emailed you at the time of your fatwa. You responded to his, and not mine. At the time you had made the following statement.

          “In fact, the constitutions of the United States and Canada are very close to the Islamic guiding principles of human rights and freedom. There is no conflict between the Islamic values of freedom and justice and the Canadian /US values of freedom and justice.”

          This statement is just not accurate, and I exposed it here.

          http://loganswarning.com/2010/01/10/lying-imamsfatwa-against-terrorism-exposed/

          When you can prove me wrong please let me know.

          Good day,

          Christopher

      • admin
        June 7, 2010 at 4:44 pm

        I did sent it to you in the past, and a friend also sent you an email as well. His you repsonded to, and mine you did not.

        Here is what I sent to you.

        http://loganswarning.com/2010/01/10/lying-imamsfatwa-against-terrorism-exposed/

        • Gary Rumain
          June 7, 2010 at 8:05 pm

          Looks like you’re heading for a fatwa of your own! ;-)

          • admin
            June 7, 2010 at 8:17 pm

            I tell you, this commenting system works much better. When you click on recent comments, it takes you right to it. Also no comments are automatically, being deleted.

          • admin
            June 7, 2010 at 8:21 pm

            Gary, please click on the link above, and see where he said that there is no contradication between Islam, and the US Constitution.

            So I pointed out some examples, that prove him wrong. I emailed him the link hours ago, and have not yet heard back.

          • Gary Rumain
            June 7, 2010 at 8:39 pm

            Hi Chris, yes, I read it. Either he’s a fool to think that or he’s spouting takiya.

            The comments work fine but there are two annoyances for me. It redraws the whole page again (ID uses AJAX methods to update inline). Not a big deal though.

            And the margin or padding around the comments is a bit too thick on the right and bottom.

            If you have access to the CSS code, I can tell you what to change to fix that. Although having a wider middle column on the page would solve that too (the comments can get narrow very quickly).

    • sam
      June 11, 2010 at 5:29 pm

      Alan Colmes is a decent man, and deserves Kudos for showing class for years of abuse at the hands of an obnoxious Hannity, who routinely talked over his head and over Alan Guests heads so people would not hear their responses, I am glad Alan refused you the right to scream over his head you ingnonimous pompous ass fool. Abraham’s oldest son was the leader of this religion, you are the son of the younger bastard son, and sarah was clever enough to call Isaac Abraham’s son and throw Abrahams wife hajira on the road to get a bastard claim to be the leader of the jews, it is no wonder Jewish relegion is a matriacal society if it was patrical you all would be the children of a bastard.
      Oh by the way how could their be a judio christian relegion when Christ is not accepted by jews and it is Ismail and Isaac who are brothers not Christ and Isaac?

      • admin
        June 11, 2010 at 5:37 pm

        Colmes is uniformed on Islam, and you have not refuted a thing that I have said about Islam. If you don’t like what you read here, do not come here. It is that simple.

        You are just another angry Muslim Sam.

        BTW, how do you “scream” over someone online?

    • ella bell
      August 27, 2010 at 11:04 am

      Qur’an (2:191-193) – “And slay them wherever ye find them, and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution [of Muslims] is worse than slaughter [of non-believers]…and fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is for Allah

  2. Nigsir Brown
    June 4, 2010 at 7:36 pm

    Alan Colmes is just a total maggot that would be digging through garbage cans if he didn’t have the chance to be associated with Hannity…

    • Gary Rumain
      June 4, 2010 at 9:54 pm

      Sure sounds like it!

      • admin
        June 4, 2010 at 9:56 pm

        Hey, where have you been? Lots of people here have been asking for you.

        I changed over to his commenting application, as the other on kept on deleting comments. Please let me know if you get an email alert from this one.

        • Gary Rumain
          June 4, 2010 at 10:04 pm

          Hi Chris, ID refused to reply and explain why they pulled my account, and took down the comments on my own site in the process, so I stopped using them.

          This appears to be the regular TurdPress commenting system (but it looks like the theme you use determines how it looks. I haven’t noticed that before). I don’t expect you’ll have too many problems with it.

          • admin
            June 4, 2010 at 10:11 pm

            Sorry to hear that, I stopped because comments kept on getting deleted without me deleting them. As long as the commenters get an email alert from here, I am fine with this. I get them, but I am not yet sure if only the adminstrator of the site gets them.

          • Gary Rumain
            June 4, 2010 at 11:31 pm

            I just had a look. I haven’t received an email yet.

          • Robin Shadowes
            June 5, 2010 at 2:08 pm

            I’ve had problems commenting on other turdpress blogs the last week or so, mostly swedish blogs and one danish. They all have turdpress in common. So I wonder what’s going on with turdpress at the moment?

          • Gary Rumain
            June 5, 2010 at 8:44 pm

            Hi Robin, its hard to say. The other ones I use that have TurdPress’ own commenting system seems to be OK.

            This one supports replies, which isn’t that common. I wonder if the methods are different.

      • Michael Elmore
        June 5, 2010 at 5:32 am

        Good to see you back, I thought maybe some muslim from the religion of peace might of caped your ass. I am trying to be funny but sadly it’s true. stay safe and maybe in the future you should have someone let people know if for some reason you are unable to post..elmore

        • Gary Rumain
          June 5, 2010 at 7:23 am

          I did email Chris but it doesn’t look like he got it.

          The arselifters won’t find me so easily anyway.

          • Robin Shadowes
            June 5, 2010 at 2:09 pm

            They’re too busy sniffing each others arses anyway… hehe!!

          • Gary Rumain
            June 5, 2010 at 8:45 pm

            As one troll already found out, I have an unlisted phone number ;-)

          • Robin Shadowes
            June 6, 2010 at 8:26 am

            Order haram-pizzas to his address … hehe!!

          • Robin Shadowes
            June 6, 2010 at 8:27 am

            Or inflatable lovers and dildos. Might be hard for him to explain to his wife/wives. :)

          • Gary Rumain
            June 7, 2010 at 7:00 am

            I’ll have to find out who it is first!

            Both ideas sound good though.

    • sam
      June 11, 2010 at 5:33 pm

      Maggots come from dirt, and dirt according to the reasonable lies in the mind of those who think dirty, Alan Colmes has never said an injurious word to anyone, while Hannity’s existence is based on putrid hatred of Muslims, blacks, Mexicans and Obama-in Gods eyes Alan Colmes is an angel and Hannity a hatemonger sharlatan who sucks energy from those he desiegns to degrade.

      • admin
        June 11, 2010 at 5:34 pm

        What is it that you want angry Sam? Colmes has his head in the sand, and it is no surprise that you support him. The voices against Islam will continue to rise.

      • admin
        June 11, 2010 at 6:02 pm

        Speaking out against illegal immigraiton is not a hatred of Mexicans. You are going to have to get some new propaganada Sam.

        • Gary Rumain
          June 11, 2010 at 8:00 pm

          He can’t. That’s all they’ve got.

  3. Kendra
    June 4, 2010 at 7:38 pm

    I would have been stunned if he accepted. There is no more debate in academia. There is no more debate for Leftists anywhere. First of all, they have no ability to see truth as absolute– it’s all opinion for them, so their opinion– EVEN WITHOUT KNOWLEDGE– is as valid as yours or mine– never mind we’ve spent years studying this.

    Also, they don’t want to bother with anyone who disagrees with their opinion which has no factual basis. . . that interferes with their agenda of silencing their opponents.

    • Gary Rumain
      June 4, 2010 at 9:55 pm

      There’s only one solution. Lambaste them until they have no credibility left.

      • admin
        June 4, 2010 at 9:57 pm

        Exactly, the false information that they are pushing needs to be exposed.

        • Gary Rumain
          June 4, 2010 at 10:05 pm

          Keep putting up articles about him. ;-)

        • sam
          June 11, 2010 at 5:35 pm

          Like for instance Mosad muders under false passports,Isreali borrowing of 10 billion USD per month to kill innocent beings whose land they want to steal, the five jews seen clapping when the world trade center blew up keep on plugging my friends and in the whole UN not a country came to play on team Isreal.

          • admin
            June 11, 2010 at 5:54 pm

            I though they were stealing $10 billion from you and your family? Now they are borrowing it? $10 billion a month? I don’t think so. Did your Imam tell you this? I doubt anyone on this site cares what the anti-American, anti-Israel, and pro-Islamic UN has to say about anything.

          • admin
            June 11, 2010 at 5:54 pm

            How many Muslims celebrated 911….

          • Gary Rumain
            June 11, 2010 at 8:01 pm

            Easier to ask how many didn’t celebrate.

  4. Anna
    June 4, 2010 at 7:56 pm

    It seems impossible for me to understand how Alan Colmes doesn’t see what a useful idiot he is being played for by the moslem crowd.
    If he could open up his ears to the truth, he could be a help to stem the tide of islam. I wonder what he would think of if he heard the youtube video below?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pxY7Q7CvQPQ&feature=player_embedded

    • admin
      June 4, 2010 at 8:04 pm

      How brilliant, could be a Muslim but probably a leftist. They just do not understand the fate of the world if the US goes down.

      • Gary Rumain
        June 4, 2010 at 9:57 pm

        Its what they ultimately want.

      • sam
        June 11, 2010 at 5:36 pm

        That is what the Jews want US to Belive, the fact is the reverse, if Isreal stops expansionism the US will be at peace to concentrate on its own affairs as opposed to wasting every US Presidents time and energy

        • admin
          June 11, 2010 at 5:44 pm

          That is absolutely not true, as Islam calls for perpetural war. Muslims attacked America long before we were in the Middle East. That was the Barbary Coast Wars. Do you know history, or are you just spreading pro-Islamic propaganda?

          During the year 1786 Thomas Jefferson and John Adams went to London to speak with Tripoli’s Ambassador Sidi Haji Abdrahaman. Jefferson and Adams asked the Ambassador
          how can they make war on nations that have done nothing to them? The Ambassador replied that “It was written in their Koran, that all nations which had not acknowledged the Prophet were sinners, whom it was the right and duty of the faithful to plunder and enslave; and that every Muslim who was slain in this warfare was sure to go to paradise. He said, also, that the man who was the first to board a vessel had one slave over and above his share, and that when they sprang to the deck of an enemy’s ship, every sailor held a dagger in each hand and a third in his mouth; which usually struck such terror into the foe that they cried out for quarter at once”.

    • Kendra
      June 4, 2010 at 11:24 pm

      I saw this video earlier but didn’t click on it. You know, Pat Condell’s video earlier today said he was “astonished but not surprised”. . . that’s exactly how I feel. I KNOW everything is upside down yet all of this still shocks me. Gee. :(

    • Gary Rumain
      June 4, 2010 at 11:34 pm

      That video is interesting. It looks to be an official IDF video. It appears they have their own YouTube channel.

      I wonder how long before the arselifters succeed in taking it down? Let’s hope they don’t because it will act as an effective tool to counter arselifter propaganda.

  5. Bill Kay
    June 4, 2010 at 9:03 pm

    Alan Colmes is a rediclous half wit worm. What do you get when you argue with ignorance , you get ignorant, so why waist the time trying to reason with Liberals , they simply do not have the brain power to cope, when faced with fact, they all play OSTRAGE.

    • Gary Rumain
      June 4, 2010 at 9:58 pm

      Or play the victim or race card.

      Gee, where have we heard that before?

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  7. Katie
    June 4, 2010 at 9:23 pm

    People like Colmes don’t understand that they are merely being used by muslims. Colmes doesn’t have the balls to debate you, Chris. He doesn’t understand islam and he doesn’t understand that people like you are defending the future of his kids (if he has any).

    • admin
      June 4, 2010 at 9:31 pm

      Thank you for the support Katie, and have a great weekend!

  8. suprkufrB
    June 5, 2010 at 3:02 am

    Colmes is perfectly correct in his assertion that there is no such thing as “radical islam.” Why? Because the term is a redundancy; islam is, even according to its own criteria, radical. The soft-spoken neighborhood taxi driver is no less culpable than is the wild-eyed suicide bomber. The mission statement of islam is to either subjugate or exterminate us kufr, “the sons of apes and pigs,” and these awful people will not be permitted to rest until they have done so.
    Fifty years ago, it was so easy for us to identify and resist the threat of international communism; what on earth has happened to our critical thinking in the interim? Islam is a menace twentyfold greater than communism ever was; under collectivism one could have at least survived by simply playing along with the game, and women were considered equals with men.
    Islam is the greatest threat to mankind which has ever existed. I beseech those in power to wake up to this glaringly obvious fact, and to forthwith initiate the repatriation of every last one of these treacherous people we have so foolishly permitted to infest our free, tolerant and democratric countries.
    Sleepers awake!

    • admin
      June 5, 2010 at 3:13 am

      Hi,
      I understand your point, but he did not mean it that way. He said Islam has nothing to do with the problems we are having today with Muslims. He was protecting Islam, and did not even want people criticizing it. Here is the video that shows what he said.

      My Challenge to Alan Colmes

      http://loganswarning.com/2010/06/03/my-challenge-to-alan-colmes/

      • Ann-Marie
        June 5, 2010 at 6:37 am

        And he is jewish?!!? Makes no sense whatsoever…

      • Robin Shadowes
        June 5, 2010 at 2:13 pm

        Maybe you should mail him and tell him that the arselifters consider him an ape?

        • Gary Rumain
          June 5, 2010 at 8:47 pm

          Actually, a species descended from apes and pigs.

          And probably some gecko mixed in there too! :-)

  9. Iain UK
    June 5, 2010 at 4:37 am

    We con the world. Very, very funny.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FOGG_osOoVg&feature=player_embedded

  10. BlackbootJack
    June 5, 2010 at 7:00 am

    Gary
    Colmes will keep dodging you. Hes the ultimate liberal.
    He is going to send you excuse after excuse.
    When all else fails, settle for a Q&A through the Facebook.

  11. Debbie
    June 5, 2010 at 11:05 am

    I’m not surprised that he declined your offer, debate isn’t a Liberal’s strong suit. He would rather stick by his belief and not be confronted with the truth.

    • Gary Rumain
      June 5, 2010 at 8:48 pm

      All the way to the chopping block.

  12. Dean Barrett
    June 5, 2010 at 7:17 pm

    Please keep up the good work!

    • admin
      June 6, 2010 at 6:55 pm

      You can count on that Mr. Barrett!

  13. samtheman
    June 6, 2010 at 7:24 am

    Chris, I posted this response on FreeRepublic:

    http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/2528207/posts?page=56#56

    • admin
      June 6, 2010 at 6:56 pm

      Hi Sam,

      FR is down right now, but I did reply earlier.

      Thank you.

  14. aerialcat
    June 6, 2010 at 11:46 am

    Colmes is a contrarian, he sits there with a silly grin and can make an argument against anything conservative or rational.

  15. admin
    June 6, 2010 at 6:57 pm

    I just want to say welcome to the site to all the newbies here. Thanks for dropping by.

    • aerialcat
      June 7, 2010 at 3:53 pm

      I feel as if I have recently been awakened from a long sleep, and the house is on fire… Thank you, for sounding the alarm.

  16. ronyvo
    June 7, 2010 at 2:06 pm

    Well Christopher, do you really expect those cowards to debate you?! They are only good at parking.
    This guy knows how strong your knowledge is in the Koran and hadiths. He has no chance to win.
    Fr.Zakaria Boutros is a very well known scholar is trying to depate any Muslim scholar, sheik or imam for the last 7 years at no avail.
    Also, Rasheed, an apostate Muslim to Christianity and many others.

  17. Ron Luce
    June 30, 2010 at 5:02 pm

    Why would Alan debate you about Islam?

    For starters, he probably doesn’t know who you are and he gets these kind of requests all the time.

    Secondly, he doesn’t pretend to be some great expert on Islam who can do formal debates. He’s a talk show host.

    Lastly, why are you so eager to debate a talk show host? Debate a real expert on Islam who can give you a real challenge.

    • admin
      June 30, 2010 at 5:24 pm

      Hi Ron,
      He is a talk show host who should be able to back up his comments. I have challenged so called experts, they run away as well.

      • Ron Luce
        June 30, 2010 at 6:32 pm

        I agree that a talk show host should be able to back-up what they say.

        I can understand his position — he gets all kinds of challenges to debate and his show is not even a debate format.

        Alan’s position on Islam is that the threat comes from a tiny wing of extreemists rather than the whole religion or every Muslim. (at least that’s what I’ve heard him say.)

        Isn’t that what most mainstream people think about Islam? It’s certainly my experience.

        • admin
          June 30, 2010 at 6:38 pm

          Pretty much, in the video he stated that what is happening today, has nothing to do with Islam. The leftist media in Europe, is protective of Islam as well.

          • Ron Luce
            June 30, 2010 at 7:12 pm

            Clearly the radicals who attacked us did so in the name of Islam.

            But the vast majority of Muslims had nothing to do with 911 or terrorism. Most Muslims are just regular people trying to live their lives the best they can.

            Sorry, I’m new to your blog so I don’t know where you are coming from on this issue. I’ll poke around on see what you believe so I don’t sound so naive!

  18. admin
    June 30, 2010 at 7:20 pm

    Welcome to the site Ron, the political aspect of Islam is an even bigger threat to Western Civilization, than pontential suicide bombers. Here and in Europe they are using our freedoms against us, to advance Islam. Slowly but surely they are changing the West, to suit Islam.

  19. Ron Luce
    June 30, 2010 at 7:32 pm

    I’m an Evangelical Christian and I try to advance Christianity.

    Lots of people don’t like it but, thank God and our founding fathers, we have the religious and civil freedoms to do so.

    Would you deny those same freedoms from Muslims?

    As long as people use words and other non-violent methods, I will defend any religions right to try and “expand” their religion. To me that’s a core American value which makes me love this country.

    I just which the Muslim countries would share that same value for freedom of religious expression. But I don’t want America to be like them!

    • admin
      June 30, 2010 at 7:41 pm

      Islam calls for the domination ,or death of Christians. The Islamic scriptures state that Jesus will come back as a Muslim, and destroy Christianity. Islam is also more of a political movement than a religion, and its laws contradict ours. Just because it has religion status, does not mean it is good for America. Do you follow Pastor Rod Parsley? He freely speaks against Islam. Defening ourselves from the Nazis did not make us like them.

      Islam 101: What Islam Really Says About Jesus and his Return

      http://loganswarning.com/2009/12/07/what-islam-really-says-about-jesus-and-his-return/

      • Ron Luce
        June 30, 2010 at 8:41 pm

        Chris,

        I’m well aware that Islam is a political system but surely you are also aware that Muslims are not in agreement of how this should work. The severity of religious control in society tends to split along conservative vs. liberal lines, like in Christian-majority countries.

        BTW, I’ve read some of your posts and perhaps my biggest disagreement with you is the way you assert things — “Islam says this. The Koran says that.”

        As an expert on Islam you surely know that there is diversity among Muslims — just like all world religions.

        The things you say are true for highly conservative, radial Muslims.

        But there are plenty of Muslims who would not agree with these violent and intolerant interpretations of Islam.

        I’m curious — have you ever lived in Muslim countries? Not just visited but lived with the people and become friends with them? If so, did you really find them the way you describe here on your blog?

        I’ve personally met radical Muslims who scared me the vast majority of Muslims I’ve know where just regular people.

        As a devout Christian, myself, I tended to get along better with the devout Muslims who I found to have more integrity who only did lip-service to their religion. (a generalization, I admit.)

        • admin
          June 30, 2010 at 8:51 pm

          The things I say about Sharia Law are from an Islamic Law manual approved by Al Azhar, the highest learning Islamic school in the world. The so called divisions amongst Muslims do not change what Islam is.

          Christians are suffering under Islamic rule across the Muslim world, that is the bottom line. Why are you defending a religion that is out to destroy yours?

          • Ron Luce
            July 9, 2010 at 8:16 am

            >> admin on June 30, 2010 at 8:51 pm

            >> The so called divisions amongst Muslims do not change what Islam is.

            Sure it does. Are you under the mis-impression that Islam is some monolithic thing? You couldn’t be more wrong about that.

            In my observation, it’s about like Christianity although they don’t have anyone like the Pope. More like Protestantism.

            As for your second question — I’m not defending Islam. I just think that the ninth commandment is an important one, and I refuse to bear false witness against anyone. I also believe in obeying Jesus’ commandment to love my enemy (and not all Muslims are our enemy!)

    • Gary Rumain
      June 30, 2010 at 8:03 pm

      Ron, you appear to be pig ignorant about pislam.

      Arselifters do not use non-violent methods.

      You’d better study how they operate. If they invite you to pislam, it is accompanied by a threat. You either convert or you fight. If you resist, you either die or pay jizya for the rest of your life.

      The satanic death cult does not offer any freedom to its followers or the non-believers. The sooner you understand this, the sooner you’ll realise you have to fight it as Jesus would have.

      • Ron Luce
        June 30, 2010 at 8:19 pm

        Wow Gary,

        You have so much negativity that I really can’t engage with you.

        But, I assure you, I am not ignorant of Islam or Muslims.

        I also know that Jesus commands us to love our enemies — and not all Muslims are our enemies.

        • admin
          June 30, 2010 at 8:36 pm

          Ron,
          Not all Germans were are our enemies, but it reaches a point in time where it does not matter. The West is falling to Islam, so it is now time to end all Muslim immigration.

          • admin
            June 30, 2010 at 8:48 pm

            Sharia Law discriminates against non-Muslims, women, apostates, and gays. The Koran does state what I say it does, and there is a major worldwide Sharia push happening, yet there is no major “moderate” Muslims movement against it.

            I don’t have to live in Islamic country to know what goes on in them, Islam dominates. Let me know of your magical plan to seperate the “good” Muslims from the bad. The world is waiting…

        • Gary Rumain
          July 1, 2010 at 11:38 pm

          I gather you’re referring to apostates.

  20. Ron Luce
    July 1, 2010 at 9:11 am

    >> I don’t have to live in Islamic country to know what goes on in them,

    No. You really do.

    This isn’t true just for Islamic studies, BTW. You can’t fully understand something from afar.

    I strongly affirm your desire to be an Islamic expert. I wish more Americans where.

    But you’ll never attain “expert” status if it’s all done at a distance — from news reports, scriptures, studying documents, etc.

    And why would you ever want that, anyway? As an Islam expert, you have the opportunity to immerse yourself in your subject of study. This is such a tremendous advantage over, lets say, historians.

    Can you imagine a oceanographer who stays in Kansas, even gets as PhD, but never makes the journey to see an ocean himself?

    That would be weird, right? And could you ever really consider that person an expert if he’s never even gotten his feet wet?

    I’m not saying this to put you down — but to encourage you.

    I think I can relate to you, a little, in this regard. As I was preparing to live overseas, I read books, read the Koran, took classes in Islam, visited some American mosques, etc.

    It was all valuable but it was no substitute for walking the streets of a Muslim country, talking to the mullahs, drinking tea in their homes, etc.

    By the way, living overseas didn’t invalidate everything I learned in books — but it put it in context. And context is super-important to understanding.

    Also importantly, is to experience SEVERAL Muslim countries. Rural Pakistan is VASTLY different than downtown Dubai, to pick an extreme example.

    You understand that Islam is political-cultural — so you probably understand that it is expressed VERY differently when the underlying culture changes — the Far East, South Asia, North Africa, etc. But even in the “center” of Islam — Saudia Arabia, Egypt, Iran, Islam is very different. But you can’t really understand that until you experience it.

    BTW, untraveled Muslims often don’t understand this, either.

    • admin
      July 1, 2010 at 9:22 am

      I understand Islam very well, and will debate anyone on it. You are the one that is looking to make excuses for a religion, that is the anti-thesis of Western Civiization. The bottom line is that non-Muslims are persecuted across the Islamic world, and they same will happen in the West if Islam is not stopped.

      • Ron Luce
        July 1, 2010 at 9:47 pm

        I’m not making excuses for the bad things that _SOME_ Muslims do.

        I, personally, have experienced threats by radical Muslims and it was traumatic. I’ve had friends and co-workers horribly victimized by violent radicals. So, my eyes are open to the evil that some Muslims do in the name of Islam. .

        But I have the sense-of-perspective to understand that the vast majority of Muslims are of no danger to me or my country.

        This is why I encourage you to make some Muslim friends and understand that most Muslims are just regular people.

        The radicals that have you fearing for your freedom are just a tiny little sliver.

        To change the subject a little: what makes you think America will adopt Sharia law anytime soon or even in the lives of your great-great-great-grand children?

        How many countries have it now? Five, six, maybe? Quite a few more have some elements of it in their civil law. While some are moving that way, it’s not exactly taking the world by storm.

        Sharia in America? Not a chance, IMHO.

        • admin
          July 1, 2010 at 10:00 pm

          Ron either you are an Islamic excuse maker, or a Muslim playing games. Either way it does not fly here. MOST Muslims are silent as Sharia advances across the West, and I know Muslims. Knowing Muslims does not change a thing. Fact is that Sharia is creeping into the West, and now I will speak out against it even more. The call to end their immigration will only get louder.

          End of conversation.

        • Istanbul_chick
          July 10, 2010 at 9:05 am

          Ron, I have lived in Istanbul for more than five years and I can say that without a doubt mohammadans are NOT like me or any other westerner or non-muslim Easterner I know.

          Sure, they’re just people like you and me but they are also masters of hypocrisy.

          They scream about the media’s abuse and lies about mohammadans yet they sling out the nastiest conspiracies about Jews and America like they are the Gospel truth.

          And, if your claims are true, you have lived among a variety of different mohammadan cultures including Turkish mohammadans you know Turkish mohammadans are the mildest.

          It is not possible to engage in true “inter-faith” dialogues with mohammadans because simply bringing up questionable ayets, suras and hadiths results in the mohammadan’s feathers getting ruffled. The degree of ruffling is different from mohammadan to mohammadan but the end is always the same: you are racist, bigoted and “islam is only true path!”

          To say that only a tiny minority of mohammadans are radicals is like saying only a tiny minority of nazis were radicals.

          And yes, I know they are kind and wonderful and hospitable to you. To your face. You wouldn’t be so protective of them if you know what they said about apologists like you behind your backs.

          The mohammadans here still think I am one of them. Once a mohammadan always a mohammadan. So, the born mohammadans, despite calling themselves humanists are really just mohammadans with a different mask.

          One “humanist” mohammadan said of apologists like you after she left our table: “She is useful because she will help show the English the real, true message from our prophet and not tell lies like the Jewish media. Inshallah she will put her feet on the true path one day.” This of course, after the “humanist” spent two hours feeding her the usual taqiyya about how islam is tolerant, islam gives equal rights to women, islam is peaceful…yada, yada…BARF It wasn’t the first time I’ve seen and heard a “humanist” mohammadan playing taqiyya and it won’t be the last.

          So, unlike you, an evangelical who openly admits you want to spread Christianity, mohammadans are not so honest.

          In, fact, it’s what many of us are calling creeping sharia. Honestly, as obnoxious as many of your co-religionists are they pose no real threat to me or my family. Sure, they’ve tried to change some of America’s secular laws but theythe democracy works and they usually get their teeth handed to them. But, honestly, in light of the violent passages in the Bible that mohammadans and apologists like you love to point out, when was the last time Christians, quoting Biblical scripture, stoned a woman to death, with support of the court, for adultery? Since when have Christian or Jewish women been forced, with threat of harsh punishment by law, to wear veils or wigs?

          These are just small issues. Don’t forget, islam is designed to control every aspect of believers’ AND non believers’ actions, deeds AND thoughts. islam controls all these things through shariah law.

          Don’t kid yourself. It’s not “radical” muslimahs who refuse to remove face covering veils for security purposes. They’re just those fuzzy-wuzzy normal mohammadans you and others like you keep celebrating.

          How did Aesop’s crow drink the water from the pitcher? One small stone at a time.

          I will bet you donuts to dollars that when push comes to shove and the people have a choice of sharia or no sharia your normal, just people like you and me, mohammadans will vote for sharia.

          I really don’t care how they live their lives in mohammadan lands. I honestly don’t shed a tear when some mohammadan female in Iran gets stoned or hung for adultary. It’s the bed they made they have to lie in it and I know, those same dead mohammadan women, if they had been given a chance to live in a western country would have tried to live like they did in Iran. They don’t want to leave islam. I say okay but don’t bring it to the west.

          Let me ask you this: Would you say that people who read Mein Kampf and adored Hitler were just normal people who want to live their lives like you and me and only a small minority are raving psychopaths? Or he is just a “cultural nazi.” “He was born a nazi because his parents are nazis but he doesn’t practice.”

          Why are nazis different than mohammadans? nazis rever hitler and mohammadans revere mohammad. What’s the difference. Just because one claimed he was talking to God’s angel Gabriel?

          And yes, Jesus did tell us to love our enemies as we love ourselves. He did not, however, tell us to hop into bed with the devil and show him how much we love him.

      • Ron Luce
        July 1, 2010 at 10:00 pm

        Oh, one more point: why are you so sure you understand Islam?

        There are Muslims who scour the bible for violent passages, read old speeches by long-dead popes, read horrible news articles about the Christian west, etc. etc. etc.

        But keep themselves isolated from Christianity in downtown Jeddah or Teharan, never getting into a church, experiencing the Christian west or personally knowing any Christians.

        They confidently blog and preach about

        the evils and threats of Christianity. These anti-Christian Muslims sincerely believe they have Christians and Christianity all-figured-out.

        But they really don’t.

        How do you know you aren’t like them, but in reverse?

        • admin
          July 1, 2010 at 10:03 pm

          What I know about Islam is backed up by the Koran, scholars Bukhari, Muslim, and those at Al Azhar. You are not going to shake my confidence, or silence me. Take the game somewhere else.

          • Ron Luce
            July 9, 2010 at 8:44 am

            I have no intention (or means!) of silencing you… you are the one who is eager to debate.

            I’m more interesting in dialog.

            There is a huge problem with using the Koran as your authority. It’s the same problem we Christians have — you can use it to “prove” whatever you want.

            The Hadith is even worse! Like our Christian pseudopigrapha.

            The Muslim radicals and – ironically – the anti-Muslims take the worst out of the Koran.

            Other Muslims use their scriptures to make themselves better human beings.

            Most Muslims (just like most Christians!) very rarely study their scriptures and have little idea of what’s in there.

            This is the kind of understanding you won’t get unless you actually go meet some Muslims.

            I ask you again — why wouldn’t you want to go to some Muslims countries and get to know some Muslims?

            I’m not even suggesting that it would change your mind about Islam — but I think it might give you a sense of perspective you lack now.

  21. admin
    July 12, 2010 at 4:23 am

    Ron,
    Islam calls for the domination of non-Muslims. It does not matter if it is Sunnis, or Shiites, and all you are doing is defending Islam. No buyers here.

  22. admin
    July 12, 2010 at 10:35 pm

    Ron who claims he is a Christian, comes up with some real winners this time.
    1. OK, I will not use the Koran when I point out just how bad Islam is. You really have me fooled here. How many times do I have to tell you that I am not religious?
    2. When there is a problem that is where the focus belongs.
    3. I know Muslims, and it changes nothing. The pro-Sharia movement continues.
    4. I have a clear perspective on the Islamic movement, it continues to advance.
    5. You are most likely another game playing Muslim, as your only goal here is to protect the Islamic movement. Your mission has failed, I will speak out more now.

  23. Ed
    July 21, 2010 at 2:25 pm

    Ron evinces little grasp of Christianity. In particular, his reference to a Christian ‘pseudopigrapha’ sounds good, but it’s an oxymoron and ablunder made by many. I can construct sermons using Melville’s Moby Dick, but that does not confer scriptural status on Melville. There is also the confusion of ‘Christian’ with christian. It’s a problem we have there. ‘Christians’ read scripture and study the Word of God constantly, and have a profound understanding of what is there. This, opposed to those how dash off to church weekly of monthly, return home and go back to business as usual, and never give a thought to where that old Bible might be stored. Trust me, Ron…being baptised as an infant, going to church or mass on occasion or daily even, does not make anyone Christian. But please don’t make the mistake of lumping christians in with Christians.
    As far as opposing Islam’s encroachment here in the US, even friends of mine who are devout atheists are ahead of the curve on this one. Islam is anti-light, anti-learning, and anti-life. It is not compatible with Western civilization. Islam is a real religion, ie, made up by men. Christianity is not, it is God’s Word. I’m sorry if you don’t see the distinction.

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