As most of you know I am not religious, but one of my goals is to unite members of all other religions and Atheists against Islam. Christians are the majority in America and we will need a loud voice from them to win this war. There are numerous articles on this site about Islam cuddling Churches, and yesterday an Islam supporting Reverend left this us the following comment:
Reverend Michael D. Rasicci of the Calvary Episcopal Church 222 S. Batavia Ave, Batavia, IL 60510-2564 said:
Nearly 25 years ago, depending on who’s telling the story, the Batavia, IL Islamic community was invited to use a large, partially unfinished room in the basement of the education wing of Calvary Episcopal Church, Batavia, in the Diocese of Chicago. When the community grew large enough that they could construct their own mosque, one group left to do so, but some of the originals remained behind and continue to this day to have their mosque in the basement far at the opposite end of the building from the church. There has never been any syncretistic worship, nor will there ever be, as long as I am the Rector. The relationship proved very important, I am told, after September 11, 2001, for the community as a whole. We have had a cordial and respectful relationship with them, and have been privileged to host delegations of Islamic visitors in a program designed by the Department of State. They have their services on Fridays, and some of the men come nightly for prayers, entering through the usual door, going down the stairs, and proceeding to the far south end of the building. There has never been a problem, except an occasional misunderstanding concerning use of other space in the vicinity of the mosque, and that because of the children not cleaning up after themselves. I was asked not long ago to address the community about the Resurrection of Jesus Christ. A time has not been set, but I will do so. They will not accept it, but they need to hear it. Neither we nor they proselytize. The situation I inherited when I arrived on the scene as Rector in 2002 has been a very good one, and has fostered a different view of Islam, than that which is usually portrayed. If it were different, we would have parted company long before my arrival. It is possible to be respectful and welcoming without capitulating to them. As for Blessed John Paul II kissing a Q’uran, perhaps one must see it as a sign of respect for the people being visited, albeit over the top.
My response to the Reverend is the following:
Reverend,
You said: “has fostered a different view of Islam”. In other words you have admittedly placed yourself in a world of denial. Islam calls for the dominance of Christians, and the ultimate destruction of Christianity. Do you really believe the God of Christianity wants such a religion promoted in Church? Do you think Jesus would have supported Mohammad the rapist? Muslims are on a worldwide Sharia movement and here you are helping them, by sending out the message that Islam is not a threat to Christians. Do you want your future generations to be forced to live under Sharia Law? Have you even thought about that?
BTW, you continually pointing out that the Mosque is “far” away in the basement, does not make it right. It is still Church property. YOU did capitulate to them. What you are allowing is the equivalent of Jews allowing Nazis to set up shop in a Synagogue. You are helping the religion/ideology of the enemy advance, I urge you to rethink your position. Thank you.
The Reverend can be reached here. 630-879-3378 ext. 302 Please be respectful. Thank you.
When I first read this post, I was wondering if Reverend Rasicci’s intent was to attempt to evangelize the Islamic community. Since the ‘mosque’ has been there for nearly twenty five years, and since Reverend Rasicci has been there since 2002; and only now is considering ‘addressing’ the same Islamic community that has had a mosque in the basement of the Lutheran facilities, it does not appear that any outreach or evangelism was the real objective. As he wrote “ … Neither we nor they proselytize. … “!!!
I also wonder if Rev. Rasicci understands that the pagan deity of Islam is not the same as the Deity of the Sinai Covenant? Perhaps he believes the Islamic deception that claims that the Islamic allah is the same as the Jewish (and by extension, the Xtian) Adonai. Jews were warned about participating in paganism, which many time lead to their downfall and dispersion. Rav Shaul constantly warned the goyim to eschew their former pagan practices and to pursue the truth that he preached to them.
2 Cor. 6
6:14 Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?
6:15 And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel?
6:16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
6:17 Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you.
6:18 And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty
Another statement by Rev. Rasicci “ … but some of the originals remained behind and continue to this day to have their mosque in the basement … “ begs the question; why??? Why would a good shepherd allow the wolves (in sheep’s clothing) so close to his flock??? I know that Rev Rasicci has sometime in the past read Shaul’s admonition in 2 Cor. 6. I would hope that Rev Rasicci doesn’t covet the praises of men, or the ‘Department of State’ over the spiritual safety and welfare of his flock. Then again, the ‘flock’ may be part of the overall problem as well. So maybe this is not really a reconcilable issue with this particular congregation?
Many on this forum have educated themselves about the dangers of the deceptive practices and false claims of Islam, however, other secular people as well as those of a religious leaning may not even care. I have always thought that some of the aims of this forum have been to warn and educate about the inherent dangers of Islam. In this case, we may not be able to do any better than that.
AWESOME!!!
AMEN…God be with us.
AWESOME TIMES TWO
Islam does not negotiate.
Islam takes, conquers, occupies and oppresses.
Reverend Rasicci, you have not read your history, and you will pay a dear price for your refusal to learn and reflect with the use of reason.
Reverend Rasicci apparently doesnt know or care about the Quran and Hadith that apply to “taqyyia, and kitman”….Reverend, I suggest you step out of the FOG you are in and learn the truths about Islam and one way to do so would be to Visit you tube a watch “How to debate and frustrate an Infidel”, then return here and tell us you feel the same as you did before…
Wow!! I don’t even need to comment!! Desert Scout and eib took care of it better than I can!!
You cannot peacefully coexist with an ideology whose pinnacle focus is your destruction. Thank you Christopher for your never ending and deliberate work to educate the infidels!
Good post & amen on the comment re 2nd Cor 6. However I can never Tweet your posts because your URLs are always too long. Make them shorter so they can be tweeted.
It is not the Resurrection, but rather the Incarnation, which the reverend should be preaching and he should remember that the Church’s commission is to preach the Gospel. It is not the ‘business’ of the Church (of whatever denomination) to ‘get along’ with false belief; to do so is to betray Christ and the Gospel.
Welcome to the site!
Yes. The recognition of the Incarnation is also vital, because it is one of the scriptural bases for the Blessed Trinity.
To believe in it is to believe that Jesus was indeed the substance of God.
And, of course, it is this belief that Muslims find most offensive, but is absolutely necessary for salvation and the integrity of Christianity in every rational discourse.
The Christian roots of the West are real, as real as its Graeco-Roman classical roots. Many history and classics teachers acknowledge this in conversation, but not often enough in their actual teaching.
This situation must change.
The histories of these must be taught, and their languages– Hebrew, Latin, Greek, must be taught as classical and canonical.
The reverend should also acquaint himself with what pislam teaches about Jesus.
Very, very true, Bruce.
The allowance of this anti-Christ religion to be set up within the compound of the church only speaks of their incompetence as christians. The muslims beleive in God, yes. They are devout, yes. They pray, yes. But they deny the devinity of Jesus, and as a consequence never receive the outward change coming from true inward change. Hence, the importance of sharia law to make them conform. He will deal with them, and this “church”. Peace at any price is capitulation.
Well done, DesertScout! Wow!
Excellent response, Chris!
Thank you!
We were members of the Fox Valley Pres. Church in Geneva, IL. but left because of their political actions. The preaching turned to the left with liberal, social justice themes. We then learned in 2004 that the Pres. Church USA took the side of Hamas against Israel. Now the Fox Valley Church is holding joint services with the very congregation in the basement of the Batavia Church! It is very sad as we were members for 30+ years.
I agree with the general consensus here that your response to the reverend was well said.
The point of Terry Jones’ koran burning was to point out the deficiencies of madman Mohamed’s ideology. The reverend, as a Christian, is supposed to be reaching out to the Moslem in order the save him from his deficient ideology. He cannot do that unless first he points out to the Moslem that he is deficient. Just as an alcoholic cannot be helped unless he first realizes that he has a problem.
Sgt Koran Flusher,
The problem is, it is reasonable to assume — given what we know of Muslim society and psychology — that most Muslims will never see that their ideology is deficient. If we base our policy of self-defense on the naive false hope that a sufficient number of Muslims will “see the light”, we will be pursuing a reckless policy that will more likely end up endangering our lives and societies.
Protecting our societies should be our #1 priority — not “saving” Muslims.
Knowing what we know about the strategies of Islam, you have nailed it, Chris. Give up the good work. We know when the time is RIPE, the Muslims there in the basement will own the Christians who failed to support their own belief system…
Coincidentally, yesterday, I was watching a video, hosted by John Wayne, about those who tried to appease the Communists, and about our lacking the will to win the Viet Nam war. It struck me how easily the words “Islam”, and “Muslim”, could be substituted, and the message would be the same.
Our situation today is worse……Communism failed because it offers a reward now, which it can’t deliver…..Islam, or religion in general, offers a reward for later, that can’t be proven a failure, hence the sheep keep following the ass.
Good article, I had to share it along the social network path. Perhaps it is because many of the Episcopal persuasion have freed themselves from the tyranny of following Scripture that programs like this are so successful.
Thank you Ed!
The Church should have allowed Muslims to make use of the wine cellar rather than the basement.
It is interesting that the Calvary Episcopal Church does not proselytize Christianity. It sounds a bit of a misnomer.
Is the local bishop a woman?
This inbred Christian should be hanging on the gallows before the scum decapitate him.
NO SURRENDER TO iSLAMIC SCUM.
The Muz are now holding street stalls here in the UK. Last Saturday in Cambridge UK a few enraged individuals snatched up all the korans and shied them at the surprised Muslims trying to convert the local population. Hope it makes you laugh. Cheers.
The Reverend Rasicci wrote:
“The situation I inherited when I arrived on the scene as Rector in 2002 has been a very good one, and has fostered a different view of Islam, than that which is usually portrayed.”
What is he referring to? In fact, the usually portrayed view of Islam throughout the West — in our news media, among the vast majority of our politicians (on both Left and Right), among our writers and artists, in Academe, in public schools, and among the majority of Christian churches — is that Islam is the greatest thing since sliced cheese, a “religion of peace” with a wonderful historical tradition that has “contributed” to civilization, most of whose members are just “moms and pops like the rest of us”.
So is Rev. Rasicci trying to say, when he writes of his “situation” that it “has fostered a DIFFERENT view of Islam, than that which is USUALLY portrayed” — that now he and his church are appropriately and rationally critical of all the outrageously intolerant and anti-liberal and hateful teachings of Islam in their holy texts, sermons and clerical speeches & writings?
It’s bad enough when the Reverend Rasiccis of the world insist on remaining blind to the evil dangers of Islam; it’s adding insult to injury to bizarrely depict themselves as poor victims of a supposedly bigoted status quo — when it is in fact WE few critics of Islam who are the beleaguered and demonized minority throughout the West, vilified as “bigots” and “haters” and “racists” by the majority of Politically Correct Multi-Culturalists.
By the way, I have been discovering bits and pieces of information that indicate that this practice of Muslims “renting” or using space within a church is an Islamic tactic of encroachment toward the goal of takeover.
Thus, for example, in 1996, a group of Catholic monks who (foolishly, but that’s another story) had a monastery in Algeria were kidnapped and beheaded. For years prior to their massacre, they had been helping the Muslims of the local village, and as part of that help, had allowed them to use part of the monastery as a mosque.
Second example, from the time when Islam was conquering Spain:
“All the churches in that city [Cordoba] had been destroyed except the cathedral, dedicated to Saint Vincent, but the possession of [one particular church] had been guaranteed by treaty. For several years the treaty was observed; but when the population of Cordova was increased by the arrival of Syrian Arabs [i.e., Muslims], the mosques did not provide sufficient accommodation for the newcomers, and the Syrians considered it would be well for them to adopt the plan which had been carried out at Damascus, Emesa [Homs], and other towns in their own country, of APPROPRIATING HALF OF THE CATHEDRALAND USING IT AS A MOSQUE.
“The [Muslim] Government having approved of the scheme, the Christians were compelled to hand over half of the edifice. This was clearly an act of spoliation, as well as an infraction of the treaty. Some years later, Abd-er Rahman I requested the Christians to sell him the other half. This they firmly refused to do, pointing out that if they did so they would not possess a single place of worship. Abd-er Rahman, however, insisted, and a bargain was struck by which the Christians ceded their cathedral.”
–19th-century scholar of Muslim Spain (and Islamophile) Reinhart Dozy
And so the single remaining church in the city became the Great Mosque of Cordoba.
http://www.dianawest.net/Home/tabid/36/EntryId/1503/Jihad-at-the-Cordoba-Cathedral-Halfway-to-a-Whole-Mosque.aspx
I suspect that further historical (and current) investigation will find that this has been going on in different places a lot more than we know. And, of course, in the case of Rev. Rasicci, it is positively enabled, aided and abetted by dimwitted dhimmis.
I wonder what Muslims would say if the Reverend wanted to share a Mosque?
I can only imagine.
Quote:
Abd-er Rahman, however, insisted, and a bargain was struck by which the Christians ceded their cathedral.”
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Where there is cession, rest assured there has been conflict and even brutality.
A bargain like hell!
Yes, most concessions by non-Muslims to Muslims which occur now, and which have occurred throughout history, take place in a context bristling with potential violence, veiled threats of violence, and fresh memories of recent attacks.
While it is safe to say that most dhimmis of the distant past were mostly (if not solely) motivated by fear of Muslim violence, the Islamophiliac behavior of our dhimmis today are also motivated by minds clouded and confused by the contorted and sincerely deluded ideals of Politically Correct Multi-Culturalism.
Ultimately, Christians have to make choices- Do gthey love Jesus or do they love Mohammed?
Do they believe in the teachings of the Messiah who was without sin or do they believe in the teachings of a war lord prophet who not only raped, murdered and plundered but also ruined the lives of his daughters. The choice is theirs.
Rev. Rasicci,
I wish to start this letter by saying I respect you for having the courage to post your comments on the Logan’s Warning web site. I’m sure there have probably been times you have regretted the attention you and Calvary Episcopal Church have generated from your comments. As a Minister myself, I have a few questions for you. Obviously you don’t owe me an answer to my questions, but I do feel you owe an answer to yourself and to the Congregation of Calvary Episcopal Church.
1.) Why did the past Ministers and Congregation, and now you and the present Congregation open the doors of The House of God to the antichrist?
I guess the first step is to establish the fact that Islam is indeed the antichrist.
Antichrist
Antichrist
AGAINST CHRIST, OR AN OPPOSITION CHRIST, A RIVAL CHRIST. THE WORD IS USED ONLY BY THE APOSTLE JOHN. REFERRING TO FALSE TEACHERS, HE SAYS ( 1 John 2:18,22; 4:3; 2 John 7), “Even now are there many antichrists.”
(1.) This name has been applied to the “little horn” of the “king of fierce countenance” (Dan. 7:24,25; 8:23-25).
(2.) It has been applied also to the “false Christs” spoken of by our Lord (Matt. 24:5, 23,24).
(3.) To the “man of sin” described by Paul (2 Thess. 2:3; 4, 8-10).
(4.) And to the “beast from the sea” (Rev. 13:1; 17:1-18).
The definition above is from Easton’s Bible Dictionary.
1 John 2: 20-23 NIV couldn’t be more clear: “ But you have an anointing from the Holy One, and all of you know the truth. I do not write to you because you do not know the truth, but because you do know it and because no lie comes from the truth. Who is the liar? It is the man who denies that Jesus is the Christ. Such a man is the antichrist—he denies the Father and the Son. No one who denies the Son has the Father; whoever acknowledges the Son has the Father also.
2 John 7-11 is also very clear and includes in the definition a very stern warning! 2 John 2 7-11 NIV “ Many deceivers, who do not acknowledge Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh, have gone out into the world. Any such person is the deceiver and the antichrist. Watch out that you do not lose what you have worked for, but that you may be rewarded fully. 9Anyone who runs ahead and does not continue in the teaching of Christ does not have God; whoever continues in the teaching has both the Father and the Son. If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not take him into your house or welcome him. Anyone who welcomes him shares in his wicked work.
I think you would have to agree, from The Scripture and from Easton’s we have covered the definition of the antichrist. Now lets see what the Qur’an says about Jesus:
2: 36 to us and what has been revealed to Abraham and Ishmael and Isaac and Jacob and the Descendants and what was given to Moses and Jesus and what was given to the prophets from their Lord. We make no distinction between any of them, and we are Muslims
3: 59. The similitude of Jesus before God is as that of Adam; He created him from dust, then said to him: “Be”. And he was.
3:61 Then whoever disputes with you concerning him [‘Iesa (Jesus)] after (all this) knowledge that has come to you, [i.e. ‘Iesa (Jesus)] being a slave of Allah, and having no share in Divinity) say: (O Muhammad
4: 156. That they rejected Faith; that they uttered against Mary a grave false charge;
157. That they said (in boast), “We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of God.;- but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not:-
158. Nay, God raised him up unto Himself; and God is Exalted in Power, Wise
159. And there is none of the People of the Book but must believe in him before his death; and on the Day of Judgment he will be a witness against them;-
4:163 you, [O Muhammad], as We revealed to Noah and the prophets after him. And we revealed to Abraham, Ishmael, Isaac, Jacob, the Descendants, Jesus, Job, Jonah, Aaron, and Solomon, and to David We gave the book [of Psalms].
4: 171 O People of the Scripture, do not commit excess in your religion or say about Allah except the truth. The Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary, was but a messenger of Allah and His word which He directed to Mary and a soul …
5: 72 Surely, they have disbelieved who say: “Allah is the Messiah [‘Iesa (Jesus)], son of Maryam (Mary).” But the Messiah [‘Iesa (Jesus)] said: “O Children of Israel! Worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord.” Verily, …
5: 75 The Messiah [‘Iesa (Jesus)], son of Maryam (Mary), was no more than a Messenger; many were the Messengers that passed away before him. His mother [Maryam (Mary)] was a Siddiqah [i.e. she believed in the words of Allah and His Books (see Verse 66:12)]. They …
I believe I have covered the Biblical definition of the antichrist well enough and verses from the Qur’an that deny Jesus is a part of The Holy Trinity, I think I’ve also covered the fact that Islam denies the Death and Resurrection of Jesus Christ. Should you need more “proof” from the Qur’an you can email me and I’ll send you other verses or mail you a copy of the Qur’an with the verses highlighted.
2.) You wrote, “ Neither we nor they proselytize. “ Why do you, the other Church leaders, or members not witness to them? According to the teaching of Jesus you should witness to them, and if they don’t listen, get away from them:
Luke 9:1-6
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Luke 9
Jesus Sends Out the Twelve
When Jesus had called the Twelve together, he gave them power and authority to drive out all demons and to cure diseases, and he sent them out to preach the kingdom of God and to heal the sick. He told them: “Take nothing for the journey—no staff, no bag, no bread, no money, no extra tunic. Whatever house you enter, stay there until you leave that town. If people do not welcome you, shake the dust off your feet when you leave their town, as a testimony against them.” So they set out and went from village to village, preaching the gospel and healing people everywhere.
Matthew 28:18-20
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Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.”
Mark 16:14-16
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Later Jesus appeared to the Eleven as they were eating; he rebuked them for their lack of faith and their stubborn refusal to believe those who had seen him after he had risen. He said to them, “Go into all the world and preach the good news to all creation. Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned.”
Acts 5:41-42
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The apostles left the Sanhedrin, rejoicing because they had been counted worthy of suffering disgrace for the Name. Day after day, in the temple courts and from house to house, they never stopped teaching and proclaiming the good news that Jesus is the Christ.
Acts 11:19-21
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The Church in Antioch
Now those who had been scattered by the persecution in connection with Stephen traveled as far as Phoenicia, Cyprus and Antioch, telling the message only to Jews. Some of them, however, men from Cyprus and Cyrene, went to Antioch and began to speak to Greeks also, telling them the good news about the Lord Jesus. The Lord’s hand was with them, and a great number of people believed and turned to the Lord.
I assume the above Scriptures are enough on the need to Minister to the Muslim’s who lease space from you to worship a false God. I assume since you are a Minister also you know The Bible as well as I do so you should be aware of The Scriptures warning of false prophets; The Scriptures that hold Teachers to a higher standard; and The Scriptures that tell us if they refuse to listen we are to move on.
3.) Final question. Have you read the Qur’an, The Hadith, and The Reliance of The Traveler? I ask this because you wrote: “The situation I inherited when I arrived on the scene as Rector in 2002 has been a very good one, and has fostered a different view of Islam, than that which is usually portrayed.”
The only way to have an accurate view of Islam is to study Islam. Rev. Rasicci, as a Christian, as a Minister, I hope and Pray you and The Church will reconsider having a Mosque in The House of God. Just a side thought, how do you think Christians who live in Muslim countries would feel about what you and the Church members are doing? Even more importantly how do you think Jesus would feel about you and The Church allowing a cult to worship a false prophet in His House?
In His Service,
Dan Cox
The Holy Bible teaches that the truth will set us free.
So be it. Islam is of the Devil. Allah is Satan. Mohammed was a mass murderer, rapist, pedophile, child molester, and cross dresser.
There are no religions that ever encourage killing, beheading of ones own wives, killing of ones own children in the name of honor, mutilating little girls genitalia, marrying 5 yr old children and younger to 40+ yr old pedophiles just to name a few vile evil practices of this dangerous Satanic cult of laying savages.
The Bible clearly says “Thou shalt have no false gods”.
Allowing this evil filth into a Christian Church is an abomination unto the Lord Jesus Christ and the word of God. AMEN
Hello people I am a revert to Islam, I just wanted to say that everybody here has no idea what you are talking about blinded by lies. What have the Muslims ever done to any of you the worst they have done is protect there lands. Muslims love and respect Jesus more than any of you. I used to pray in a church every Sunday and attended all talks at my local church, now you tell me how do you follow a religion when the priest is having sex with the children and then they try to cover it (yuk) then so often changing gods words to suit man kind ( making it easier to follow ) the muslim religion never ever have changed the words of the Quran. It is a buitifull religion peaceful and blessing to all who follow, and those that say this religen is all about war what about the crusaders look at how all of you forget the history of the Christians, who killed the statue worshipers it was your beloved Christians we Muslims show compassion in our wars giving the people a chance. So before laying judgment read and open your hart as I did seek truth for your self. I see why all of you are concerned so many Christians reverting to Islam, you should ask yourself why, why are my brothers and sisters leaving christianaty. It’s you who to blame teaching these lie and trying to feed us this bulshit my Muslim priest does not have sex with children only his wife and he preaches from a book that’s been around since the times of the messengers of Islam. You poor poor people following a religen that is now man made I don’t hate my old brothers and sisters I fell so sorry for all of you may god put light in your hurts as god did in mine. O blind people don’t be scared just go to your local mosqu and am some questions I bet my life you will also revert. Thank you for your time
Micky Hefner know known as Mohammad Hefner
1. Why don’t you point out the “lies”?
2. Muslims are clearly trying implement Sharia across the West. With no concern for the wants of non-Muslims.
3. Those sicko Priests were not commanded to do that by Christianity. Yet Islam allows pedophilia. So stop talking out of both sides of your mouth.
4. That is the problem. Islam is stuck in the past, and that is where it belongs.
5. The Crusades were the result of 100’s of years of Muslim aggression.
6. Mohammad said it was OK to kill women and children in night raids. Your “chance” is to convert, accept Islamic rule or else…..TRY IT….
7. I am pretty sure there is no such thing as a “Muslim Priest”….
8. Once again, Islam allows sex with children. Under the guise of “marriage”. How sick.
9. I am not religious.
10. Go to the Mosque and speak to Muslims who will lie to cover for the hatred that stems from Islam.
11. Islam is beautiful if you are sick pervert.
12. Don’t bet your life on me converting….