Struggle Over Proposed Mosque In Staten Island
Rabbi Brad HirschfieldA group called the Muslim American Society wants to build a mosque on the grounds of an old convent in Staten Island, New York. Having purchased the building from the church, they went before a packed community meeting last night to discuss their plans. It wasn’t pretty.
Issues like this can bring out either the best or the worst in our communities. In this case, it is definitely the worst. Though, as is often the case, whether best or worst, whatever comes out reflects real issues in the communities involves.
Rabbi have you done any research on the MAS? They want an Islamic world. Please explain how non-Muslims fighting the threat of Sharia, is bad behavior.
They are also in bed with the Council on American Islamic Relations (CAIR), that says a lot.
In this case that means that as TV cameras rolled, people got to watch a rage-filled, deeply Islamaphobic group of Christians and Jews challenge a less than transparent and overly defensive group of Muslims. In short, everybody behaved as if they had been sent over from central casting to participate in a show called “people behaving badly in the name of God”.
You admit that the Muslims were less than transparent, yet you are calling the Christians an Jews Islamophoic. Please explain what the Christians and Jews are supposed to like about Islam advancing, and less than transparent Muslims.
I think the most troubling words came from one participant in last night’s shout-fest, Bill Owens, who declared, “This is our D-Day”. D-Day, Mr. Owens? Do you actually want to compare the struggle over whether or not a mosque gets built to the allied invasion of Europe and the long, bloody process of beating the Nazis? Do you really think this is a war, and if so, at that level?
This goes way beyond the Mosque, this is about Islam advancing across the West. For the record though, Islam has been at war with the non-Islamic world for approximately 1400 years, and the death toll under Islam, is much higher than WWII.
The tragic irony is that such language is not all that different from the jihadist language which frames every communal and cultural struggle and a violent war against and all people who differ from the jihadists. The old adage is true – the longer one fights against an enemy, the more alike they become.
So you are saying is that the countries that made up the Allied Forces, turned out to be Nazis. Thanks, I had not noticed. Please point out just one person who opposes the Mosque, that wants to subjugate the world under a barbaric set of religious laws.
As you are a Jewish man, I would like to ask you which is your favorite part of Islam.?
The part that calls for your extortion, and dominance?
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YUSUFALI: >Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.
Or the part that tells Muslims that they have to fight and kill Jews, to reach judgement day?
Book 041, Number 6985:
Abu Huraira reported Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: The last hour would not come unless the Muslims will fight against the Jews and the Muslims would kill them until the Jews would hide themselves behind a stone or a tree and a stone or a tree would say: Muslim, or the servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me; come and kill him; but the tree Gharqad would not say, for it is the tree of the Jews.
If interfaith dialogue is the answer, why is Islam taking over more and more of the world?
Thank you,
Christopher
For anyone that is interested, the Rabbi can be reached @ [email protected].
My email, to the Rabbi.
How are you? I was wonder if you would mind dropping by my site, and answer a few questions?
https://loganswarning.com/2010/06/10/rabbi-brad-hirschfield-supporter-of-islam/
Thank you,
Christopher Logan
We seem to be good at most things except self-preservation.
Many in the Thirties looked up to Stalin as a savior, until his anti-Semitic executions became embarrasingly obvious. Many voted for Obama, and now are seeing the ‘fruit’ of this choice. J Street is seen as ‘progressive’ instead of the Trojan horse it really is.
It is a sad part of Jewish history, really. Only thing to say about it is that many, many more of us are coming to a historical, and revolutionary understanding that the Old Ways (politically-speaking) simply aren’t as they used to be, and must be abandoned.
Love your site, keep up the good work.
It seems that most non-Muslims of the West have lost the will to protect life, as they know it. To make matters worse, Muslims see the weakness and are exploiting it everyday.
Thanks for the support!
It seems he was at this meeting –
http://wcbstv.com/topstories/staten.island.mosque.2.1742965.html
He must of been, and here is the sellout.
http://blog.archny.org/?p=725&cpage=1#comment-5922
Please leave a comment, I left two, about 48 hours ago, and he has yet to publish them. I read that if you oppose the Mosque, he calls you a racist or a bigot.
Article on him, coming later today.
I just left a comment but I doubt they’ll publish it. They didn’t publish my previous ones.
I’ll keep an eye out for your forthcoming article.
Query: is Boxcar-Jew a hyphenated word… what is the payoff?
Interesting report on the Staten Island meeting here –
http://weaselzippers.us/2010/06/11/tempers-flare-at-meeting-on-%e2%80%9cmuslim-american-society%e2%80%9d-buying-staten-island-convent-to-build-a-mosque-%e2%80%93-video/
Check the video in the report. They said it was one of the biggest meetings locals had ever seen.
Robert Spenser was there asking embarrassing questions and note the priest standing up and heckling.
Nice to see a Priest so passionate aganst the Mosque. Thanks for the video.
Christopher,
May the force be with you, always!
Thank you for all you do!
Thanks Rose, have a great day!
Well, another dhimmi-fool who will become one head shorter in due time. Might serve him well as he is not using it anyway.
LOL!
The only true dialogue that Islam recognizes is that of power.
If you withdraw to conduct yourself in an “interfaith” dialogue with them, they see this as a sign of weakness and therefore advance their agenda over true equality of opinion. All theological opinions Muslims accept as valid must adhere to sharia law and the koran before being interpreted any other way. They believe that theirs is the only true religion and all others are false.
This, as much as anything else we see from the Muslim world, demonstrates how Islam is more than a religion, it is a political system that seeks worldy conquest above all else. And they are willing to sacrifice everyone to do it.
Islam has, by most estimates, accounted for at least 270 million deaths in the name of world conquest. Far more than WWII, WWI, the Korean War, Vietnam and many of the 20th century’s conflicts combined.
And we should expect more, as Islam advances in the west to dominate all political dialogue using oil and gas as a lever to undermine efforts to combat the propaganda that comes from Riyadh,Teheran and other world Muslim centres.
So why does this Rabbi support the mosques being built in New York?
Because he, like many other leftists, want to believe that Islam will not meddle with our right to worship as we please (or not). They also want to make the west look “superior” to Islam and will tolerate the intolerable for the sake of an argument.
What Islam tolerates, however, is a fully Muslim world. And they will use our freedoms against ourselves to advance that not-so-hidden agenda.
Shame on you, Rabbi Hirschfield, you have just enabled an ideology that wishes all Jews dead. Especially Rabbis.
Think about it, the next time a mosque gets approved in your area.
I had emailed him a link to this post, he has still not responded.
What the good Rabbi doesn’t understand is that he and his will be, and currently are, the first to be targeted. Sadly this is a component, albeit minority, of the non-Orthodox rabbinate world view and a greatly mistaken one. I shudder to think how many innocent lives lost (both Jewish and Gentile) these kind of Pollyanna viewpoints will lead to…..