UK Bishop: Taliban can be Admired

Although Muslims of the UK are looking to shove Sharia Law down the throats of everyone there, for the most part the Church is silent. Well that is except when they have a chance to support the enemy, just like they did when they came out in favor of the UK Sharia Courts. The slow suicide continues.

Taliban can be admired for their faith and loyalty, says bishop
The Taliban can be admired for their conviction to their faith and their sense of loyalty to one another, the new bishop for the Armed Forces has claimed.

By Jonathan Wynne-Jones and Duncan Gardham
13 Dec 2009

The Rt Rev Stephen Venner called for a more sympathetic approach to the Islamic fundamentalists that recognises their humanity.

The Church of England’s Bishop to the Forces warned that it will be harder to reach a peaceful solution to the war if the Afghan insurgents are portrayed too negatively.

His comments came as the Prime Minister visited Afghanistan and warned that the Taliban was fighting a “guerilla war” aimed at causing “maximum damage”. Gordon Brown said soldiers were discovering improvised explosive devices every two hours.

Mr Brown stayed overnight in the Allied base in the southern city of Kandahar, the first British Prime Minister to spend the night in a war zone since Winston Churchill. His visit came days after the death of Lance Corporal Adam Drane, the 100th member of the British forces to die in Afghanistan this year. His death brought the total number of British service personnel who have died since the start of operations in 2001 to 237.

Bishop Venner stressed his admiration for the sacrifices made by the British forces fighting in Afghanistan but also urged the need for a reassessment of how the Taliban are viewed.

“We’ve been too simplistic in our attitude towards the Taliban,” said Bishop Venner, who was recently commissioned in his new role by Dr Rowan Williams, the Archbishop of Canterbury.

“There’s a large number of things that the Taliban say and stand for which none of us in the west could approve, but simply to say therefore that everything they do is bad is not helping the situation because it’s not honest really.

“The Taliban can perhaps be admired for their conviction to their faith and their sense of loyalty to each other.”

Besides their attacks on the armed forces, the Taliban have also been responsible for public beatings, amputations and executions and have launched bomb attacks on the civilian population in Afghanistan.

They often refer to foreign forces as “Crusaders” in an echo of the religious wars of the Middle Ages.

The bishop said that some of their methods of combat are not honourable or acceptable, but argued that it was unhelpful to demonise them.

“We must remember that there are a lot of people who are under their influence for a whole range of reasons, and we simply can’t lump all of those together.

“To blanket them all as evil and paint them as black is not helpful in a very complex situation.”

Bishop Venner said that everyone in Afghanistan, including the Taliban, would have to be included in discussions to find a solution to the conflict.

“Afghanistan is going we hope in the end to find a way to live together with justice and prosperity for all. In order to do that we have to involve all the people of Afghanistan to find it.

“It is that lasting and just peace that will in the end justify the sacrifices our servicemen and women have made.”

In the meantime, he said, the Government has “a moral duty” to ensure that the army is properly equipped.

Colonel Richard Kemp, a former commander in Afghanistan who has written about the insurgency, said the bishop was being naïve.

“We clearly need to understand our enemy but that is more of a military issue rather than a religious one,” he said.

“There are elements in the Taliban who do not act from a religious perspective and it is important to understand and turn them around.

“But there are many others who will not be persuaded. Their central creed and ethos is about violent oppression which comes from a politics of extreme religion that has very little to commend it in terms that we would recognise or appreciate.

“In many ways it is a mistake to compare their faith of extreme holy war with the kind of religion of peace and understanding that the bishop follows. They certainly wouldn’t show understanding of his faith.”

Earlier this year, Peter Davies, the mayor of Doncaster, claimed that British society could learn from Taliban family values. He said that under the Taliban, Afghanistan had an “ordered system of family life”.

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16 comments for “UK Bishop: Taliban can be Admired

  1. December 14, 2009 at 8:35 am

    The walking, talking contradictions of the dhimmi have never been more prevalent in the statements this gullible half-wit has uttered in his cowardly effort to appease the barbarian…

    • May 18, 2011 at 2:07 pm

      Maybe I should send him a copy of this speech by Winston Churchill ?

      1. The following was published 112 years ago in 1899.
      He wrote this AFTER fightin in the River War in Afghanistan, he knew what to expect and what the world would face!
      2. It was authored by Winston Churchill who first became a household name forty years later during world turmoil leading up to WWII.
      3. It was impossible for him to even imagine a fraction of the changes in technology or world politics yet to come.
      “How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy.
      The effects are apparent in many countries. Improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live.
      A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement; the next of its dignity and sanctity. The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property, either as a child, a wife, or a concubine, must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men.
      Individual Moslems may show splendid qualities, but the infence of the religion paralyzes the social development of those who follow it.
      No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith.
      It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless warriors at every step; and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of science, the science against which it had vainly struggled, the civilization of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilization of ancient Rome.”

  2. Nick
    December 14, 2009 at 4:22 pm

    What, following a false prophet is good and admirable? Killing British soldiers is something to be admired? That bishop should be sacked immediately, from the Army and from his church.

  3. Robin Shadowes
    December 14, 2009 at 9:51 pm

    These people are insane and should be removed from their posts. One day they will thank us for this since it will save their own lives.

  4. ali
    April 4, 2010 at 12:11 pm

    "My choice of Muhammad to lead the list of the world's most influential persons may surprise some readers and may be questioned by others, but he was the only man in history who was supremely successful on both the religious and secular levels." (Michael H. Hart, The 100: A Ranking of the Most Influential Persons in History, New York, 1978, pp.33 )
    Muhammed must be called the Saviour of Humanity. I believe that if a man like him were to assume the dictatorship of the modern world, he would succeed in solving its problems in a way that would bring it much needed peace and happiness." (George Bernard Shaw, The Genuine Islam, Singapore, Vol. 1, No. 8, 1936)
    Who could dare to compare any great man in modern history with Muhammad? As regards all the standards by which Human Greatness may be measured, we may well ask, Is there any man greater than him?" (Lamartine, Renowned Historian, Histoire De La Turquie, Paris, 1854, Vol. II, pp 276-277)
    I became more than convinced that it was not the sword that won a place for Islam in those days in the scheme of life. It was the rigid simplicity, the utter self-effacement of the Prophet Mohammed, the scrupulous regard for his pledges, his intense devotion to this friends and followers, his intrepidity, his fearlessness, his absolute trust in God and in his own mission." (Mahatma Gandhi, in Young India)

    “How one man single-handedly, could weld warring tribes and wandering Bedouins into a most powerful and civilized nation in less than two decades?" "A silent great soul mohammed, one of that who cannot but be earnest. He was to kindle the world, the world’s Maker had ordered so." (Thomas Carlyle, Heroes and Hero Worship)
    Many People are accepting Islam, my request to Christian Brothers to Check the main differences between Christianity & Islam

    • April 4, 2010 at 5:37 pm

      Dear Islamic robot,

      You will not spam my site. Is that clear?

      • Raymond
        July 27, 2010 at 6:43 am

        Christopher, if you have the power, use it!

  5. jane
    October 2, 2010 at 11:31 am

    The taliban and al queda and others like minded have totally misintrprted Islam and have used it to their own advantages. Islam is really a relgion of love and peace.

    • admin
      October 2, 2010 at 12:39 pm

      Islam condones terrorism, and rape. That is not love and peace.

      • October 5, 2010 at 6:04 am

        Yes Jane, Ha! Ha! Ha! Islam is the religion of peace – After everyone has been forcible converted to Islam and the Infidel Christians and Jews have been killed. The Q’ran is a book of violence made up by a Warlord to advance his own cause. No love in the Q’ran. No love from Allah. Just violence and hatred.

    • October 5, 2010 at 6:35 am

      LOL! Very funny! 🙂

  6. October 5, 2010 at 6:32 am

    Ali, You must be smokin the same stuff that Mohommad did. He was a war lord who gained a great army of followers to loot, plunder,rape and pillage, murder and enslave and forcibly convert people to Islam by claiming he was the messenger of God.

    If one man could assume dictatorship of the world the world would be destroyed in the process. That is far from civilised and would take and remaining people back to the 7th century. Even God allows humans free will to see, feel and think for themselves. If God is the Creator, why would he want you to destroy his creations. Peace and happiness does not come from slavery. No-one has the right to control the hearts and minds of other people.

  7. DutchCC
    October 5, 2010 at 11:13 am

    Lately my disgust grows on an almost daily basis with the scores of COWARD dhimmis, leading western countries and influential (government-run) organizations.

    Why should an army Bishop defend ANYTHING the Cruel Taliban-terrorists carry out against their (western) ennemies?

    I can’t help but think, that the same could be said in WO II about the Waffen-SS. [sarcasm on]
    Their rigid discipline and love for their country and nazi-ideology made them commit the Holocaust, but they were after all loving familyman and loyal German (Christian)citizens.
    Why demonize those brave and principled SS-members in their neat black uniforms and instill even more cruelty and atrocities among the inhabitants of occupied Europe, than their reign of terror already instilled on the oppressed Europeans? [sarcasm off]

    Peace in Afghanistan or elsewhere should never be achieved AT ALL COSTS. Those historical lessons should have been understood by this religious leader.

    The Taliban should, on the contrary be fought and attacked, even if western agression means more violence on western soldiers and Afghan civilians.
    When Victory is not the main goal of Nato’s intervention,and the only thing the Bishop should encourages in ‘his’ troops, he better leave this job asap and start negotiations with the Taliban as a private British citizen. But not in het uniform of the British ARMED forces or has he completely forgotten what mission armies historically have carried out?

    How Christian of this clergyman to sacrifice the Afghan people to the barbaric Taliban. After all, that will be Afghanistan’s future if this kowtowing to Islamic inhumanity becomes offical Britsh (militairy) policy!

    • admin
      October 5, 2010 at 12:44 pm

      I agree, most of our so called leaders do not have the spine for this fight.

      Welcome to the site!

  8. Pisslam
    July 4, 2011 at 5:21 pm

    I just recd a call from this number 706-705-8888 and a female first said salam-alekum (sic) and then said we give free online koran teaching for your kids are you interested. How sick can these basta-r-ds get? They are now targeting via online calls and telemarketing also. When will the leaders of US wakeup and destroy those trying to hijack our nation from the inside just like UK got screwed up? My research on this number and it said this is used by telemarketers or those using google chat or google mail. Brothers, pls beware of such criminals who break the backbone of a country from inside by teaching koran to children. Donot fall for this trap, steel your resolve to throw this scum out of our good country! God bless America.

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