I am sure that many of us have heard Muslims make the following statement.
When they say this they are being very deceptive. They are leaving out the most important part of the verse, which is “unless it be for murder or for spreading mischief in the land” Here it is in its entirety.
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YUSUFALI: On that account: We ordained for the Children of Israel that if any one slew a person – unless it be for murder or for spreading mischief in the land– it would be as if he slew the whole people: and if any one saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of the whole people. Then although there came to them Our messengers with clear signs, yet, even after that, many of them continued to commit excesses in the land.
Obviously “mischief in the land” is a very open statement, and “mischief” can be defined as almost anything.
Merriam-Webster Dictionary-mischief
3 a : action that annoys or irritates
As I said, this verse is a license to kill which is proven in this video. (Video from 2009)
Here are the possible punishments for “spreading mischief”.
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YUSUFALI: The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger, and strive with might and main for mischief through the land is: execution, or crucifixion, or the cutting off of hands and feet from opposite sides, or exile from the land: that is their disgrace in this world, and a heavy punishment is theirs in the Hereafter;
For the sake of our families future generations, we need to fight Sharia with all we have, otherwise they will suffer.
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Brother Chris,
A friend Ibn Iblis wrote, “fasad fil-ardh” means to commit mischief or corruption in the land. The term appears most notably in Qur’an 5.32, which says, “Because of that We ordained for the Children of Israel that if anyone killed a person not in retaliation of murder, or (and) fasad fil-ardh (to spread mischief in the land) – it would be as if he killed all mankind…” Few people bother to ask what it means to “spread mischief in the land”, but it must be a heinous sin, as the prescribed punishment, described in the following verse, is “that they shall be killed or crucified or their hands and their feet be cut off on the opposite sides, or be exiled from the land.”
Ibn Kathir explains the meaning of mischief:
In his Tafsir, As-Suddi said that Ibn `Abbas and Ibn Mas`ud commented,
(And when it is said to them: “Do not make mischief on the earth,” they say: “We are only peacemakers.”)
They are the hypocrites. As for,
(“Do not make mischief on the earth”),
that is disbelief and acts of disobedience.” Abu Ja`far said that Ar-Rabi` bin Anas said that Abu Al-`Aliyah said that Allah’s statement,
(And when it is said to them: “Do not make mischief on the earth”),
means, “Do not commit acts of disobedience on the earth.
Their mischief is disobeying Allah, because whoever disobeys Allah on the earth, or commands that Allah be disobeyed, he has committed mischief on the earth. Peace on both the earth and in the heavens is ensured (and earned) through obedience (to Allah).”
Needless to say, Ibn Iblis is a non-believer, that is why he calls him by the name.
Disobeying Allah?
How about Bible study?
How about Mass?
How about the Daily Office?
How about Latin translation?
I suppose these are “spreading mischief”?
If more people spent time worshiping and less time claiming powers they should not have, perhaps the world might be a bit safer place.
I might add, my brother, that, with the help of your site and the sites such as Jihad Watch, Frontpage Magazine, etc., go forth and make mischief and spread disbelief. Fight the counter-jihad. Talk to anyone who will listen. Brother, you have writen your representatives and other leadrs. And, you have done so from a position of knowledgable authority. We must all study Islam. And, we must know those who want to oppress us.
Hello Bosun,
I know you have been fighting this fight for years now as well. Thanks for posting that information, and keep up the great work!
More from Ibn Iblis, Bro….
Spread disbelief, hinder others from the path of Allah, and make life miserable for those trying to portray Islam in a benign light while conspiring to destroy your cultural heritage and replace it with a 7th-century warrior’s religious code.
Kafr in Arabic means “that which covers the truth”; any act of disbelief, heresy, or blasphemy. Those who are not Muslims and commit acts of disbelief have many names, such as kafir (plural kafirûn) or mushrik (plural Mushrikûn).
Al-fitnah in Arabic means “trial”, “testing” or “calamity”. It is often translated to mean “civil strife”, “war”, or “riots”. Some Qur’anic interpretations of fitnah include “tumult or oppression” (Yusuf Ali) and “persecution” (Shakir; Pickthal).
Fitnah appears several times in the Qur’an, and it’s definition in an Islamic context is given by Qur’an 2.217: “to prevent mankind from following the Way of Allâh, to disbelieve in Him.” Therefore fitnah is also often translated to mean “disbelief” or “shirk”. Ibn Kathir comments on Qur’an 2.191:
Shirk is worse than Killing – Since Jihad involves killing and shedding the blood of men, Allah indicated that these men are committing disbelief in Allah, associating with Him (in the worship) and hindering from His path, and this is a much greater evil and more disastrous than killing. Abu Malik commented about what Allah said:
(And Al-Fitnah is worse than killing.)
Meaning what you (disbelievers) are committing is much worse than killing.” Abu Al-`Aliyah, Mujahid, Sa`id bin Jubayr, `Ikrimah, Al-Hasan, Qatadah, Ad-Dahhak and Ar-Rabi` bin Anas said that what Allah said:
(And Al-Fitnah is worse than killing.)
“Shirk (polytheism) is worse than killing.”
Confusion arises when one ponders why simple disbelief and persecution are given as definitions for the same word. In an Islamic context, if you are open and active in your disbelief, you “prevent mankind from following the Way of Allah,” and lead them to a path of disbelief which leads to hell. This is why, according to Qur’an 2.217, “fitnah is worse than killing.”
Fitnah the movie should have won an emmy not received an enema from the politically correct. here is a link it is still there: http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=216_1207467783
Just plot a few coordinates, press a button, all Islamic problems solved!
http://maps.google.com.my/maps?q=mecca+map&um=1&ie=UTF-8&hq=&hnear=Mecca+Saudi+Arabia&gl=my&ei=zqJ5TNDtKYXBcaT7yYAG&sa=X&oi=geocode_result&ct=image&resnum=1&ved=0CBoQ8gEwAA
Just to clarify – this “quote from the Qu’ran” is actually stolen (and perverted) from the Talmud and the Sages of the Talmud. They have taken something deep and of wonder, and turned it to their own insidious purposes.
🙂 It is your story you can say it any way you want. Mo said that the people of the book perverted that word of God and that was why he channeled the word through the Archangel Gabriel. (of course i am paraphrasing..)
Sister, I did not just fall off the Halal vegetable truck….
Here then are the concepts –
Christianity – God (Jehovah) 2,000 years ago made a one time sacrifice to pay for our sins, Jesus said He was the Son of God and the only way to God. That message has stayed the same for 2,000 years.
Islam claims that many messages were sent many times to ‘prophets’ only to have the message quickly corrupted until Muhammad.
Wouldn’t a God that is involved and cares and strong be able to send an incorruptible message, Just one time?
Jesus never sinned.
Muhammad said that God had made it ok for him to do wrong things and not be held accountable.
Which person best reflects the ideology you would want your daughters to grow up under?
In Muslim countries, the Muslims are treating the non-Muslims unfairly. So don’t blame the non-Muslims in America for their disapproval of Ground Zero mosque.
No other religions are allowed to be built in Muslim countries. So why the fuss if non-Muslim America banns the Ground Zero mosque?
The Muslims are hypocrites. If the Muslims persist in building the mosque at Ground Zero, they should go back to their own countries and build their as many mosque as they want there.
Shame on the Muslims. There is no freedom in Muslim countries for non-Muslims, but when they are in non-Muslim countries, they want all the freedom in non-Muslim countries.
Muslims are the no:1 mother fuckers in the world!!!! The mother fucking Muslims should go to hell!
When I hear about the Ground Zero mosque/community center, all I can think about are the Coptic Christians in Egypt.
Where is the cultural space for them, Muslim Brotherhood?
king:
Not to defend canonical Islam here, just to set the factual record straight. You say:
“No other religions are allowed to be built in Muslim countries.”
You are correct if you are speaking of the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia. One of the last things the Prophet Muhammad said before he died was “Drive the Jews and Christians out of Arabia.” (Ibn Ishaq’s Sirat Rasul Allah, Guillaume translation, in Bill Warner’s Sirat)
But as stated, your claim is factually false. The CIA Country Factbook states (from memory, you might look it up)
Malaysia is multi-creedal, -lingual, and -racial. Islam is the state religion, with 60% of the population. Hinduism and Buddhism are well-represented, as Islam was grafted upon a people who were already influenced by those religions. Christianity claims about 10% of Malaysia’s population.
Indonesia, the most populous Muslim country, is about 80% Muslim with other faiths represented.
India, which has a large contingent of Muslims, is primarily a Hindu nation. Pakistan has a small Christian population. Egypt (according to Raymond Ibrahim) is approximately 10%
Coptic Christian. A small but significant fraction of Syria and Lebanon’s populations are Christian. Most Christians in Muslim nations live as dhimmi. But there are some.
I give you credit for meaning well. But your claim as stated is factually false.
Non-Muslims are persecuted across the Islamic world.
I HAVE THIS SHORT NOTE FOR MAMHOUD NUTJOB, PRESIDENT OF IRAN:
Mamhoud, El Presidente, this is what I have found out of Islamism: Islamism is the only Crime Syndicate that masquerades as a religion. Other Crime Syndicates are not hypocritical when they jockey into position to commit crimes. They advertise their crimes of murder, lying and cheating, and let’s us know that they are practicing criminal activity.
Unlike other Crime Syndicates, Islamism lies and tells us that it’s the religion of peace while it jockeys into position to advance its Criminal Activity: that is, stoning women to death; depraved Muslim sex perverts legally raping underage little girls after a forced “marriage;” hanging and stoning homosexuals until dead; murdering, very much like the Mafia, traitors who no longer wish to participate in criminal activity; honor killings, i.e., a fatwa or a contract on a person for committing minor offenses such as “becoming too Westernized;” flogging underage little girls who are trying to escape the clutches of uncontrolled Muslim male sex perverts who wish to force the underage little girls into “marriage” and subsequent legal rape by said Muslim perverts; flogging women for failing to wear Muslim rags; hanging people who tell the truth about sex pervert, pedophile, child molester, wife beater, murderer, polygamist, whoremonger, slave owner Muhammad.
So long for now, Mamhoud Nut Job of Iran.
Signed, Truth Detector
Just a few months ago they banned western hair-dos. It’s no longer allowed for men to wear spiked hair or have a pony tail as examples.
More recently they have banned any advertising for pet shops or pet related goods or items because westerners keep dogs! An Iranian guy at another site said Iranians never had dogs before because in islam they are considered unclean but lots of Iranaians have dogs now as a form of protest against Ahmadinnerjacket’s regime.
I hope they’re all black with a white spot over one eye.
I hope their dogs have fangs of steel who likes to bite raselifters!
*arselifters
they are all nuts. I would ban squirrels, dogs, and reality if I were them.
Thy don’t like geckos either.
http://madaboutmahound.blogspot.com/2010/06/get-gecko-at-this.html
Congratulations. You took a verse of the Quran out of context. There’s only about ten of these kinda verses in the Bible.
Prove I took it out of context. The Bible is not the issue here, as it is made up of stories of those times. While the Koran states that the actions of Mohammad are to be followed for all times.
BTW, the video, and comments by Bosun’ backup what I have stated.
Fitnah is an excellent video.
The Quran has no context.
It is completely chaotic and unorganized.
No extended narrative.
No essay.
Just commands, commands, and warnings.
Hatred to the non-Muslim.
The Qur’an is the revealed word of Allah, transmitted to the Archangel Gabriel and then to Muhammad. Observant Muslims believe every word of the Qur’an is complete, perfect, universal and eternal. Since it is the word of Allah, context, a human construct, is irrelevant.
To think that any human concept, such as “context” applies to Allah would be shirk, ascribing belittling human limits to Islam’s God of the Universe.
A statement from, for example, apologist extraordinaire John Esposito of Georgetown University’s Alwaleed bin Talal Center for Muslim and Christian Understanding can be taken out of context. Because he is human and fallible. Allah is neither. What he revealed is true because he said so; his revelation doesn’t need “context.”
Your distorting and Mistranslating the Verse!!!!!!
5:32 (Asad) Because of this did We ordain unto the children of Israel that if anyone slays a human being-unless it be [in punishment] for murder or for spreading corruption on earth-it shall be as though he had slain all mankind; whereas, if anyone saves a life, it shall be as though he had saved the lives of all mankind. [40] And, indeed, there came unto them [41] Our apostles with all evidence of the truth: yet, behold, notwithstanding all this, many of them go on committing all manner of excesses on earth. [42]
Qur’an 5:32
Lame try my friend! The Truth all ways wins over falsehood!!!!!!
Yours say “corruption”, the one I posted says “spreading mischief”. Basically the same. Corruption can be just about anything as well.
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/corruption
No one has to make things up about Islam for it to been seen in a negative light. It is stuck in the past and that is where it belongs.
Jehovas Witnesses or terrorist christian crusaders & the Atheists living on false hopes maligning Islam just because of the fact that it is spreading quite rapidly does make sense. I can only see Logan’s attempt to gain attention has failed quite miserably, as he himself is describing a verse out of context.
In reality the verse, like all other passages of the Qur`an, is a miracle in knowledge and goodness. It gives human life a value not given to it before or after Islam and it provides a powerful evidence that the Qur`an continues, corrects, completes and perfects earlier religions. In the Qur`an there is no mandatory death penalty even for these two crimes (5:33, 45, 2:178). In any case they are far more restrictive than in the Jewish tradition, which not only allows but requires death penalty for many more cases. In this way, the Qur`an makes another improvement over the earlier traditions.
Here is a long list of deeds punishable by death in the Bible, as against the two in the Qur`an:
* Cursing or disobeying parents (Ex 21:17, Deut 21:18-21)
* Murder (Ex 21:12, 21:15) And he that smites his father, or his mother, shall be surely put to death.
* Adultery (Lev 19:20, 20:10)
* Kidnapping and enslaving a man (Ex 21:16)
* Beastiality (Lev 20:15-16)
* Abominations (Lev 20:2)
* Blasphemy (Lev 24:16)
* Incest (Lev 20:11-14)
* Witchcraft (Ex. 22:18, Lev 20:27, Num 3:10)
* False Prophecy (Deu 13:5)
* Rebellion (Josh 1:18, 2 Chr 15:13)
* Lying with a woman having her menstruation (Lev 20:18)
* Working on the sabbath day (Ex 16:25, 29, 31:14-15,35:2-3, Num 15:32-36)
* Losing virginity before majority (Deut 22:21-24)
* Worshiping or enticing others to worship gods of non-Jews (Deut 13:6-10, 17:2 -5)
Prove it is out of context. The punishment of death for “spreading mischeif” is called fasad. The Mullah’s of Iran were going to use it against Iranian bloggers during the recent uprisings. Are we to believe that “James” here knows more about Islam than the Mullahs? Who are you “James”? What Mosque do you lead? Name just one. As for the Bible, it is made up of stories of those times. While the Islamic scriptures state to follow the actions of Mohammad the murderer for all times. Besides that, Christians and Jews are not on a worldwide campaign attempting to impose a barbaric religious laws on all. Muslims are. Your attempt to get the focus off of Islam, and EMPTY “out of context” talking point are what has failed. You trying to cover for Sharia says a lot…..
James here is posting from Pakistan and wants to sell us Islam. How desperate they are getting.
RECONQUISTA! NOW!
As for these mad muslims not having dogs because they are not clean! they would be cleaner than these Arabs by far.
They are mad, look at what they are doing around the world because someone said somehting they did not like- unbelievable.
I can not believe that we are bringing so many into this country. They have taken over Europe and the rest of the world so for our sake tell these useless politicians to STOP them from bringing them into our country.
As as whole the Islamic community is incredibly self-centered. If their immigration is not ended it is just a matter of time until we lose this war.
I’m impressed, I need to say. Really hardly ever do I encounter a blog that’s both educative and entertaining, and let me inform you, you’ve gotten hit the nail on the head. Your thought is outstanding; the difficulty is one thing that not enough people are speaking intelligently about. I’m very joyful that I stumbled across this in my seek for one thing regarding this.
Sacred prevarication=taqiyya.
Mischief=anything that Moslems dislike…’mischief’ is punished by murder, etc.
This verse is truly a license to kill. It is a misquotation of the Talmud and proves that Mohammed was an idiot because he didn’t know the difference between the Tenach and the Talmud. Mohammed was a true moron. The verse only applies to Jews, and not to Moslems.
Koran 5.32:”On that account: We ordained for the Children of Israel that if any one slew a person – unless it be for murder or for spreading mischief in the land- it would be as if he slew the whole people ”
“Mischief in the land” is a very open statement, and “mischief” can be defined as almost anything.
“Merriam-Webster Dictionary-mischief 3 a : action that annoys or irritates”
So, annoy a Moslem and they have the authority to murder you.
Koran 5.32 is actually a license to kill infidels, rather than a restriction on Moslems. The restriction is for Israelites living ‘in the land’ of Israel, rather than Moslems living in Arabia or elsewhere. Moslems have a DUTY to torture and murder those who resist Islamic jihad since that is defined as ‘mischief’.
Moslems think they can endlessly trick us. They can’t. Westerners are now reading their texts. It’s over…you can’t fool us any more. Your taqiyya is finished.