There is much more to Tommy backstabbing the thousands of good EDL members who for years stood with him. It was a victory for Islam and Muslims in the UK, as they are showing him off as the enemy infidel turned ally, first place prize he is. Unless someone is holding a gun to his head, which I highly doubt, he is not smart enough to see what he has become.
Ed Husain
@Ed_Husain 8 Oct
British decency prevails. Congrats to@QuilliamF,@MaajidNawaz for defection of English Defence League leaders. Up next:@nickgriffinmep
Ed Husian is one of the co-founders of the Quilliam Foundation that Tommy has joined. As you can see he is not happy with just reeling in Tommy, he wants to take down another big critic of Islam.
Anyone thinking Quilliam who will NOT respond to my simple questions on Twitter, is going to save the UK from Islam is living in a world of denial. It is just a matter of time until the UK loses this war, if Muslim immigration is not ended, and Islam is fought head on. The Quilliam Foundation stands against those who fight Islam. Tommy’s new “friend”s…
FYI: I do not know a lot about Griffin, but I have heard rumors of racism. If he is against black people, I highly condemn him for that.
Christopher Logan
Griffin is also a big anti-Semite. He stated on Twitter that Bare Naked Islam has a lot of good information but too bad it’s run by crazy Zionists.
Hey BNI!
This is weird, I was thinking of you yesterday. For that I condemn him, but my comment about Tommy still stands. Do you remember that kid from Hunter College, Vincent Bruno? Unfortunately you can add him to that list as well. He started bashing Israel and Zionism on one of my Facebook pages.
Quilliam’s chairman, Maajid Nawaz, invited to Downing Street to address the UK Government’s “Task Force on Countering Extremism”, said:
“Extremism must be challenged before it becomes violent.”
http://www.quilliamfoundation.org/blog/quilliam-chairman-visits-10-downing-street/
This is how the UK Government defines “extremism”:
“Extremism is vocal or active opposition to fundamental British values, including democracy, the rule of law, individual liberty and mutual respect and tolerance of different faiths and beliefs. We also include in our definition of extremism calls for the death of members of our armed forces, whether in this country or overseas.”
(https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/97976/prevent-strategy-review.pdf )
Focusing the blame on “extremism” is a variant of “moderates-to-the-rescue”, which Logan has rightly identified as a fantasy, a dangerous delusion. It fits the Muslim Brotherhood’s strategy of “Using deception to mask intended goals” (The Project). It seems that the British Government has been well deceived.
The Koran instructs violence: it is the source. “Violence is the heart of Islam” says Ayatollah Yazdi, adviser to Ahmadinejad (http://vladtepesblog.com/2012/01/18/islam-is-not-a-curried-christianity/).
The Koran mandates killing of and violence against the kuffar in over a hundred verses. Denying any verse is a capital offence (Manual of Islamic Law o8.7(7)).
They cannot be altered or reformed: “None can change His words” (18:27).
Any strategy for “Countering Extremism” needs to begin at the instructions in the Koran, which are “valid from eternity to eternity” (Sam Solomon, former professor of Sharia law). “The teachings of the Quran are not restricted by time and space. They are universal and trans-time. They can be applied today as they were applied 1400 years ago, and can still be applied till the end of time.”
Imam Ahmad Saad, North London Central Mosque
https://loganswarning.com/2009/12/16/imam-of-north-london-central-mosque-koran-is-for-all-time/
The Koran is in “active opposition to fundamental British values, including democracy”.
The Koran does not advocate “mutual respect”: muslims “are merciful to each other but ruthless to the unbeliever” (48:29).
The Koran permits no “tolerance of different faiths”: “If anyone desires a way other than Al-Islam, never will it be accepted of him” (3:85).
The Koran does not uphold individual liberty: “It is not for a believing man or a believing woman, when Allah and His Messenger have decided a matter, that they should [thereafter] have any choice about their affair” (33:36).
“It is the nature of Islam …to impose its laws on all nations…”
Hassan Al-Banna, founder and Supreme guide of the Muslim Brotherhood.
“Those who are against killing have no place in Islam.”
Ayatollah Sadegh Khalkhali, IRI Judge
(http://vladtepesblog.com/2012/01/18/islam-is-not-a-curried-christianity/)
The Koran can be consulted online (http://quran.com/33/36 etc.).
The Manual of Islamic Law, “Reliance of the Traveller”, is available as a free download (www.shafiifiqh.com/maktabah/relianceoftraveller.pdf).
Michael,
Thank you for your always informative posts. They are greatly appreciated.
Chris
Well worth spreading around. The links are invaluable. Tommy has indeed been seduced into thinking he can leave EDL and slighly cozy up to moslems as a way of exiting the very thing he started in 2009. The problem is he can’t. The moslems he *offended* will still be offended and angry with him. Such is the idealogy of islam. islam clings to [percieved]wrongs against it like a ruthless gang! He has betrayed the LOYAL following he rallied to the EDL, in an unforgivable way.So many people are wringing their hands because they don’t know what to think. Thats instinct saying be weary. Debs.
Hi Debs!
He cannot and should be not trusted.
Hey Chris. People should never forget that sinking feeling Mr Lennons “defection” gave them. Agree with you. NS
Tommy Robinson must have a lot of inside information about EDL members and as he intends helping the police find extremists in the organisation, there could be risks for supporters of EDL.
As Quilliam has links with CAIR, there will be no attempt to make Muslims integrate, only more pressure to put the British people under the Islamic dictatorship.
The Quilliam Foundation is described as a “think tank”. This gives it a taxpayer-friendly image. In January 2009, The Times published an article claiming that Quilliam had received almost £1 million from the government (Wikipedia). The website http://www.militantislammonitor.org/article/id/3825 has this information from 2009:
The Times understands that the [Quilliam] foundation, which has 18 full-time staff, is paying about £110,000 a year to rent offices at one of Central London’s most prestigious addresses, which, for security reasons, have no name plate or sign outside. Inside, the offices are expensively furnished with state-of-the-art computers and plasma screen televisions. Mr Husain and Mr Nawaz, the organisation’s directors, are believed to be receiving salaries of about £85,000 each a year. The foundation refused to discuss individual earnings. http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/politics/article5549138.ece
An unnamed government minister told The Times that the size of the grant was outrageous, and saying Britain had seen the rise of an “ex-Islamist industry.” http://www.upi.com/Top_News/2009/01/20/Critics_hit_anti-Islamist_think_tank_cost/UPI-58251232470163/
The Quilliam Foundation, Pamela Geller explains, is named after a 19th-century British convert to Islam, Abdullah (formerly William) Quilliam, who was hardly a “moderate.” In warning Muslims not to aid a British expedition into Sudan in 1896, he wrote: “For any True Believer to take up arms and fight against another Muslim is contrary to the Shariat, and against the law of God and his holy prophet. I warn every True-Believer that if he gives the slightest assistance in this projected expedition against the Muslims of the Soudan, even to the extent of carrying a parcel, or giving a bite of bread to eat or a drink of water to any person taking part in the expedition against these Muslims that he thereby helps the Giaour [Infidels] against the Muslim, and his name will be unworthy to be continued upon the roll of the faithful.”
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2013/10/beheading-the-edl.html
That warning, “his name will be unworthy to be continued upon the roll of the faithful” needs a little translation. It means “he will no longer be a Muslim”: in other words, he will be judged an “apostate” (one who has changed his religion).
Islam does not tolerate apostates: they have to be killed (Manual of Islamic Law o8.2). The killing may be carried out without penalty by anyone, “since it is killing someone who deserves to die” (ditto o8.4). The Koran says “if they turn their backs, take them, and slay them wherever you find them” (4:89). All the schools of Islamic jurisprudence agree that apostates are to be killed. Mohammed said, “If somebody discards his religion, kill him.”
(Bukhari (52:260), at http://www.TheReligionOfPeace.com).
William “Abdullah” Quilliam was an ordinary orthodox muslim, observing ordinary Islam, as found in the Koran (available online) and the Manual of Islamic Law (available as a free download, http://www.shafiifiqh.com/maktabah/relianceoftraveller.pdf).
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It seems to me that the Quilliam Foundation was misspelled and it should be named “The Quisling Foundation”…
A quisling is a person who collaborated with Axis forces in occupied Allied countries during World War II
Do you suppose his family’s safety is his main concern?
Perhaps the guy cannot afford the security he needs to protect himself and his family, therefore his only other option is to sit on the fence with the “Quisling Foundation”?
He should have just walked away then.
Yes, it would have been better to walk away rather than be seen to stand with Islam.
I agree with you, Chris, but it gets worse. Tommy Robinson has apparently apologised to Muslims for frightening them.
Isn’t it time that even ONE Muslim apologised to us? We are not easily frightened, but there is cause to be when one considers the beheading of innocent Christian men, women and children, in places not far from where Westerners take their holidays!
Beheadings on buses, explosions and torture in shopping malls, hanging gays, kidnapping young non-Muslim girls for forced conversion and marriage to ugly old men who are strangers. Taking a trunk full of explosives, guns, samurai swords and machetes to kill EDL marchers is enough to frighten anyone, even the police who could also have been included in the planned slaughter, which by chance was thwarted.
Not a peep from any Muslim and we are not supposed to show concern.
I saw that, a complete sign of weakness. He is not the leader many thought he was.
The well-dressed Maajid Nawaz, chairman of the Quilliam Foundation, says:
“I want to demonstrate how the Islamist ideology is incompatible with Islam.” (Wikipedia)
This sounds very like “Nice Peaceful Moderate Islam” as opposed to “Hi-jacked Warped Twisted Misunderstood Extremist Islam”. It would seem that David Cameron buys into this. The Prime Minister of Turkey, however, does not.
“These descriptions are very ugly, it is offensive and an insult to our religion. There is no moderate or immoderate Islam. Islam is Islam and that’s it.” (http://sheikyermami.com/)
Maajid Nawaz wants also to “develop a Western Islam that is at home in Britain and in Europe.” (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quilliam_(think_tank)).
The Muslim community is not convinced.
“The foundation has no proven grassroots support within the Muslim community, although it does seem to have the ear of the powers that be, probably because it is telling them what they want to hear.”
(open letter to The Guardian, from Anas al-Tikriti, Yvonne Ridley, Ihtisham Hibatullah, Ismail Patel, and Roshan Salih, Wikipedia).
Pamela Geller’s assessment:
“the organization is a classically deceptive enterprise ….
This is not “Islamic reform.” This is just deception.”
” (http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2013/10/beheading-the-edl.html)
Affirming Logan’s view of “Moderates-to-the-rescue” fantasy:
TEN REASONS WHY MODERATE MUSLIMS ARE NOT THE ANSWER
Published on Sunday, 20 October 2013 13:54
Written by George Whale, Liberty GB
http://libertygb.org.uk/v1/index.php/home/root/news-libertygb/6120-ten-reasons-why-moderate-muslims-are-not-the-answer
Quilliam’s Maajid Nawaz says:
“We wish to raise awareness around Islamism” (Wikipedia).
However, the UK Government admits:
“There are no commonly agreed definitions of ‘Islamism’ and ‘Islamist’, and groups or individuals described as Islamist often have very different aims and views about how those aims might be realised.”
https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/97976/prevent-strategy-review.pdf p.108
It’s called “piddling” in the wind. Can’t avoid the fall-out. islam comes right back at ya, no matter where ya stand. NS
Well said Debs!
Quilliam has labeled the great Geert Wilders a “bigot”. Pamela Geller observes:
“The Quilliam Foundation’s anti-Israel stance and its unjustified attacks on counter-jihadists such as Ayaan Hirsi Ali and Geert Wilders abundantly establish that it is not what it claims to be.”
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2013/10/tommy-robinson-standing-firm-for-the-truth.html#more
“Sarka’s gullible idealism … leads him to trust the supposedly “Moderate” Muslim Nawaz, and to trust the Quilliam Foundation — particularly after numerous indications show it to be untrustworthy, not the least of which was Andrew Bostom’s devastating articles on it, showing that the eponymous inspiration for the organization, the 19th century British convert to Islam, William “Abdullah” Quilliam, was a flaming advocate of violent jihad which (naturally) led him to advocate treason against his own British homeland.”
Comment by LemonLime
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2013/10/tommy-robinson-reconsidered.html#comments
“Among Muslims none should be known as Turks, Arabs, Kurds, Ajem, Afghans, Indians or English. They are all Muslims, ….
…under the standard of the Khalifate, let us unite there, one and all, and at once!”
William “Abdullah” Quilliam, March, 1896.
http://gatesofvienna.net/2013/10/introducing-w-h-abdullah-quilliam/