After writing my “NYC: A Quick Visit to the Park 51 Mosque” article, I decided to send an email to John Lichten who is one of the Mosque’s non-Muslim employees.
Christopher Logan
To [email protected]Hello John,
Last night I was reviewing the Park 51 blog. After reading your welcome letter I just have one quick question for you. As a Christian how can you support a religion that calls for the dominance of Christians?
Thank you,
Christopher
The following email was shortly sent back to me by John.
John Lichten
To Christopher LoganHello Christopher,
Thank you for writing. On a rather basic level, I support Islam as an American Christian, since America is a country which specifically forbids one religion dominating over the other. Actually, one reason as to why I wanted to work for Park51 was that many of the remarks against Park51 appeared claiming America as a “Christian country” – not only were these statements going against the intentions of the founders (who openly welcomed Muslims), but the statements were also being used to make Christianity dominate over other religions!
Theologically, I can’t really comment, as I don’t know enough about either religion (IIRC, the bible doesn’t talk about Christian-Jewish relations at all, whereas the quran talks about them a lot due to the different circumstances regarding their origins, but don’t quote me on that). However, from a historical perspective, and as a Protestant with Jewish ancestry, I would have much rather lived in Muslim Spain where I would’ve been taxed extra but mostly left alone, than in Inquisition-era Spain where my non-Catholic identity would’ve had me exiled or worse.
If you have any other questions, please feel free to ask!
Thank you,
John Lichten
Park51
Besides wanting to point out some facts to John, I had a few other questions for him.
Christopher Logan
To [email protected]Hi John,
Thanks for responding. In my previous email I had mentioned that Islam calls for the dominance of Christians, and now you are telling me you are against any religion dominating another. Yet you still support Islam. No offense, but that does not make sense.
009.029 (People of the book means Christians and Jews)
YUSUFALI: Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.The Founding Fathers were warned about Islam and they made a huge mistake by allowing it to be practiced here in the first place.
During the year 1786 Thomas Jefferson and John Adams went to London to speak with Tripoli’s Ambassador Sidi Haji Abdrahaman. Jefferson and Adams asked the Ambassador how can they make war on nations that have done nothing to them? The Ambassador replied that “It was written in their Koran, that all nations which had not acknowledged the Prophet were sinners, whom it was the right and duty of the faithful to plunder and enslave; and that every Muslim who was slain in this warfare was sure to go to paradise. He said, also, that the man who was the first to board a vessel had one slave over and above his share, and that when they sprang to the deck of an enemy’s ship, every sailor held a dagger in each hand and a third in his mouth; which usually struck such terror into the foe that they cried out for quarter at once”.
Islam allows rape, slavery and lying. Are you saying that fits in with the intentions of our founders?
https://loganswarning.com/2010/03/20/islam-101-the-religion-of-rape/
https://loganswarning.com/2009/12/15/islam-101-lying-is-permissible/
John Quincy Adams on Islam:
“In the seventh century of the Christian era, a wandering Arab of the lineage of Hagar [i.e., Muhammad], the Egyptian, […..] Adopting from the new Revelation of Jesus, the faith and hope of immortal life, and of future retribution, he humbled it to the dust by adapting all the rewards and sanctions of his religion to the gratification of the sexual passion. He poisoned the sources of human felicity at the fountain, by degrading the condition of the female sex, and the allowance of polygamy; and he declared undistinguishing and exterminating war, as a part of his religion, against all the rest of mankind. THE ESSENCE OF HIS DOCTRINE WAS VIOLENCE AND LUST.- TO EXALT THE BRUTAL OVER THE SPIRITUAL PART OF HUMAN NATURE…. Between these two religions, thus contrasted in their characters, a war of twelve hundred years has already raged. The war is yet flagrant … While the merciless and dissolute dogmas of the false prophet shall furnish motives to human action, there can never be peace upon earth, and good will towards men.”
In your second paragraph you admit that you know little about Islam. Do you always stand up for things you know little about? This is not the era of Muslim Spain. But do you know how Islam got as far as Spain? Do you know that the Islamic scriptures call for Muslims to fight and kill Jews to reach judgement day?
Muslim Hadith Book 041, Number 6985:
Abu Huraira reported Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: The last hour would not come unless the Muslims will fight against the Jews and the Muslims would kill them until the Jews would hide themselves behind a stone or a tree and a stone or a tree would say: Muslim, or the servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me; come and kill him; but the tree Gharqad would not say, for it is the tree of the Jews.
Are you willing to have your family’s future generations living under Islamic Law? If the answer is no then why are you promoting Islam?
https://loganswarning.com/2010/08/26/sharia-law-islamic-law-101-non-muslims-under-sharia/
Also ask yourself why your Muslim co-workers did not disclose this information to you. If any of them want to debate me on this, just have them show up here.
https://loganswarning.com/2011/02/07/nyc-a-quick-visit-to-the-park-51-mosque/
Thank you,
Chris
As of now John has gone lights out on me.
Well done Chris. Be interesting to see if he responds or not. I will be sharing this late tonight!!! In the face of the truth, many will run and refuse to admit they are wrong. In the face of knowledge many like him cower behind the teaching of replacement theology.
“As the essential principle of his [Muhammad’s] faith is the subjugation of others by the sword; it is only by force, that his false doctrines can be dispelled, and his power annihilated.”
President John Quincy Adams
…that it was founded on the Laws of their Prophet, that it was written in their Koran, that all nations who should not have acknowledged their authority were sinners, that it was their right and duty to make war upon them wherever they could be found, and to make slaves of all they could take as Prisoners, and that every Musselman (Muslim) who should be slain in Battle was sure to go to Paradise.”
President Thomas Jefferson’s justification for going to war with Muslims who were attacking our merchant ships…The US Marines battle hymn “from the shores of Tripoli” memorialize America’s first war as a nation–a direct result of Islam.
So it’s fair to say that Muslims hated America from the time it was first formed.
Well done, Chris!!!
Very well done !!!
Please post the dhimmi’s reply if you ever get one.
Will do! 🙂
I’ve never heard it summed up that concisely but yes, the driving force behind islam is violence and lust, period. satan himself could not come up with a better script to entice humanity straight to hell. Wait a minute, allah might be satan…hmmm.
This joker knows nothing if he thinks the only thing muslims did to Christians and Jews was to charge an extra tax. They impaled Christians and Jews on long stakes and left trhem to die of exposure. They took churches away from Christians and turned them into synagogues, They would not allow Christians to build new churches or repair existing ones. He’s a Christian but does not want Christianity to be dominant. He has no clue that muslims are commanded to dominate all non muslims and annihilate every other religion off the face of the earth, Please John call yourself anything you want but do not call yourself a Christian it is insulting to the real Christians.
Chris
Great reply!
It’s probably from the koranimals the legendary prince of Valachia Vlad Tepes (tepes means impaler btw) got his inspiration. It’s a known fact that both Vlad and his brother spent years as turkish prisoners. In fact the brother was forcefully converted to pislam and remained an arselifter for the rest of his life. As did Vlad remain a hater of everything turkish for the rest of his life. If he and his brother were close in their younger days I do not know but it is not unlikely it fueled his hate for turks and arselifters in general. It is true he performed atrocities against his own people too but among the modern romanians he is mostly regarded as a hero for his stance against turkish koranimals.
correction:
. They took churches away from Christians and turned them intomosques
The nation of Islam thrives on the ignorance of history and the tolerance of other religions. They are masters at subjugating a nations laws to pursue their own goals, then abolish the laws in lieu of Sharia.
It is completely acceptable for them to lie in order to achieve these goals. People need to wake up and realize that this is not a religion as they think it is. It is a political cast system where everyone is below Muslims in their view, backed by their own twisted religious decrees.
They only like laws when they work in favor of the Muslims to be free to gain power. Once they have enough, it is over, those very same laws are tossed out by religious decree.
I am glad you straightened him out, but I doubt that he will ever reply. You crushed his image and he will never want to believe that he has been duped.
Keep on plugging away Chris. If it isn’t stopped now, we will end up fighting in every sense of the word to keep our country as a nation where freedom of religion is real.
“However, from a historical perspective, and as a Protestant with Jewish ancestry, I would have much rather lived in Muslim Spain where I would’ve been taxed extra but mostly left alone, than in Inquisition-era Spain where my non-Catholic identity would’ve had me exiled or worse.”
What a pathetic dhimmi! He wants to be second class: no problem there!
Muslim Spain was no paradise. There was much violence there. Read about the Mozarab Martyrs, 9th century. Read about the unfortunate career of Maimonides. Even though he chose to stay in the Muslim world, he could not remain where he was born– an exile in the Muslim world.
Muslims in Spain also made several raids into France and other countries to secure slaves for their courts, brothels and elsewhere.
Muslim Spain was no democratic paradise of tolerance.
If someone forced you to wear a badge so they could single you out for humiliation, you would never mistake the culture for a tolerant one.
Muslim cheek has no bounds. Take a look at ‘White Gold’ – Milton.Several hundred years ago Muslims actually raided English coastal towns and kidnapped the inhabitants for slavery. If they did not convert to Islam they were tortured. Needless to say a psychopath ran the organisation. They are still stuck in the same rut
Losing all credibility, John Lichten contradicted himself when he initially stated :
only to then state:
. . .clearly he understood that even in the fairy tale utopia of Al-Andalus, he would have merely survived as a dhimmi subjugated under Islamic rule. He willingly allows himself to be played for a fool.
Lan Astaslem.
“I support Islam as an American Christian …”
The number of inconsistencies in that statement is so great as to make it ridiculous.