As I search the Internet for articles about Islam, I also read some of the comment sections. Of course there are always people leaving comments, in an attempt to get us to back off. One that I frequently see is “What would Jesus do”. This is nothing more than an attempt to try to get us to turn the other cheek, and ignore the threat of Islam. Please do not fall for it. The other day a wrote to my friend Church Elder Louis Palme, who pulls no punches when it comes to Islam. Here is his response.
What would Jesus Do? and What Would Muhammad Do?
By Louis Palme @ Annaqed.com. Please give him a visit.
There seems to be a new approach developing in the dialogue between Christians and Muslims. More and more, people are asking, “What Would Jesus Do?” Those asking the question, however, are not Christians, but rather, Muslims. They are trying to remind Christians that their intolerance of Islamic ideology is somehow un-Christian because, certainly, Jesus would seek peace, turn the other cheek, and love His enemies.
It is easy (and deceptive) to find “proof quotes” to support almost any pre-conceived agenda – whether it is a Christian agenda or a Muslim agenda. It is also true that the Messiah (as Jesus is called in the Quran) was a advocate of peace – not the peace of willing or unwilling surrender (Surah 3:83), but the peace that is free from worry or fear. (John 14:27) Jesus spoke kindly to people regardless of their race or their own personal sins, but that doesn’t mean he condoned their sins. He insisted that people stop their sinning and repent. (John 8:11)
With that caution in mind, let’s consider some of the hot-button issues dividing Christians and Muslims.
What would Jesus and Muhammad do regarding: Separation of Church and State, Personal Responsibility, Praying in Public, Hypocrisy and Deceit, Stoning and other punishments, Killing in the Name of God, etc. (Since Muhammad is the “good example” of Islamic practice, what he would do is represented either by texts from the Quran or the authoritative Hadith.)
The Purpose of their Missions:
Jesus: “The thief comes only in order to steal, kill, and destroy. I have come in order that you might have life — life in all its fullness.” (John 10:10)
Muhammad: “I have been given five things which were not given to any one else before me. 1. Allah made me victorious by awe, (by His frightening my enemies) for a distance of one month’s journey. 2. The earth has been made for me (and for my followers) a place for praying and a thing to perform Tayammum (washing ones face and hands with soil), therefore anyone of my followers can pray wherever the time of a prayer is due. 3. The booty has been made Halal (lawful) for me yet it was not lawful for anyone else before me. 4. I have been given the right of intercession (on the Day of Resurrection). 5. Every Prophet used to be sent to his nation only but I have been sent to all mankind.” (Bukhari, Vol. 7, Number 331)
Power and Might:
Jesus: [When promised the world by Satan if he would bow to him,] “Go away, Satan! The Scripture says, ‘Worship the Lord your God and serve only him.’” (Matthew 4:10) “All those who take the sword will die by the sword.” (Matthew 26:52)
Muhammad: “I have been sent with the shortest expressions bearing the widest meanings, and I have been made victorious with terror, and while I was sleeping, the keys of the treasures of the world were brought to me and put in my hand.” (Bukhari, Vol. 4, Number 220)
Separation of Church and State:
Jesus: “Pay to the Emperor what belongs to the Emperor, and pay to God what belongs to God.” (Luke 20:19-26)
Muhammad: Those you serve besides Allah are nothing but names which you and your fathers have devised and for which Allah has revealed not sanction. Judgment rests only with Allah. (Surah 12:40) Allah will not let the unbelievers triumph [rule] over the faithful. (Surah 4:142)
Personal Responsibility:
Jesus: “Anyone who looks at a woman and wants to possess her is guilty of committing adultery with her in his heart.” (Matthew 5:28)
Muhammad: Prophet, enjoin your wives, your daughters, and the wives of true believers to draw their veils close around them. That is more proper, so that they may be recognized and not be molested. (Surah 33:59)
Praying in Public:
Jesus: Make certain you do not perform your religious duties in public so that people will see what you do. If you do these things publicly, you will not have any reward from [God] in heaven.” (Matthew 6:1)
Muhammad: “Believers, when you are summoned to Friday [public] prayers hasten to the remembrance of God and cease your trading.” (Surah 62:9) [Friday was market day in Medina, so the market place was filled with shoppers. Calling the prayer at noon on Friday would maximize the visibility of the Muslims going to prayer. The Surah reveals that Muhammad was annoyed that some preferred commerce and merriment to public worship.]
Hypocrisy and Deceit:
Jesus: “How terrible for you, teachers of the Law and Pharisees! You hypocrites! You are like whitewashed tombs, which look fine on the outside but are full of bones and decaying corpses on the inside. In the same way, on the outside you appear good to everybody, but inside you are full of hypocrisy and sin.” (Matthew 23:27)
Muhammad: Allah is the supreme plotter. (Surah 3:54) Allah is profound in his machinations. (Surah 8:30) Allah is the master of all scheming. (Surah 13:42)
Stoning and other Punishments:
Jesus: [To the woman caught in adultery] “I do not condemn you, but do not sin again.” (John 8:11) [Regarding eye-for-an-eye punishments,] “Do not take revenge on someone who wrongs you.” (Matthew 5:38 )
Muhammad: [When a woman repented from adultery, Muhammad allowed her to have her baby and wean him, and then he pronounced his judgment:] And she was put in a ditch up to her chest and he commanded people and they stoned her [to death]. (Muslim, Book 17, Number 4206) Believers, retaliation is decreed for you in bloodshed. . . In retaliation you have a safeguard for your lives; perchance you will guard yourselves against evil. (Surah 2:178 – 180)
Killing in the Name of God:
Jesus: “The time will come when anyone who kills you will think that by doing this he is serving God. People will do these things to you because they have not known either [God] or me. But I have told you this, so that when the time comes for them to do these things, you will remember what I told you.” (John 16:2-4)
Muhammad: Allah has purchased from the faithful their lives and worldly goods and in return has promised them the Garden. They will fight for the cause of Allah, slay and be slain. Such is the true promise which He has made them in the Torah, the Gospel, and the Quran. [This is actually NOT true.] And who is more true to his pledge than Allah? [See “Hypocrisy and Deceit,” above.] Rejoice then in the bargain you have made. (Surah 9:111)
In short, Jesus Christ would teach love of oneself, and love of neighbor.
Muhammad would teach hatred, hatred, and more hatred of his own people, and hatred of everyone else.
it dose not matter all the matter is GOD he is the one and only one
Islamism isn’t a religion. Islamism is a Crime Syndicate, and the sooner we realize this, the sooner we will destroy the Criminal Activity of Islamism.
Chris, Once again you prove that Mohammed was demonically possessed. Islam is Satanic. Thank you for this post I am going to print it for the scriptures.
Actually our friend Louis gets the thanks here. 🙂
Thanks for pitching in!
I had posted this before but I thought it more applicable here.
The first point to be made in defense of the Crusades is that they were initially a response to Islamic aggression. Islam, from its inception, had espoused the use of force. Where Jesus had died for his beliefs, the Prophet Mohammed had wielded a sword. Though Christianity was later to be exploited for political ends, the Christian religion as such had, in the first three centuries of its existence, spread peacefully–thriving, in fact, on the blood of its martyrs. I say this not to score a point in favor of Christianity but to emphasize an historical truth: The spread of Islam from the Arabian peninsula to southwestern France in the eighth century; and to the gates of Vienna in the seventeenth, came as a result of conquest by Islamic armies
Jesus would tell the truth, preach the truth, speak the truth, correct lies and deceit and wickedness by saying that is what they are. You need to repent. He would offend people, make them mad, and care for their needs too. But this pandering to people’s needs and feelings ‘Jesus Message’ was not his mission. REPENT! Doesn’t sound so nice, does it? You brood of vipers and snakes – your father was a liar and the you are children of the devil.
Best I can come up with right now, Chris. But I will check in again tomorrow. Good post. I have been arguing online all day with idiot ‘Christians’ and Moslems on the Facebook Burn a Koran Day. And now we are getting phone calls again (I am the phone person too). Great chance to preach, but wears you out. Moslems don’t want the truth. They want to believe their lies – excuses for doing whatever they please, whatever their lusts and anger and fear lead them. No worries. Allah is all merciful and it is all put on a scale and the 5 pillars are all that count. Does not matter what the consequences are for others. I am god. only i count.
WWJD? Burn Korans on 9/11 with a pig on the bonfire too. It’s evil. (Not the pig – it did nothing but was going to be eaten anyway…) Actually sausage and bacon are 2 of my favorite things, which is why I will never be radically thin…..and never ever in a million years a Moslem….
“never in a million years a Moslem” … Well nobody asked you to be a Moslem, just keep swallowing bacon until u die… then we’ll see who truly want to believe their lies and want to have excuses for doing whatever they please and lust…
and if Christianity really calls for peace and tolerence and prosperity or whatever, then how come YOU christians keep insulting Islam all the time like u have nothing else to do, Didn’t Jesus teach you how to respect other religions? Is publishing offeding articles and provoking cartoons that insult Islam community in one way or another ALL over the internet a part of your religion? Did Muslims ever insulted Jesus or Christianity? the answer is NO because we are TRUE MUSLIMS and Muhammed has advised us not to ASSULT (physically or emotionally) anyone including UNBELIEVERS unless they start the war.
JUST STOP CRITICIZING STUFF THAT YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT! If u wanna be Christian,nobody puts a sword on your neck! but that does not give you the right to criticize us!each stands inside the respect limits, or else we have stuff to say, too.
Egypt, Syria, Persia, Constantinople, Famagusta, Crisolares . . . the war is already started.
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the answer is NO because we are TRUE MUSLIMS and Muhammed has advised us not to ASSULT (physically or emotionally) anyone including UNBELIEVERS unless they start the war.
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So what the hell do you mean here?
You are not immigrants.
You are an invading army.
You will be treated accordingly.
Thanks for showing your true colors early on. I take it burning down Churches is not an insult….
Islamic Law is to be forced on non-Muslims. If we do not agree to pay jizya and live as second class citizens the penalty can be death. The focus of this site will not change, if you cannot take it, too bad. Go whine somewhere else.
Islam Warrior
“JUST STOP CRITICIZING STUFF THAT YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT! If u wanna be Christian,nobody puts a sword on your neck!”
If you want to be a Christian your muslim brother will put a sword to your neck. See the difference? Not to mention that beheading seems to be a favorite past time for some muslims.
Here is a very short list:
http://www.compassdirect.org/?view=Search+results&query=beheading
didn’t Jesus teach you how to respect other religions? nobody asks you to be a Muslim…
Jesus was not alive when Islam was founded, and he would not have cared for a religion that is out to destroy Christianity. Islamic Law is forced on non-Muslims.
Matthew 7.
We judge you by your fruits.
We find you wanting.
Islam is profane.
Mohammed is a false prophet.
Your culture is corrupt.
Your bread is hatred.
And as for wine? You have none.
Even though islam did not exist at the time Jesus did in fact speak out against the things of islam:
“Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.”
The koran teaches to kill those that do not either convert or subjugate themselves to muslims. Therefore it is evident who your god really is. As Christians we are taught to not to bow down to any other god.
No Jesus didn’t tell us to respect other Religions, Jesus said John 14 1-14
1 “Do not let your hearts be troubled. You believe in God[a]; believe also in me. 2 My Father’s house has many rooms; if that were not so, would I have told you that I am going there to prepare a place for you? 3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come back and take you to be with me that you also may be where I am. 4 You know the way to the place where I am going.”
Jesus the Way to the Father
5 Thomas said to him, “Lord, we don’t know where you are going, so how can we know the way?”
6 Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. 7 If you really know me, you will know[b] my Father as well. From now on, you do know him and have seen him.”
8 Philip said, “Lord, show us the Father and that will be enough for us.”
9 Jesus answered: “Don’t you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’? 10 Don’t you believe that I am in the Father, and that the Father is in me? The words I say to you I do not speak on my own authority. Rather, it is the Father, living in me, who is doing his work. 11 Believe me when I say that I am in the Father and the Father is in me; or at least believe on the evidence of the works themselves. 12 Very truly I tell you, whoever believes in me will do the works I have been doing, and they will do even greater things than these, because I am going to the Father. 13 And I will do whatever you ask in my name, so that the Father may be glorified in the Son. 14 You may ask me for anything in my name, and I will do it.
Not a thing there about allah or mohammed, but in 2 John we are told “7 I say this because many deceivers, who do not acknowledge Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh, have gone out into the world. Any such person is the deceiver and the antichrist. 8 Watch out that you do not lose what we[a] have worked for, but that you may be rewarded fully. 9 Anyone who runs ahead and does not continue in the teaching of Christ does not have God; whoever continues in the teaching has both the Father and the Son. 10 If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not take them into your house or welcome them. 11 Anyone who welcomes them shares in their wicked work.
That Scripture specificly warns against welcoming any one who does NOT Believe Jesus is God who came to the earth in human form to die on the Cross and be resureccted to atone for our sins. Islam believes Jesus was merely a prophet, and did not die on the cross. So NO islam warrior, Jesus did not teach to respect other religions!
BIBLE
“Eating pork is forbidden (Deuteronomy 14:8)”
Who cares? The focus of this site will not change.
Good post! The political correct dhimwits always compares the two religions and often emphasize that they have the same roots and by this is implying that there isn’t really much difference between them. In reality mahound and Jesus are more like night and day.
May I add that not only are Mohammad and Jesus like night and day, the Islamic God Allah is the antithesis of the Biblical God Yehewah. The Biblical God has the following characteristics: God is love. He wants a personal relationship with each and every human. He wants us to choose to love, obey and worship him. He forgives our sins when we ask for forgiveness. He is the source of goodness, but not evil. He tolerates evil but is not the source of evil. God is all powerful and omnipresent.
The Biblical God is part of the trinity because he has come to humans in 3 different forms. The Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit, and he resides in heaven. In contrast the Islamic God Allah is hate and spreads hate, he wants to be worshiped and our submission, he doesn’t want a relationship with humans, he doesn’t for give sins, he is the source of all good and evil, and he resides in hell and takes pleasure in punishing the unbelievers/sinners. Just to name a few of their differences.
This is an excellent article by Mr. Palme. There’s only one thing missing from his list and that coverage of the halal/haram issue.
In the New Testament, Jesus is recorded as saying that its not what goes into your mouth that makes you unclean but what comes out of it. (Note that the Bible does say elsewhere that food offered to another god or gods should not be consumed.)
Compare this to Mahound’s vast list of halal and haram things (not just food but animals, etc). Note that Mahound also swam in a well in Mecca where the locals dumped their menstrual rags and dog carcasses, etc.
Gary, please remember any reference Yeshua (Jesus to Christians… I’m Messianic Jew), such as “if you love me obey my commands” were said when the Christian New Testament DID NOT EXIST. So the rules or sayings all had to be interpreted in light of the Torah ( Old Testament). So when he said that all food is clean, he was referring to that which had already been defined as food in the Torah (OT). By that definition food is clean, and things listed as unclean were not food.
Beyond this I know nothing about Muslim restrictions on food.
Ramon, thanks for pointing that out.
The arselifter concept of halal and haram is principally based on the Jewish dietary guidelines (Mahound copied them when he was trying to get the Jews to Yathrib to join his cult) but some were extended/changed and it not only involves food. Thus things like saliva, mucus and menses blood are covered – as well as singing, dancing, etc.
Thank you for this excellent article. I shall read, mark, learn and inwardly digest and then hopefully have the opportunity to pass on this excellent knowledge.
There’s also an exhaustive list here –
http://www.dianedew.com/islam.htm
If Jews and Christians reacted to perceived blasphemy the way Muslims do worldwide, the United States would be reduced to a smoking heap of rubble…in a New York minute.
Muslim assertions about Christianity and Judaism are inevitably blasphemous.
If we had Christian or Judaic theocracies in place, Muslims would probably suffer in horrible ways.
Instead, we embraced reason.
Muslims bitch and moan . . . even louder.
Because in so doing, we created a world in which they and their ideas have no dignity or place.
In other words, we have made their blasphemy laws look like the stupid rubbish that they are.
Free speech forever.
And ever.
Good and timely comparison.
Nice humane teachings by Christ.
This whole episode shows that Muslim Supremacists will go to any length to deceive Non Muslims for their ultimate goal.
And it could have been more illuminating if the author equally has written about how Koran makes a mockery of Jesus and Moses.
Muslims say they revere Jesus. But the truth is that they revere the Jesus as laid in the Koran, not according to Bible (Or New Testament).
This, they never say.
Convenience, I guess.
CHRISTOPHER LOGAN,
I am a silent reader of this site for past two years(including islaminaction). I have understood the pain of Islam. The reason why I am contacting you is, last week I have seen a young, innnocent teenager in a mall with a man looks like a Muslim. I beleive this may be a part of Love Jihad.
Is there any organization which can help prevent this lady from joining in hell?
I have noted the car number. Please mail me.
Thanks
Raj
A really great book to read about the differences between the Muslim God and Christian God is Revelation by Mark Durie, it will definitely show you that we do not believe in the same God. It is must reading if you want to know the truth. Can find it at http://www.cityharvest.org.au or http://www.markdurie.com . elmore
Very good, Logan!
He would tell them to go and sin no more!
“The world trade center was destroyed by muslims in the name of their religion.” – A lot of horrible things have been done “in the name of” Christianity, too. So we shouldn’t have Churches, right? THESE people do not agree that that the 9/11 attacks were done in the name of Islam, so why punish them because OTHER people said
Christianity is not the threat, Islam is. So how about dealing in today? The Imam is pro-Sharia, that right there should be enough to close it.
Why is it a surprise to anyone that this lowsy president of ours would support the building of a structure of death. Obama has done absolutely nothing for this country except make it worse.He is just another BS’er politician
allah is an excuse for murder
maybe Islam does teach violence, but not all Islamic people are bad, some of them could do what Jesus commanded, even if they never read the Bible. The Bible teaches us vigilant against the evil of yag things, but the bible is more focused on love, we should not insult them, because the Lord Jesus did not restrict who may receive salvation, even among us all be more faithful they are often humiliated and lowest .
“Lord Jesus did not restrict who may receive salvation”
Mat 10:33 But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.
If they are islamic they have indeed denied Him and therefore are denied salvation.
Here are my insults to Islam:
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Sahih al-Bukhari 2785—Narrated Abu Hurairah: A man came to Allah’s Messenger and said, “Guide me to such a deed as equals Jihad (in reward).” He replied, “I do not find such a deed.”
Sahih al-Bukhari 2787—Allah guarantees that He will admit the Mujahid in His Case into Paradise if he is killed, otherwise He will return him to his home safely with rewards and war booty.”
Sahih al-Bukhari 2795—Narrated Anas bin Malik: The Prophet said, “Nobody who dies and finds good from Allah (in the Hereafter) would wish to come back to this world, even if he were given the whole world and whatever is in it, except the martyr who, on seeing the superiority of martyrdom, would like to come back to the world and get killed again (in Allah’s cause).”
Sahih al-Bukhari 2796—Narrated Anas: The Prophet said, “A single endeavor (of fighting) in Allah’s cause in the afternoon or in the forenoon is better than all the world and whatever is in it.”
Sahih al-Bukhari 2797—Narrated Abu Hurairah: The Prophet said, . . . “By Him in Whose Hands my soul is! I would love to be martyred in Allah’s Cause and then come back to life and then get martyred, and then come back to life again and then get martyred and then come back to life again and then get martyred.”
Sahih al-Bukhari 2810—Narrated Abu Musa: A man came to the Prophet and asked, “A man fights for war booty; another fights for fame and a third fights for showing off; which of them is in Allah’s Cause?” The Prophet said, “He who fights that Allah’s Word (i.e., Allah’s religion of Islamic Monotheism) be superior, is in Allah’s Cause.”
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Muslims deny Christ.
They deny that the Word was made flesh.
They deny that Christ was crucified.
They deny his resurrection.
Not all Islamic people are bad.
Not all Germans living under Hitler were bad either.
Not all the Japanese under the militarists were bad in 1920-1945 either.
Their goodness did not matter, because the direction of their societies was conquest, debasement, and evil.
Do you understand that the import of the verses above tells you that the individual has no worth in himself?
If you are Westerner, and you are honest with yourself, you cannot allow such thoughts to go unchallenged.
@eib AMEN!
What you say is wrong, because Islam is a symbol of peace and love, and those perpetrators of terrorist acts do not belong to Islam and Muhammad is innocent of them
Mohammad was as self-professed terrorist. Read the ahadith.
How do you justify being part of a religion that allows rape?
blieve me …..i’m a muslim and
I read the New Testament and the former also
Poor, poor Muslims. You have a pagan religion and worship a pagan deity that offers no hope, no salvation, no peace, and no divine direction. Muhammad is revered by you as a great prophet, yet the least of Adonai’s prophetic messengers was far greater!!! A mere stone in the land of Israel shall be declared a greater descendant of father Abraham than any worshiper of the imp demon, allah.
The deity of Islam is nothing more than an evil (djinn) principality cast out of the presence of Adonai. Even Muhammad questioned whether his visions were from a demon, and in Surah 52 we find the infamous ‘Satanic Verses’ that offer a vivid answer to the world. That answer is an obvious “YES” … Muhammad was deceived by Satan!!! In the hadith we learn that Muhammad then fabricated another ‘Arabian Nights Fairy Tale’ and declared that all ‘prophets’ succumbed, as he did, to the wiles of Satan. This is obviously a most damnable lie from a false prophet after being caught teaching another error. Poor Muhammad did not have the Ruach HaCodesh to guide him, and without such, easily fell prey (as did Baalim) to the doctrines of demons. All this was predicted centuries before Muhammad was born, and the very words of Adonai still continue to be fulfilled to this very day and beyond.
Islam has been rasied for this purpose, yet Muslims can still come out of Islam’s darkness and be blessed (all the earth) as promised to father Abraham through the son of promise, Yitzchak. Eschew the false teachings of Islam and find true peace, real hope, true divine direction, and the salvation promised to all who love Adonai!!!
All Muslims believe in Jesus, in the end of the world jesus will descend on earth and it will break the cross and all Christians will always be Muslims …. Christians and mususlmans are best friends in the story you must read the Holy Quran and the hadith with your heart and never was a terrorist mohammed
Did it ever cross your mind that millions of Christians do not want to be of Islam?
I have read the scriptures, and Islam tells Muslims not to befriend Christians and Jews.
https://loganswarning.com/2010/12/08/islam-101-islam-respects-other-religions/
Mohammad was a self-professed terrorist.
Bukhari Hadith Volume 4, Book 52, Number 220:
Narrated Abu Huraira:
Allah’s Apostle said, “I have been sent with the shortest expressions bearing the widest meanings, and I have been made victorious with terror (cast in the hearts of the enemy), and while I was sleeping, the keys of the treasures of the world were brought to me and put in my hand.” Abu Huraira added: Allah’s Apostle has left the world and now you, people, are bringing out those treasures (i.e. the Prophet did not benefit by them).
The Islamic version of Jesus is not the Jesus of Christianity. Islam is just a con, because God would not want Jesus to destroy the religion he created.
i read the bible
and i read all the ahadith
you have not understood the hadith dear Admin
Prove it.
i love Jesus and i love all the christiens
Then you are not being a good Muslim.
https://loganswarning.com/2010/12/08/islam-101-islam-respects-other-religions/
and i will stop the war between the muslims and the christiens
you must help me to stop this war please ….i’m muslim and i visit the church
Sorry, you don’t get to change the Islamic scriptures. Leave Islam.
you must help me to stop this war please ….
No one comes to the Father except those who know him through the Son.
There is no God except the Father, Son and Holy Spirit.
Jesus is the Son of God.
He was the Son of God before Islam, and always will be.
He will return to judge the living and the dead– not to destroy the cross.
Islam is profane.
Mohammed is a false prophet.
Allah is a spirit of the world.
Islam is submission and only earthly victories.
It holds no salvation from sin because it does not believe in redemption from sin.
Salvation is the reason for Christ and Christianity. Without salvation, sin, confession and redemption, there is no hope for any soul.
The water of baptism takes away all sin.
In Islam, there is only shifting sand.
ever, dear admin I think you have not read the hadiths and you can not read, so give me a hadith which proves that Islam accepts rape
Since I am responded to you obviously I can read.
The Koran and Hadith support rape.
https://loganswarning.com/2010/03/20/islam-101-the-religion-of-rape/
it’s called al jihad, and who make terrorism, God will punish him
It is still rape, and you do not have the moral courage to condemn it.
Mohammad made terrorism. God will punish him.
Bukhari Hadith Volume 4, Book 52, Number 220:
Narrated Abu Huraira:
Allah’s Apostle said, “I have been sent with the shortest expressions bearing the widest meanings, and I have been made victorious with terror (cast in the hearts of the enemy), and while I was sleeping, the keys of the treasures of the world were brought to me and put in my hand.” Abu Huraira added: Allah’s Apostle has left the world and now you, people, are bringing out those treasures (i.e. the Prophet did not benefit by them).
Came in the Book of Revelation of the New Testament (Rev. 19/15, 11) is translated: “Then I saw heaven opened, and if a white horse rider called the name of (sincere Secretary) spent fighting and justice …” .what you call this hein ??!!!
Came in the Gospel of John (John: 6 / 27) to indicate that the Prophet of the end of time carries the Seal of Prophethood between his shoulders, so as translated: “Do not seek a behind the food mortal, but behind the food, the rest to eternal life, which give you to him the Son of Man as this may put God’s seal upon.
Jesus Christ will break the cross, because what the Bible has changed my respect I say that Islam is the true religion
Is Allah perfect?
“If you love me, obey my commandments, and I ask of the Father, he will give you another Counselor to be with you forever, the Spirit of truth” [John 14: 15-7.
the sincere secretary is Mohamed, and i see : all the prophetes are a brothers and friends
If you do not start thinking for yourself, and answering my questions this conversation will be over.
The God of Christianity would not want the religion he or she started destroyed.
Yassine, the verse you quote speaks of the Holy Spirit, NOT Mohamed. I am working on n article using Scripture from our Holy Bible, and verses fom the qur’an and hadith. When I finish and post the blog you need to read it. Maybe you will learn something. The title is ” Isa of the qur’an is NOT Jesus Christ!” When I finish it you can find it here: http://surroundthemwithprayer.blogspot.com/2011/06/about-surround-them-with-prayer.html?spref=bl
The next article after that one is posted is titled “Islam, The Mark of The Beast” again using The Holy Bible, the qur’an and hadith to prove that point.
I Pray something will open your eyes and your heart and get you away from the EVIL that is islam before its to late!!
“We sent, following the prophets, Isa son of Mary, confirming what was before him in the Torah. We gave him the Gospel where there is a direction and a light, confirming that was in the Torah before him: a guidance and admonition for the righteous “(Surah Al-Maidah verse 46). it is in the Koran.
Surah 61:6
“And when Jesus son of Mary said:” O Children of Israel, I’m really a messenger of God to you, confirming what is before me of the Torah, and announcing a messenger to come after me , whose name will be ‘Glorious’ (or Ahmad) “
This is a false teaching, it is not confirmed by the eye witnesses of the Christ event. And do not try to use the Book of Acts for this, or anything about the Holy Spirit. Those references are in no way connected to mohammad and very clearly about the Spirit of God. This is clearly one reason why the quran is not reliable. It is false doctrine, from a false god, with a false prophet.
Mmmmmm…..i think you must respect our religion !!!
That is not going to happen.
Not on your life
“This is clearly one reason why the quran is not reliable. It is false doctrine, from a false god, with a false prophet.”
What in this statement could possibly indicate that I respect your filthy ideology.
if Jésus-Christ is the son of God who is the son of man ….?
God in the flesh. 100%God, 100%man. Something that only one who has genuine creation power can do. What is impossible for man to do is possible for God to provide.
Here are 12 proven that Muhammad is a prophet of Allah:
1. Muhammad (May Allah’s blessings and peace be upon him) was raised illiterate, unable to read or write, and remained that way until his death. Of all his people, he was known as being truthful and trustworthy. Before receiving revelation, he had no prior knowledge of religion or any message sent previously. He stayed like that for the first time in forty years. Then came the revelation of Mahomet with the Koran that we now have in our hands. The Koran mentioned most accounts earlier in the Scriptures, to tell us about these events in great detail as if he had witnessed. These accounts have been precisely because they were found in the Torah sent to Moses and the Gospel sent to Jesus. Neither the Jews or the Christians were able to deny him regarding anything that he said.
2. Muhammad (May Allah’s blessings and peace be upon him) also announced what would happen to him and his community after him, referring to the victory, the removal of the tyrannical kingdoms of Chosroes [the royal title for Zoroastrian kings of Persia] and Caesar, and the establishment of the religion of Islam throughout the earth. These events occurred exactly as Muhammad foretold, as if he was reading the future of an open book.
3. Muhammad (May Allah’s blessings and peace be upon him) also brought an Arabic Koran is the peak of eloquence and clarity. The Koran challenged those eloquent and fluent Arabs of his time, who initially denied it, to create a single chapter like the Koran. The eloquent Arabs of his day were not able to challenge the Qur’an.
Indeed, until now, none has ever dared to claim that he was able to compose words that equal or even approach the order, grace, beauty and splendor of this Glorious Quran.
4. The story of the life of this noble Prophet was a perfect example of being upright, merciful, compassionate, truthful, courageous, generous, far from all evil character, and ascetic in the world in all areas, while striving only for the reward of the Hereafter. In addition, in all its actions and relations, he was never conscious and fear Allah.
5. Allah instilled great love for Muhammad (May Allah’s blessings and peace be upon him) in the heart of all who believe in him and met. This love reached such a degree that one of his companions willingly sacrifice his (or her) self, mother or father for him.
Until now, those who believe in Muhammad honor and love him. Anyone who believes in him shall not ransom from his family and wealth to see him, but even once.
6. All of history has not preserved the biography of every person in the way it has preserved the life of Mohammed, which is the most influential man in history.
Nor has the entire earth known of anyone whom every morning and every evening, and many times thereafter throughout the day, is considered by those who believe in him. On remembrance of Muhammad, the believers in him will greet him and ask Allah to bless him. They have for example with the heart and true love for him.
7. It has not been an every man on earth that is still followed in all his actions by those who believe in him.
Those who believe in Muhammad, sleep in the manner he slept; purify themselves (through ablution and ritual washing) in the manner he purified himself and to comply with its practice in the how they eat, drink, and clothing.
Indeed, in all aspects of their lives, the believers in Muhammad adhere to the teaching, he spread among them and the path he has traveled throughout his life.
In each generation of his day to the present day, the believers in this Noble Prophet have fully adhered to his teachings. With some it has reached the level they wish to follow and adhere to the path of the Prophet in his staff regarding the issues that Allah has not sought of them to join the cult. For example, some only eat those specific foods or only those who wear clothing that the Messenger liked.
Not to mention all of this, all who believe in Muhammad repeat those praises of Allah, prayers and invocations that he would say during each of his actions during the day and night, like: what he said when he welcomed people at the entrance and leaving home, entering and leaving the mosque, entering and leaving the bathroom, sleep and causes sleep, in compliance with the new crescent in respect of new fruit on trees, eating, drinking, dressing, riding, travel and return travel, etc.
Not to mention all of this, all who believe in Muhammad fully implement even in minute detail every act of worship such as prayer, fasting, charity, and pilgrimage, as the noble Messenger (may blessings of Allah and peace be upon him) taught and as he himself has done.
All of this allows those who believe in him, to live their lives in all aspects of this noble Messenger suit, as if standing before them, for them to follow in all their actions.
8. There never was nor-there a man anywhere on this earth who has received such love, respect, honor, and obedience to all the questions, big and small, even as it has the noble Prophet.
9. Since his time, in all regions of the earth and during every period, this Noble Prophet has been followed by people of all races, colors and peoples. Many of those who followed him were previously Christians, Jews, pagans, idolaters, or without religion. Among those who chose to follow him, were those known to be common sense, wisdom, reflection and foresight. They chose to follow this Noble Prophet after they saw the signs of his veracity and the evidence of his miracles. They did not choose to follow Muhammad of duress or coercion or because they had adopted the ways of their fathers and mothers.
Indeed, many followers of the Prophet (May Allah’s blessings peace be upon him), chose to follow him during the time when Islam is weak, when there were few Muslims, and when there had severe persecution of his followers on earth. Most people who followed the Prophet (May Allah’s blessings and peace be upon him) did not acquire some material benefits. In fact, many of his followers have suffered the greatest forms of harm and persecution as a result of following this Prophet. Despite damage and persecution, not turn back from his religion.
My brothers! All this makes clear to anyone with a sense that this Prophet was truly and really Allah’s Messenger and it was not just a man who claimed to prophesy or speak about Allah without knowledge.
10. With all this, Muhammad came with a great religion in its legal CREDAL and makeup.
Muhammad described Allah with qualities of complete perfection, and at the same time, in a manner that is free to assign any imperfection. Neither the philosophers or the wise could ever describe Allah like such. Indeed, it is impossible to imagine that any human mind can conceive of a being that possesses such complete ability, knowledge, and greatness, which subjected the creation, which has encompassed everything in the universe large and small, and has such parfait thank you.
It is not in the capacity of every human being in the place a perfect law based on justice, equality, mercy and objectivity for all human activity on earth like the laws that Muhammad for all areas of human activity – like buying and selling, marriage and divorce, renting, testimony, custody, and all other contracts that are necessary to protect life and of civilization on earth.
11. It is impossible that any person conceive wisdom, morals, good manners, noble character of this noble Prophet (May Allah’s blessings and peace be upon him) brought.
In a full and complete, Muhammad spread a teaching regarding character and manners toward one of the parents, relatives, fiends, family, humanity, animals, plants and inanimate objects. It is impossible for the human mind alone to grasp all that teaching or come with a similar teaching.
This indicates clearly that the Messenger did not introduce a) of this religion on its own initiative, but was rather a teaching and inspiration he received from the person who created the heavens and the earth above and created this universe in its miraculous architecture and perfection.
12. The legal and CREDAL makeup of religion that the Messenger Muhammad (May Allah’s blessings and peace be upon him) is like the engineering of the heavens and the earth. All this indicates that He who created the heavens and the earth is the one who sent down this great law and religion in an upright position.
I will ask you one more time. Is Allah perfect?
Nothing you have said here is PROOF. This is nothing but anecdotal hear-say and offers nothing constructive at all. You could make this kind of fiction up about anything. This is only proof of manipulation.
and ….i say Allah is perfect !!!
If he is perfect, why didn’t he or she just come out with the Koran only and not the Bible first? If Allah were perfect, he or she wouldn’t have to instruct Muslims to lie.
If Allah is perfect, why does he need people with savage intent to carry out his dirty work? Not a very high level of evolution in my opinion.
How much thinking for yourself do you indulge in?
So now since you are the spokesman for allah, maybe you can explain why allah, finds murder, rape, oppression, domination, and subjugation as a perfect way. allah has prescribed all these things for people. If allah is perfect then what he prescribes for people is perfect too. Right? So how do you explain this. And don’t try to deviate to another subject, just speak for allah alone.
Father as you said, it is Allah in our religion
Islam tell us to love all the prophets, even David and Solomon
The Jesus of Islam is not the Jesus of Christianity. As the Jesus of Christianity would not be OK with his people being dominated. (Koran verse 9:29).
SO, who’s that Jesus in the koran , please ????
Not the Historical Jesus of the 1st Century.
I think I am the only Muslim in this conversation?
what do you think about the Antichrist?
mohammad will be proud of him. He will follow allah quite closely. Decapitation is just one of the “earmarks” they both share.
The Islamic deity known as allah is one of the fallen cast out from the presence of Adonai. The anti-christ is referred to as the Assyrian in the Tanach, and may be the Islamic Issa (Isa, or Aessa, or whatever.) to come out of modern Syria. The least of the prophets of Israel was greater than any prophet ever to come from Islam, including the demented and demon possessed Muhammad. In Surah 52 we see that Muhammad was definitely inspired by the evil one. In the hadith (e.g. Sahih Bukhari Volume 8: #s 335, 379, 407, and 408) we see that he admits that he was a sinner. In short, Muhammad was possessed by a ‘lying spirit,’ just as he feared early on in his ‘ministry.’
Since Adonai does not fear allah or any of the other fallen who have set themselves up as pagan objects of worship, and since they will all be judged at the ‘last trump;’ all their lying priests and prophets will also be judged for all their lies and deceit. Muhammad will be one of the chief offenders to be judged. The rise of and the future of the ummah has been predicted throughout the Tanach; and the future looks pretty dismal for those crying out for the extermination of Israel. Islam is the new Assyrian Empire, Babylonian Empire, Mede-Persian Empire, Roman Empire, Ottoman Empire, and Third Reich all rolled into one. Where are they all now??? In the end, Islam will be brought down to the dust along with the Mahdi, Isa, Muhammad, and all who utter … “Come,” they say, “let us destroy them as a nation, so that Israel’s name is remembered no more.” Islam’s near future is revealed in many of the writings of the tanach; but none so graphic as Ezekiel chs. 38 & 39. Shall I fear Adonai or the imp demon allah??? As for me and my family; we will choose Adonai!!! Baruch atah Adonai melech haolam …!!!
Well said DS!
Hi old friend 🙂 . Thanks for all of your great comments!
Yassine you can find out exactly what I think of the antichrist the article here:
http://surroundthemwithprayer.blogspot.com/
forget all that and I suggest you my dear Admin as we begin a new page and I think we’ll be best friends
Nothing you say is going to change the focus of this site.
I do not want to change anything
Do you condemn Sharia Law?
with all the respect to the one who wrote the article, I don’t know why you were very selective when it came to bible and you were nothing like that when it came to quran.
first of all, know that Hitler was a devout christian who killed the six millions poor Jews in the name God.
I dare any christian to give a reply to these biblical verses, I will not put any comment just the verses:
Leviticus 20:9 “For every one that curseth his father or his mother shall be surely put to death: he hath cursed his father or his mother; his blood shall be upon him.”
“If any man come to me, and not hate his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sister, yet, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple” (Luke 14:26).
“You shall not make any cuttings in your flesh on account of the dead or tattoo any marks upon you. I am the Lord”–Leviticus 19:28)
Eating pork is forbidden (Deuteronomy 14:8)
“If a man lies with a male as with a women, both of them shall be put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their lives.”
Whoever strikes his father or mother shall be put to death. (Exodus 21:15 NAB)
If a man commits adultery with another man’s wife, both the man and the woman must be put to death. (Leviticus 20:10 NLT)
Whoever sacrifices to any god, except the Lord alone, shall be doomed. (Exodus 22:19 NAB)
Make ready to slaughter his sons for the guilt of their fathers; Lest they rise and posses the earth, and fill the breadth of the world with tyrants. (Isaiah 14:21 NAB)
“Then I heard the LORD say to the other men, “Follow him through the city and kill everyone whose forehead is not marked. Show no mercy; have no pity! Kill them all – old and young, girls and women and little children. But do not touch anyone with the mark. Begin your task right here at the Temple.” So they began by killing the seventy leaders. “Defile the Temple!” the LORD commanded. “Fill its courtyards with the bodies of those you kill! Go!” So they went throughout the city and did as they were told.” (Ezekiel 9:5-7 NLT)
I conclude with:
“Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword” MATTHEW 10:34
Hitler was not a Christian, and was helped out by the Mufti of Jerusalem.
A major reason Hitler opposed Christianity was because Hitler saw Christianity and Science as diametrically opposed to each other (Azar, 1990, p. 154). He concluded science would win, and the Christian church would eventually in due time be destroyed. Hitler even believed science was the creation of the German race. Hitler was trying to use science — especially Darwinism — to create a utopia on Earth, and he made it absolutely clear that there would be “no place in this utopia for the Christian Churches” in his plans for the future of Germany.
http://www.trueorigin.org/hitler01.asp
The Bible is made up of stories of those times, while the Koran states that actions of Mohammad the terrorist are to be followed for all times. Slight difference there.
Again I say “with all the respect”. With a zero amount of tolerance we can never reach a common ground. Being prejudgmental is likely to lead us all stray and it can even make coexistence on earth impossible.
The first enemy of Muslims & non-Muslims is ignorance; most of us are ignorant of our own beliefs and history, if the following are the very words of Hitler, what will we do?
“We were convinced that the people needs and requires this faith. We have therefore undertaken the fight against the atheistic movement, and that not merely with a few theoretical declarations: we have stamped it out.”
( Adolf Hitler, in a speech delivered in Berlin, October 24, 1933; from Norman H. Baynes, ed., The Speeches of Adolf Hitler, April 1922-August 1939. Vol. 1. Oxford: Oxford University Press, 1942, p. 378. )
“I say: my Christian feeling tells me that my lord and savior is a warrior. It calls my attention to the man who, lonely and surrounded by only a few supporters, recognized what they [the Jews] were, and called for a battle against them, and who, by God, was not the greatest sufferer, but the greatest warrior. . .
“As a human being it is my duty to see to it that humanity will not suffer the same catastrophic collapse as did that old civilization two thousand years ago, a civilization which was driven to its ruin by the Jews. . . I am convinced that I am really a devil and not a Christian if I do not feel compassion and do not wage war, as Christ did two thousand years ago, against those who are steeling and exploiting these poverty-stricken people.
“Two thousand years ago a man was similarly denounced by this particular race which today denounces and blasphemes all over the place. . . That man was dragged before a court and they said: he is arousing the people! So he, too, was an agitator!”
( Adolf Hitler, in a speech delivered on April 12, 1922; from Charles Bracelen Flood, Hitler: The Path to Power, Boston, Mass: Houghton Mifflin Company, 1989, pp. 261-262. )
These words are for example but not limited to.
Let’s assume that Mohammed was indisputably a terrorist, as what you indisputably stated, did Mohammed’s followers invade two continents, the two Americas, and massacred Indians, native Americans, in the name of God? Did Mohammed followers force Indians and Inca people to worship God and deny them worshiping their own gods? (Quran states it clearly “there is no compulsion in the religion”) Did Mohammed’s followers colonized most of Africa and washed it out of its natural resources? Did Mohammed’s followers lead or even engage in the WORLD WAR 1 & 2, which both lead to the death of 60 million people?
These words are for example but not limited to.
I am in need of a definite proof that the biblical verses should not be taken out of the time, context and the circumstances in which they happened, while Quran should be. Do you mean that a Christian who strikes his/her father in the past should be put to death, and the Christian who strikes his father at present should not be put to death? What is the proof?
When it comes to Christianity Hitler spoke out of both sides of his mouth.
http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/1699/was-hitler-a-christian
You pointing out to other wars does not make the threat of Islam to non-Muslims disappear.
The Koran also call for the dominance of non-Muslim as per Koran verse 9:29.
The proof is that the message of Jesus was one of peace. Mohammad not so, and Koran verse 33:21 calls for Muslims to follow his actions for all times.
You are wasting your time here. I will continue to rally people against Islam.
yes, it seems so, you know? I thought that it was a site of constructive discussion, but unfortunately it’s not like that at all, actually it’s irrational, because you have already prejudged it.
what you say is opposed by bible itself
“Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword” MATTHEW 10:34
I have done my homework and made up my mind. Opposing Islam is very rational. Do you condemn Mohammad for being a rapist?
It is about enemies. Not dominating ALL people like Islam.
http://www.answering-islam.org/BibleCom/mt10-34.html
Your hate for the Bible does not answer for the desire of islam to dominate non muslims. Islam’s goal is to acquire all the earth for allah and make all people worship allah. But you know this already. Either you will become a willing subject to allah or you already are.
Please Mr. New crusader
will surprise you if I tell you that I do believe in and love the Bible?
you just prejudged me, know that the number of Christians who were killed by Christians themselves in the middle ages is estimated by Voltaire to be 10 million!!!
Sorry, but I a much more concerned with today over the Middle Ages. But since you want to go into past history Muslims have killed much more than that.
http://www.politicalislam.com/tears/pages/tears-of-jihad/
Nothing you say will change the focus of this site.
I had realized that even before you told me, yes, you are not much different from Muslim extremists.
There is major difference. I don’t want to impose a barbaric set of religious laws on all.
Do you condemn Mohammad for being a rapist?
Do you think it is OK for a nine year-old girl to sex?
My answer is still the same. The muslims, with the quran as support, muhammad as a guide, have determined that now is the time to aquire the world for allah, and cause all to submit to allah. This site has done very well at documenting this desire, and much more. You may consider some of this out of context but really the only good aheo in thy eyes of islam is a subjected or dead aheo. There is no shortage of examples from the muslim world. Christian against Christian, Jew against Jew, middle ages, cursades, all just distractions. Good history to know, but it does nothing to change the actions of islam today.
see, it seems we will not finish it at all, you have a lot to say and me too.
peace be upon us all.
You ducking my questions say a lot.
sorry, but it’s very obvious, it was a norm at that time not a taboo like now, it was never reported that even a single of Mohammed enemies, at that time, criticized him of doing so, it’s exactly like what you said a story of it’s time.
It was the norm to rape? I don’t think so. Right, they were happy to be raped….
Point out where I said it was a story of it’s time. I didn’t, and the taking of sex slaves is legal under Islamic Law.
https://loganswarning.com/2010/03/20/islam-101-the-religion-of-rape/
You don’t even have the moral courage to condemn Mohammad for rape, and yet you want respect and for your view to be heard….
hey buddy, it’s so repetitive, it seems we will not finish it till the day of judgement.
USA is much Greater and more wonderful than your way thinking.
In case you did not notice more and more Americans are turning against Islam.
Do you condemn Mohammad for being a rapist? Of course you do not, you do not have the moral courage to do so.
I can’t pass up a good challenge; so I will attempt to answer in multiple parts to allow for space limits. Also, since all this information can be easily obtained at various web sites by various search engines, I have refrained from citing most of the URLs the information was gleened from during my searches. I have found that Muslims and their apologists tend to take passages out of context to the extrme in order to win a point. Now, on to aheo’s Challenge:
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“ … I dare any christian to give a reply to these biblical verses, I will not put any comment just the verses: … “
Leviticus 20:9 “For every one that curseth his father or his mother shall be surely put to death: he hath cursed his father or his mother; his blood shall be upon him.”
“You shall not make any cuttings in your flesh on account of the dead or tattoo any marks upon you. I am the Lord”–Leviticus 19:28)
Eating pork is forbidden (Deuteronomy 14:8)
“If a man lies with a male as with a women, both of them shall be put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their lives.”
Whoever strikes his father or mother shall be put to death. (Exodus 21:15 NAB)
If a man commits adultery with another man’s wife, both the man and the woman must be put to death. (Leviticus 20:10 NLT)
Whoever sacrifices to any god, except the Lord alone, shall be doomed. (Exodus 22:19 NAB)
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In Judaism, the Mosaic Covenant or Sinaitic Covenant refers to the covenant between God and the Israelites. The establishment and stipulations of the Mosaic Covenant are recorded in the first five books of the Hebrew Bible, which are collectively called the Torah.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mosaic_Covenant
The above verses are in the Torah, and were established between the children of Yaakov (Israel); Abraham’s seed of promise. The above represent strict rules of the Covenant between the children of Israel and their G-D, Ha Shem. They also reflect the harsh consequences of disobedience, especially if they would stray after pagan deities in the land that they would inhabit as well as those in Egypt, where they had been for 400 years (=/-). Some of these pagan deities may be familiar to you: Aion; Dagon; Baal; Hubal; Tammuz; Nanna; Suen; Asimbabbar; al-Lat; al-Uzza; Manat; al-ilah (shortened to allah in pre-Islamic times); and a host of others. At times all mankind may have failed at one or more of the above prohibitions. HaShem would punish (or allow the goyim/pagans to punish) the Israelites severely for their disobedience; but in the end HaShem promised
to restore them to the land of promise.
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Another verse aheo posted is below:
“ … Make ready to slaughter his sons for the guilt of their fathers; Lest they rise and posses the earth, and fill the breadth of the world with tyrants. (Isaiah 14:21 NAB) … “
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This is better understood in the context of the other verses surrounding this verse. Unlike the Qur’an, which many times has passages completely unrelated to adjoining passages, and displays an unclear exegesis; the Tanach reveals passages with multiple meanings and connotations. The surrounding passages in Yeshayahu (Isaiah) 14 reveal the true meaning of this verse in context.
From Yeshayahu (Isaiah) 14:
12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O day-star, son of the morning! How art thou cut down to the ground, that didst cast lots over the nations!
13 And thou saidst in thy heart: ‘I will ascend into heaven, above the stars of G-d will I exalt my throne, and I will sit upon the mount of meeting, in the uttermost parts of the north
14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the Most High.’
15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to the nether-world, to the uttermost parts of the pit.
16 They that saw thee do narrowly look upon thee, they gaze earnestly at thee: ‘Is this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms;
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22 And I will rise up against them, saith HaShem of hosts, and cut off from Babylon name and remnant, and offshoot and offspring, saith HaShem.
These verses are a double reference to Lucifer as well as Babylon. Lucifer is the father of all lies and paganism . Babylon was destroyed and replaces by the Mede-Persian Empire.
We remember that in:
Daniel Chapter 5
:23 but you have exalted yourself against the Lord of heaven; and they have brought the vessels of His house before you, and you and your nobles, your wives and your concubines have been drinking wine from them; and you have praised the gods of silver and gold, of bronze, iron, wood and stone, which do not see, hear or understand. But the God in whose hand are your life-breath and all your ways, you have not glorified.
:24 “Then the hand was sent from Him and this inscription was written out.
:25 “Now this is the inscription that was written out: ‘ MENE, MENE, TEKEL, UPHARSIN
:26 “This is the interpretation of the message: ‘MENE’—God has numbered your kingdom and put an end to it.
:27 ” ‘TEKEL’—you have been weighed on the scales and found deficient
More to follow:
you need not to follow , to your good luck or bad luck, I don’t really know, the matter is I do believe in the old and new testament!!!
I meant to put these biblical verse without any comment in order to point out that no verses from Torah, Bible and Quran should ever be taken out of context. unfortunately no one could get what I was pointing at. Interesting!
you people are just destroying our western culture by adopting zero-tolerance attitude!
Islam is what will destroy Western Civilization.
dude, your way of debating, if it’s legitimate to call it debating, is against my American liberal attitudes.
1. I really do not care.
2. Do you condemn Mohammad for being a rapist?
3. If you do not like what you read here, do not come here.
The American liberal attitude (bases primarily on imaginary outcomes) is what is paving the way for a muslim advance in this country.
You’ve made lots of assertions but have yet to prove your point. Your statement of “believe in and love the Bible” is just as easily rendered as a statement of subjugation from a mulsim. You are either a willing convert to islam or are about to become one.