Christian in Egypt: ‘They Try to Kill Us’
January 26, 2010 – Dana Lewis
Egyptian Maher El-Gowhary and his 15 year old daughter Dina never pray twice at the same church, never stay longer than a month in any one apartment. They are constantly under threat, always on the run because they converted to Christianity in a largely Muslim country.Maher and Dina nervously agreed to meet us at a Church in Cairo. The priest at the Church said he feared problems from the Egyptian authorities and while he agreed to have us watch his Sunday mass, the Priest declined to speak to us about what is happening in Egypt and to the El-Gowhary’s.
They tell their story out of fear and desperation. Born Muslims they chose to convert to the Christian Church after both claim they had religious visions.
Now Maher says “Muslims try to kill us, and will kill us if they find us.”
Several religious fatwas have been issued for “spilling his blood” after Maher asked an Egyptian Court to legally recognize his conversion, so he can one day be buried as a Christian and so his daughter won’t be forced into a marriage by her Muslim mother.
The court ruled a legal conversion to Christianity would threaten public order. His lawyer told us it’s a dangerous double standard because in Egypt a Christian can convert to the Muslim faith in a week, but a Muslim cannot convert to the Christian faith.
Ten percent of Egypt is Christian, largely the Coptic Christians who increasingly say they face daunting discrimination and even death.
We had to hide our camera as we followed the El-Gowhary’s because we were told if the authorities discovered we were preparing our story we would be arrested.
Religious tensions are running high in Egypt.
On January 6th, the Coptic Christmas eve, three Muslim men sprayed gunfire at a Church in Upper Egypt killing six Christians and wounding up to a dozen more. Christians rioted the next day and the area is still closed to outsiders including the press.
Human rights activist Hussein Bahjet say’s Egypt has the potential to become like Lebanon because of growing sectarian violence.
“Civil strife that could engulf the country” Bahjet says.
The U.S. State Department reports respect of religious freedom in Egypt is declining, Christians are denied Government jobs, Priests are threatened and harassed, Christians are increasingly attacks in what State describes as “a climate of impunity that encourages violence.”
In some cases authorities turn a blind eye to attacks on Christians, in other cases there is evidence police sparked the attacks.
Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak has been largely silent about the problem, but this week he spoke out saying Egyptians must up-root “fanaticism and sectarianism, which threatens the unit of our nation.”
Dina has written a letter to President Obama which has been published on Christian websites. She has been pulled out of school. She has only a blue jean jacket to stay warm and little food to eat. Her letter was a desperate plea. “I wrote that we are a minority Christian Community treated very badly and I want to tell President Obama to tell the Egyptian Government to treat us well.”Her father Mayer says he can’t stay in Egypt anymore. He and his daughter are in such grave danger we can’t report where they are in Egypt now, or where they are planning on moving tomorrow.
In recent days the two met with the U.S. Commission on International Religious Freedom in Cairo. They asked for refugee status to get out of Egypt.
A source at the Commission say’s its a complicated matter because Dina has a Muslim mother and there are legal issues, but their request is being considered.
The Commission source also says because of religious in Egypt, last year the State Department down graded Egypt to being on a watch list. This year it could potentially be downgraded further to a Country of particular concern. That means the U.S. might even consider sanctions against a Country which receives some 2 billion dollars in U.S. aid every year.
As I write this Dina and her father are packing, moving to another area of Egypt. Out of money. And running of out hope.
Recently Albio Sires (D-NJ 13th congressional district.), released a statement addressing the persecution of the Coptic Christians. Today we learn that a 15 year-old girl from Egypt, has written to Obama asking him to address their ever worsening situation. Will Obama step up to the plate?
Everywhere you look in this world it seems, some muzleem pukes are doing something dirty to innocent people. I think islam is pure shit and should be stamped out….with EXTREME PREDJUDICE. I'd like to see an "Open Season" on those pricks.
yeah and you are the angels the ones obviously not torturing the many generations of Palestinians , the ones that ruined IRAQ for absolutely no reason . OH NO THAT certainly is not “doing something Dirty to Innocent people ” give me a break listen to yourself,,, you know what go get yourself a reality check !
America, and Israel are not perfect, but the problems that Islam brings to non-Muslims have been around centuries longer than the modern Israel-Palestine conflict, and the Iraq war.
Is Islam perfect?
OH Man that is a lie there the only problems i started hearing about was since the beginning of the so called “(9/11 attack ” since then i have heard problems of Islam where were brought by extremists who misinterpreted the So called term of “JIhad” by killing innocent people i confess that not all Muslims carry out Islam the way it should be that is the reason Islam has an image like it has today well Not all muslims carry out their religon correct , do all jews and christians carry them out right 😀
Don’t accuse me of lying, until you do some actual research on the issue. America was attacked in the name of Islam back in the late 1700’s.
During the year 1786 Thomas Jefferson and John Adams went to London to speak with Tripoli’s Ambassador Sidi Haji Abdrahaman. Jefferson and Adams asked the Ambassador
how can they make war on nations that have done nothing to them? The Ambassador replied that “It was written in their Koran, that all nations which had not acknowledged the Prophet were sinners, whom it was the right and duty of the faithful to plunder and enslave; and that every Muslim who was slain in this warfare was sure to go to paradise. He said, also, that the man who was the first to board a vessel had one slave over and above his share, and that when they sprang to the deck of an enemy’s ship, every sailor held a dagger in each hand and a third in his mouth; which usually struck such terror into the foe that they cried out for quarter at once”.
The meaning of jihad, from The Reliance of the Traveller, which has the stamp of approval of Al-Azhar.
Jihad means to war against non-Muslims, and is etymologically derived from the world mujahada, signifying warfare to establish the religion. Page 599. I will ask you again, do you know more about Islam than Al-Azhar does?
Look habiby stop mumbling about stuff you obviously dont have a clue about,, this is not the meaning of JIHAD OK !! JIhad means War on non muslims who declare to be enemies and threaten to attack against ALLAH ,Prophet , and Muslims Our religon is based on declaring war on those who have first started fire we are even allowed to kill any of the innocent who lie underneath these attackers God has stated the Quran attack only those whom hold weapons in there hands,, ask a sheikh for proof if you do not believe me h and PLEASE STOP IT WITH THE AZHAR CRAP THIS IS NOT TRUE !!
Like I said your word here means nothing, and you have no backup sources. In the meantime, I even gave you the page number. If a non-Muslim does not want to convert or pay jizya, they are an enemy of Islam. Have you even read a Koran?
I am the one who reads the Quran !!!! hey at least when i read in understand the true meaning and second of all your articles are of no proof of Al azhar comments there all just articles written on your website so please stop asking me to support sources when you dont even have any 😀
I always list my sources. They are there for all to see.
Do you condemn Islam for allowing the taking of sex slaves?
and yeah one more thing i told you to read the pages before and after and translate them and that will show you that your statement is false you seem to be picking out the verses you like in order to support you statement without continuing to read to understand the true meaning
I already proved that jizya is part of Islamic Law. The true mean is that Islam calls for the dominance of non-Muslims.
2 billion we're paying to have our guts hated by 80 million egyptians. Three cheers for …..something.
We are the suckers of the world, and our government does not care what happens to Christians.
A clearsighted american soldier stationed in Iraq speaks out about the war in Iraq, jihad, muslims and the western reaction to it.
You correctly assessed that we have not gained anything positive from our efforts in Iraq and that the nation is not our ally. (The same is true for Afghanistan.) I will go as far as saying that the Iraqis are our enemies—enemies better equipped to wage jihad against us than they have ever been. We will regret what we have done. We will regret that we created this officially Islamic nation. And we will regret that we created an officially Islamic Afghanistan. We will regret that we have placed ourselves in the service of Islam, waging jihad worldwide as we advance the Religion of Peace and eliminate Christians in the process. (So much for the accusation that the U.S. is on a “Crusade.”) It is a shame that so many people refuse to recognize how horrible Islam is, and that the U.S. made a fatal mistake when it refused to declare war against Afghanistan and Islam—when it refused victory by binding the greatest military force of all time.
http://www.dianawest.net/Home/tabid/36/EntryId/12…
Obamination, being a Muslim, cares very deeply what happens to Christians; he wants to see us murdered by Muslims.
No way in Hell will he come to the aid of those Copts. It ain't gonna happen.
It is not possible to establish and enforce global human rights without eliminating Islam from the face of the earth.
Christopher: Please check out my comment from yesterday's Germany article and contact me. I'm worried about the integrity of your site as the survey popped up right after I made my comment. I though you had approved it so I gave tyhem my banking information.
HI CGW,
I responded to your comment yesterday, I am not sure which ad you are talking though.
Oh so you are trying to tell me that all these people converted to Islam simply because they felt sympathy to cater to Muslim Sensitivities 😀 Oh god And Koran Does not Condense the taking of Sex Slaves IN ANY WAY!!!!!!!! it states about being wealth-illy ready and also having the right to have sex with your wives after rightfully marrying them > nothing here about sex slaves and do not know who in the world translates these verses for you this just proves my point you are just one those many who want to ruin the image if ISLAM even by stating LIES!
Point out where I said that, and now I will prove you wrong again.
Koran verse 004.024
YUSUFALI: Also (prohibited are) women already married, except those whom your right hands possess: Thus hath Allah ordained (Prohibitions) against you: Except for these, all others are lawful, provided ye seek (them in marriage) with gifts from your property,- desiring chastity, not lust, seeing that ye derive benefit from them, give them their dowers (at least) as prescribed; but if, after a dower is prescribed, agree Mutually (to vary it), there is no blame on you, and Allah is All-knowing, All-wise.
The meaning of what “right hands possess” is explained in Islamic Law, the Koran, and the ahadith.
“The Reliance of the Traveller, A Classic Manual of Islamic Scared Law”
This book has the stamp of approval of Al Azhar, the highest learning Islamic school in the world.
Justice Chapter: Jihad
THE RULES OF WARFARE
o9.13 When a child or a woman is taken captive, they become slaves by the fact of capture, and the woman’s previous marriage is immediately annulled.
This is backed up by other Koran verses.
033.050
YUSUFALI: O Prophet! We have made lawful to thee thy wives to whom thou hast paid their dowers; and those whom thy right hand possesses out of the prisoners of war whom Allah has assigned to thee; and daughters of thy paternal uncles and aunts, and daughters of thy maternal uncles and aunts, who migrated (from Makka) with thee; and any believing woman who dedicates her soul to the Prophet if the Prophet wishes to wed her;- this only for thee, and not for the Believers (at large); We know what We have appointed for them as to their wives and the captives whom their right hands possess;- in order that there should be no difficulty for thee. And Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.
008.069
YUSUFALI: But (now) enjoy what ye took in war, lawful and good: but fear Allah: for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.
https://loganswarning.com/2010/03/20/islam-101-the-religion-of-rape/
{ وَٱلْمُحْصَنَٰتُ مِنَ ٱلنِّسَآءِ إِلاَّ مَا مَلَكْتَ أَيْمَٰنُكُمْ كِتَٰبَ ٱللَّهِ عَلَيْكُمْ وَأُحِلَّ لَكُمْ مَّا وَرَاءَ ذَٰلِكُمْ أَن تَبْتَغُواْ بِأَمْوَٰلِكُمْ مُّحْصِنِينَ غَيْرَ مُسَٰفِحِينَ فَمَا ٱسْتَمْتَعْتُمْ بِهِ مِنْهُنَّ فَآتُوهُنَّ أُجُورَهُنَّ فَرِيضَةً وَلاَ جُنَاحَ عَلَيْكُمْ فِيمَا تَرَٰضَيْتُمْ بِهِ مِن بَعْدِ ٱلْفَرِيضَةِ إِنَّ ٱللَّهَ كَانَ عَلِيماً حَكِيماً }
And, forbidden to you are, wedded women, those with spouses, that you should marry them before they have left their spouses, be they Muslim free women or not; save what your right hands own, of captured [slave] girls, whom you may have sexual intercourse with, even if they should have spouses among the enemy camp, but only after they have been absolved of the possibility of pregnancy [after the completion of one menstrual cycle]; this is what God has prescribed for you (kitāba is in the accusative because it is the verbal noun). Lawful for you (read passive wa-uhilla, or active wa-ahalla), beyond all that, that is, except what He has forbidden you of women, is that you seek, women, using your wealth, by way of a dowry or a price, in wedlock and not, fornicating, in illicitly. Such wives as you enjoy thereby, and have had sexual intercourse with, give them their wages, the dowries that you have assigned them, as an obligation; you are not at fault in agreeing together, you and they, after the obligation, is waived, decreased or increased. God is ever Knowing, of His creatures, Wise, in what He has ordained for them.
Do you condemn Islam now, or are you afraid to?
As a concerned US Citizen I am writing you today so that you voice my protest in the honorable US senate against the organized extermination of the Coptic Christian Minority in Egypt. On the New Year Eve in Alexandria in Northern Egypt a car bomb exploded in front of the Saints Church belonging to the Coptic Orthodox Church killing at least 21 Christians and wounding scores. There were 1000 people in the church and the Egyptian Government did not provide any protection to the church even though they know of the potential dangers. The Egyptian government didn’t take any measures to protect the Christian minority in Egypt and allowed massive demonstrations in the streets provoking Christian Killing and Church burnings (videos are available). The Egyptian government policy is to arrest scores of Christians and lock them behind bars to bargain for their release with the Coptic Church to keep quite. The Egyptian Government has caved completely to the Moslem fanatic movement and employed them in high ranks of the Government, especially the police, judiciary system and secret service. The Egyptian Government had made peace with the fanatic Muslims giving them free hand to kill and persecute the Christian minority, burn churches, loot their property and burn their businesses, abduct young Christian girls and forcing them to adopt Islam. The fundamentalist in Egypt have no resistance from the government as long as they do harm to the Coptic Christian minority in Egypt. The Coptic minority in Egypt is officially 10% of the population and according to our own sources (church baptism records) we estimate that the Coptic population reaches 15% of the total population of Egypt. This makes Coptic Christians in Egypt the largest Christian population in the Middle East.
The Coptic Christians face second class citizen treatment from the government and they are denied the right to build new churches and they need a presidential decree to renovate a bathroom in a church in Egypt. Otherwise, they face prosecution by the law (a law established 200 years or more during the Ottoman era). Life has become intolerable in Egypt for the Coptic Christian Minority.
The Egyptian government is prosecuting Moslems who decide to adopt Christianity and leave Islam. They face jail sentence without court orders where they are tortured to return back to Islam. The Egyptian government refuses to give recognition of change of religion to the Moslems adopting Christianity in their ID cards. The ID cards in Egypt must have the religion of the person written. It is estimated that the number of Moslems turning into Christianity in Egypt are on the rise due to their ability to read about Christianity on the internet and the Satellite TV and to know the reality of Islam from sources never available to them in the past. Missionaries were prevented to enter Egypt and faced life threats if they do so, and therefore, evangelism occurred through the internet and the satellite TV.
I am asking that my US government put a stop to the organized persecution of the Egyptian Coptic minority the same way the US bombed the Serbs to protect the Muslims of Bosnia and Herzegovina. The least the US government can do is to sound protest officially to the Egyptian government, which receives massive financial aid from the US. This money is used partially to build and increase the number of Moslem religious institutes (Madrasa equivalent) that curses the US government and encourages young Moslems to commit “Jihad” against the US and Christians in general.
Sincerely,
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Islam is profane.
Mohammed is a false prophet.
Your Allah is an elemental spirit of the world.
Islam Advances because it speaks the word of truth something you do not have the courage to admit why should they still believe in a religion that has more the hundreds of hypocritical versions of the bible.
Islam advances because of birthrates, deception and constant complaining about what needs to be done to cater to Muslim “sensitivities”.
Koran verse 4:24 condones the taking of sex slaves, which is rape. Do you condemn this verse?
Islam “advances” because it conquers by way of the sword, by way of terror and above all, by way of rape!