Back in early April I post an article entitled “Brooklyn NY: Masjid Nur Al-Islam~ How They Lure Them in…”. Today a man named Syed Wahab who is posting from a Brooklyn IP address dropped by to clear up my “misconceptions”. He also stated he attends Masjid Nur Al-Islam on a daily basis. As you will see Syed tries to justify Muslims taking the land of non-Muslims, rape, slavery, and the killing of Jews.
Syed Wahab said:
I found so many misunderstandings with this article. I go to this Mosque daily and I will state out all the misconceptions.
First of all Islam comes from the word Salam which means peace. I quote you “They have purposely left out the fact that Muslims are to fight and force this “peace” on non-Muslims, if they do not accept Islamic rule. Which will leave them as a subordinate to Islam. ”
Islam doesn’t force anyone to accept the religion. The time Islam was established was the same time that the Eastern Roman Empire was rising. Countries and Empires were constantly at war with each other for land and power. The first Quran verse that you pointed out is referring to those who are already at war whether it is for land or defending themselves from an invasion. Allah commanded Muslim to defend themselves against the non Muslim attackers. It’s the same concept when someone tells a child don’t let people push you around. That doesn’t mean the child becomes the bully, it means when a bully comes around, you stand up for yourself but some children misunderstand it and become the bullies themselves. When Muslims take over a land the prisoners of war are given either two options. The first is accepting Islam and live amongst us or they may keep their current faith and live amongst us but they must pay seasonal taxes. It doesn’t say anywhere to kill someone if they don’t accept the religion.
Going to your second point. The Jesus of Christianity is the same Jesus of Islam. Muslim believe that Jesus came down from Allah with a message which is to believe in One God alone. He came down with the Bible from God. 300 years after Jesus came groups of people who changed the Bible around for their own desire. The religion became corrupt. Jesus came down as a messenger of God and the people made him into God himself. They said He is God’s son as well as God himself and the Holy Spirit. The Trinity makes no logical sense what so ever. Let’s say this. God created everything from the Heavens to the Earth. So if Jesus was God, do you think that someone that created everything from nothing be manhandled and thrown onto a cross? It’s doesn’t make sense. The Christians of today are not the same Christians that Jesus taught. Jesus’ teachings were to believe and worship only one God and today the Christians believe in 3.
You said, “If “Allah” is so perfect, why were their Churches in the first place? Why not just have Mosques only from day one?! The reason is that Allah is not the God of Christianity.”
Allah sent down many revelations from the beginning of time. Allah says in the Quran Chapter 14: Verse 19 “Have you not seen that Allah created the heavens and the earth in truth? If He wills, He can do away with you and produce a new creation.” This deep translation of this verse is that Allah will replace a Nation with someone better. If a Nation is falling, then Allah will replace them. First came the Jews and they were replaced by the Christian and then the Christians were replaced by the Muslims. That is why there wasn’t a Mosque from the beginning.
You said in Islam it’s “O.K to lie.” This is false. Lying is one of the major sins. Allah says in Chapter 16: Verse 105 “It is only those who do not believe in the verses of Allah, who fabricate falsehood, and it is they who are liars.”
This verse is clearly saying that one is not a Believer if one is a liar. The hadith you brought gave only 3 exceptions where it is permissible to lie because lying in those scenario will only bring a greater good. It doesn’t say become a liar and constantly lie. That is what you are implying. Everything in life no matter what it may be has a few exceptions.
You said, “So if you lust for your neighbor’s wife, just take her as a captive of jihad. As I said the God of Christianity, is NOT the God of Islam. Keep trying…”
The women and children after Jihad are war booty. You can’t just take your neighbor’s wife and keep her a jihad captive because YOU ARE NOT IN JIHAD so i guess you keep trying…
You said, “Once again, if the God of Islam is so great, why didn’t he or she just have the Koran written from day one? If all the prophets were Muslims, how come no one bothered to tell them? Scratch your head on that one my Muslim readers….”
I already answered this point. It’s the same concept as why wasn’t Mosques built from the beginning.
You said, “Of course they leave out the fact that being “righteous” means to kill Jews to reach judgment day.”
This is another topic on its own. It doesn’t mean to kill Jews for no reason. This talks about when the Anti-Christ arrives and it is said that the Jews will be on the side of the Anti-Christ and will be at war against the Muslims.
You said, “I guess you have never heard of the Muslim invasions of Egypt and Persia. As far as your “no compulsion” bit, please refer to my response to #1.”
Again this goes back to colonization. Islam wasn’t spread by the sword. The Muslims would take over a land and then give the people a chance to turn Muslim or pay taxes.
As for the terrorist remark, The prophet says “I’ve been helped by terror (In the hearts of enemies).
This again goes back to Jihad and war for land. It doesn’t say I’ve been helped by terror (in the hearts of innocent people.) If you want to use that logic then anyone in history who tried to fright the enemy during a war would be considered a terrorist.
In regards to slavery. At that time slavery was a common practice. Even way after that era of history. If you forgot, America at one point had slaves. Here is the difference. Slaves belonging to Muslim had rights. The Muslims would treat them with the upmost respect. In the book of Bukhari 1:2:29, “Narrated Al-Ma’rur: At Ar-Rabadha I met Abu Dhar who was wearing a cloak, and his slave, too, was wearing a similar one. I asked about the reason for it. He replied, “I abused a person by calling his mother with bad names.” The Prophet said to me, ‘O Abu Dhar! Did you abuse him by calling his mother with bad names You still have some characteristics of ignorance. Your slaves are your brothers and Allah has put them under your command. So whoever has a brother under his command should feed him of what he eats and dress him of what he wears. Do not ask them (slaves) to do things beyond their capacity (power) and if you do so, then help them.”
You said, “Actually they only tell their targets half the story here. Jihad has two meanings, the greater jihad is the inner struggle, but thee lesser jihad means to wage war against non-Muslims, signifying warfare to establish the religion”
This again goes back to the days of colonization. Waging war against non Muslims to take control of land. Not for no reason.
Regarding the hadith, “A woman, an ass and a dog disrupt the prayer.”
This doesn’t oppress women. This talks about a man during his prayer. How many men do you know can walk by a woman without them trying to get a little glimpse of her to see how she looks like. If a man is in prayer and a woman passes by, he might not be able to help himself and he might loose concentration and look at the woman thus breaking is prayer.
As for the last point, I have no knowledge of the Bible so I cannot speak of it. I hope this cleared some of the misconceptions people had. Just ask any questions you might have and I will try to my best abilities to answer them.
As you read, Syed only proved my point about Islam being a threat to America. I thank him! Here is my response to him.
1. Don’t play word games with me. I said “Islamic rule”. Non-Muslims can be killed if they do not convert or pay jizya.
2. The Jesus of Islam is NOT the same as in Christianity. Under Islam he was not crucified.
3. Christians and Jews were not replaced, they still exist. But you did prove my point. Your so called Allah is not perfect.
4. Islam does allow lying. As proven here, and thanks for proving my point by agreeing with it. https://loganswarning.com/2009/12/15/islam-101-lying-is-permissible/
5. In regards to captives of war. OBVIOUSLY I meant during war. Thanks for trying to justify it though. You are only helping me turn more people against Islam.
6. Thanks for justifying the killing of Jews.
7. Islam has been spread by the sword, you even admitted Muslims took over land. Why don’t you try and force jizya on America…
8. Mohammad admitted he was a terrorist, and you try and justify it by saying they were not innocent.
9. Slavery is STILL allowed under Islamic Law.
10. “This doesn’t oppress women. This talks about a man during his prayer. How many men do you know can walk by a woman without them trying to get a little glimpse of her to see how she looks like. If a man is in prayer and a woman passes by, he might not be able to help himself and he might loose concentration and look at the woman thus breaking is prayer.” Grow up.
11. You did not “clear up” anything. You only proved my point. Thank you!
Nothing but takiya from the get go. Trying to convince us the pislam means peace. All the rest of it is nothing but lies too.
Yeah, that was a load of crock from the arselifter. LOL!
taqyyia
Syed Wahab,
Taquiyya much? Since the inception of your moon G-d cult, you have killed the Jews. Let me tell you, BUB, this Jew is not afraid of you.Another thing, what an ugly piece of garbage mosque and signage on the mosque…It doesn’t look welcoming for peace. It looks cheap and tawdry, much like Mohammed.
Luckily, we have the FACTS while all they have are unfounded specious arguments. Everything they say can be refuted FROM THEIR OWN SOURCES. Idiot mohammedans.
The radical extremist Islam-IC element of any of the possibly sincere, “good” intent Islamist “community” in America is simply: A Political Underground Movement intent on World Domination. Simply put.
The Muslim Brotherhood leaders in America are on the board of C.A.I.R.–presenting themselves as civic-minded, civil-rights protecting “Americans” fighting for, advocating “equal existence” UNDER SHARIA LAW–at the foundation of their use of our own Civil Rights Laws, their own vehicle to install Sharia Law over and above Constitutional Law in America. They are radical extremist Jihadists intent on dominating America, by using our own system of Laws and civil rights AGAINST America. They’ve been inchworming their way, laying foundations, and eventually if it isn’t stopped, they would “suceed” in some degree, at least.
Once the vast majority of Americans realize what our own government has been “permitting” of Islam-ics intent on world domination, with Europe and America “first”, then the world…. guess what comes next….
CAIR is losing it’s Tax exempt status…that will help, make them pay money to be the maggots they are…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=avYtAyCxUbA&eurl
Syed Wahab, I really feel sorry for you, rarely have I seen someone as brainwashed as you! I started to respond to your comments like I usually do to someone who is practicing Taquiyya by pointing out Scriptures from The Holy Bible and using your own Satanic verses from the EVIL qur’an to show there is NO WAY Isa of the qur’an can be Jesus of The Bible. Unfortunatly you have been brainwashed SO BAD, that would be a waste of my time, worse than that, it would waste the time of the readers of this GREAT BLOG. I decided instead to use scientific and archaelogical evidence to refute your bogus claims.
You said, ” Muslim believe that Jesus came down from Allah with a message which is to believe in One God alone. He came down with the Bible from God. 300 years after Jesus came groups of people who changed the Bible around for their own desire. The religion became corrupt. Jesus came down as a messenger of God and the people made him into God himself. They said He is God’s son as well as God himself and the Holy Spirit. The Trinity makes no logical sense what so ever. Let’s say this. God created everything from the Heavens to the Earth. So if Jesus was God, do you think that someone that created everything from nothing be manhandled and thrown onto a cross? It’s doesn’t make sense. The Christians of today are not the same Christians that Jesus taught. Jesus’ teachings were to believe and worship only one God and today the Christians believe in 3.”
First of all in regards to The Bible and Christian Beliefs changing after 300 years:
There are tens of thousands of manuscripts from the New Testament, in part or in whole, dating from the second century A.D. to the late fifteenth century, when the printing press was invented. These manuscripts have been found in Egypt, Palestine, Syria, Turkey, Greece, and Italy, making collusion unlikely. The oldest manuscript, the John Rylands manuscript, has been dated to 125 A.D. and was found in Egypt, some distance from where the New Testament was originally composed in Asia Minor. Many early Christian papyri, discovered in 1935, have been dated to 150 A.D., and include the four gospels. The Papyrus Bodmer II, discovered in 1956, has been dated to 200 A.D., and contains 14 chapters and portions of the last seven chapters of the gospel of John. The Chester Beatty biblical papyri, discovered in 1931, has been dated to 200-250 A.D. and contains the Gospels, Acts, Paul’s Epistles, and Revelation. As you can plainly see, we have manuscripts that date back to 125 A.D. which say same thing the New Testament of today says. That being a PROVEN scientific fact, where do you come up with The Bible being corrupted after 300 years? Its just simply NOT true.
Next you say Christians of today Believe in 3 God’s. Again evidence proves you wrong. Christians believe in ONE God. God exists eternally (not created) as one being, having the attributes of being omnipotent (all powerful) omniscient (all knowing), omnipresent (present within all parts of the created universe simultaneously) and all loving. God is revealed to us in the form of three persons, Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.
God, the Father, is the Holy Presence of God in Heaven, a real place that exists outside of our physical universe.
Jesus Christ is the only begotten (not created) Son of God, born of the virgin Mary through the power of the Holy Spirit. The Son is the full representation of God in human form – both fully human and fully divine. Jesus Christ led a sinless life as the perfect lamb of God. He voluntarily died on the cross to take the punishment for our sins, thereby giving us redemption from death, so that we might have a personal relationship with the Father. Jesus Christ was resurrected from the dead, demonstrating the validity of His substitutionary death and the power of the Father in fulfilling His plan of redemption. Jesus will return to earth in glory as absolute Judge and King.
The Holy Spirit is the power of God expressed to and through all who claim Jesus as Lord and Savior. The Holy Spirit convicts the world (and believers) of sin and encourages them to repent and turn to God. The Holy Spirit gives power to the believer to fulfill the perfect will of God and to be conformed to the image of Christ.
Syed, get your facts straight before coming to this site spreading your malicious lies. This site is different from many you troll around in. The readers of this site are Christians, Jews, Agnostics, and Atheists who come together with one thing in common. We all realize the evil in islam. Most of us have studied the qur’an, much of the hadith, and the Reliance of the Traveller. We think for ourselves, not blindly follow an EVIL false prophet.
Thank you Dan!
this reply is STRAIGHT out of the muslims play book, “How to debate and frustrate infidels”….
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HIqMZkrdL-w
Excellent explanation. The Blessed Trinity is a hard doctrine to explain, but a basic understanding of it is necessary if anyone is to understand Christianity.
First of all, the Blessed Trinity is based in scripture. In both the Old and New Testaments.
It has very powerful doctrinal arguments for it, and became regularized early on in church teaching.
The substance of it is simple–
Three persons, one substance.
And that is one God, not three. We invoke the Three Persons because we acknowledge that God created us, Jesus his son redeemed us, and the Holy Spirit sanctifies us.
We understand that the three acts are historically based, and could only be accomplished by one God.
We understand that we are referring not just to Three Persons, but three kinds of power that God has over us.
Muslims have no sense that they have been captured spiritually by the world at all.
They have no original sin, they have no confession, they do not feel that they need to be forgiven and redeemed from their captivity.
Instead, Islam is a religion based on captivity and submission– it is the peace of the whip, the chain, the cuff and the sword.
I am going to ask a serious question and I’m not trying to be funny… Are Muslims retarded? I mean, did all that inbreeding retard their intellect? Because he seems to prove Christopher’s points. His arguments are juvenile and ridiculous. So I am wondering if Muslims are retarded because I have never met one who can argue against these points adequately.
I have alot of encounters with them, too. I find the whole lot of them to be lacking in critical thinking skills,no sense of what is right and wrong, apathetic, passive unless its about Islam, and very arrogant. Another thing is they are very spoiled, and given to temper tandrums when things aren’t going their way. Certainly they are not used to a woman like myself telling them like it is and winning all arguments. Most Americans don’t have the skills to tell Mussies in polite language to f*ck off (like me and Chris do). So they either avoid them or join up with them. Based my interactions, I find Muslimas to be child like and the men to be somewhat enffeminate. In a nutshell, I found Muslims to be disgusting but I can’t stay away from them either. I guess I enjoy confronting evil. LOL!
There are arselifters in Kurdistan that are so inbred that they can only walk on all four. So yes, inbreeding is a problem – for them. If they want to breed themselves to troglodytes, fine with me. Be my guest. LOL!
Muslims should watch this video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=avYtAyCxUbA&eurl
Hi Dan. Your prayers are really badly needed for Tommy Robinson founder of the EDL now. He has been banned from organising or taking part in any of the group’s protests as part of bail. He must not travel to, organise or take part in any march, demonstration or protest within ten miles of Luton.
One of the riders on the EU gravy train, MEP Richard Howitt finds Tommy’s plain speaking truthfulness unsettling so he gathered some like minded anti free speech buddies and led them to Luton for a conference on community cohesion. It appears that Tommy turned up with a few supporters as a protest, which seems very reasonable to me in a democracy. I have no further details except to say that Tommy was arrested on a public order offence.
Tommy should know better. He should wear baggy clothes, grow pubic hair on his face and keep a few knives and stones in his pockets, scream for the beheading of everyone in Britain who is not a Muslim, take all the social security benefits he can get, groom underage girls for sex and beat up a few women. He is an intelligent man. I wonder how he came to miss all this?
Emmi, I will be Praying for Tommy and will enlist others to keep him in Prayers also. Please keep me informed!
Many thanks Dan. Your kindness is appreciated. And for the record, when you offered prayers before, Tommy had been told by the police not to go on a march as violent threats had been made to attack him. He went, was unharmed and was not arrested!
Thank you for letting me know. We’ll keep the Prayers going up
I would love to know what made him convert. My guess he’s either an attention whore or a pervert- most muslims I come in contact with have a perverse view of women. they whore around on their wives and make no apologies. They tell me its their right as Muslims to take as many females as they want while in the same breath they tell me that women have equal rights. I say, oh really! so if I want to whore around on my husband with a mulitude of men, its OK. Most walk away in disgust. They really do hate American women. LOL!!
Another reason could be-Islam is a militant religion so those who have violent tendencies love this so called religion. Look at all the felons who convert- should tell all of us something. ( i have alot of them for patients.) Maybe thats one of the reasons why he converted. Please ask him.
Also, Thanks so much, Chris for your courage. God keep you safe.
Keep up the fight my friend!
Expressly enjoined in the spread of these laws
Is the use of deception to further the cause.
See whole text in comments on 20 June 2011
they’re always slippery when it comes to slavery. i always goad muslims into asking why pork is haram. then they quote the haddith or koran or whatever. same for alcohol. they’ll give you a quote. then i ask them why slavery is halal and they’ll fervently argue that slavery is haram. however, no quotes from koran or haddith. so they can’t prove that one at all. i like how this idiot says:
“Slaves belonging to Muslim had rights.”
if i enslaved this guy i would give him some rights too. i wonder how he would like that?
They’re splippery about slavery because they practice it.
The Trans-Saharan and Indian Ocean slave trades have been in operation since c. 850.
They have not stopped.
No abolitionists among the Muslims.
No civil wars over slavery.
620,000 Americans died to free 4 million slaves in 1865.
Not one Muslim has ever suffered or died to free one slave.
Slavery is the model of their relationship with their Allah. To him, they must submit.
Slaves have rights in Islam?
How about the right to ESCAPE or KILL THEIR OPPRESSORS AS THEY SLEEP?!!!
Those are the rights which matter most to a slave.
” … First came the Jews and they were replaced by the Christian and then the Christians were replaced by the Muslims. …”
In fulfillment of prophecy, the Jews are back in their former land. They became a nation in “… a day … !!!” I guess that Islam and the Muslims aren’t as righteous as they claim to be, because they have been thrown off what they claim to be their land. Boo, Hoo!!! Then of course their deity is just one of the same old hackneyed pagan deities of ancient Arabia. I guess that there really isn’t anything new under the sun after all. What has gone around, continues to go around, and this time Islam has been chosen for final judgment. Shall I choose Adonai, or some ancient, pagan, Arabian deity??? As for me and my house; we choose Adonai!!!
Again, it’s the replacement mentality.
This person doesn’t believe in pluralism– he, like Hegel and Marx, believes that one set of ideas will replace the other and that the supposed last word is the only true one spoken.
Replacement culture threatens us all– it is anti-humanistic, and the very soul of imperial colonialism.
Quote:
This again goes back to the days of colonization. Waging war against non Muslims to take control of land. Not for no reason.
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The reason for the Muslim conquests, either in the past or present, is quite clear.
Greed, racism, arrogance and domination of the other. These have motivated much conquest in world history.
Not for no reason?
Sure.
I agree.
Islam has its reasons– hatred of the other, the desire to create a world in which everyone believes the same thing and will obligingly turn into an Arabophile.
You want the most international language to be Arabic.
You want us to believe in your Arab paganism which bears no relationship to Christianity or Judaism.
Islam– the closer you look, the more repulsive it gets.
Islam will not prevail in the West because Muslim culture and Muslims have nothing to offer except empty dreams of past conquests and self-righteousness.
Self-righteous anger is an addictive drug we must make sure to disparage at every turn.
Well said eib!! On all of your comments!
eib – slam dunk … in a nutshell!!!
“ … Muslim culture and Muslims have nothing to offer except empty dreams of past conquests and self-righteousness. … “
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The Islamic Mahdi, along with Islam’s version of Yeshua, Isa (Issa, or Aessa), are only going to bring the sword (more violence) and more deceit to an already hurting world. They represent the ‘anti’ versions of the true Messiah and a true prophet. The stated purpose of this pair is to bring the sword and ‘force’ conversions to Islam, and along with the lies and deceit spouted by their Isa, they will pervert the truth in an effort to deceive even the elect (if that were possible).
The picture of the true and Righteous Messiah, is that of He who will come to put down the wars of man’s vanity and the lies and deceit of all of mankind; and in these latter days, especially the lies and perversions of pagan Islam. By stopping the wars of the forces of evil, the true Messiah will bring real peace, and cause the cycle of endless war on this planet to cease. All of mankind has been openly invited to trust in the Messiah, yet none are to be forced to believe. It has always been by grace and free will; concepts that appear to be conspicuously foreign to Islam, both past and present.
Many Muslims around the world continue on a daily basis to plot the death of those that are considered to be infidels, and Islamic shahids even delight in performing just such acts of violence to honor their pagan deity. This is nowhere more apparent than in the continuous and bloody struggle for power between the Sunni and Shiite sects of Islam. The above statement “ … empty dreams of past conquests and self-righteousness. … “ is a most appropriate way of describing Islam in today’s world, to which I would only add … Islam offers no true hope of salvation either!!!
eib. Quote ‘They’re always slippery when it comes to slavery’. Essential information as Muslims stir up trouble between black people and white on this subject. I heard them in public in the UK nearly twenty years ago when I tried warning politicians about the militancy of Islam. It’s always useful to have such good counter arguments as both Muslims and politicians here indulge in a lot of debate. Have you notced how politicians answer an uncomfortable question with another question?
Yes. To answer a question with a question is the ultimate evasion.
The West was conflicted about the slave trade and slavery in the 18th & 19th centuries.
So Atlantic slavery slowly died.
No such conflict of conscience arises in the Orient. They are not sinning in the eyes of their gods.
The Trans-Saharan, Indian Ocean and Black Sea slave trades are real. Human trafficking is the euphemism used for them– but they should be called what they are– slave trades.
All of these have existed much, much longer than the Atlantic slave trade did.