Planned Temecula Valley mosque draws opposition
The religious center is embraced by the area’s interfaith council but opposed by a group calling itself Concerned Community Citizens.Muslims throughout Temecula and Murrieta have saved up for years to build a mosque to replace the plain white industrial building, tucked between a pipeline company and packaging warehouse, where they now gather to pray.
But as the Islamic Center of Temecula Valley moves ahead with plans to build on a four-acre plot of vacant land near Temecula’s gentle hills and invading housing developments, plans for the new mosque have stirred hostility in this mostly conservative community in southwest Riverside County.
Along with increased traffic and noise, opponents fear the mosque would clash with Temecula’s rural atmosphere and, they say, possibly turn the community of 105,000 into a haven for Islamic extremists.
The pastor of Calvary Baptist Church, just across a cul-de-sac from the site of the mosque, said the two religions “mix like oil and water” and predicted a “confrontational atmosphere” if the project moves forward.“The Islamic foothold is not strong here, and we really don’t want to see their influence spread,” said Pastor Bill Rench.
“There is a concern with all the rumors you hear about sleeper cells and all that. Are we supposed to be complacent just because these people say it’s a religion of peace? Many others have said the same thing,” he said.
Leaders of the Islamic center were surprised by the level of criticism, especially from a few religious groups, saying their current makeshift mosque and Islamic community center have been in town for more than a decade and members always have felt welcome.
“Our children go to the same schools their children go to. We shop at the same stores where they shop,” said Mahmoud Harmoush, the imam of the Islamic center and an instructor at Cal State San Bernardino’s World Languages and Literatures Department.
“All of a sudden our neighbors wake up and they’re opposed to us building the Islamic center there, the mosque. I hope it’s a small group,” he said.
The mayor and members of the City Council did not respond to calls about the issue. Temecula’s city attorney advised them not to comment about the proposed mosque because the Planning Commission’s vote on the application for the facility could be appealed to the council.
The Rev. Joe Zarro, co-chairman of the Interfaith Council of Temecula and Murrieta Valley, said criticism of the mosque in the community is from a very small but vocal minority. The council, made up of leaders of a variety of faiths in the area, including Harmoush, unanimously endorsed plans for the mosque, Zarro said.
“A lot of this has been blown out of proportion,” said Zarro, the minister at the United Church of the Valley. “It’s important for people to see our neighbors, and for them to be part of our community.”
The land for the proposed mosque lies west of the Temecula wine country in a pocket of the city that’s become a mish-mash of ranch homes with large grassy spreads and clusters of encroaching red-tile roofs. Along with Calvary Baptist, the mosque will be a short walk from Grace Presbyterian Church.
The design of the 24,943-square-foot mosque and center reflect a Mediterranean design seen in many Temecula neighborhoods, though the building will have traditional domes topped with crescent moons. The facility will be built in two stages, with the first limited to a 4,100-square-foot mosque to serve about 150 Muslim families living in Temecula, Murrieta and surrounding communities, Harmoush said.
The Islamic center has owned the land since 2000, but the small Muslim community has needed time to raise enough money to build. Harmoush said it could be years before the entire mosque and community center are completed.
The proposal is expected to go before the Temecula Planning Commission in August, and city officials are reviewing the expected effect of the mosque on neighborhood traffic and noise levels and any other environmental concerns.
“We look at land issues, that’s it,” said Patrick Robinson, director of the city’s planning and redevelopment agency. “We don’t take into account the denomination of the religion or any of the political issues that surround it.”
A petition opposing the new mosque is being circulated by a group called Concerned Community Citizens, and other politically active volunteers have started organizing a campaign against the facility.
Karen Fesini, who belongs to a Republican women’s group in the Temecula and Murrieta area, said she’s been making calls to warn her friends about the project.
In the past I had stated that the war with Islam cannot be won in America without a large Christian movement. When I say this, I do not mean that everyone has to convert to Christianity. I mean that most of the country considers themselves Christians, so they have the numbers that are needed to pressure our politicians to take action. While I wish the opposition to Islam in America would have started along time ago, it is better late than never. Now it is time for all non-Muslims to put aside their differences, and unite against Islam. If we lose this war, nothing else will matter.
Hat tip to Lisa Marie.
Pastor Rench:
Here’s a Catholic who’ll be standing shoulder to shoulder with you and your congregation.
God bless.
God is not going to “bless” you people. I thought Christians followed Jesus? When was Jesus hateful and bigoted? You all need to see how ridiculous you sound. Do you not go swim in the ocean because there are sharks there? Do you not drive your cars because you might get in an accident? Ridiculous, right? Well, same argument here. If 1/4 of the WORLD population is Muslim and a very few of them are “bad” then it is the same as not driving a car for fear of an accident. WWJD?
Jesus would not support a religion that allows lying, rape, the extortion of Christians, and the final destruction of Christianity. Just because there are over 1 billion Muslim, does not mean that we should let Islam takeover the entire world. Your it’s a “few” comment is not even close to being to being true. Muslims have voted Hezbollah, Hamas, the AKP (Turkey), Muslim Brotherhood, etc… into office. There is a worldwide Sharia push, and there is no major “moderate” Muslim movement against it. You need to ask yourself if you want your families future generations, to be forced to live under Islamic rule. Criticizing those that are willing to take a stand for life as we know it, does not make the problem go away. Think about it.
Oh, like there aren’t any Christians in prison who have violated the commandments?
The bible says to “love your neighbor” and “not to judge”. Apparently that’s not in this case.
It’s pretty ignorant to assume all Muslims are the same just like assuming all Christians are the same.
Do keep in mind that people of all religions and cultures have died in wars for this country to be free
Christians in jail do not mean that Islam is not a major threat to live as we know. The Bible also says to fight evil, and Islam allows rape. Is that not evil? The bottom line with Muslim immigration is trouble this can be seen across the West. So why don’t you explain your magical plan to separate the “good” Muslims from the bad? Then please explain why it has not been done in Europe.
We will lose our freedoms if Islam is not stopped. Is that what you want for you family’s future generations?
Islam does not allow rape: In fact, rape is punishable by murder. If you knew the first thing about Islam, rather than getting your information from the oh-so-reliable hate forums you frequent, you’d know the facts. Nobody wants your freedom. The way you separate the “good” from the “bad” is to first: Don’t judge people as bad based on the fact that they are trying to establish a place of worship, much like you. Second, accepting people and extending kindness towards them does more to eradicate any “bad” intentions they might have towards you.
Islam does allow what non-Muslims would consider rape, and this is proven here. The taking of sex slaves is rape.
Islam 101: The Religion of Rape
https://loganswarning.com/2010/03/20/islam-101-the-religion-of-rape/
Why do you keep on assuming I am religious? But for the record Christians and Jews are not on worldwide movements looking to impose a set of barbaric religious laws on all, but Muslims are.
Should the Jews have accepted the Nazis?
I know Muslims do not want my freedom, they want to establish Islamic Law here. Thanks for proving my point.
I get my information from the Koran, the Bukhari and Muslim ahadith, and an Islamic Law manual approved by Al Azhar. The highest learning Islamic school in the world. So next time know what you are talking about.
The bottom line with Muslim immigration is trouble, and if there were a way to separate the good from the bad, Europe would of done it along time ago. It is time to end all Muslim immigration, and officially ban Sharia Law. Then arrest and deport if possible all pro-Sharia Muslims. They are to be looked upon as enemies of the state. Just as Nazis were.
Admin: It is because of people like you that moderate muslims can’t make their voices heard. By ostracizing ALL muslims, labeling them terrorists, and condemning their place of worship as sleeper cells, you’re sending the message that there is no place for them in American society (no matter how moderate they are, according to you they are all terrorists). This type of discrimination does nothing but give credibility to the idea of extremists: That Americans hate Islam and are bent on the destruction of their rights to practice their faith. This is exactly what you’re saying, and this type of bigotry is what isolates muslims and makes them turn towards extremist viewpoints about America. More importantly, these actions are utmost unpatriotic. People came to America to escape religious persecution. The rights of the constitution extend to ALL religions, not just the ones you deem worthy. Democracy only works when its principles are enacted consistency. If I were you, I’d be more worried about the hypocrisy that occurs within your congregation, than where others chose to worship the same God you claim to revere.
1. Right, it is my fault that there is no major “moderate” Muslim opposition to the worldwide Sharia push. “Moderate” Muslims are not coming to the rescue.
2. Point out where I said they are all terrorists.
3. More and more Americans are turning against Islam, and it should have never been allowed to be practiced here in the first place.
4. Using your “logic”, the Jews were bigots for speaking out against Nazism. Why are you supporting a bigoted ideology like Islam?
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YUSUFALI: O ye who believe! take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends and protectors: They are but friends and protectors to each other. And he amongst you that turns to them (for friendship) is of them. Verily Allah guideth not a people unjust.
5. The UK bent over backwards to please Muslims, and they got walked all over. They stand with their religion over non-Muslims.
6. Standing up for Western Civilization is very patriotic.
7. If Muslims takeover like they are planning to, they will persecute non-Muslims.
8. After the Barbary Coast Wars, Islam should of never been granted religion status. This was a huge mistake.
9. Point out where I said I am religious.
10. I will continue to speak out against Islam.
Thanks for the visit.
The Mufti might have been involved in the Holocaust, but not to the extent of the Christians of Germany and Poland who stood by and watched as 6 million people were massacred. I don’t understand why you’re bringing the Holocaust into a discussion about Muslim’s rights to practice their religion, a right granted to them by the constitution. And no, I don’t think the Jews were not bigots, but again, what does that have anything to do with what we’re talking about here?
“Point out where I said they are all terrorists”: “The bottom line with Muslim immigration is trouble…They are to be looked upon as enemies of the state.”
The quote from the quran needs to be read in context: Were the early Muslims not persecuted by these religious groups? It’s precisely why they initially left Mecca for Medina. You think this advice is abhorrent, yet you clearly live by it. Expressing outrage when others try to build their own place of worship in your community, then saying they should have never been able to practice this religion in the first place shows this passage might have some legitimacy. After all, we’re talking about churches all over this country opposing the rights of Muslims to practice their faith.
Your allegation that the UK’s 2.4 million muslims “stand with their religion over non-muslims” is ridiculous on many levels. First, what are you basing this on? Prominent Muslim leaders from the UK spoke out against the London bombings, and Muslims actively participate in all aspects of social and political life in the UK. Of course, when that happens here bigots attack them for having the audacity to participate in society. Just read this blog, that’s proof enough. If this is a point of criticism of the Muslim community, it can be applied to all religions. People look out for their own, which I’m sure you’ve done at some point in your life.
“If Muslims takeover like they are planning to, they will persecute non-Muslims.” Nobody is trying to take over. If you’re referring to extremist groups like Al Qaeda, they’ve been clear: They want western forces out of their countries. Period.
I’m not denying you free speech by telling you to stop spreading bigoted lies. Don’t turn this into an issue of free speech, when you clearly are against freedom for those who don’t think like you.
You’re everything America doesn’t stand for: Intolerant and narrow-minded. I’m tickled that your paranoia has incited you to dedicate an entire website and so much of your time and energy to this lost cause. I see this is more of a hobby for you than anything else, and unfortunately the only way you can carve out an existence for yourself.
1. You are the one who brought up gthe Nazis, and Islam is today’s Nazism. That is why I asked if Jews were bigots for speaking out against the Nazis.
2. Just because Islam is protected by the Constitution does not mean that it is good for America. It should of never been granted religion status in the first place.
3. Don’t play word games with me, I said all pro-Sharia Muslims are to be looked upon as enemies of the state.
4. Muslims always whine about being oppressed or persecuted, the verses are clear and according to the Koran Mohammad’s action are to be followed for all times.
5. Christians are not on a major movement trying to impose religious laws on America. Muslims are though.
6. Show me the major Muslim movement against the UK Sharia Courts. The threat of Islam goes way beyond terrorism, so don’t try and limit it to that.
7. This site documents numerous Islamic groups that want Sharia in America. So stop lying, like your religion encourages you to.
8. Islam is what America does not stand for. It is the anti-thesis to America, and Islam is what is intolerant.
9. I really do not care what you think of me, and you should open your eyes. The anti-Islam movement is growing by the day. We will not be defeated!
Are are you for Islamic Law?
A Muslim wants to drop the bigot card….
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YUSUFALI: O ye who believe! take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends and protectors: They are but friends and protectors to each other. And he amongst you that turns to them (for friendship) is of them. Verily Allah guideth not a people unjust.
You get your information from the Quran, really? It looks to me you pull random articles from the web that make claims supported by “passages” that DO NOT come from the Quran. “we loved to do coitus interruptus” – really? Does this sound like something from a scripture? That’s because it’s not. The proof is in the sources you site, the unsupported claims you make, and your illogical connections between two unrelated concepts. If rape was in fact condoned, do you think the strictly Islamic states of Iran and Saudi Arabia would be enforcing capital punishment on those accused of this crime? How sad. People like you were born in the wrong era and are clearly nostalgic for the Crusades and Nazi Germany. You dedicate so much time and energy to hating a group of people and eradicating them- time you should be spending worshipping God and living life the way he intended. It boggles my mind how you hate ALL muslims because they’re extremists with an agenda to destroy America, when you are clearly in the exact same mindset. People like you will destroy the freedoms of this country and make it susceptible to more wars. Enjoy fighting this battle.
I said the Koran and ahadith, and that verse is from the hadith. That passage is from the the hadith of Islamic scholar Bukhari. The book number is there, go look it up. The taking of sex slaves is rape, no matter how much you want to spin it. It is also supported in the Koran.
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YUSUFALI: O Prophet! We have made lawful to thee thy wives to whom thou hast paid their dowers; and those whom thy right hand possesses out of the prisoners of war whom Allah has assigned to thee; and daughters of thy paternal uncles and aunts, and daughters of thy maternal uncles and aunts, who migrated (from Makka) with thee; and any believing woman who dedicates her soul to the Prophet if the Prophet wishes to wed her;- this only for thee, and not for the Believers (at large); We know what We have appointed for them as to their wives and the captives whom their right hands possess;- in order that there should be no difficulty for thee. And Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.
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YUSUFALI: But (now) enjoy what ye took in war, lawful and good: but fear Allah: for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.
The Crusades were in response to 100’s of years of Muslim aggression, of course your Imam will not admit this. If Islam is not stopped, Muslims will destroy the freedoms of America, and Americans are waking up to the fact that Muslims use the freedoms of the West to destroy the West from within. Point out where I said to kill all Muslims, and speaking of the Nazis do you care to talk about how the Mufti of Jerusalem helped Hitler?
“At the Nuremberg Trials, Eichmann’s deputy Dieter Wisliceny (subsequently executed as a war criminal) testified:
The Mufti was one of the initiators of the systematic extermination of European Jewry and had been a collaborator and adviser of Eichmann and Himmler in the execution of this plan. … He was one of Eichmann’s best friends and had constantly incited him to accelerate the extermination measures. I heard him say, accompanied by Eichmann, he had visited incognito the gas chamber of Auschwitz.
With the collapse of Nazi Germany in 1945, the Mufti moved to Egypt where he was received as a national hero. After the war al-Husseini was indicted by Yugoslavia for war crimes, but escaped prosecution. The Mufti was never tried because the Allies were afraid of the storm in the Arab world if the hero of Arab nationalism was treated as a war criminal.”
http://www.palestinefacts.org/pf_mandate_grand_mufti.php
I am not trying to impose a set of barbaric religious laws on America, Muslims are.
The God of Islam, is no God of mine.
The truth, Ariana, is that we do not hate Muslims. What we hate is the evil that is perpetrated in the religious system of Islam. You can’t even speak the truth because your Sharia law punishes women who speak out or do not “please” their husbands (talk about vague!). Time for you to quit calling names and making accusations and maybe doing some analysis of your religious laws. Meanwhile,am reading Nonie Darwish and you guys are truly in bondage.
I agree 100% jesus would never support a so called religion of peace that is full of evil behavior.
Were the Jews evil and bigoted for opposing Nazism? Why are you in support of the bigotry of Islam? Please explain.
Thanks.
The only people here who are against freedom are you and your cronies, who cannot stand the thought of extending religious freedom and speech to muslims. When challenged about your bigotry and prejudice, you retort with “free speech”. The fact that I’m engaging you in a debate clearly shows that I am inviting you to respond, an indication of free speech.
Again, the passages you are citing have been mistranslated. How do I know? Because I read the Quran in Arabic and it states “NON-BELIEVERS” will be fighting the Muslims on judgment day, not “JEWS”. The Quran makes a clear distinction between non-believers and Christians/Jews.
You getting angry, and telling that I should not be posting this stuff, says how much you are for free speech. The Koran passages were translated by Islamic scholar Y. Ali. But maybe you know better.
The passage about Jews and judgement day was from the hadith, not the Koran. You really do not know much about Islam, and the Koran calls for the dominance of Christians and Jews. Your opinion does not outweigh the verses that I post.
One more time….were the Jews bigots for opposing Nazism?
Islam is against the freedoms of the West, and in the name of freedom we will not let Islam takeover.
You are a true DHIMMI!!
No, I cant believe Christ would allow this group to spread and you know this to be true if you read a Bible or were a Christian.
If Christ chased out the MONEY CHANGERS from the temple than why do you think he would be friendly towards a group who tells Jews need to be killed, that He Himself is a muslim, and that God has no Son?
Are you still with me knucklehead?
To answer your comment about God having a Son, I think I’ll let the Bible speak for itels:
19:16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?
19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
Please read your idiotic comments and think rationally. The Quran does not tell people to murder Jews. In fact, one of the early supporters and protecters of Muhammad were Jewish tribesmen. Please read a book rather than waste your breath on hate speech that has no basis. According to you, Christ was an angry, hateful individual much like you. That concerns me about Christianity’s teachings and how radicalized its followers might become. I think you’re an excellent example of a lunatic who doesn’t understand religion and misinterprets it for his own vengeful behavior. Congratulations, you’re now a member of the same kind of extremism you despise.
Obviously you are another Muslim who cannot deal with free speech, that is your problem. The Islamic view of Jesus, and that of Christianity are not the same.
The Islamic scriptures call for Muslims to fight and kill Jews to reach judgement day.
Book 041, Number 6985:
Abu Huraira reported Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: The last hour would not come unless the Muslims will fight against the Jews and the Muslims would kill them until the Jews would hide themselves behind a stone or a tree and a stone or a tree would say: Muslim, or the servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me; come and kill him; but the tree Gharqad would not say, for it is the tree of the Jews.
Either you do not know your own religion, or you are lying like your religion encourages you to.
Jesus would not be happy with Islam. He would not support a religion of extortion, lying, and rape.
I would like to clarify one thing Jesus did say, which is “I am the way, and the truth and the life; no one comes to the Father except through me.”
I am a lunatic?
How original.
Yes, some Jews did protect mohmammedthemadman and it cost them all their lives.
I believe it was in Yemen or another part of Arabia during his “peaceful” spreading of the islamic message. It was after a battle when Jews did not support him or attack him and they were all given an ultimatum to convert or die.
They all told the moeman NO and between 600-900 Jews were thrown into a pit and butchered-burned alive. I will find the book, page, and author tomorrow at work to simply make a fool of you which wont be hard.
So you still think he was great-tolerant to Jews in his day my little dhimmi…or is it dimwit?
Oops, another thing if you knew the koran you would realize that there are appm. 136 verses that COMMAND muslims to extort, kill, enslave, etc, ALL non-muslims and to NOT take any outsiders as friends as commanded by allah, moeman, the hadiths (do you know anything of the hadiths) and the koran itself so please tell me again what do you know of islam?
You are boring me.
as god says in. quran. (we have sent our messangar with riligion of truh.it will over power them all. how might non beliver dont like it) so u should ask yourself despite all your effort and effort of media to give islam bad name islam is stil the fasttest gwoing religion in the world.if islam does not give right to the women then why more and more women are coming to islam. how can u say islam is of evil when it says
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as god says in. quran. (we have sent our messangar with riligion of truh.it will over power them all. how might non beliver dont like it) so u should ask yourself despite all your effort and effort of media to give islam bad name islam is stil the fasttest gwoing religion in the world.if islam does not give right to the women then why more and more women are coming to islam. how can u say islam is of evil when it says
remove any harmfull object off the way which can harm other human being. as god says (hell is abode for proud one) so choice is yours u cant defeat god
Islam gives itself its bad name: 9/11, London 7/7, Paris Metro, Moscow Metro, Beslan, USS Cole, Mumbai, In Amenas and so on. No help is needed from outsiders to express the Ideology of Killing.
Here we have the usual blame the media card. The only problem with your comment is that the MSM does not go into the Islamic scriptures. It is protective of Islam.
Islam does not grant equal rights to women, in court testimony is one example of that. Islam allows the rape of captives of war. You consider that “rights”?
Mohammad was no prophet, he was just a perverted con man.
Christians please visit http://www.muslimjesus.net to find out why Jesus Christ is the Prophet of Allah and not a Pagan God.
Islam is profane.
Mohammed is a false prophet.
Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me, a sinner.
Your faith teaches you arrogance, and that you possess perfect truth.
In that, you are deceived unto death and away from salvation.
There is no salvation in Islam.
There is only death and the killing of others.
I have a savior.
Why would I want just another prophet?
Ask an atheist, a Unitarian or a lapsed Baptist. I’m sure your luck will be much better there.
Don’t sell your snake oil to orthodox Christians. You’ve been trying for thousands of years, and from what I see, they’d rather emigrate than tolerate your terrorism.
Of course you left out the part about the Islamic scriptures stating Jesus will come back and destroy Christianity. (Break the cross). This site is a graveyard for Muslim con artists.
You can be sure that thosebuilding this mosque will go all out to build it bigger than the nearest church as this is what muslims do. Thereby the mosque will become the dominant feature of the rural landscape. God help us all in this fight against the devil.
Chris, you are absolutely correct when you say we must get the Christian groups involve. It’s paramount not only stopping Islam in American but stopping the destruction of Western Civilization. The Catholic Church is going to be real hard to get motivated. Remember the picture of Pope John Paul holding up the Koran in the Vatican and talking about interfaith dialog? Today’s Christians are the biggest dimmies in the world, they still wants to believe in peace, forgiveness and turn the other cheek. That’s fine but there is going to be a come to Jesus meeting with Islam and Christians need to start pulling their head out of their asses. Just look at the Middle East and you can see what has happened to all the Christians. Now don’t everyone on this blog get their panties in a bunch and start telling me how they are Christians and aren’t sitting around doing nothing. I know this, the problem is with the leadership and they are just as PC as the government. In the case of the Catholic church, right now they don’t want to be confrontational because they feel they have lost their moral high ground after years of sexual abuse in the church. The most important thing we can do right now is just try and get Christians to think it’s aright to say something bad about another religion and then explain to them how Islam is no religion..elmore
Hi Michael,
Turning the other cheek in regards to Islam is a slow suicide. How many more Christians have to suffer under Islamic rule, before Christians say enough is enough?
For all of you concerned about extremist Islam: http://harpers.org/archive/2009/05/0082488
Admin, you make me laugh. What Christians are suffering under Islamic rule? It’s a fact that Jews and Christians have been treated more humanely under Islamic laws than the other way around. Let’s take a look at the violence being perpetrated in the Middle Easy by Christians: Eric Prince, CEO of Blackwater USA is a devout Christian who saw the war in Iraq as a calling to wage holly war against Muslims. There is a group of Fundamentalist Christians in the military from CT, who have tortured, raped, and murdered innocent civilians and Iraqi civilians alike under the guise of religious duty. Let’s not forget about the “Jesus Kill Muhammad” incident of 2004, when thousands of muslims were provoked and massacred by people who share the same extreme beliefs as people like you. It’s people who share your viewpoints of religious supremacy that I’m concerned about and who have a track record for wreaking havoc in all parts of the world. Quite frankly, I’m concerned about people like you and what your capable of, more so than a group of muslims in California who simply want a place to worship.
For staters the Coptics of Egypt, and Christians in Pakistan. I guess your Imam did not tell you this. Anyone can do a search here (Christianity) to see more on this issue.
I want to end the Iraq war, and nothing happening over there means that non-Muslims have to accept Islam here.
Mohammad himself was an “extremist”.
Read more carefully. I am not religious.
Christians are being persecuted, enslaved, and murdered every day in Africa and elsewhere…by none other than those espousing Islam. You keep accusing the Admin of not reading but when I read comments such as yours, I consider it utterly laughable and in some ways not even worth addressing. Do you need links to all of the articles? All you have to do is go on the website for Voice of the Martyrs and you will see much. I read a story about a little boy who converted to Christianity and you know what Muhammad’s followers did? They set that precious child on fire? Hmmm.
Protestant Christians are waking up and many are arming themselves to protect themselves in what they see as an imminent war with satan’s hordes. I am a protestant Christian and I say plenty. I refuse to live under the “religous” laws of another “religion”
Also watch out for halal ingredients in foodstuffs. Do not eat these if you are a Christian or a Jew.
Islam is not a religion. It is a political system that has already established its plan of world domination. Europe is almost lost to Islam. Islam is of the devil. Chris L., we agree with your statement, “Islam cannot be won in America without a large Christian movement. ” ISLAM IS OF THE DEVIL, written by Dr. Terry Jones, explains how this can take place.
Stephanie, “Islam is not a religion. It is a political system”
The only Religion in the World that has its own Country – Catholicism.
“Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;”.
Kinda in a bind on this one.
Catholicism is not the only religion that has it’s own country as you wrongly refer to the Vatican. Islam has Saudi Arabia, and Iran for starters and those really are countries. Catholics do not run around carrying signs that say “to hell with freedom” Catholics do not have a barbaric set of laws that superceed The laws of a country.
“Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;”.
The intent is freedom of religion not the freedom to impose a religion and a set of laws on others thereby denying them freedom of religion. It does not mean you have the right to commit mass murder in the name of religion. It does not mean you can ignore the laws of the land you live in. It does not mean you have the right to marginalize those who do not adhere to your religion. It does not mean you have the right to put religious death contracts out on people who publicly disagree with your religion. It does not mean it’s ok to murder people who choose to leave your religion. It does not mean you can do what you want when you want to anyone you want in the name of religion and totally disregard the civil rights of others. No one foresaw a religion of PURE HATRED coming to our shores or there would have been provisions against it in our constitution.
This church is standing up for Christians while we still can before the religion of hate consumes our country and reverts it back to the barbarism of Dark Ages.
Once again the ROH takes and twists things to fit it’s stated purpose of domination, death, humiliation and subjugation to all who value their souls too much to convert.
Are you referring to the Vatican? You can freely visit it. But try going to Mecca or Medina if you’re not an arselifter.
Good for this church! America needs to wake up to the advancement of Islam on American. These people will stop at nothing. Now I am not a religious person, however, I do believe that Islam is a direct threat to the National Security of the US. Those of us that are a little more informed with Islam need to spread the word and educate Americans of Islam’s agenda.
My translator in Iraq, who saved quite a few lives in 2007, became an American citizen just two days ago. I refuse to believe he’s a threat to National Security because he’s an Iraq born Muslim.
Considering you are posting under multiple names here, I doubt that very much.
The politicos in California and, indeed, the nazi/commies in Washington and New York, are all for appeasement at any cost in the attempt to show the world that we are “reasonable”. Islam forces a modification of that thinking as they are dedicated to the idea that islam will rule the world. The best way to deal with islam is to reject it totally and to eliminate it root and branch from wherever it appears. No other method is either logical or effective.
You are not yet as far down the drain as Eurabia is but with such speed things now develop you might also soon see burning cities and no-go zones where you kuffar cannot go without risk for your own lives. And the arselifters will not just stay in their enclaves. They will pollute the rest of the city as well. Yelling, honking, raping, robbering and murdering their way through the kuffars part of town as well. You will see their “helmets”, “bayonets” and most of all, their “soldiers” everywhere you go.
Truely sad. I used to attend Faith Baptist Church just 10 mins. north of there. Bruce Goddard is a fire and brimstone pastor there. He would surely be against this. If he has been studying Islams encroachment through the years. Anyone with a brain, would be against it. If I were there today, as sure as Christ is King, I’d be there gathering signatures, and mobilizing the people. Islamism is political. Incompatible with Democratic freedoms. It must be stopped!
The redundancy of the term ‘Islamic extremist’
needs to be understood by the apologists, before they will shut up.
So it’s okay for Christians to have their churches but Muslims can’t have their Mosques? Kinda hypocritical but not surprising.
Churchs are not built as monuments of intimidation. Mac either you are a muslim or you are dhimmi. Hope you enjoy your second class status if you are a dhimmi and if you are an atheiest it will be convert or have your head laboriously sawed off. Keep on supporting them and voila!
Here is something for you to read. This is true and hopefully will begin to open your eyes and see the truth about islam and their goals
http://www.masada2000.org/Islam-Rules.html
Here’s the key difference between the “religion” of Islam and Christianity. Christians believe in a God who will judge individuals based on whether they accepted Jesus as Savior and it is merely Christians responsibility to live in a way that honors and displays the Gospel to others. We are not responsible for bringing God’s judgement on other individuals. However, Islam requires its adherants to ENFORCE the rule of allah on earth. they are not to rest until EVERY PERSON AND EVERY SPOT is professing allah and under sharia rule. I believe allah is satan and using the deception we call islam to fulfill bible prophecy of the end times. read DAniel, Ezekiel, Matthew 24 and the book of Revelation. you will see allah’s handiwork throughout, but the victor will be Jesus Christ. better choose a side now.
Islam has just as much of a right to exist in the US as any other religion does. Even if some of it’s members are insane. Goes with every other religion/faith out there. Look at the cults who claim to be Christian and want to bring the government down.
So much for not being judgmental, right?
Some are insane? I would say the whole lot of them have at least 20 or more screws loose!
Just because something is legal in America does not mean it is good for America, and we have the right to speak out against it.m Point out the other major religious movement that is trying to impose a barbaric set of religious laws on all.
Sammy, you are a bonehead of the 3rd degree.
Let me say something that I regularly say on sites.
“IF all muslims are NOT terrorists than WHY, oh why, are ALL captured or dead terrorists turn out to be muslims?”
Islam does NOT have a right to exist anywhere outside their own lands for the fact that ANY other religion in an islamic nation is outlawed and some to the point of death if muslims find out their peers have converted or just stopped practicing.
They have no right to be here for the fact that they engage in daily sedition against the nation and even treason.
You people are hopeless…please exit America ASAP and go to an islamic state.
Lets see the truth. Any cult of Christianity was held in place and stopped. Very Small cults may have started but stayed small. Islams job is to convert the world. Before you stand for Islam and its rights it should get. Please read the Quran. Until then please do not comment on something you do not fully understand.
Persia was a great nation of kings and lived in peace, then Islam came along. Look at it today.
See Islam cannot do here what it did 1500 years ago and just kill to convert. They would be resisted easily. The need to be slow and quiet. As more Muslims come to America from Pakistan and other places they will increase their numbers and ask for more and demand more. Fact is many places were great then Islam cam along. Remember those Islamic nations were never like that until Islam was dominant in that country.
I, too, have studied Islam since 9/11 when 100% Muslims murdered almost 3,000 innocent Americans.
First of all, I don’t judge Islamism. I write the truth about Islamism.
If the whole world by magic converted to Islamism this instant, the first thing that would happen is:
All women would be classified as second class citizens. That means that all women would not have the equal rights of men. What is it that you don’t understand? Why should your mothers and sweethearts be accorded an injustice? Why should we lower the females, your mothers, sweethearts, and wives, to second class status? Notice: Only stupid Shariah treats women in this fashion. Do we need nore stupid Islamism? I don’t think so.
If everyone on the planet became Islamist, all women would be subjected to Female Genital Mutilation. At present, there are 140,000,000 little girls that have had their clitoris cut off. Not only is this operation cruel, it is also very painful and injurious. This operation is a grave injustice to women. The True God has endowed women with a clitoris. So what right do sadistic Muslims have to cut off the clitoris of a female child? It is painful; it is wrong; it is demonic; it is antichrist. Again, I ask, what right does a false religion have to cut off a clitoris of a little girl? This is tantamount to cutting off the testicles of males. Would you males like that? So let’s not be stupid. Let’s fight for the rights of little girls. Don’t be cruel; don’t be violent; don’t be wrong. Notice that only Shariah Law chops off clitorises. That means that only stupid Muslims violate little girls in this fashion. Why do you want more stupid Muslims? Don’t forget, these crazies would do these cruel things to your little sisters and little daughters if everyone becomes Muslim. DON’T BE STUPID. THINK ABOUT IT!
There are Honor Killings ONLY in Islamism, about 15,000 each year, that are legally meted out by Shariah? Many of these murders occur because of very insignificant reasons. It could be because a Muslim daughter smiled at an “infidel” boy, or because the daughter failed to wear a Muslim rag on her head. Now, why is it legal to murder a daughter for insignificant reasons? What right does a Muslim have to murder their daughters for anything? I’ll tell you what right—the same right that 19 Muslim murderers had when they murdered almost 3,000 innocent Americans on 9/11 in New York.
NOTICE: ONLY STUPID MUSLIMS PRACTICE HONOR KILLINGS!
There are about five or six Muslim Suicide Bombers that blow up themselves every day in a crowd of innocent people. Notice: only Muslims do these stupid things. If the whole world became Muslim this very instant, the bombings would increase dramatically—as many as 200 each day. Now, tell me, why do you want more stupid Muslims? Why do you want more Suicide Bombers?
There are many more injustices perpetrated by Islamism. Many of you stupid Americans had better grow a human brain so that you can understand what Islamism is all about.
I MEAN THAT!!!! MAY GOD BLESS AND MAY YOU BECOME EDUCATED.
In addition to the above, which i totally agree with, if Islam took the whole world over tomorrow there would be no peace as they would then begin to fight each other on an even grander scale than they are today. A religion founded on war, death, destruction, misery, and mayhem must constantly have those things in order to survive.
I believe that the Calvary Baptist Church should be held to the same standards that Bill Rench would use in opposing the Islamic Mosque. We can ask the Salem “witches,” the massacred Indigenous Americans, the victims of the crusades and the European sectarian wars, the victims of the Inquisition, and and those raped (“molested”) by clergy to do the judging.
I am so sick and tired of hearing Jesus name dragged through the mud. when the Son of man comes in his glory, he will say to y’all “I was a stranger, and you did not invite me in.” Period. Don’t try to rationalize why Islamic people aren’t covered by Jesus’ plain words. Either live them, or call yourselves something else (“for the LORD will not hold anyone guiltless who misuses his name.”)
You are a fool. What did Jesus say about fighting the devil? What does the Bible say?
Why is pislam satanic compared to any other religion? Best you watch this video and get a clue lest you be taken for a fool –
http://madaboutmahound.blogspot.com/2010/07/3-things-you-should-know-about-pislam.html
You should be able to judge something of a movement or a writing by evaluating the author and whether his life stands up to scrutiny. Today’s true followers of the Koran which exemplifiy the behavior of Muhammed, are the ones we call “extremists”. What we should really worry about is when more and more of them begin to get serious about their faith, and they will as they see Islam gaining strength in Europe and USA.
To learn about Muhammed, check this out:
Here is a free 295 page pdf downloadable book by Sujit Das:
Unmasking Muhammed: The Malignant Narcissist and his Grand Delusion Allah
https://acrobat.com/#d=WsvZBY1sY0pLKbrDQmGZyA
Every muslim should be forced to read it to give them the sense to leave Islam, and every non-muslim needs to read it to defend against those who don’t.
The author uses extensive understanding of psychiatry, history, the Qu’ran and the life of Muhammed. It is the most exhaustive source I’ve seen. He doesn’t hold the copyright and wants this disseminated as widely as possible. Please repost this source as often as applicable.
Never mind the noise of the traffic. What about the noise of the mizen calling the faithful to prayers five times daily? It just ain’t the same as the ring of a quiet bell in a bell tower. Allaaaaaahu akbar! Allaaaaaaaa,///cough, cough cough. See what I mean? Just imagine that blaring in your windows at 5 o-clock in the morning.
And right in the middle of wine country? That’s a big no, no! Sooner or later they’re going to get upset about the alcohol and try to put a ban on manufacturing of wines in the area.
It’s a BIG mistake to have any moon-cult-mosque with its penis-towers move in! Period!
Exactly, one demand leads to another. No one should cater to them at all.
Dear admin, I noticed one of the first things “Ariana” said in her first or second reply to you was” We don’t want your freedoms”. Then later she says the opposite.
I really believe that islam has got into these people’s DNA and turns them into lying vicious zombies.
Hi Juniper,
If Muslims do not want our freedoms, than they must want Sharia, and if you saw “Ariana” said there was no Sharia push in America. Many Muslims like her will say anything, to try and get us to back off. We cannot fall for it, the threat is alive and kicking.
You are totally lying about alleged moderate muslims.
If there are ANY moderate muslims out there in la-la land than tell me please how come the moderate 95% or so moderates can NOT control the 5% radical brethren?
Right, there are NONE whatsoever you pathetic excuse of a debater.
There are muslims who throw bombs and others who just tie up our western courts to their advantage.
That is slowly, coming to an end as more people are realizing the threat of islime and making changes to governments that will not protect them from this 7th century deathcult.
remember beat the women and stone them if they look at another man.if they show their ankle flog them. keep out.
no admittance
thank you for speaking up
Your’re welcome, and thanks for your support donsch.
Over seven million Muslim immigrants into the USA within the last 20 years and currently at a rate of more than 2,000 per month from refugees fleeing Iraq. It was assumed by congress that these Muslims would meld into U.S. culture and society but today America faces home-grown Islamic terrorists created by those mosques and now a home-grown Muslim about to construct a multi-million dollar mosque at Ground Zero with who money??? Most likely with Saudi Arabia money. A mosque creates a territorial “marker.” It shows dominance. If you look at the Muslim onslaught in Europe, it’s the nature of their tribe. It’s the “Will of Allah” that all humans convert to Islam, the religion of “Peace” as long as you subvert to its rule. Americans have to wake up. Christianity will never die. We have a real problem in Ameria with immigrants coming … illegals from mexico using up our social services. In 1954 Pres. Eisenhower used his power to deport every illegal out of the US so that jobs could be given back to Americans and help our economy and it worked. Illegals only take and take. Muslims want to take over.
Welcome to the site Bobbi,
We should have looked to the Islam in Europe warning, along time ago.
It’s not too late. We have to stop this immigration problem in America. In ten more years our culture will be gone. Our schools are already showing signs of failure due to different races demanding their culture, their language. Bill Crosby summed it up Any use of the phrase: ‘Press 1 for English’ is immediately banned. English is the official language; speak it or wait outside of our borders until you can. Social Security will immediately return to its original state. If you didn’t put nuttin in, you ain’t gettin nuttin out. Neither the President nor any other politician will be able to touch it. All foreign aid, using American taxpayer money, will immediately cease and the saved money will help to pay off the national debt and, ultimately, lower taxes. When disasters occur around the world, we’ll ask The American People if they want to donate to a disaster fund, and each citizen can make the decision as to whether, or not, it’s a worthy cause. The Pledge of Allegiance will be said every day at school and every day in Congress. The National Anthem will be played at all appropriate ceremonies, sporting events, outings, etc. He says more but these are great. Why do muslims invade us??? To conquer. That’s the only reason. Go home. Stop letting all people into America. We have enough with all these demands on us.
May God bless to all readers. As a born Muslim in Malaysia I think what’s happening to Muslim around the world that they are blind followers. The imams (mostly blind about peace and
development)indoctrinated the young Muslims with hatred hatred towards other religion. If a drop of water continuously dripping on rock , it will make a hole onto the rock. My advise all other religions embracers do not let the Muslims to either come to your country even for learning because majority of their mind already set by their religious teacher. The Arabs, Pakistanis, Indonesian etc are those mind corrupted….
Just like the Disney lawsuit. Again, they demand their rights. What about Disney’s Rights. I pray that Disney does not settle out of court to this muslim who demands her rights to wear a scarf on her head. She knew the rules about dress code. When I go to Disney parks I do not want to see muslims in their outfits. I go to take my children for our American cultures. Do you not see how they are invading us???? Stop letting muslims into our country. Deport all muslims out of America before it’s too late.
Admin, this response is late coming.I’m a concerned American Citizen who is resently researching on my own about Islam, how they strategically infiltrate, with goal of taking over. I concur with you that “The bottom line with Muslim immigration is trouble”
I’ve had the opportunity to hear both speakers from the websites below, who are trying to get the message about islam to the American people. I encourage you all to check out these websites. great information.
Ariana, if you’re still out there, these sites may be a bit too much for you. especially Usama’s Straightway.org. he gives facts from the Quran and from the Holy bible.
http://www.thestraightway.org/
http://www.actforamerica.org/
Welcome to the site Annalisa!
I am in full agreement