As I search the Internet for articles about Islam, I also read some of the comment sections. Of course there are always people leaving comments, in an attempt to get us to back off. One that I frequently see is “What would Jesus do”. This is nothing more than an attempt to try to get us to turn the other cheek, and ignore the threat of Islam. Please do not fall for it. The other day a wrote to my friend Church Elder Louis Palme, who pulls no punches when it comes to Islam. Here is his response.
What would Jesus Do? and What Would Muhammad Do?
By Louis Palme @ Annaqed.com. Please give him a visit.
There seems to be a new approach developing in the dialogue between Christians and Muslims. More and more, people are asking, “What Would Jesus Do?” Those asking the question, however, are not Christians, but rather, Muslims. They are trying to remind Christians that their intolerance of Islamic ideology is somehow un-Christian because, certainly, Jesus would seek peace, turn the other cheek, and love His enemies.
It is easy (and deceptive) to find “proof quotes” to support almost any pre-conceived agenda – whether it is a Christian agenda or a Muslim agenda. It is also true that the Messiah (as Jesus is called in the Quran) was a advocate of peace – not the peace of willing or unwilling surrender (Surah 3:83), but the peace that is free from worry or fear. (John 14:27) Jesus spoke kindly to people regardless of their race or their own personal sins, but that doesn’t mean he condoned their sins. He insisted that people stop their sinning and repent. (John 8:11)
With that caution in mind, let’s consider some of the hot-button issues dividing Christians and Muslims.
What would Jesus and Muhammad do regarding: Separation of Church and State, Personal Responsibility, Praying in Public, Hypocrisy and Deceit, Stoning and other punishments, Killing in the Name of God, etc. (Since Muhammad is the “good example” of Islamic practice, what he would do is represented either by texts from the Quran or the authoritative Hadith.)
The Purpose of their Missions:
Jesus: “The thief comes only in order to steal, kill, and destroy. I have come in order that you might have life — life in all its fullness.” (John 10:10)
Muhammad: “I have been given five things which were not given to any one else before me. 1. Allah made me victorious by awe, (by His frightening my enemies) for a distance of one month’s journey. 2. The earth has been made for me (and for my followers) a place for praying and a thing to perform Tayammum (washing ones face and hands with soil), therefore anyone of my followers can pray wherever the time of a prayer is due. 3. The booty has been made Halal (lawful) for me yet it was not lawful for anyone else before me. 4. I have been given the right of intercession (on the Day of Resurrection). 5. Every Prophet used to be sent to his nation only but I have been sent to all mankind.” (Bukhari, Vol. 7, Number 331)
Power and Might:
Jesus: [When promised the world by Satan if he would bow to him,] “Go away, Satan! The Scripture says, ‘Worship the Lord your God and serve only him.’” (Matthew 4:10) “All those who take the sword will die by the sword.” (Matthew 26:52)
Muhammad: “I have been sent with the shortest expressions bearing the widest meanings, and I have been made victorious with terror, and while I was sleeping, the keys of the treasures of the world were brought to me and put in my hand.” (Bukhari, Vol. 4, Number 220)
Separation of Church and State:
Jesus: “Pay to the Emperor what belongs to the Emperor, and pay to God what belongs to God.” (Luke 20:19-26)
Muhammad: Those you serve besides Allah are nothing but names which you and your fathers have devised and for which Allah has revealed not sanction. Judgment rests only with Allah. (Surah 12:40) Allah will not let the unbelievers triumph [rule] over the faithful. (Surah 4:142)
Personal Responsibility:
Jesus: “Anyone who looks at a woman and wants to possess her is guilty of committing adultery with her in his heart.” (Matthew 5:28)
Muhammad: Prophet, enjoin your wives, your daughters, and the wives of true believers to draw their veils close around them. That is more proper, so that they may be recognized and not be molested. (Surah 33:59)
Praying in Public:
Jesus: Make certain you do not perform your religious duties in public so that people will see what you do. If you do these things publicly, you will not have any reward from [God] in heaven.” (Matthew 6:1)
Muhammad: “Believers, when you are summoned to Friday [public] prayers hasten to the remembrance of God and cease your trading.” (Surah 62:9) [Friday was market day in Medina, so the market place was filled with shoppers. Calling the prayer at noon on Friday would maximize the visibility of the Muslims going to prayer. The Surah reveals that Muhammad was annoyed that some preferred commerce and merriment to public worship.]
Hypocrisy and Deceit:
Jesus: “How terrible for you, teachers of the Law and Pharisees! You hypocrites! You are like whitewashed tombs, which look fine on the outside but are full of bones and decaying corpses on the inside. In the same way, on the outside you appear good to everybody, but inside you are full of hypocrisy and sin.” (Matthew 23:27)
Muhammad: Allah is the supreme plotter. (Surah 3:54) Allah is profound in his machinations. (Surah 8:30) Allah is the master of all scheming. (Surah 13:42)
Stoning and other Punishments:
Jesus: [To the woman caught in adultery] “I do not condemn you, but do not sin again.” (John 8:11) [Regarding eye-for-an-eye punishments,] “Do not take revenge on someone who wrongs you.” (Matthew 5:38 )
Muhammad: [When a woman repented from adultery, Muhammad allowed her to have her baby and wean him, and then he pronounced his judgment:] And she was put in a ditch up to her chest and he commanded people and they stoned her [to death]. (Muslim, Book 17, Number 4206) Believers, retaliation is decreed for you in bloodshed. . . In retaliation you have a safeguard for your lives; perchance you will guard yourselves against evil. (Surah 2:178 – 180)
Killing in the Name of God:
Jesus: “The time will come when anyone who kills you will think that by doing this he is serving God. People will do these things to you because they have not known either [God] or me. But I have told you this, so that when the time comes for them to do these things, you will remember what I told you.” (John 16:2-4)
Muhammad: Allah has purchased from the faithful their lives and worldly goods and in return has promised them the Garden. They will fight for the cause of Allah, slay and be slain. Such is the true promise which He has made them in the Torah, the Gospel, and the Quran. [This is actually NOT true.] And who is more true to his pledge than Allah? [See “Hypocrisy and Deceit,” above.] Rejoice then in the bargain you have made. (Surah 9:111)
To correct a spelling error in my last post. The Mede-Persian Empire relaced the Babylonian Empire.
Part 2.
More from aheo:
“ … “Then I heard the LORD say to the other men, “Follow him through the city and kill everyone whose forehead is not marked. Show no mercy; have no pity! Kill them all – old and young, girls and women and little children. But do not touch anyone with the mark. Begin your task right here at the Temple.” So they began by killing the seventy leaders. “Defile the Temple!” the LORD commanded. “Fill its courtyards with the bodies of those you kill! Go!” So they went throughout the city and did as they were told.” (Ezekiel 9:5-7 NLT) …”
Ezekiel was a contemporary of Jeremiah, Daniel, Hananiah, Mishael, and Azariah. All but Jeremiah were taken into captivity and exiled in Babylon. Remember what happened to Babylon (please see previous post). If we go back to Ez 8:12, we see that HaShem is making a case against errant Israel.
Ez. 8:12
12 Then said He unto me: ‘Son of man, hast thou seen what the elders of the house of Israel do in the dark, every man in his chambers of imagery? for they say: HaShem seeth us not, HaShem hath forsaken the land.’
Israel has always been held to a higher standard because of the their Eternal Covenant at Sinai. Eternal Covenants are serious business, especially if one of the parties in the Covenant is Eternal!!!
Now onto the Brit Hadasha (New Covenant or Testament). The challenge from aheo includes the verses below.
“ …“If any man come to me, and not hate his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sister, yet, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple” (Luke 14:26).
And
“Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword” MATTHEW 10:3 … “
(actually Mat. 10:34)
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Let’s consider Mat. 10: 34 first. Muslims lock onto ant statement that has a sword motif, however they sword that Yeshua (Jesus in the Greek) will wield will be the sword of “Truth” and it will be to put down all the forces of evil and save humanity. It will not be to establish a religion; it will be to establish a Kingdom of Peace. Yeshua will be coming to stop a war, not start one.
In Islamic countries, if one leaves Islam, then they are indeed treated as ‘hating’ family and quite possibly be beheaded for converting away from Islam’s paganism. Yeshua foretold that the world would hate him and that his Talmidim would fare no better. The world would bring a sword against those who dared to trust and believe that He is the promised Messiah. Islam has brought forth false prophets and false messiahs, of which Isa and the Mahdi are prime examples. Islam has vowed to bring the sword to the world. As the Messiah has told us:
Luke 12:
12:4 And I say unto you my friends, Be not afraid of them that kill the body, and after that have no more that they can do.
12:5 But I will forewarn you whom ye shall fear: Fear him, which after he hath killed hath power to cast into hell; yea, I say unto you, Fear him.
If Ha Shem be for us; who shall we fear???
More if needed:
Now your arguments are becoming circular. I believe that I started to show above the context that the verses that you posted could easily be taken out of context, and many times are taken out of their context when having a dialog with Muslims. In the Qur’an there are numerous places where verses following a statement (or verse) show no context or logical progression at all.
You stated:
” … I do believe in the old and new testament!!! … ”
Your above statement shows that you have access to a Bible, but perhaps only a cursory knowledge of the same. This is the same folly that most people run into when having a dialog with Muslims.
This is Islam!!!
” … …the Islamic Resistance Movement aspires to realize the promise of Allah, no matter how long it takes. The Prophet, Allah’s prayer and peace be upon him, says: “The hour of judgment shall not come until the Muslims fight the Jews and kill them, so that the Jews hide behind trees and stones, and each tree and stone will say: ‘Oh Muslim, oh servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him,’ except for the Gharqad tree, for it is the tree of the Jews.” (Sahih Muslim, Book 41, Number 6985)
and
” … Yusuf al-Qaradawi has publicly advocated all of the following:
* That Muslims emulate their prophet Muhammad as a model for violent, expansionist jihad, which includes the sanctioning of so-called jihad “martyrdom operations”
* The re-creation of a formal transnational United Islamic State (Islamic Caliphate)
The jihad conquests of Europe and the Americas
* Universal application of the Sharia, Islamic Law including Islamic blasphemy law, and the Sharia-based hadd punishments (for example, notably, executing so-called “apostates” from Islam)
* Homicide “martyrdom” bombings of all Israeli Jews, including non-combatants, and subsequently, invoking Hitler and expanding the circle of hatred, a call for the frank jihad genocide of all Jews (“This was divine punishment for them. Allah willing, the next time will be at the hand of the believers.”) * Qaradawi also expressed a personal longing to die in a homicidal “martyrdom” operation targeting Jews: “I’d like to say that the only thing I hope for is that as my life approaches its end, Allah will give me an opportunity to go to the land of Jihad and resistance, even if in a wheelchair. I will shoot Allah’s enemies, the Jews, and they will throw a bomb at me, and thus, I will seal my life with martyrdom. Praise be to Allah, Lord of the Worlds. Allah’s mercy and blessings upon you.”) … ”
and about desroying the culture:
“… The Ikhwan [Muslim Brotherhood] must understand that their work in America is a kind of grand jihad in eliminating and destroying the Western civilization from within and “sabotaging” its miserable house by their hands and by the hands of the believers so that it is eliminated and God’s religion is made victorious over all other religions. …”
http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/understanding-the-jihad-against-israel-and-america/
Sunni vs. Shiite violence is growing at an astronomical rate. Of the over 17000 terror attacks since 9/11; many have been Muslim on Muslim violence. There is no real peace or safety in Islam; not even for Muslims.
It is Islam that has vowed to destroy our culture; it is Islam that has a zero-tolerance attitude, it is Islam that is the world’s greatest tyrant, and all tyranny must be resisted. You err greatly, aheo, about who is really intolerant!!!
I do not condemn, and if you, prove to me that the Prophet Mohamed was rape
Then you are an enemy of Western Civilization.
Here is your proof.
https://loganswarning.com/2010/03/20/islam-101-the-religion-of-rape/
did Mohammed come across that 9 years old girl in a ghetto and then raped her? Or he married her? the story of that marriage is Muhammad asked for her hand in marriage. the girl’s father told him that she had already been engaged!!
It means, at that early time, marrying a very young girl was a norm, not only in the Arabic peninsula but also in the heart of Europe itself. According to (William of Tyre), Anias was just eight years old when she reached Constantine while Alexios was thirteen years old. Moreover, the wife of Alexios Kamanos I was twelve years old when she married and became an empress before attaining fifteen years. As for the empress of Byzantium “Theodora” the wife of Manwel, she was thirteen years old when she married the Prince of Jerusalem “Baldwin III”; moreover, “Margret Maria Hingaria” married “Izak Anglos II” when she was nine years.
William of Tyre, History of the Deeds Done Beyond the Sea, 13.4; P. Wirth, ‘Wann wurde Kaiser Alexios II. geboren?’ Byzantinische Zeitschrift, 49 (1956), 65-7.
Girls that young are not ready for marriage. Would you allow your daughter to have sex with a grown man at the age of 9?
Of course and obviously I’ll not because am the son of today, but at the same time am not gonna drive myself crazy trying to assess yesterday norms in terms of today taboos. For example, am not gonna think that British people of the 19th century were rapists because during the 19th century the minimum age at which marriage was permitted in UK (with parental consent) was 12 for a girl.
So you will not condemn pedophilia or Mohammad the rapist.
LOGIC WILL NOT CONDEMN IT.
You are a moral coward. Disgusting.
Under Islamic Law it would be allowed today. Do you condemn it?
it will not be allowed because such things are left to the state law.
Not if Sharia takes over, and do not play deflection games with me. You still have not condemned those actions.
I love how the past somehow justifies action in the future with some folks, if it is Wrong, it is ALways WRONG, just because some got away with an act, doesnt mean it’s Ok, like the analogy well Bush spent a lot of money, yes he did, but it wasnt HE who took this Nation the the Edge, it is obama, ….
http://www.examiner.com/tea-party-in-dallas/muslim-woman-tries-to-promote-sex-slavery?fb_comment=34216831
” … in the Koran there is no distinction between women sex slaves, animals or brute beasts as well as any other of a Muslim man’s inanimate possessions. Allah’s word permits not only polygamy but forced concubinage as permitted behavior of Muslim men. These practices do not qualify as being of a sinful nature as sex slave women are barely considered to be human and are actually synonymous with animals. With this type of warped rationale, Muslim men can conscientiously indulge without worrying about committing forbidden acts with Muslim women. How convenient for them. …”
Muslims are only following the teachings and examples of their founder and leader on this one. I’m sure what Muhammad did in regards to the young child that he betrothed at the tender age of six was common in the Arabian culture of his time (and even now). Besides, Muhammad would have held the high station of a Shiekh, and probably would have had the parents disposed of if they refused his offer. The practice is just another example of the degradation of Arabian/Islamic culture and mores!!!