Obviously it is safe to say that most of the readers here know where I stand on the “moderate” Muslims are going to save the day line of thinking. It is NOT happening, and one simple question proves that. In the past I have asked foul-mouth Khalim Massoud of “Muslims Against Sharia, Brooke Goldstein, the “leaders” of Act!, which include Brigitte Gabriel, Guy Rodgers, Chris Slick, and face of the campaign Zuhdi Jasser himself to name just ONE Mosque that is promoting Jasser and a separation of Mosque and state. None of them have directly responded to the simple question which gets to the heart of the matter. But the other day I asked a colleague of Zuhdi’s, a Raquel Evita the same question.
(Please excuse the typo, it should be “list”.)
She kindly gave me the response I was looking for.
Raquel E. Saraswati said: “no, Logan, The lack of the list is why there IS a campaign, I am not doing this with you again.”
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Well, I have to thank her for her honesty, but she is only confirming what I have been saying for years. Not only is the “moderate” Islam campaign misleading Americans into believing that some form of a non-Muslim friendly version of Islam is coming down the pike, it is also on the fast track to nowhere!
My question is how long do the supporters of the campaign believe we should give them to save the day? Daniel Pipes who will not respond to me on Facebook has been pushing this nonsense for almost a dozen years!!
Calling Islamism the Enemy
by Daniel Pipes
December 1, 2001
President Bush and others were properly careful not to foster or be seen as fostering the idea that Islam—a faith observed by more than one billion people across the world—was our enemy.
by Daniel Pipes
New York Sun
November 23, 2004There is good news to report: The idea that “militant Islam is the problem, moderate Islam is the solution” is finding greater acceptance over time.
We also see that Pipes does not care that he is misleading America, as he is carrying the same message today!
APRIL 20, 2012 12:00 A.M.
Middle East scholar Daniel Pipes has said, “The problem is radical Islam. The solution is moderate Islam.”
Besides blatantly misleading America, pushing that message has caused another major problem. All of them have backed them self into a corner, and it leaves them only two choices. Either they continue to spin the fairytale that “moderates” are coming to the rescue, or finally lay the blame where it belongs. On Islam itself. In order to to that, they would need to admit they were wrong. Will their egos allow them to do that though?
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I just sent the following out on Twitter:
Hey Daniel… time’s up. You blew it.
Since Moderate Islam Campaingn has No Mosque Support in the whole beautiful USA, then it should sink in that Islam cannot be reformed since there is no foundation to build on it, only sand and more sand,and a house build on sand cannot stand.So please, Daniel, Zudhi, Raquel, Brigitte, Guy, Chris Slick don’t advise Brooke with your dishonest counsel. She can counsel herself if only she would purchase a koran, hadith and traveller.
Moe wrote extortion letters. One of them has such extreme clarity that it leaves nothing to the imagination; his intentions are perfectly clear. ‘Money in my pocket or blood on my spear’. Muslims are commanded to emulate Moe. [33:21]
http://alquraan.net/letters/letters_3.html#LETTER%20TO%20THE%20CHIEFS%20OF%20AQABA
Allah commands perpetual warfare: 8:39 & 9:29. Allah rewards jihad: 9:111. Allah rewards terrorism: 9:120. Google the numbers, read the ayat.
Moe declared that he was ordered to fight the people until they recite Shehada. Read Reliance of the Traveller, Book O, Chapter 9, sections 8 & 9 to see how that is applied in Shari’ah.
http://www.islamicbulletin.com/free_downloads/resources/reliance2_complete.pdf#page=620
Read Reliance O9.1 carefully to see that the war is offensive, not defensive.
http://www.islamicbulletin.com/free_downloads/resources/reliance2_complete.pdf#page=618
Read Hedaya, Volume II, Book IX, Chapter 1 to confirm it.
http://www.archive.org/stream/hedaysorguide00hamigoog#page/n154/mode/1up
Read 2:85 to learn that the Qur’an is not divisible, it is a package deal; all or nothing. If you do not go for conquest, genocide & terrorism, don’t be a G’d’d Muslim!
There ain’t any moderate or extremist Muslims: there are hypocrites & believers: 47:20, 49: 15, 9:111.
2763. It was narrated from Abu
Hurairah that the Messenger of
Allah said: “Whoever meets
Allah with no mark on him (as a
result of fighting) in His cause, he
will meet Him with a deficiency.”
http://www.archive.org/download/SunanIbnMajah5Vol.Set/Sunan-Ibn-Majah-Volume-4-English.pdf#page=46
Riyad us-Saliheen page 384 pdf
1341. Abu Hurairah (May Allah be pleased with him) reported: The Messenger of Allah (PBUH)
said, “He who dies without having fought in the Cause of Allah or without having thought of doing so,
will die with one characteristic of hypocrisy in him.”
[Muslim].
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Thanks AOW!
Excellent post Christopher,
The stunning silence of the “moderate muslims” or the “good muslims” speaks volumes in both their condemnation and support of the thrust of your argument that they have, not, do not nor will ever exist.
In Canada, the USA and across Europe there has not been one single “good muslim” to rise against islam and counter-protest against any of the “radical” muslim demonstrations.
Even if one allows them the excuse of “fearing” a face to face confrontation with fellow muhammadans they have never put on their own protest marches.
Even at the trials of murders and terrorists who have killed dozens or their own children and family members or plotted to kill thousands in acts of terror….not one lone muslim….not one…..not one single muslim. That in and of itself screams condemnation of those who peddle the farcical notion of: “ISLAM-LITE….LESS FILLING, BETTER TASTING”…it simply doesn’t exist.
The reality is that many muslims are riding the fence on these issues. Some claim they are afraid to confront the radicals, so it becomes fear that allows their silence….how convenient.
In the end they win both ways. If and when islam is eradicated they can claim they were always “one of us”.
But consider the alternative. If islam ever did become the law of the land suddenly all these “good, moderate muslims” have the upper hand. While many would simply want to live their lives without molesting the infidels the fact remains that, in the face of the nature of islam itself, our lives would be much worse than the Coptics of Egypt.
There can be no fence sitting on this one…..as for the muslims…if you value your place here in the West…you had better start doing to your brethren what we did to the British…..the West is a club that hates cowards and there is no Free Lunch.
As for the apologists….keep the heat on….they can’t have it both ways.
Regards, Don Laird
Edson, Alberta, Canada
How many churches did Martin Luther have supporting him when he nailed his demands for reform onto a cathedral door?
That is different from trying to reinvent a so called religion that says it cannot be reinvented. How much more time should they have, another 12 years? How about two dozen?
One answer I got from a supposedly anti jihadist was a couple of generations. Not on my watch.
What’s their back up plan? Oh I forgot, they do not have one. Many of them get angry because we take them out of their false comfort zones, and they cannot deal with it. So they lash out. For the sake of their future generations they had better get used to it.
I’ve written about Islamism for a number of years as a mere citizen who spent years studying it. Political Islam is the problem and I’m a very big critic of it. I’m not a critic of the quiet private practice of Islam which is allowed in the U.S. as part of our country’s religious freedom rights.
Are you proposing Islam should be banned in the US? Or, are you just going to complain all the time?
I can say with certainty I have the greatest admiration of a growing group of Muslims like Dr. Jasser and Rachel who stand up to the Islamist network in the US – at risk to their own lives. I support them 100%.
Your behavior towards them is despicable.
What is despicable is you and them blatantly misleading Americans into beleving that”moderate” Muslims are coming to the rescue. It did not happen in Europe and it will not happen here. What is despicable is Jasser NOT condmening Mohammad for being a rapist. Growing group? Try and pay attention Brandi, they have NO Mosque support. You’re just looking for an easy out. The Koran is the book of Islam, NOT “Islamism”. Try reality. Anytime you want to debate me the Islamic sciptures just me know. You will lose. Jasser helps have Mosques build here, and you support him. That makes you and him part of the problem. Tell your “friend” Jasser, who cannot even explain how he will reform Islam that I will continue to rally non-Muslims against his dangerous and misleading message. He is playing you for a fool.
You are so full of yourself – which is usually a big mistake. I’m suprised you also don’t have a campaign against the Bible. Have you read some of those verses?
I asked you if you want a ban on Islam in the U.S. but you didn’t answer. Do you?
It is called dealing in facts and reality. You are spinning a fairy tale for America. The Bible is made up of stories of those times. While Koran says to follow the actions of Mohammad for all times. Jesus was a man of peace, Mohammad on the other hand was a pedophile, rapist, enslaver, and plunder. It seems in six years, that you only actually studied for six minutes. Produce the book of “Islamism”….I want to become energy indepent and then all Muslim immigration. But if it comes down to saving America, I would not shed a tear if Islam is banned. Geert Wilders called for it to be banned, but maybe you know better. On Twitter Jasser does not even attempt to defend you. That’s very telling. Islam deserves as much respect as Nazism, and that is none. More and more non-Muslims are not buying what you are selling, and the voices against Islam itself will continue to rise. Have a great day!
Sorry for the typos, I was on a cell and the screen kept on jumping around.
I’m not selling anything. Just sharing my experiences about what I’ve learned since 2006.
I don’t know what you are talking re Jasser defnding me. I don’t need defending so I don’t know what you mean.
You should start an effort to get Islam banned if you are so sure you are right. All you seem to do is complain. Do something about it. Otherwise, you are just hateful noise.
Articles on this site show I do more than “complain”. As for your argument, you cannot even defend it using the Islam scriptures. Produce the book of “Islamism”. Explain how infidels promoting Jasser is going to get the Islamic community to play follow the leader with him You are far removed from reality Brandi. If you don’t like what I do or say, just don’t come here. It’s that simple.
Personally I don’t think a ban will work though that would be preferable to merely cutting it’s legs off. Islam needs to be treated with chemo. It needs to be controlled until we can find a cure.
What you don’t get Brandi is “political Islam” is inseparable from from Islam or whatever fantasy version of Islam you’re concocting. The call for a ban on Islam in the US will grow with time. You’re free to gamble your children’s future but you’re not free to gamble mine. Jasser and that idiot Rachel are part of the problem not part of the solution.
“Treat” with “chemo”? What does that mean? What is your proposed treatment? Do you take pleasure in the death threats received by Raquel Saraswati and Zuhdi Jasser? Or do you want them blasted with chemicals?
Them getting death threats does not change the fact that they are misleading America.
Not answering the question! Do you want Zuhdi and Raquel dead?
Relax, Of course I do NOT want them dead.
We all get death threats Mr No Name.
And that’s unfortunate! But answer the question: do you take pleasure in the ones they receive?
Islam’s purpose is to destroy freedom. I want Islam blasted off free soil. It has no business in our free societies other than to destroy them.
For a “non-Muslim” it is funny how angry he is over the “moderate” campaign being exposed for the fact it is on the fast track to nowhere.
Infidel promoting Jasser? What does that even mean?
What these illiterate bigots don’t realize is that they can neither construct a sentence nor spell. They mean “infidels” who “promote” Jasser.
Show your faces. You won’t, though. You just serve people like Zuhdi, Raquel and Brooke up for bullying – all three of them courageous, smart, articulate and attractive principled people – while you type like a maniac from under your slimy rock. You’re a wimp, Logan. Pathetic.
The meaning of that sentence is pretty clear. All that tough talk from a guy using a fake name….
You cannot even begin to explain how Jasser will reform Islam, that is why you come with your constant insults. Pathetic.
Explain how not wanting to be dominated by Islam makes one a bigot.
I don’t want it either. I just think your approach sucks.
Islam will only respond to an iron fist in it’s ugly face.
Show your face, what is your name? Actually I really do not care about either. Zuhdi and Raquel are misleading America on the true nature of Islam, and more non-Muslims are calling him on it. Recently Dr. Andrew Bostom, and Creeping Sharia have challenged him. As for Brooke, she knows little to nothing about the Islamic scriptures.
It’s not too hard to understand. It means that you, non-Muslim (infidel) is promoting the notion that he is going to reform the Koran. The Koran clearly states that Muslims are above non-Muslims.
http://www.cmje.org/religious-texts/quran/verses/003-qmt.php
From the Ahadith:
They are even told not to befriend non-believers.
https://loganswarning.com/2010/12/08/islam-101-islam-respects-other-religions/
The Muslim community is not going to follow a so called Muslim like Jasser who is so close to non-Muslims. I bet there are more non-Muslims in this “reform” campaign than Muslims. The whole thing is ridiculous. Ask yourself why these so called reforms constantly seek out non-Muslim audiences.
My bad – Tommy shows his face (with hat, sunglasses and puffer jacket like most people do when they pose for a headshot). It shows up next to a blog in support of the remarkable Youcef Nadarkhani. How does Tommy support Youcef? A blog of burning pages of the Koran. Yeah, that’s TOTALLY going to free Youcef. Make his supporters look like a bunch of nitwits, enraging those who torture him. Way to go, big guy!
Alright, Logan. Show us you’ve got a set. Post your picture.
Who is “us”? You speak for no one but yourself, and If I were such a coward I would not be so outspoken on Islam. So do not even begin to think you dictate what I do. Your childish comments say it all.
I am not claiming to speak for masses of people. I am not running around bullying people and effectively accusing them of treason. I am not the one whose credibility matters here. Yours does. You have an agenda and you claim knowledge, recommend policy and demonize people.
Admin edit:
THE ISSUE IS “MODERATE” ISLAM, not what you think of me.
My credibility on the “moderate” nonsense stands. None of them could answer the simple questions. What question have I not answered?
I will continue to do what I think is best, I am the one speaking the truth here. Not the “leaders” of ACT!, Jasser, or Brooke. If you do not like what I do, do not come here, and I really do not care what you think of me. Either address the issue of the “moderate” campaign or we are done.
That is why more and more non-Muslims are agreeing with me. You obviously have some personal issue with me, and came here in an attempt to discredit me. I’m the one who proved that the “moderate” campaign is going nowhere. We are done.
You edited my comment – truncated it – because you can’t answer! Calling others frauds. Hilarious!
Clown, the answer to your question is posted. No I do not want them dead, and the issue is not what you think of me. You obviously cannot debate the issue, so you try and turn the focus on me. Lose the obsession.
Thanks for clarifying that. Apparently you do take issue with what people think of you: you erased a major part of my comments. Very telling and only leaves me further intrigued about who you might be….this should be fun. Good luck in your work!
I do not care what YOU think of me. Did I make that clear enough? I erased them because the issue is Islam, not your obsession with me. Obviously you cannot debate the issue. Sounds all so familiar from the other night with a guy named Ali…Have a nice dream about me.
BRANDI, I have righteous indignation,like the Master said, be angry and sin not. He was angry and made a whip to drive out the Undesirables.Where was Yasser and his cohorts when muslim hordes stoned American Christians in Drearborn Michigan for holding up signs that depicts their faith in a free society. Where are his public apologies soon to follow?, against such atrocities perpetrated against innocent people in the Land of the Free, who kindly allowed Muslim to immigrate to enjoy the freedom America gives. This is despicable SIR Brandi. Stop Muslim Immigration ASAP, and drive out Undesirables. I may want to add, awake from your moderate reform dream.
There is nothing true about your counter jihadi, except you counter yourself. The patience of LW is truly amazing to deal with an unaccounted accounterer. Since there is not one mosque in the USA that addresses a “Moderate Reform”, that alone indicates that the Iman’s speeches do not include any reforms, moderate or otherwise .
While a form of Islma that rewards men for being abusive dominates, abusive men will climb to the top of its tree. Moderate Muslims cannot bring about a moderation of Islam in the west until and unless we develop a muscular multiculturalism wherein the country one lives in and its traditional values come first.
Gerry
“While a form of Islma that rewards men for being abusive dominates, abusive men will climb to the top of its tree.”
I would make these corrections. Islam that does not reward abusive men is not islam. All of islam is a heaven, or should I say a Mecca, for abusive people of all kinds. Muscular multiculturalism is a fantasy for the simple minded. Recognize that islam has no concern for you accept you convert. After that you are just a source of money or you die. You decide just what kind of “peace” and freedom this is to you. Remember that the “traditional values” you might live in is otherwise called Shariah. You will have no choice in determining values; that will be done for you by islam, Hammadmo’s qura’n, and the fatwas of an imam.
Good Luck; you will need all the luck in the eternal cosmos, and none of it will do you any good.
Convert of die. That is your moderate muslim option in the end.
Don’t wait for Islam to reform. It must be fought now. Within the law, of course.
Raquel Saraswati, a very interesting name. Raquel is a Christian name and Saraswati is a Hindu name. What religion does she follow now?
She claims to be a “moderate” Muslim.