Back in early April I post an article entitled “Brooklyn NY: Masjid Nur Al-Islam~ How They Lure Them in…”. Today a man named Syed Wahab who is posting from a Brooklyn IP address dropped by to clear up my “misconceptions”. He also stated he attends Masjid Nur Al-Islam on a daily basis. As you will see Syed tries to justify Muslims taking the land of non-Muslims, rape, slavery, and the killing of Jews.
Syed Wahab said:
I found so many misunderstandings with this article. I go to this Mosque daily and I will state out all the misconceptions.
First of all Islam comes from the word Salam which means peace. I quote you “They have purposely left out the fact that Muslims are to fight and force this “peace” on non-Muslims, if they do not accept Islamic rule. Which will leave them as a subordinate to Islam. ”
Islam doesn’t force anyone to accept the religion. The time Islam was established was the same time that the Eastern Roman Empire was rising. Countries and Empires were constantly at war with each other for land and power. The first Quran verse that you pointed out is referring to those who are already at war whether it is for land or defending themselves from an invasion. Allah commanded Muslim to defend themselves against the non Muslim attackers. It’s the same concept when someone tells a child don’t let people push you around. That doesn’t mean the child becomes the bully, it means when a bully comes around, you stand up for yourself but some children misunderstand it and become the bullies themselves. When Muslims take over a land the prisoners of war are given either two options. The first is accepting Islam and live amongst us or they may keep their current faith and live amongst us but they must pay seasonal taxes. It doesn’t say anywhere to kill someone if they don’t accept the religion.
Going to your second point. The Jesus of Christianity is the same Jesus of Islam. Muslim believe that Jesus came down from Allah with a message which is to believe in One God alone. He came down with the Bible from God. 300 years after Jesus came groups of people who changed the Bible around for their own desire. The religion became corrupt. Jesus came down as a messenger of God and the people made him into God himself. They said He is God’s son as well as God himself and the Holy Spirit. The Trinity makes no logical sense what so ever. Let’s say this. God created everything from the Heavens to the Earth. So if Jesus was God, do you think that someone that created everything from nothing be manhandled and thrown onto a cross? It’s doesn’t make sense. The Christians of today are not the same Christians that Jesus taught. Jesus’ teachings were to believe and worship only one God and today the Christians believe in 3.
You said, “If “Allah” is so perfect, why were their Churches in the first place? Why not just have Mosques only from day one?! The reason is that Allah is not the God of Christianity.”
Allah sent down many revelations from the beginning of time. Allah says in the Quran Chapter 14: Verse 19 “Have you not seen that Allah created the heavens and the earth in truth? If He wills, He can do away with you and produce a new creation.” This deep translation of this verse is that Allah will replace a Nation with someone better. If a Nation is falling, then Allah will replace them. First came the Jews and they were replaced by the Christian and then the Christians were replaced by the Muslims. That is why there wasn’t a Mosque from the beginning.
You said in Islam it’s “O.K to lie.” This is false. Lying is one of the major sins. Allah says in Chapter 16: Verse 105 “It is only those who do not believe in the verses of Allah, who fabricate falsehood, and it is they who are liars.”
This verse is clearly saying that one is not a Believer if one is a liar. The hadith you brought gave only 3 exceptions where it is permissible to lie because lying in those scenario will only bring a greater good. It doesn’t say become a liar and constantly lie. That is what you are implying. Everything in life no matter what it may be has a few exceptions.
You said, “So if you lust for your neighbor’s wife, just take her as a captive of jihad. As I said the God of Christianity, is NOT the God of Islam. Keep trying…”
The women and children after Jihad are war booty. You can’t just take your neighbor’s wife and keep her a jihad captive because YOU ARE NOT IN JIHAD so i guess you keep trying…
You said, “Once again, if the God of Islam is so great, why didn’t he or she just have the Koran written from day one? If all the prophets were Muslims, how come no one bothered to tell them? Scratch your head on that one my Muslim readers….”
I already answered this point. It’s the same concept as why wasn’t Mosques built from the beginning.
You said, “Of course they leave out the fact that being “righteous” means to kill Jews to reach judgment day.”
This is another topic on its own. It doesn’t mean to kill Jews for no reason. This talks about when the Anti-Christ arrives and it is said that the Jews will be on the side of the Anti-Christ and will be at war against the Muslims.
You said, “I guess you have never heard of the Muslim invasions of Egypt and Persia. As far as your “no compulsion” bit, please refer to my response to #1.”
Again this goes back to colonization. Islam wasn’t spread by the sword. The Muslims would take over a land and then give the people a chance to turn Muslim or pay taxes.
As for the terrorist remark, The prophet says “I’ve been helped by terror (In the hearts of enemies).
This again goes back to Jihad and war for land. It doesn’t say I’ve been helped by terror (in the hearts of innocent people.) If you want to use that logic then anyone in history who tried to fright the enemy during a war would be considered a terrorist.
In regards to slavery. At that time slavery was a common practice. Even way after that era of history. If you forgot, America at one point had slaves. Here is the difference. Slaves belonging to Muslim had rights. The Muslims would treat them with the upmost respect. In the book of Bukhari 1:2:29, “Narrated Al-Ma’rur: At Ar-Rabadha I met Abu Dhar who was wearing a cloak, and his slave, too, was wearing a similar one. I asked about the reason for it. He replied, “I abused a person by calling his mother with bad names.” The Prophet said to me, ‘O Abu Dhar! Did you abuse him by calling his mother with bad names You still have some characteristics of ignorance. Your slaves are your brothers and Allah has put them under your command. So whoever has a brother under his command should feed him of what he eats and dress him of what he wears. Do not ask them (slaves) to do things beyond their capacity (power) and if you do so, then help them.”
You said, “Actually they only tell their targets half the story here. Jihad has two meanings, the greater jihad is the inner struggle, but thee lesser jihad means to wage war against non-Muslims, signifying warfare to establish the religion”
This again goes back to the days of colonization. Waging war against non Muslims to take control of land. Not for no reason.
Regarding the hadith, “A woman, an ass and a dog disrupt the prayer.”
This doesn’t oppress women. This talks about a man during his prayer. How many men do you know can walk by a woman without them trying to get a little glimpse of her to see how she looks like. If a man is in prayer and a woman passes by, he might not be able to help himself and he might loose concentration and look at the woman thus breaking is prayer.
As for the last point, I have no knowledge of the Bible so I cannot speak of it. I hope this cleared some of the misconceptions people had. Just ask any questions you might have and I will try to my best abilities to answer them.
As you read, Syed only proved my point about Islam being a threat to America. I thank him! Here is my response to him.
1. Don’t play word games with me. I said “Islamic rule”. Non-Muslims can be killed if they do not convert or pay jizya.
2. The Jesus of Islam is NOT the same as in Christianity. Under Islam he was not crucified.
3. Christians and Jews were not replaced, they still exist. But you did prove my point. Your so called Allah is not perfect.
4. Islam does allow lying. As proven here, and thanks for proving my point by agreeing with it. http://loganswarning.com/2009/12/15/islam-101-lying-is-permissible/
5. In regards to captives of war. OBVIOUSLY I meant during war. Thanks for trying to justify it though. You are only helping me turn more people against Islam.
6. Thanks for justifying the killing of Jews.
7. Islam has been spread by the sword, you even admitted Muslims took over land. Why don’t you try and force jizya on America…
8. Mohammad admitted he was a terrorist, and you try and justify it by saying they were not innocent.
9. Slavery is STILL allowed under Islamic Law.
10. “This doesn’t oppress women. This talks about a man during his prayer. How many men do you know can walk by a woman without them trying to get a little glimpse of her to see how she looks like. If a man is in prayer and a woman passes by, he might not be able to help himself and he might loose concentration and look at the woman thus breaking is prayer.” Grow up.
11. You did not “clear up” anything. You only proved my point. Thank you!