Coming Soon?: First Mosque in Clarington, Ontario

Most of us have seen the on going battles across America, in regards to the endless Mosque construction movement that Muslims are on. The same problem is happening across Europe, and our friends in Canada are under Islamic assault as well. I say “coming soon?”, because the closing date for this proposed Mosque is in two days. Hopefully they will not be able to come up with all of the money, needed to make the deal.

Here is the latest from Ontario.

Bismillah ir-Rahman ir-Rahim. In The Name of Allah, The Beneficent, The Merciful.

Dear Brothers and Sisters,

Assalam Alaykoum wa Rahmat Allah wa Barakatooh,

Insha’Allah this Islamic Centre will:
•be the First Masjid in Clarington, Ontario
•have 2 Acres Land
•have a 3500 square feet building
•be a means of Sadaqa Jarriyah for YOU!

The Mosque has vowed to…

We, the members of the Islamic Centre of Clarington, do hereby resolve to proclaim that InshAllah, we will forever follow the Islamic principles based on the Qur’aan and the Traditions of the Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him.

So lets take a look at the traditions of Mohammad, the pedophile terrorist.

Volume 7, Book 62, Number 65:
Narrated ‘Aisha:

that the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old. Hisham said: I have been informed that ‘Aisha remained with the Prophet for nine years (i.e. till his death).” what you know of the Quran (by heart)’

That behavior is not needed in the West, or anywhere else for that matter.

Mohammad’s view on apostates.

Volume 9, Book 84, Number 57:
Narrated ‘Ikrima:

Some Zanadiqa (atheists) were brought to ‘Ali and he burnt them. The news of this event, reached Ibn ‘Abbas who said, “If I had been in his place, I would not have burnt them, as Allah’s Apostle forbade it, saying, ‘Do not punish anybody with Allah’s punishment (fire).’ I would have killed them according to the statement of Allah’s Apostle, ‘Whoever changed his Islamic religion, then kill him.'”

Here is a beauty about the Jews.

Book 041, Number 6985:

Abu Huraira reported Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: The last hour would not come unless the Muslims will fight against the Jews and the Muslims would kill them until the Jews would hide themselves behind a stone or a tree and a stone or a tree would say: Muslim, or the servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me; come and kill him; but the tree Gharqad would not say, for it is the tree of the Jews.

Then finally we have what is the offensive jihad.

Volume 1, Book 8, Number 387:
Narrated Anas bin Malik:

This one is a warning for all of us non-Muslims.

Allah’s Apostle said, “I have been ordered to fight the people till they say: ‘None has the right to be worshipped but Allah.’ And if they say so, pray like our prayers, face our Qibla and slaughter as we slaughter, then their blood and property will be sacred to us and we will not interfere with them except legally and their reckoning will be with Allah.” Narrated Maimun ibn Siyah that he asked Anas bin Malik, “O Abu Hamza! What makes the life and property of a person sacred?” He replied, “Whoever says, ‘None has the right to be worshipped but Allah’, faces our Qibla during the prayers, prays like us and eats our slaughtered animal, then he is a Muslim, and has got the same rights and obligations as other Muslims have.”

As you can see Islam should of never been allowed to be practiced, in non-Islamic countries in the first place.

The Mosque is not even open yet, and they are admitting that they want the call to prayer broadcast over loudspeakers. Once again we see how selfish the Muslim community is.

Fulfillment of Faith Based Needs – It is paramount that we as Muslims have a place where we can worship; where we can here the call to prayer; where we can break fast together and offer Tarawih. We also need a Centre where our children can learn and play and get to know one another in a safe a friendly atmosphere. InshaAllah this Centre will provide this.

The Mosque members have also vowed to do community outreach.

Platform for Community Outreach – As just mentioned, an Islamic Community Centre is one of the best platforms that our community can have for the purpose of reaching out to the community in which we live. We must as Muslims living in Canada, make an effort to instill a sense of belonging in ourselves as well as our children. It also goes without mention that we must also make an effort to be understood and excepted by our fellow Canadian counterparts. InshaAllah this Centre will proved such a vehicle for us to achieve this.

Which will be nothing more than con, to try and get non-Muslims to support them. Islam encourages Muslims to lie, so please do not fall for this. The West has more than enough of its own problems, we do not need Muslims coming here and adding more. Say no to Mosque construction, and Muslim immigration. Your family’s future generations are counting on you.

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51 comments for “Coming Soon?: First Mosque in Clarington, Ontario

  1. July 27, 2010 at 6:14 pm

    Well and truly stated, but leaving out the prime objection: Mosques are bomb factories. Remember the fifteen who recently entered the Hellfire through a Mosque when the bomb they were constructing detonated prematurely? That happened in Afghanistan. It will eventually happen here.

  2. July 27, 2010 at 9:58 pm

    I’ll hope they manage to close down this mosque. Not that the arselifters won’t try to open another one anyplace else. It is a constant battle. They are very patient and just tries to push again and again.

  3. July 27, 2010 at 10:32 pm

    Again with the loudspeakers? And if there’s a church nearby ringing its bells, you can be sure it will be silenced.

  4. Fergie
    July 28, 2010 at 4:41 am

    John, do not advocate violence! Leave that to the muslims! That way we can do so legally what ever it takes defend ourselves and our way of life!
    But calling for violence will only bring disrespect and not further our collective cause to stop them from come here into Canada nor the US!

  5. Aerialcat
    July 28, 2010 at 8:04 am

    The French keep bringing him down?

    My goodwill towards the French just went way up.

  6. AmericanMe
    July 28, 2010 at 2:55 pm

    They are in a mosque building frenzy preparing for the inauguration of the North American caliphate on 9-11-2011.

  7. When*Pigs*Fly
    July 28, 2010 at 5:43 pm

    “It is paramount that we as Muslims have a place where we can worship; where we can here the call to prayer; where we can break fast together and offer Tarawih.”

    Fine, I completely agree with you, so go back to the middle east instead of trying to force your culture on us..

    I’m guessing Clarington, Ontario is a hotbed of Christians because muslims love to build their mosques in little Christian towns to attract more muslims & in essence defeat or at least dilute the Christians.

    • al Kidya
      July 29, 2010 at 10:01 pm

      Clarington is like a small suburb of Oshawa, on the N. Shore of Lake Ontario.
      It is a quiet community and you can miss the turn-off if you blink travelling down the 401 west towards Toronto.
      There are, I am sure Christians in this rural area of Ontario. It is filled with beautiful scenery, especially in autumn when the leaves turn. It reminds you of pioneer days.
      Just down the highway from Clarington is Canada’s only nuclear engineering program at the University of Ontario, in N. Oshawa. The Pickering and Darlinton nuclear plants are nearby.
      Perhaps that’s a clue?

      • July 30, 2010 at 1:43 am

        Good eye!

      • admin
        July 30, 2010 at 9:21 am

        Welcome to the site al Kidya!

  8. Rose
    July 29, 2010 at 2:01 pm

    Funny too that they refer to themselves as “Moslums” but to their hosts as “Canadians.” They do not recognize that Canada is, figuratively and perhaps literally, though everyone there is free to worship or not worship as they please as is the beauty of Western Civilization: no forced or compulsory thought, especially in regard to religion, … part of the Christian world. At the very least, as a matter of heritage. But there is no recognition there and acknowledgement whatsoever.

    Their religious identity is always supreme and paramount and therefore presumes expected special treatment.

    On another note, it is so very interesting that there is never any protest from Christians and secular Westerners on the building of Buddhist temples. Of course, they are not trying to dominate the world, only free thought processes.

    Our suspect of religion, particularly a religion that espouses and uses violence in the pursuit of conversion and submission, is a saving grace. Complacency and passivity in the face of Islamic colonization is civic treason. They must constantly be reminded and shown that our respective “national” laws will always supercede any god and that if they want to live in Canada, then they must first be Canadians.

    I don’t read all the sites, but it seems Chris excells at watching the respective mushrooming of places of Islamic warship. Early and loud alarms help us in defense plans and in arousing the local communties to the terror and cult implications. No one wants a cult in their neighborhood, especially a violent one.

    • admin
      July 29, 2010 at 2:16 pm

      Thanks Rose, I just found another one in the US preaching Sharia. I will post it within the next 24 hours.

  9. Mohamed
    August 23, 2010 at 3:02 pm

    allah alkbar we are building more mosque anwar al aliki sayes it best islamic law is coming to north america repent and come to allah are face the future

    nuke plant close by niiiice good for jihad dawah comming soon

    • dsertscout
      June 15, 2011 at 10:00 am

      Your coming has been predicted as well as your fall. Your deity is pagan, and the US allows pagan religions to flourish. Your deity is a fallen principality and we have been told not to fear that which can only harm the body, but to fear Adonai, who has authority over both body and spirit. Islam and its imp demon deity, allah, have been raised for this very time and season. The empire is gone, the ummah is languishing despite the vast oil riches of Islamic lands, and Islam offers no hope, no salvation, no clarity, and no true deity.

      Many here recognize your Arabian religion for what it really is; a pagan, demon inspired rehash of one (or multiple) pre-Islamic pagan deities. Surah 52 shows the world (and it is confirmed in the hadith) that Muhammad was indeed inspired by satan himself!!! Again, have fun with your idle threats. Your pagan religion, and your imp demon deity have no power over our final destiny; only Adonai is to be feared!!!

    • eib
      June 15, 2011 at 10:40 am

      Your religion is profane.
      Your culture is corrupt.
      Your prophet is false.
      Allah is an elemental spirit of the world.

      You have no philosophy.
      Your history is conquest, bloodshed, rape, destruction and mass murder.
      Your legacy is death.

  10. An Dean
    August 23, 2010 at 5:43 pm

    @Mohamed, YOU ARE AN IDIOT!! See this, we are not worried about you, because we are always smarter and more intelligent then your lot ever will be!!!!!!!!!!!! And remember, what goes up, can also come down!!

  11. fatima
    June 15, 2011 at 7:38 am

    what the hell is wrong with you people.

    • eib
      June 15, 2011 at 7:46 am

      There is no God but God, and Jesus Christ is HIS SON!

    • admin
      June 15, 2011 at 8:35 am

      How do you justify supporting a rapist like Mohammad?

  12. Ashley
    January 1, 2012 at 11:47 pm

    It seems as though most have you have turned and blind eye and followed the path of ignorance for you do not know what the truth is and constantly follow lies you are mere puppets and pawns and are just following what has been brought to your attention rather than what it really is. So much for being smart it seems at though the world becomes less educated as the media keeps brainwashing your intellect and just feeding you information that has no grounds but whatever one day you will understand that Islam is not as violent as you think and maybe you should actually come and visit and see that it isn’t a bomb factory or whatever else but rather a place where we gather together and learn just like what you do at a church do you sit there listening about how much Islam is violent no you sit there to learn your religion. And guess what the mosque has opened by the grace of god.

    • admin
      January 2, 2012 at 8:57 am

      Listen, do not come here and make accusations without proving them. Prove my “ignorance”. The media does not go into the Islamic scriptures, so you might want to get a new talking point. Are you actually implying the cutting off of limbs, rape, the call to force Islamic Law on non-Muslims who refuse to pay jizya is not violent? Do you care if the non-Muslims in your family are dominated under Islamic Law?

  13. Michael C
    January 2, 2012 at 4:27 am


    “The masjids are our barracks …
    The faithful our soldiers”
    Recep Tayyip Erdogan, Prime Minister of Turkey

    The residents of Tower Hamlets in
    “Londonistan” in UK know about “outreach”:

    attacking (with a brick) a smoker in Ramadan
    attacking a teacher for explaining religions (his job)
    “Headscarf or be killed” threat to non-muslim woman
    Threats posted against same-sex couples
    “SHARIA RULES ENFORCED” notices posted
    no help from police (fearing “racism” accusations)

    Open Your Eyes O Residents of Ontario

  14. Michael C
    January 2, 2012 at 4:29 am


    The Masjid (Community Control Centre) has pledged
    “we will forever follow the Islamic
    principles based on the Qur’aan and the
    Traditions of the Prophet Muhammad”.

    This is an open announcement of criminal intent.

    The “Traditions of the Prophet” include:

    Killing those who change religion
    Killing same-sex partners
    Killing other faiths` missionaries
    No freedom of speech
    No freedom of conscience
    No equality for women.
    No equality for non-muslims
    Schoolgirl genital mutilation.
    Slave-killing free of penalty.
    Forced marriage
    Marriage under 16
    Sex with infants
    Sex with boys
    Sex with animals
    “Protection” tax on non-muslims only
    Deception of non-muslims
    Charity money going to terrorism

    All of these are crimes under Canadian law.

    The Slaves of Allah, coerced into Submission,
    are told that to obey man-made law
    is haram (forbidden), punishable by death.
    They have “no choice” (Koran 33:36).

    Open Your Eyes O Canada

  15. Ryder Dixon
    January 28, 2012 at 5:04 pm

    This article and the majority of those who commented are atrocious. The blatant racism and intolerance evident in the texts are dispicable. The fact that people like this live in Canada, supposedly a bastion of tolerance and religious, and my home, which is Bowmanville, Clarington, makes me sick. You are bigots and cannot halt the spread of the peaceful movement of Islam with your hatred, I pray to Allah Al-Ghaffar (The Repeatedly Forgiving)that you will see the error of your ways and repent and accept Allah into your souls, in the way most compatible to you. Peace be upon you and may Allah extend His blessings on you, Inshallah.

    • January 28, 2012 at 5:32 pm

      What race is the EVIL CULT of islam? We don’t have to stop the spread of the EVIL CULT of islam, Jesus Christ will stop it in the end. All I have to do is warn people of the danger of following mohammed the false prophet and Pray for the brainwashed followers of the antichrist and of the EVIL beast that IS islam.

      • Ryder Dixon
        January 28, 2012 at 6:38 pm

        HAHAHAHA, I’m a Caucasian Anglo-Franco Canadian, there is no “race” of Islam. You’re a reverand? Then why are you so intolerant? Islam is not a cult, it is a restructuring of Judaism, if any religion is a cult it would be Christianity because it claims to be monotheistic while worshipping more than one god, i.e. Jesus, “Holy Spirit” as well as saints. I would love to know where you preach so I can come observe one of your sermons, if that would be possible, though you’d probably assume I’m coming to “blow you up”. Please research Islam and its followers from a credible source and stop listening to mistranslations/interpretations by those who do not speak Arabic. Do not forget the Quran has never been translated since its revelation to Mohammed(praise be to him) while the bible has been translated and rewritten countless times in countless different tongues. May Allah forgive you your transgressions.

        • admin
          January 28, 2012 at 7:12 pm

          Islam is a religion/ideology. It is not a race. No non-Muslims should tolerate Islam. It is the equivalent to Jews tolerating Nazism.

          I have researched Islam from the Koran, Sahih Ahadith, works of Al Azhar, and Dr. Naik etc. Translated by experts. So get a new playbook, and try and prove me wrong about Islam.

        • January 28, 2012 at 7:57 pm

          I’m not the one who said islam was a race you accussed the people on this site of being racist thats why I asked you what race is islam.

          Do you lie or do you just not know the history of the unholy qur’an? What of the translations that were destroyed because they each were different and it was arbitraily decided the one in use now would be the correct one? There are over 22,000 ancient New Testaments that predate mohammed dreaming up the unholy qur’an by up to 525 years. They are all vitually the same. So your typical islamic lies don’t work here.

          My Brother in Christ Dr Mark Gabriel speaks Arabic, he also taught islamic studies at alAzar. My well worn copy of Yousef Ali’s translation of the unholy qur’an, my well worn copy of the hadith of bukhari, and my well worn copy of the reliance of the traveler, Dr Mark, and especially my Holy Bible tell me all I need to know of the EVIL CULT of islam.

          As far as fear goes I don’t fear you, I pity you.

          I Preach at numerous Churches. 2 1/2 years ago I gave up the Church I was the Pastor of just to travel to Churches and educate Christians about the EVIL CULT of islam and the need to spread the Gospel of Jesus Christ to Muslims.

          If I ever speak near you in Canada I will gladly notify you thru Logan’s Warning so you can attend.

          • eib
            January 28, 2012 at 8:14 pm

            I’m not the one who said islam was a race you accussed the people on this site of being racist thats why I asked you what race is islam.

            He read your post and then decided what you had said instead of interpreting what you had said.
            His view is a typical view of most Muslims, that Christians are polytheists.
            Classic Muslim misdirection.

            Redemption is better than righteousness.

        • eib
          January 28, 2012 at 8:12 pm

          May Allah forgive you your transgressions.

          We sure as hell know the Ummah won’t!
          Muslims never forgive.
          All they do is get offended.
          Like you.
          All you can do is be offended. And then you get all hot and bothered either on lust or righteous anger.
          I don’t need righteous anger to feel good.
          I have a savior.

        • eib
          January 28, 2012 at 8:16 pm

          Even if every practicing Muslim was white, Islam would remain a threat to the West.
          There are issues here that are far greater than race.

    • admin
      January 28, 2012 at 7:14 pm

      What race is Islam? What should a non-Muslim like about being dominated by Islam? How does not wanting to be dominated by Islamic Law make one a bigot? Would you care to talk about the bigotry that stems from Islam? What you see here is just the tip of the iceberg. Get ready for a major backlash against Islam! All within the law, of course.

  16. Angie
    April 17, 2012 at 7:02 am

    Are you people serious!!! You are threatened by a 4th mosque in a region of over 300 churchs. I’m more freaked out because you are generating enough hate that some of your readers advocate a Norway style bombing and I live close to that Mosque. I know people who attend the mosque and if they were such a huge threat why are they working at our nuclear plan and in our hospitals? Their outreach included taking food to my parents (who are both elderly ordained ministers that the churchs have forgotten now their old) when they fell ill and one of their neighbours (who is muslim) noticed an ambulance and checked up on them while I was away. Those Muslims behave in a more Christian manner than most Christians I grew up with. For gods sake quit slandering people you haven’t had the guts to even go meet. Is this really how Jesus would have treated them ?? This site seriously makes me sick!!

    • admin
      April 17, 2012 at 7:11 am

      Four will lead to more, and Islam is clearly spreading across the West. They are working in sensitive areas, because our governments are lead by fools. Muslim outreach is detrimental to non-Islamic countries, as it sugarcoats the harsh reality of Islam. So all a Muslim has to do is act friendly and you will automatically trust them. Ask them how them if they condemn Sharia Law and get back to me. Islam calls for Muslims to dominate Christians. It also calls for the ultimate destruction of Christianity. Are you actually stating Jesus would have approved of that? I’m leaning towards him believing Mohammad is the false prophet.

      Islam allows child marriages, and the rape of non-Muslim women. Yet here you are protecting it, and you call my site sick.

      BTW, I do my own reporting on this issue and have have received plenty of threats. So do not even begin to imply I am a coward. I also spoke out against that nut in Norway.

      Have you even read a Koran?

    • admin
      April 17, 2012 at 7:16 am

      What should non-Muslims like about Muslims trying to take over?

    • admin
      April 17, 2012 at 8:18 am

      Their true colors will come out as they grow in numbers and power.

    • April 17, 2012 at 10:32 am

      Angie- you are so mis-guided. For someone who is the child of two ordained Ministers it is very sad to read your words. For your information I am an ordained Minister and have spent several years sharing the Gospel of Jesus Christ with Muslims. So i have met many Mulims, many of which are “good” people, as with any Religion many who aren’t. The facts however are the facts. Islam worships a false God and a false prophet.

      The qur’an calls for dominance of or destruction of Christians and Jews. Do you truly in your heart believe Jesus Christ would want a Mosque built to spread a False Religion? A Religion that denies that He died on the Cross for you and I?

      Have you bothered to read the unholy qur’an before jumping in to this argument and defending the construction of the mosque? You need to read your Bible again, read the unholy qur’an, then and only then ask yourself What would Jesus do

      • Angie
        April 20, 2012 at 10:46 am

        Have I read the Quran you ask, I’m glad you ask, I have read it several times along with historical context and having learned enough arabic to read in the original not as a translation. I have also read the Bible, the Vedas , along with the pertinent scripture of several other major and minor world faiths along with their historical context and in most cases with an aide who could help with translations where I didn’t learn the language myself. Not to mention that I have spent most of my life traveling working and staying in different countries in order to experience faith in practice. All three of my children were born in completely different countries. I find good things and bad things in every single one of them. I gave up on all faiths long ago simply because I have yet to find people who are capable of living up to the standards of behavior required. Every faith I have ever studied in the past 30 years of post-secondary school and personal study basically shows that god has been telling us for centuries to BE NICE TO EACH OTHER!!! Obviously people on this forum never got that message… Anyone with half a brain who comes to this site is not going to think badly of Muslim’s but think very badly of the people who are ignorant enough to write this crap.
        As for the mosque in town…. If you are so damned scared that the Muslims among you are terrorist then I would assume that you would be overjoyed at the fact that you know where the hell they all are on Friday afternoons!! I haven’t really been overly interested in going to that mosque in the year since it was bought, I’ve been too busy the past 3 years looking after my parents instead of globe trotting. If this site is any indication of how they are being treated then I will be going very soon to introduce myself to the ones I haven’t already met. And I think that’s exactly what Jesus would have done!!

        • admin
          April 20, 2012 at 11:07 am

          Christians and Jews are not on worldwide campaigns threatening to impose a barbaric set of religious laws on all. Muslims are. So you might want to stick to Islam here.

          The God of Islam calls for Muslims to dominate non-Muslims. Koran 9:29, 9:33. The God of Islam makes it legal for Muslim men to rape non-Muslim women. Koran 4:24, 4:25, and 33:50.

          The God of Islam states Muslims should not befriend non-Muslims. 3:28, 5:51.

          That is NOT saying be nice to each other. Your words are easily outweighed by facts. So save the “ignorant” accusation for someone else. Muslims do not have to get violent to slowly takeover. You focusing on the terrorism factor, shows your ignorance on the issue.

          People reading this will see you are OK with rape, child marriages, and have already surrendered. If Muslims win this war, your future generations will have you to thank. Another weak non-Muslim.

          • Angie
            April 20, 2012 at 11:51 am

            Oh you are amusing.. Just because I don’t believe you should hold a persons a faith against them you think I condone any deviant behavior… I don’t hold the fact you seem to be held in thrall by an offshoot of Judaism slowly morphed into 100’s maybe even 1000’s of denominations that barely agree with each other but if I read somewhere that people were persecuting a church fellowship I would be just as disgusted with them and speak up there too.. I will give credit where credit is due in the fact that you removed the comment advocating blowing up the mosque even if you allowed it to remain for a full year. As for your quote.. I have studied that verse in the past and it’s quite clear from the original that it means “Take not unbelievers as your “close” friends and confidants (or helpers).. There is a similar verse in the bible that warns believers to not become unequally yoked with non-believers, in both cases it isn’t asking the faithful to shun the unbelievers but not to have them in a position in their life that would compromise their faith or lead them to sin, back slide or whatever you like to call it. I am not going to argue semantics with you over who’s book is better since both books have serious issues of their own and are equally flawed, the only difference between scholars of either faith is that Islamic scholars don’t admit the flaws and Christian scholars try to explain them away. I could put you right on various Fikh issues you brought up but I just don’t care enough to argue with you over either faith. Its pointless to argue with people of any blind faith who have a bee in their bonnet so to speak. I will say again though, if you are so afraid of Muslims then you should be absolutely thrilled that you know where they will be a few times a week. Much better than sitting at home wondering if your neighbor is a closet Muslim lol.

          • admin
            April 21, 2012 at 4:49 am

            I do not find those actions amusing, and I did not see the comment in the past. The Bible is made up of stories of those times, while the Koran states to follow the actions of Mohammad for all times. Christians and Jew are not on worldwide campaigns threatening to impose barbaric religious laws on all. Muslims are. Stick to what is happening. Islam is not reforming, and there is not a non-friendly version coming down the pike.

            All your comment proves is that you cannot prove me wrong, and you do support those vile actions in Islam. You’re the one who is afraid, as you have already surrendered your freedom of speech to Islam.

            Like said, Muslims do not have to be violent to be a threat. They just need to keep using the freedoms of the West against the West, and have use people like you. If all non-Muslims were like you, they would certainly win this war.

  17. Michael C
    April 21, 2012 at 5:38 am

    Q. “I have a Christian friend whom I love very much…. Now he is very sick; does Islam allow me to pray to Allaah to heal him?”
    A. ”. it is haraam [forbidden] to take the kaafirs as close friends and to love them. …..loving a kaafir is a serious matter, because it goes against one of the most important principles of Tawheed, which is loving and being loyal towards the believers, and disavowing and rejecting the disbelievers.”
    Islam Question & Answer, Shaykh Muhammads Al-Munajjid

  18. Angie
    April 21, 2012 at 5:57 am

    I don’t have to prove anything since I don’t follow it but side by side comparisons of both text leave the bible wanting quite a bit in both historical commentary and clashing with modern science. For those who take the time to read without the cherry picking for out of context tidbits (which of course you can dish out but can’t take, which leaves me wondering why a people who are supposed to be able to be fair ie pick the plank out of your eye before digging motes out of others and the one about casting the first stone… are unable to maintain a balance between sincere criticism based on a complete analysis and their need to discredit 2.3 billion people… Seems to me that you are more afraid that people will take too close a look and like what they see..)

    And WOW you want to condemn Muslims for coming to this country to take advantage of the freedoms we have here.. That’s the whole point anyone comes here. It really seems to me like this whole forum is just a place for Christians to pout and cry that they have lost credibility over the years and if this is the way you behave then its no wonder. Whats next if the Muslims all leave Boohoo the Hindus and the atheists are mean to us so we’ll slander them too… God no wonder so many people are running away from the church. Enjoy your hate fest, just like all other types of Prejudice that Christians have promoted over the years.. this too will pass.. This western way of life is more “corrupting” than any other I’ve lived in and I can forsee most of them will either lose their kids to the “good life” or apathy anyway. Have you walked around a public school lately? Its scary how self destructive everyone kids have become!! You can see it in their own countries and the children born here. I would be more concerned about keeping your own kids out of trouble, I know that what keeps me up at night not Muslims lol… It also occurred to me that one of the reasons that Muslims are so “pushy” is because of people like you.. Same as the gay community (I hope they don’t take the comparison personally) the more people outside their communities persecute them the stronger they get.. I believe that’s how Christians also survived and triumphed over the Roman persecution… Sad how those who suffer from persecution often turnaround and persecute others when they have the power to do so…(I won’t point out YOUR church history as I’m sure you are already aware that the church has very little to be proud of. History talks volumes.. So maybe you do have something to worry about.. Keep poking them and you will make them stronger, at least it seems you are making the deviant elements among them stronger and depriving the regular joes a voice, sounds productive to me lol. Anyway I have better things to do than waste my time typing to the blind and daft.

    • admin
      April 21, 2012 at 9:35 am

      In other words you cannot prove me wrong, and you are clearly afraid to criticize Islam. How about you stop with the empty talking points, and prove I took the verses out of context? I never said you took the Bible quotes out of context, I said they are stories of those times. So stick to what I said.

      My criticism of Islam is sincere, and there are not over 2 billion Muslims. Muslims are taking over more and more land, and pointing that out is not a “need to discredit”. It is called standing up for life as I know it.

      If they are honest with themselves, they will see child marriages and rape. The call for dominance over non-Muslims. Like I said, you support those actions. You need serious help.

      Yes, I condemn Muslims for selfish expecting America to suit Islam. You obviously support the Sharia campaign. Hindus are not on a worldwide jihad, so your comparison is invalid. What should I like about Islam?

      I am not religious, and Churches should be proud of their worldwide charities for one thing. This will not pass, because the campaign to stop Islam from taking over America is just getting started. I never said the West is perfect, but it is certainly better than Islam.

      Not confronting Islam has not worked for 1400 years, and the “average Joes” are not coming to the rescue. Islam calls for perpetual war, so you making them the victim is just a wishful fantasy of yours.

      I am not blind, I clearly see what Muslim immigration does to the host culture and people. I.E., the Coptics and Persians. Now it is happening across the West.

      You laughing and smiling, showS you are too immature to face the issue. You are a traitor to your own family, and no better than a Jew siding with Nazis.

  19. Angie
    April 21, 2012 at 9:30 pm

    I am laughing because you are impossibly silly and incredibly paranoid. I could spend hours debating and proving you wrong on every single thing.. such as the claim that Mohammed was a pedophile… If you actually take all into consideration, if you read ALL the hadiths in regarding this you would know that Abu bakr asked him to marry Aisha twice. The first time mohammed refused and that was the end of it for a while. The second time when she was a bit older he finally accepted and a betrothal was performed. It is a general understanding that any betrothal of prepubescent children both male and female is not complete until after puberty.. even among the Hindus who still practice early betrothal and up until not that long ago it was quite common in Europe and even the America’s. If you want to condemn Mohammed for this then you will have to condemn about 45-75% of British noble families since the middle ages and possibly earlier. Another point is that IF this had been unusual then the Jewish and Pagan tribes would have had a hay day with it but since this was extremely normal for all faiths and ethnic groups no one even batted an eye!! Finally IF Mohammed was a rampant pedophile as you would like to maintain then why, oh why was he faithfully married to his first wife (who was significantly older than he was) until her death and only then did he marry again. Nearly all his marriages were political in nature or to widows. If he had a taste for young flesh then why did he not have a harem of little girls?
    I suppose you do have a point about foreign immigration to host cultures though.. When we Europeans came here we completely wiped out the host culture.
    I suppose it really is too much to expect you to do research into Islamic history as you are really only interested in finding a tidbit here and there that proves your point. I actually find it extremely annoying to have to defend a faith I don’t even like (the people are amazing but the faith is so bloody tedious) because I am incredulous that in this day and age you can’t stick to the facts and not have to resort to twisting translations, mixing the traditions of the orthodox and different madhabs to fit your prejudice!! For gods sake you take words from a Shiite cleric and pass it off as if all Muslims pay him any mind when only about 20% of Muslims belong to that sect and even among them not everyone follows him. Maybe you are not aware that Shiite follow their Imams the way Catholics (very dangerous situation since Imams are only human and make big mistakes) follow the pope and the Sunni Muslims have no leader at all but will correct even their own Imam if they find him making mistakes and you will find that no 2 Sunnis will agree on very much at all unless someone from outside comes to argue with them then they all find common ground for a while.(somewhat like British Pentecostals). Having spent about 8 years teaching ESL in Egypt, Jordan and even a 1 year stint in Gaza, while researching for a paper, I had the chance to observe it well. If my parents get well enough for me to travel again I should be so lucky to be able to put my younger kids in the schools over there but they will need seriously tutoring to make the grade. My oldest was about 16 when I came back and she was nearly 3 years ahead of kids here…
    Your last statement is rather creepy, while I find you amusing its not in a laughing smiling way but a wry shaking my head kind of way.. If I was a traitor to my family I wouldn’t be back home cooking their food and giving them their showers. The only people who betrayed my parents are the Christians who forgot about them as soon as they got too ill to keep working in the church. In all the time I’ve been here not one of them even rang the door bell or picked up the phone. That would NEVER happen in any eastern country, where neighbor’s give a damn about each other..

    Go pick up a real history book, try one on Al Andulas before and after the Spanish Inquisition. Read some of the accounts of Saladin’s behavior in contrast to how the crusaders treated even their fellow Christians who were living in the the middle east. How he treated the Maltese. Read them not to change your mind about Muslims today but just get a bit of perspective. I am seriously done arguing with you, I finished my masters years ago and really don’t want to have to delve back into all the old research again to prove anything to anyone… I like Muslims (who aren’t trying to convert me) I like Jews (who really don’t bother trying to convert anyone) I even like Christians (who aren’t behaving like spoiled brats), Hindus are fun (because they celebrate EVERYTHING) I even don’t mind Jehovah’s witnesses (because they are so easy to fluster and then they run away)
    I guess you really don’t like anyone, what a lonely boring life!!! I’m not going to bother coming back to read whatever drivel you decide to throw up on this page, its getting more boring than a harlequin novel with even less substance. Good luck with your hate mongering…

    • admin
      April 22, 2012 at 7:13 am

      Sharia is clearly creeping into the West, and Muslims across the West are preaching for Sharia. So there goes your paranoid claim. Abu Bakr was sick for asking him to marry her, and you are sick for trying to justify him asking. Mohammad also married what was his daughter-in-law, and raped sex slaves. That makes him a sick pervert.

      Islam still allows child marriages, and I do not see you having the moral courage to condemn that fact. That makes you a pedophile supporter.

      Like I said, I never claimed the West was perfect, but nothing in its past history is going to excuse was Muslims are doing TODAY.

      Shiite or Sunni, they both know that Islam is to dominate non-Muslims. That is what matters.

      Saladin was a conquerer who spread Islam, that makes him part of the problem.

      Considering you have not refuted a thing, your degree adds up to nothing. I have perspective, there is a serious problem today with Muslims/Islam in the West, and unlike you I am going to take a stand for my future generations.

      The last time you said I had taken verses out of context, this time you claimed they were “twisted translations”. Yet you offered no proof. If you come back and do not prove you claims on your in your next comment, you are done here. I have spent enough time on a clear coward and traitor to the West.

    • eib
      April 22, 2012 at 12:16 pm

      I am laughing because you are impossibly silly and incredibly paranoid.

      Islam is profane.
      Mohammed is a false prophet.
      Allah is a spirit of the world.
      The Koran is a pack of lies.
      You are what you worship.
      Since you favor the life and acts of a 7th century rapist-thug, then you will certainly become a rapist-thug.
      You are a cunning predator– an agent of the devil.
      There is nothing of God in Islam.
      You rejected the Son of God. There is no sin blacker than to see the truth and reject it.

    • eib
      April 22, 2012 at 12:17 pm

      You come here, but not to faithfreedom.

  20. Michael C
    April 22, 2012 at 12:14 am

    $100,000 cash reward awaits anyone who can meet Ali Sina`s challenge by disproving his charges against Mohammed.

    The reward used to be $50,000.

    Sina has doubled it.

  21. Michael C
    April 22, 2012 at 12:40 am

    Full website address (apologies for omission):

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